klamm.us

[BurtW]

I suggest everyone go visit klamm.us and slam them with bogus orders because they are spamming this forum.

[1714595863]

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[Maged]

Not to do anything illegal, but if you are capable of, say, having multiple "orders" come from all over the world in a distributed manner...

I didn't say anything, though.

[Matthew N. Wright]

[organofcorti]

Oh, how I lol'd!

You should have a youtube channel Matthew. That's priceless. 

[Kluge]

Their site doesn't appear to have any DDoS protection.

[BurtW]

Wish I still had my botnet up and running.

[Matthew N. Wright]

Oh, how I lol'd!

You should have a youtube channel Matthew. That's priceless. 

I actually have several youtube channels of weirdness.

http://www.youtube.com/BitTalkTV
http://www.youtube.com/matthewnealwright
http://www.youtube.com/AmericanIdiotKR

[organofcorti]

Usually there's nothing on Thursday nights, apart from South Park. I'm glad to see I have a full nights' viewing ahead of me.

(it's Thursday here, in case that didn't make sense. It's actually next Thursday here. Anyone want lottery results?)

[Matthew N. Wright]

Usually there's nothing on Thursday nights, apart from South Park. I'm glad to see I have a full nights' viewing ahead of me.

(it's Thursday here, in case that didn't make sense. It's actually next Thursday here. Anyone want lottery results?)

It's Thursday here in South Korea too. Where abouts are you?

[organofcorti]

Usually there's nothing on Thursday nights, apart from South Park. I'm glad to see I have a full nights' viewing ahead of me.

(it's Thursday here, in case that didn't make sense. It's actually next Thursday here. Anyone want lottery results?)

It's Thursday here in South Korea too. Where abouts are you?

I'm ahead of you buddy - an hour ahead to be precise. One hour, one hemisphere and 8000 - odd kilometers away, to be a bit more precise.

[cliffbtc]

I just tried a transaction on site for 11.99 while I was talking to customer service. Figured it was a scam but I would test it out to verify to the forums. I did not receive Bitcoin and soon as I processed payment the customer service rep was gone.  

I will take donations for time and money lost here: 13turQyXa7zjimyuev5swBZCmJbR5GJ27J  

[Matthew N. Wright]

I just tried a transaction on site for 11.99 while I was talking to customer service. Figured it was a scam but I would test it out to verify to the forums. I did not receive Bitcoin and soon as I processed payment the customer service rep was gone.  

I will take donations for time and money lost here: 13turQyXa7zjimyuev5swBZCmJbR5GJ27J  

Oh hush. Just reverse the paypal.

[cliffbtc]

I just tried a transaction on site for 11.99 while I was talking to customer service. Figured it was a scam but I would test it out to verify to the forums. I did not receive Bitcoin and soon as I processed payment the customer service rep was gone.  

I will take donations for time and money lost here: 13turQyXa7zjimyuev5swBZCmJbR5GJ27J  

Oh hush. Just reverse the paypal.

Going to, doubt it will work though.

[Matthew N. Wright]

I just tried a transaction on site for 11.99 while I was talking to customer service. Figured it was a scam but I would test it out to verify to the forums. I did not receive Bitcoin and soon as I processed payment the customer service rep was gone.  

I will take donations for time and money lost here: 13turQyXa7zjimyuev5swBZCmJbR5GJ27J  

Oh hush. Just reverse the paypal.

Going to, doubt it will work though.

Tell them the seller was trying to sell Bitcoins. That always seems to work if you not only want a refund but the owner's account banned as well.

[cliffbtc]

Sent, Will post any updates tomorrow.

