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Update 26-Sep-2012: RustyRyan appears to be in default.
Update 28-Aug-2012: Added RustyRyan.  The rating is lower than some of the others because he is new and has a small deposit business, but this will improve over time.
Update 30-Aug-2012: Added vescudero.
Update 2-Sep-2012: Initial credit rating for Namworld and BTC-Bond added.

Disclaimers:
1: This OP is being updated as there are a large number of changes taking place with rates this month (August).
2: all reasonable care has been taken to extract valid information and present it fairly.  Issuers or eagle-eyed users can either post at the bottom of this thread or pm me to advise changes/corrections.  Being listed here is not an endorsement and depositors are expected to undertake their own due diligence before entrusting their coins with someone.

Deposit Takers
   User_name      Weekly      Monthly      Since      Credit Rating      Notes      Link   
   RustyRyan   3.00%      -      28-Jul-12      A-      10 coin/4 week minimum, weekly payout      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=96163.0   
   smart/ziggy      -      11.1%      May-11      AA-      Bank book          https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81357.0   
   vescudero      1.50%      -      Jun-12      AA-      weekly payments, deposits up to 50BTC      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89122.0   
   Chungenhung      1.36%      6.0%      Jan-12      AA      50 coin minimum      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56853.0   
   Kluge      0.97%      4.25%      Mar-12      AAA      32 day deposit      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67446.0   

New Deposit Takers
   User_name      Weekly      Monthly      Since      Credit Rating      Notes      Link   


GLBSE fixed interest instruments  Information currently out of date - being updated 17-Aug-2012
   __Issuer__      __Instrument__      Weekly      5-day price      Issued Volume      Verified   Notes      Link   
   Teek      TEEK.B      3.00%       0.0871        2,000       No   Fixed interest , not guaranteed      https://glbse.com/asset/view/TEEK.B   
   ChaangNoi      TYGRR.BOND-B      2.00%       0.0990        40,000       No   GLBSE has "blank" contract      https://glbse.com/asset/view/TYGRR.BOND-B   
   Teek      TEEK.A      0.30%       0.9440        10,000       No   Guaranteed      https://glbse.com/asset/view/TEEK.A   
   Namworld      BTC-Bond      0.50%       0.0100        12,400       Yes   Fixed interest - C.R. "A-"      https://glbse.com/asset/view/BTC-BOND   


Other semi-fixed interest instruments

   __Issuer__      __Instrument__      Weekly      Notes      Link   


For an excellent table of GLBSE returns/yields, please refer to stochastic's thread in "securities" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74711.0


Credit Rating Data
Please note the date on these ratings is quite old - you should make inquiries if they are still applicable as most of these people have significantly changed their businesses in the last two month.
.   .   Liabilities /   Business transaprancy   Liabilities /   Current_liabilities /   Business Size   Business Size   Time in    Weighted   .   .      
Who   __When__   monthly income   Assessment   Assets   Liquid_Assets   Funds managed   Customers   "business"    Score   Modifiers   Overall      
chungenhung   13-Aug-12   2.00   .   25.0%   80.0%   16000   20   8   .   +0   .      
Rating    Scores   6   .   6   5   6   2   5   5   .   AA      
Smart/ZiggyStar   13-Jul-12   11.60   Trading/opaque   70.2%   67.5%   8258   20?40   12   .   +2         
Rating    Scores   3   2   5   5   5   2   6   4.0   +2   AA-      
Ineedausername   22-Jul-12   1.08   .   18.2%   18.6%   35640   .   8   .   +1   .      
Rating    Scores   6   .   6   6   6   .   5   5.8   +1   AA+      
Kluge   22-Jul-12   7.12   .   45.0%   20.4%   8996   .   7   .   +3   .      
Rating    Scores   4   .   6   6   5   .   5   5.2   +3   AAA      
RustyRyan   29-Jul-12   1.17   Mining/loans   11.3%   3.8%   350   15   1   .   +2   .      
Rating    Scores   6   3   6   6   1   1   0   3.29   +2   A-      
vescudero   29-Jul-12   3.02   Opaque   20.7%   36.0%   2550   83   2   .   +2   .      
Rating    Scores   5   2   6   6   4   4   1   4   -   AA-      
BTC-Bond   02-Sep-12   0.43   Holdings disclosed   2.2%   0.3%   32   3.2   1   .   +2   .      
Rating    Scores   6   5   6   6   0   0   0   3   +2   A-      


Also reference https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81542.msg1100627#msg1100627 for some general guidance.
Notes: Some deposit takers use 30-days rather than one month.  The calculation convert weekly to monthly by [(1+r)^(52/12)-1] and similarly, monthly rates are converted back to weekly.
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thanks for that Smiley
I was actually looking for all this info today

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You could add Gamma Bitcoin Fund,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74975.0
And use the average profit to calculate the interest rate Smiley
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You could add Gamma Bitcoin Fund,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74975.0
And use the average profit to calculate the interest rate Smiley
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The initial intention was for straight deposit taking services providing a fixed return.  GBF is more an investment fund and as you note, returns are different each week, but I've had a request to look at GLBSE bonds too (like BDK paying 1%/wk) and I could add Leandro's fund from Brazil which I quite like.  It will take a bit of time to collate.
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You could add Gamma Bitcoin Fund,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74975.0
And use the average profit to calculate the interest rate Smiley
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The initial intention was for straight deposit taking services providing a fixed return.  GBF is more an investment fund and as you note, returns are different each week, but I've had a request to look at GLBSE bonds too (like BDK paying 1%/wk) and I could add Leandro's fund from Brazil which I quite like.  It will take a bit of time to collate.
Okay, it would be great if you could add GBF, if you need any info that's not already public then just ask Smiley I would be more then happy to help you out!
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I'm actually not taking deposits currently..... I am 100% Debt-free/Deposit-Free at the moment.

