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October 12, 2014, 02:05:25 AM
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I urge all of you to buy before the price doubles this month...just a fair warning.

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October 12, 2014, 03:29:36 AM
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I urge all of you to buy before the price doubles this month...just a fair warning.

A little over two hours ago you posted asking what everyone thought the price was going to do next, and now you've got it all figured out?

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October 12, 2014, 03:55:08 AM
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I urge all of you to buy before the price doubles this month...just a fair warning.

A little over two hours ago you posted asking what everyone thought the price was going to do next, and now you've got it all figured out?

Will he is blazen ... Probably just bought some on margin due to the bull whale wall. I'm going to laugh when the wall is pulled and everything starts crashing
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October 12, 2014, 04:28:43 AM
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I urge all of you to buy before the price doubles this month...just a fair warning.

Silly, everyone buying would cause the price to double, at least. And then many would not be able to buy "before", so it's not really a fair warning Wink

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October 12, 2014, 05:03:46 AM
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What make you think the price will be double even in this month ?
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October 12, 2014, 05:11:07 AM
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What make you think the price will be double even in this month ?

There is a general consensus that we are very undervalued right now.  Also, if past behavior predicts future behavior in regards to Bitcoins "bubbles" then we are due for one of them too.  We could even see 3 or 4 times the price it is now.  This happened last November.  The only thing about Bitcoin though is that it is not 100% predictable unfortunately. Wink  However, it is still a really good time to buy I believe.  We shouldn't get much lower than this.   

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October 12, 2014, 05:57:44 AM
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What make you think the price will be double even in this month ?

There is a general consensus that we are very undervalued right now.  Also, if past behavior predicts future behavior in regards to Bitcoins "bubbles" then we are due for one of them too.  We could even see 3 or 4 times the price it is now.  This happened last November.  The only thing about Bitcoin though is that it is not 100% predictable unfortunately. Wink  However, it is still a really good time to buy I believe.  We shouldn't get much lower than this.   

Are you using some technical analysis ? You can't just hope that every year at november it will be a new bubble.
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October 12, 2014, 06:01:40 AM
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What make you think the price will be double even in this month ?

There is a general consensus that we are very undervalued right now.  Also, if past behavior predicts future behavior in regards to Bitcoins "bubbles" then we are due for one of them too.  We could even see 3 or 4 times the price it is now.  This happened last November.  The only thing about Bitcoin though is that it is not 100% predictable unfortunately. Wink  However, it is still a really good time to buy I believe.  We shouldn't get much lower than this.   

Are you using some technical analysis ? You can't just hope that every year at november it will be a new bubble.

I thought I made it clear that we can't just go by past behavior???

At some point we should experience another rise in the future.  I don't have a crystal ball but we are on an "exponential growth" timeline.  The fact that the price has not dipped below $275 and has stayed pretty stable at this new bottom is quite bullish and shows that we are indeed experiencing growth. 


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October 12, 2014, 06:02:42 AM
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What make you think the price will be double even in this month ?

There is a general consensus that we are very undervalued right now.  Also, if past behavior predicts future behavior in regards to Bitcoins "bubbles" then we are due for one of them too.  We could even see 3 or 4 times the price it is now.  This happened last November.  The only thing about Bitcoin though is that it is not 100% predictable unfortunately. Wink  However, it is still a really good time to buy I believe.  We shouldn't get much lower than this.   

Maybe a general consensus among the perma-bulls, but certainly no such consensus if you consider the full spectrum of bitcoin enthusiasts and observers. If past behaviour is any indicator of the trend over the last few months, then the price will recover to a point lower than the previous high, followed by a crash to a lower low. I guess it's quite possible that the price may not get much lower than this, but don't see any indicators pointing to another bubble or massive rally any time soon.
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October 12, 2014, 06:08:19 AM
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What make you think the price will be double even in this month ?

There is a general consensus that we are very undervalued right now.  Also, if past behavior predicts future behavior in regards to Bitcoins "bubbles" then we are due for one of them too.  We could even see 3 or 4 times the price it is now.  This happened last November.  The only thing about Bitcoin though is that it is not 100% predictable unfortunately. Wink  However, it is still a really good time to buy I believe.  We shouldn't get much lower than this.   