[Foxpup]

Matt, I got further than you did when it came to the question of why they need to sell fast. Apparently they need to sell fast at any price in order to pay their employee's salaries. They got angry when I pointed out that the only way this makes sense is if the company is completely broke (they can't sell their mining rigs either, for reasons which they refused to explain, so we'll just have to draw our own conclusions on that point). They said I can't judge their business methods because "every one can not judge who is wrong or not,cuz everyone nog god". Then I told them I was an atheist and they apparently didn't believe me:

21:17:10
i think you are not,cuz you can not belive all the things,just thinking about one way is right
21:17:41
you don't know running and make dreams come true may have more ways to through it

The conversation ended shortly thereafter. I guess you have to be a beliver to buy bitcoins from them.



Except klamm, obviously.

[Matthew N. Wright]

Matt, I got further than you did when it came to the question of why they need to sell fast.

I'll keep trying. I bet I can get them to give a different made-up excuse to their stolen linode coins if I keep bothering them enough.

[organofcorti]

Matt, I got further than you did when it came to the question of why they need to sell fast.

I'll keep trying. I bet I can get them to give a different made-up excuse to their stolen linode coins if I keep bothering them enough.

You reckon they're even sending coins to the people paying for them?

[Matthew N. Wright]

Matt, I got further than you did when it came to the question of why they need to sell fast.

I'll keep trying. I bet I can get them to give a different made-up excuse to their stolen linode coins if I keep bothering them enough.

You reckon they're even sending coins to the people paying for them?

So far no evidence of that. Cliffton paid $10 and nothing happened other than support going offline for him. It could be a downright scam but honestly, they would have to be pretty dumb to think that spamming on a forum where people will search for and discuss them is a good place for a massive con without building any trust at all first.

[dollartrader]

I talked with them on live help and they wanted $699.50 for 500 coins. I told him I would give above that rate if he would use escrow. Denied.

I offered to buy his entire supply above his asking rate if he would use escrow. Denied.

Also was offended when I suggested things sounded "scammy"

sorry.for secure reason,we recieved order and arrange transfer you should make order first

sorry,it's out of our policy,we are not personal trade,we are company,so,and we are not confirm who is esrow,who can trustworth of the agency

so our policy is make order first,we will arrange transfer

[rjk]

What scum. Someone needs to perform some kind of resource exhaustion attack so they get booted off their VPS.

[Matthew N. Wright]

I talked with them on live help and they wanted $699.50 for 500 coins. I told him I would give above that rate if he would use escrow. Denied.

I offered to buy his entire supply above his asking rate if he would use escrow. Denied.

Also was offended when I suggested things sounded "scammy"

sorry.for secure reason,we recieved order and arrange transfer you should make order first

sorry,it's out of our policy,we are not personal trade,we are company,so,and we are not confirm who is esrow,who can trustworth of the agency

so our policy is make order first,we will arrange transfer

Well, he have point they company they are not personal trade so they policy is out of type sale and confirm not trustworthiness. I agree would problem company and not policy.

[organofcorti]

What scum. I heard someone say that someone needs to perform some kind of resource exhaustion attack so they get booted off their VPS. Allegedly. Please don't sue me.

FTFY

[dollartrader]

I forgot the offended part and for the record my bad word was "scam"

you can chatting without pruchsing,we are welcome,but please don't use bad words to us,thanks

[Nachtwind]

I asked the Support about larger amounts of BTC at their rate. 500, 1000, yeah, up to 2500 wouldnt be a problem.. at 2500 i would only have to pay 3000$ for it..


Love those rates... must be totally honest salesmanship

*edit* bought 5 via PP... lets see what happens...

[bulanula]

Wish I still had my botnet up and running.

Very reassuring to see some of the "big" people in BTC and their backgrounds ...

[organofcorti]

I asked the Support about larger amounts of BTC at their rate. 500, 1000, yeah, up to 2500 wouldnt be a problem.. at 2500 i would only have to pay 3000$ for it..


Love those rates... must be totally honest salesmanship

*edit* bought 5 via PP... lets see what happens...

You should probably get started on arranging a chargeback now to save time.