Too busy trying to get my farm re-worked with all new hardware.

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*edit* nvm. I can't read =)

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Thanks for putting this together, Patrick.

I am planning to deposit 100+ BTC with someone in the next few months, so this is helpful.

It's hard to know who to go for - the higher rates obviously come with increased risks. I guess the best option is to spread the BTC around.

From my limited knowledge so far, I would feel more comfortable going with Patrick. If he offered an increased interest rate for longer-term deposits that would be great.

I'm interested in how difficult it is to get a Pirate referral - would someone give one to a stranger like me, for example?







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Thanks for putting this together, Patrick.

I am planning to deposit 100+ BTC with someone in the next few months, so this is helpful.

It's hard to know who to go for - the higher rates obviously come with increased risks. I guess the best option is to spread the BTC around.

From my limited knowledge so far, I would feel more comfortable going with Patrick. If he offered an increased interest rate for longer-term deposits that would be great.

I'm interested in how difficult it is to get a Pirate referral - would someone give one to a stranger like me, for example?
I would be more then happy to take some of your Bitcoins, you should also support Patrick he is doing good things for the community Smiley
Gamma Bitcoin fund has a average profit of 3.4% per week but recent month we have had a profit of 5-8% per week, we spread out investments between a lot of different investments and markets hence we can keep the risks low and profits high.
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OP.
Not all of mine BTC are with pirate. I have it spreadout to multiple places.
Also, 8% is not my exact rate. It varies depending on each situation.

Trading MtGox USD for Dwolla/ACH deposit/Chase cash deposit
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=90115.0
Buy/Sell Call/Put Bitcoin options https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99853.0
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OP.
Not all of mine BTC are with pirate. I have it spreadout to multiple places.
Also, 8% is not my exact rate. It varies depending on each situation.

Hi Chungenhung, I understand that most people with BS&T exposure probably only have a proportion of funds there, and it's a tricky point building it into the table.  It might be useful to have a rough proportion to include, but I also appreciate that it changes (hence the difficulty constructing it in the first place and estimating the guarantee level which people are becoming more interested in.)

Also, I picked 8% as it seemed to be around the middle of what you were offering and I know you ran 10% for some deposits.  If you have a different value you would like me to use, please let me know.

When I thought of constructing this, I didn't know exactly how it would all come out.  I thought Starfish rates were better, but they are not.  I also suspect there is a market for differentiating deposits between BS&T pass-through and guaranteed or reserve backed products.
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Actually I dont think that it matters where are you putting your funds, It all is about what guaranties you give to people. But in case of pirate it might me interesting to add a percentage of funds which are used for pirate deposits. So those who are 100% will be just passing through, everyone else just tell how they are depending on BS&T and what will happen if it disappears. This could be very interesting info. And by percentage I think that it should be the amount which everyone can get or we could write a range.
PS Pls add info about per week deposits, it starts from 2.5%(and in case of range it`s 12-18% month and 2.5-4% a week)

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For some people it does matter where the money goes, but the guarantees also count, so it is a combination.  A percentage might be too detailed and likely to change too much.

Also, the table is a simple guide, not trying to capture all of the variations everyone has, mainly the better ones - like your 18%/4% special.  That's why I converted into a monthly rate as the base metric.

Based on a set of simple indicators, people can then go and do their detailed decision making.
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Don't forget my Loyalty Rewards Program.   Wink

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Don't forget my Loyalty Rewards Program.   Wink

Maybe I deliberately avoided it - it was complicated when I looked at it last time.  But, yes, nice loyalty rewards.
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Hi Patrick, thanks for this - very useful, how about Smart who has been in operation on the German forum for a while now & recently started to offer on the English one too, no exposure to Pirate & deposited funds are guaranteed
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81357.0

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@Otoh , thanks.

The German Part of the Forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37320.0 .

The interest will chance every Sunday !
It is paid at the time of investment. Automaticly to your User Account.
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I just filled Smart's current availability of 76.67 coins, note that the rates shown on his home page are out of date, click on Savings to see correct current ones (which are those shown in his post above), his interest rates offered change every Sunday but obviously are fixed & locked in once you take out a saving's plan & the interest is added to your account & available to you at the end of the investment period

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I just filled Smart's current availability of 76.67 coins, note that the rates shown on his home page are out of date, click on Savings to see correct current ones (which are those shown in his post above), his interest rates offered change every Sunday but obviously are fixed & locked in once you take out a saving's plan & the interest is added to your account & available to you at the end of the investment period

Thanks, and I have another one to add as well (a newish lender/deposit taker) - will update later today.
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Don't forget my Loyalty Rewards Program.   Wink

Maybe I deliberately avoided it - it was complicated when I looked at it last time.  But, yes, nice loyalty rewards.

I can see how it could be complicated to a guy running a bank.   Tongue

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