Maybe a general consensus among the perma-bulls, but certainly no such consensus if you consider the full spectrum of bitcoin enthusiasts and observers. If past behaviour is any indicator of the trend over the last few months, then the price will recover to a point lower than the previous high, followed by a crash to a lower low. I guess it's quite possible that the price may not get much lower than this, but don't see any indicators pointing to another bubble or massive rally any time soon.

The price has been tested and re-tested.  It would be difficult to go any lower than it already has due to the number of people involved with Bitcoin now.  Sure, there can be some short term manipulation, and there already has be a bit of that.  It was the same last year though.  Many people did not expect a huge rise in price.  In fact, we had already had a bubble in April so it was not expected that there would be a second bubble.  Only when the price started to approach $200 was when the real panic buying ensued. 

I expect that we might have a bumpy ride up to $600 again but when we pass $600 and then $700 that is when the rocket will ignite and it will be pushed up to a new ATH.  Will this be by the end of this year?  That I can't say of course.  But certainly by the next halving in 2016!

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October 12, 2014, 06:13:29 AM
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Who knows when it will happen, only crystal ball knows. We can only hope on the soon bubble.
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October 12, 2014, 06:29:56 AM
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What make you think the price will be double even in this month ?

There is a general consensus that we are very undervalued right now.  Also, if past behavior predicts future behavior in regards to Bitcoins "bubbles" then we are due for one of them too.  We could even see 3 or 4 times the price it is now.  This happened last November.  The only thing about Bitcoin though is that it is not 100% predictable unfortunately. Wink  However, it is still a really good time to buy I believe.  We shouldn't get much lower than this.   

Maybe a general consensus among the perma-bulls, but certainly no such consensus if you consider the full spectrum of bitcoin enthusiasts and observers. If past behaviour is any indicator of the trend over the last few months, then the price will recover to a point lower than the previous high, followed by a crash to a lower low. I guess it's quite possible that the price may not get much lower than this, but don't see any indicators pointing to another bubble or massive rally any time soon.

The price has been tested and re-tested.  It would be difficult to go any lower than it already has due to the number of people involved with Bitcoin now.  Sure, there can be some short term manipulation, and there already has be a bit of that.  It was the same last year though.  Many people did not expect a huge rise in price.  In fact, we had already had a bubble in April so it was not expected that there would be a second bubble.  Only when the price started to approach $200 was when the real panic buying ensued. 

I expect that we might have a bumpy ride up to $600 again but when we pass $600 and then $700 that is when the rocket will ignite and it will be pushed up to a new ATH.  Will this be by the end of this year?  That I can't say of course.  But certainly by the next halving in 2016!

While most of us didn't anticipate last year's meteoric rise, there was a lot of fresh fiat coming onto the exchanges buying btc and the userbase was growing substantially, as well as all the media coverage. Even this forum had many new users flocking to it. I can understand your point that the larger userbase right now is capable of supporting a higher price, but all the factors that were present during last year's bull run seem to be absent right now.

It's impossible to predict where the price will be by the next halving, as that is a very long time away and the fundamentals may very well change drastically by then.
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October 12, 2014, 06:36:01 AM
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October 12, 2014, 06:50:17 AM
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Yeah, BUY NOW to hit my offers
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October 12, 2014, 08:47:10 AM
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The only thing about Bitcoin though is that it is not 100% predictable unfortunately. Wink

More like, 0% predictable. I am still surprised after 4 years, with only two options the price actually has (up or down) how many unexpected combinations bitcoin comes up with Smiley

Since now all rallies are analyzed and we know how long they last and approximately how high they go, I am quite sure that next rally bitcoin is going to pull a stunt to leave everyone scratching their heads.

PS everyone go and watch Rise and Rise of Bitcoin, for some nostalgia about how earlier rallies unfolded and some key people of the bitcoin world, including a smug silly monkey Karpeles. Like, now, really great movie.

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I urge all of you to buy before the price doubles this month...just a fair warning.