[Nachtwind]

Going to annoy their support now a bit.. its been 20min since i bought them and they promised delivery within 5min...

But i got the page for the chargeback open already ;0)

[dollartrader]

I guess his plan is that some people will not charge back before his PP account is closed? Should be good for a burger or two..

[Raoul Duke]

He's back, spamming the hell out of the german forum.

theymos should really lock the foreign language forums with a newbie jail also.

[Nachtwind]

It was already spammed today morning..

Strangely support is no longer answering... *sigh* guess i have to do a chargeback..

[BurtW]

Wish I still had my botnet up and running.

Very reassuring to see some of the "big" people in BTC and their backgrounds ...

Joke.

[Raoul Duke]

It was already spammed today morning..

Strangely support is no longer answering... *sigh* guess i have to do a chargeback..

He will spend all day doing this. Also, the 20 seconds wait between each report to moderator doesn't help.
All he needs is some newb to go there and fall for it to make it worth his time.

I would also send a complaint to the abuse email of their hosting.

[bulanula]

Wish I still had my botnet up and running.

Very reassuring to see some of the "big" people in BTC and their backgrounds ...

Joke.

I am sure it was

Do you guys have evidence that guy is selling Linode coins

[rjk]

Wish I still had my botnet up and running.

Very reassuring to see some of the "big" people in BTC and their backgrounds ...

Joke.

I am sure it was

Do you guys have evidence that guy is selling Linode coins

He isn't selling any coins at all.

[BadBear]

He's back, spamming the hell out of the german forum.

theymos should really lock the foreign language forums with a newbie jail also.

Back? He was never gone, you just happened to see one I hadn't gotten to yet.

[BurtW]

Let's try this:  Has anyone gotten any coins of any kind from these guys?

[Raoul Duke]

He's back, spamming the hell out of the german forum.

theymos should really lock the foreign language forums with a newbie jail also.

Back? He was never gone, you just happened to see one I hadn't got to yet.

I didn't see that one: I saw all of the 10 or 12 posts appearing on the list of new threads while they were being made.  And reported them ofcourse.
First on the German forum, then on to the Spanish one lol

[rjk]

He's back, spamming the hell out of the german forum.

theymos should really lock the foreign language forums with a newbie jail also.

Back? He was never gone, you just happened to see that one before I got to him.  

Even if thymos doesn't want to hand you a perma-banhammer, I would support a software change in the forum that allows global mods to temporarily ban a user (for an hour or so).

[BurtW]

I expect they are banning his accounts as fast as he is creating them.

[cliffbtc]

Never received my coins or Response from customer service. It also seems that my IP was blocked from their live chat program. I was told transfer would take no longer than 5 min.  If you want to check blockchain I was going to have 5 btc sent to a virgin address at 1PZkR9xLb9pqmJXYt6n2GhPVfaQTULDNiU  as you can see there has never been any transfers to that wallet address, I figured this would happen but 11.99 was not much to lose to prove a scam to the community.

[rjk]

Never received my coins or Response from customer service. It also seems that my IP was blocked from their live chat program. I was told transfer would take no longer than 5 min.  If you want to check blockchain I was going to have 5 btc sent to a virgin address at 1PZkR9xLb9pqmJXYt6n2GhPVfaQTULDNiU  as you can see there has never been any transfers to that wallet address, I figured this would happen but 11.99 was not much to lose to prove a scam to the community.

Log in to paypal and file a dispute against them. The more people that do this, the faster that they get shut down.

[cliffbtc]

Never received my coins or Response from customer service. It also seems that my IP was blocked from their live chat program. I was told transfer would take no longer than 5 min.  If you want to check blockchain I was going to have 5 btc sent to a virgin address at 1PZkR9xLb9pqmJXYt6n2GhPVfaQTULDNiU  as you can see there has never been any transfers to that wallet address, I figured this would happen but 11.99 was not much to lose to prove a scam to the community.

Log in to paypal and file a dispute against them. The more people that do this, the faster that they get shut down.

It was my brothers pay pal and he has already sent to transfer transaction.

[BadBear]

Even if thymos doesn't want to hand you a perma-banhammer, I would support a software change in the forum that allows global mods to temporarily ban a user (for an hour or so).

Something needs to be done, cause wasting a bunch of my time deleting spam posts and being annoyed isn't very productive.

[BadBear]

Even if thymos doesn't want to hand you a perma-banhammer, I would support a software change in the forum that allows global mods to temporarily ban a user (for an hour or so).

Something needs to be done, cause wasting a bunch of my time deleting spam posts and being annoyed isn't very productive.

hmm... sadly it seems people are giving him money so it wont end. crazy

I was just thinking the same thing, just proves to him it does work.

[Nachtwind]

Same here.. i "bought" 5BTC for address 1KDozfceJ2QqoNiG95NxWjBKYK8fFwBVj6

So far nothing happened and the support is unresponve.


...chargeback started.

*edit* That was swift. Response from the seller to my chargeback:

"Online game account"


ok! 0o

[Raoul Duke]

Same here.. i "bought" 5BTC for address 1KDozfceJ2QqoNiG95NxWjBKYK8fFwBVj6

So far nothing happened and the support is unresponve.


...chargeback started.

And now you will wait 20 days for his non response to the chargeback and only then Paypal will look at it and probably, probably, give you your money back.

Congratulations, you just managed to get your funds on a limbo for at least 1 month

EDIT: That was fast. Escalate to Paypal resolution right away. Or else you're doomed.
Be sure to mention bitcoins to paypal. <--- This could get your account frozen also, be advised

[Nachtwind]

Same here.. i "bought" 5BTC for address 1KDozfceJ2QqoNiG95NxWjBKYK8fFwBVj6

So far nothing happened and the support is unresponve.


...chargeback started.

good luck

Thanks

But i guess $12 is not tooo much if it comes to fight a scammer.. aynway i take donations to make up for my loss: 1GSDBjLNAvrWy7htB2H8SLMe4VhuXhrjxb


;0)

[Nachtwind]

I am not exactly scammed when i know what i am doing, am i? Also that smile implies a joke ;0)

But thats the point.. i suppose a lot of people hold their tongue when seeing those nice prices. Even more important to get his account frozen asap..

[MrTeal]

I wish Paypal worked more like BTC - I would love to see how much money is flowing into that guy's PP account from this scam.

[BurtW]

for every dumb-ass scammed and begs for donations i bet there are 20 who hold their tong.

Is tong slang for penis?

[Matthew N. Wright]

Same here.. i "bought" 5BTC for address 1KDozfceJ2QqoNiG95NxWjBKYK8fFwBVj6

So far nothing happened and the support is unresponve.


...chargeback started.

*edit* That was swift. Response from the seller to my chargeback:

"Online game account"


ok! 0o

As I mentioned to Cliffton, you need to mention to Paypal (call them and ask for "resolutions" directly) that they are selling an illegal electronic currency which you have learned is against Paypal's TOS. Tell them that you didn't realize that it was against TOS at the time, and that when you bought it, they stopped communicating with you. Post their website, screen shots, receipt etc into the proof section. Within a week, their paypal accounts will be locked down.

Problem solved.

[Nachtwind]

Same here.. i "bought" 5BTC for address 1KDozfceJ2QqoNiG95NxWjBKYK8fFwBVj6

So far nothing happened and the support is unresponve.


...chargeback started.

*edit* That was swift. Response from the seller to my chargeback:

"Online game account"


ok! 0o

As I mentioned to Cliffton, you need to mention to Paypal (call them and ask for "resolutions" directly) that they are selling an illegal electronic currency which you have learned is against Paypal's TOS. Tell them that you didn't realize that it was against TOS at the time, and that when you bought it, they stopped communicating with you. Post their website, screen shots, receipt etc into the proof section. Within a week, their paypal accounts will be locked down.

Problem solved.

Done that already. Not my first chargeback on Paypal (though the first involving BTC..) and normally the one who is charging back is the winner..

[Raoul Duke]

A German dude was already scammed. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80484.0

He close the first chargeback, so no way for him to get the money back on that one, and they were trying to convince him to close the 2nd chargeback also. lol

There you have their modus operandi...

[cliffbtc]

Same here.. i "bought" 5BTC for address 1KDozfceJ2QqoNiG95NxWjBKYK8fFwBVj6

So far nothing happened and the support is unresponve.


...chargeback started.

*edit* That was swift. Response from the seller to my chargeback:

"Online game account"


ok! 0o

Let me know how charge back goes.

[Matthew N. Wright]

A German dude was already scammed. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80484.0

He close the first chargeback, so no way for him to get the money back on that one, and they were trying to convince him to close the 2nd chargeback also. lol

There you have their modus operandi...

Oldest trick in the books: cancel the reversal and they won't be able to file again (or at least that's how it's -supposed- to work).

[Raoul Duke]

Going to take 1 hr later to train my Human Emulation bot and spam the hell out of them. Going to fill their shopping cart with unfinished orders using 5 threads at least. It will be funny

And I'll make sure to leave a ransom bitcoin address there. If they want the spam to stop they better pay up. In Bitcoin

[John (John K.)]

They have been scamming all across the web -  see http://www.klamm.de/forum/f2/klamm-us-390521.html and Google. 

[Nachtwind]

Wow, i was just told by Paypal - after asking - that although there was a flood of chargebacks they wont charge back anything related to Bitcoins or Virtual Goods at all...

Wonder if that telephone guy is right or not.. chargeback still pending

[BadBear]

He's confused or misinformed, they definitely do.

[Raoul Duke]

Wow, i was just told by Paypal - after asking - that although there was a flood of chargebacks they wont charge back anything related to Bitcoins or Virtual Goods at all...

Wonder if that telephone guy is right or not.. chargeback still pending

I would ask that on a written form and signed by Paypal managers... And then proceed to sell Bitcoins without fearing chargebacks lol

[Nachtwind]

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wir haben unsere Untersuchung abgeschlossen
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Guten Tag, xxxxxxxx!

Es geht um die folgende Transaktion:

Bearbeitungsnummer:  PP-001-777-658-728
Transaktionsdatum:  10. Mai 2012
Transaktionsbetrag:  -$11,99 USD
E-Mail-Adresse des Verkäufers:  webepayee@live.com
Name des Verkäufers:  Xiao Chen

Wir können diese Beschwerde leider nicht für Sie untersuchen, da wir
Beschwerden bei digitaler oder virtueller Ware sowie für Artikel, die gegen
unsere Nutzungsrichtlinie verstoßen, nicht bearbeiten.

Dennoch speichern wir natürlich diese Informationen. Sollten wir vermehrt
ähnliche Beschwerden über Ihren Verkäufer erhalten, leiten wir
entsprechende Schritte ein. Denn: Wir wollen Sie als Käufer schützen - auch
beim Kauf von immaterieller Ware.

Bitte antworten Sie nicht auf diese E-Mail. Bei weiteren Fragen erreichen
Sie uns über den Link "Kontakt" auf jeder PayPal-Seite.


Viele Grüße
xxxxx
PayPal-Kundenservice

Translated shortly:

Hi Mr Nachtwind,
We wont investigate this case since you bought virtual good. In case the of further chargebacks against the seller we reserve the right to investigate the case again.




---------------------------
So here is the written confirmation that chargebacks in case of Bitcoins dont apply. Yay.. There go my nice $12 :0(

[the joint]

Matt, I got further than you did when it came to the question of why they need to sell fast. Apparently they need to sell fast at any price in order to pay their employee's salaries. They got angry when I pointed out that the only way this makes sense is if the company is completely broke (they can't sell their mining rigs either, for reasons which they refused to explain, so we'll just have to draw our own conclusions on that point). They said I can't judge their business methods because "every one can not judge who is wrong or not,cuz everyone nog god". Then I told them I was an atheist and they apparently didn't believe me:

21:17:10
i think you are not,cuz you can not belive all the things,just thinking about one way is right
21:17:41
you don't know running and make dreams come true may have more ways to through it

The conversation ended shortly thereafter. I guess you have to be a beliver to buy bitcoins from them.



Except klamm, obviously.

LMFAO

Funniest fucking post I've ever seen.

[malevolent]

The asshole is running opencart 1521 and (probably) PHP 5.2.17, I have to study now, so if you have time check out this:

http://www.waraxe.us/advisory-84.html

managed to get his pwd reset only so far

[rjk]

These scammers are still up and running? Has anyone actually gotten anything from them, bitcoins or otherwise?

[Matthew N. Wright]

These scammers are still up and running? Has anyone actually gotten anything from them, bitcoins or otherwise?

I haven't seen anything.

[John (John K.)]

And they're back just now. Got deleted fast by the mods, thank goodness. We need them to be perma-banned, IP or otherwise.

[rjk]

We need them to be perma-banned, IP or otherwise.

I'm pretty sure they are all over that. Heard of a proxy before?

[John (John K.)]

We need them to be perma-banned, IP or otherwise.

I'm pretty sure they are all over that. Heard of a proxy before?

And here I thought that bitcointalk already bans most TOR out nodes. 

[rjk]

We need them to be perma-banned, IP or otherwise.

I'm pretty sure they are all over that. Heard of a proxy before?

And here I thought that bitcointalk already bans most TOR out nodes. 

Tor isn't the only proxy... also (apparently) Tor is only disallowed for signups, not regular access.

[John (John K.)]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=82363.msg907638#msg907638

And he's back. They're like roaches apparently. 

We need them to be perma-banned, IP or otherwise.

I'm pretty sure they are all over that. Heard of a proxy before?

And here I thought that bitcointalk already bans most TOR out nodes. 

Tor isn't the only proxy... also (apparently) Tor is only disallowed for signups, not regular access.

Guess we need a more stringent system now then. 

[tysat]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=82363.msg907638#msg907638

And he's back. They're like roaches apparently. 

We need them to be perma-banned, IP or otherwise.

I'm pretty sure they are all over that. Heard of a proxy before?

And here I thought that bitcointalk already bans most TOR out nodes. 

Tor isn't the only proxy... also (apparently) Tor is only disallowed for signups, not regular access.

Guess we need a more stringent system now then. 

I nuked that account earlier.  As long as it's reported, it shouldn't take too long for a mod to see it and kill the spam account.

[theymos]

They have a wide selection of IPs, though they're not using open proxies. IPs seen so far:
50.117.117.23
70.154.161.78
67.60.233.57
1.234.7.147
70.89.136.52
1.234.45.44
211.175.36.125
218.234.17.238
50.117.117.25
50.117.117.45
183.96.230.24
126.15.1.93
116.213.132.18
1.249.123.196
123.153.69.201
175.210.203.179
112.216.145.91
221.145.226.7
59.58.148.9
125.141.224.71
112.217.232.118
59.60.127.241
101.66.61.191
118.32.191.162
118.46.219.200
180.67.207.50
59.58.151.34
117.52.82.63
218.38.13.37

[John (John K.)]

And he's back:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=58397

[tysat]

And he's back:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=58397

Posting that here isn't too likely to do anything.  All you need to do is report the post and the guy should be banned and have his posts deleted quick enough.

[Bitcoin Oz]

for every dumb-ass scammed and begs for donations i bet there are 20 who hold their tong.

Is tong slang for penis?

no, its thai for penis

Zhou Tong