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October 12, 2014, 05:47:23 PM
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price is going to jump 50-100 in next 28 days

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October 12, 2014, 07:58:36 PM
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price is going to jump 50-100 in next 28 days

yes and it is also going to go down 50-100 during the same period.  where it ends up no one knows.
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There is a general consensus that we are very undervalued right now. 

The cost of forging a bitcoin is between 100 - 150 usd . anything above this cost is artificial inflation to scam noobs out of their money. if its true what you say and the general consensus is thinking bitcoin is undervaluated , then the general consensus is about to be taken for a ride.
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There is a general consensus that we are very undervalued right now. 

The cost of forging a bitcoin is between 100 - 150 usd . anything above this cost is artificial inflation to scam noobs out of their money. if its true what you say and the general consensus is thinking bitcoin is undervaluated , then the general consensus is about to be taken for a ride.

you clearly have no clue what you're talking about.

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There is a general consensus that we are very undervalued right now. 

The cost of forging a bitcoin is between 100 - 150 usd . anything above this cost is artificial inflation to scam noobs out of their money. if its true what you say and the general consensus is thinking bitcoin is undervaluated , then the general consensus is about to be taken for a ride.

Because some dude on the internet named "im0rtel" says so! And he knows because he's not a noob who would easily part with his money (although he is, technically, a noob and has no money), but at least he's so much smarter than general consensus Smiley He even knows a cost of forging 1 bitcoin, see, he knows where to spend 150$ and buy a magic bitcoin making machine Smiley

Damn noobs.

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October 12, 2014, 08:47:24 PM
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Yeah, BUY NOW to hit my offers

Agree. If people want to make trades. Some needs to buy.
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October 12, 2014, 09:05:34 PM
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that's usually. times have changed.

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October 12, 2014, 09:53:27 PM
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Usually, when everyone say buy you should be cautious. Same thing with "sell".

The good news is that many people are saying "sell" right now or saying it is a bearish market. Wink

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October 13, 2014, 03:03:50 PM
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Price is on its way up to 390...we should see that within 24 hours. It will break 400 before Friday.

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Price is on its way up to 390...we should see that within 24 hours. It will break 400 before Friday.

I think 400 by Friday is a little conservative.  400 in the next 24 hours would be my guess. Hopefully that spurs it on to 500 by Friday but we will see.

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Love your optimism BitChick .....hoping for the same.

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Love your optimism BitChick .....hoping for the same.

When you have seen 50% gains or more in a day or two (as it has in past bubbles) the optimism comes with the understanding that anything is possible with Bitcoin. Wink

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October 13, 2014, 03:45:38 PM
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The only thing about Bitcoin though is that it is not 100% predictable unfortunately. Wink

More like, 0% predictable. I am still surprised after 4 years, with only two options the price actually has (up or down) how many unexpected combinations bitcoin comes up with Smiley

Since now all rallies are analyzed and we know how long they last and approximately how high they go, I am quite sure that next rally bitcoin is going to pull a stunt to leave everyone scratching their heads.

PS everyone go and watch Rise and Rise of Bitcoin, for some nostalgia about how earlier rallies unfolded and some key people of the bitcoin world, including a smug silly monkey Karpeles. Like, now, really great movie.

I hope that doesn't mean... have no rally, or a tiny rally that doesn't fit the nature of the previous rallys




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The only thing about Bitcoin though is that it is not 100% predictable unfortunately. Wink

More like, 0% predictable. I am still surprised after 4 years, with only two options the price actually has (up or down) how many unexpected combinations bitcoin comes up with Smiley

Since now all rallies are analyzed and we know how long they last and approximately how high they go, I am quite sure that next rally bitcoin is going to pull a stunt to leave everyone scratching their heads.

PS everyone go and watch Rise and Rise of Bitcoin, for some nostalgia about how earlier rallies unfolded and some key people of the bitcoin world, including a smug silly monkey Karpeles. Like, now, really great movie.

I hope that doesn't mean... have no rally, or a tiny rally that doesn't fit the nature of the previous rallys

Or a super huge rally or a slow non-accelerating growth for several months or a small rally followed by a dip to 200 and a huge rally. We'll know when it's over Smiley

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The bottomline is is that bitcoins should be purchased -- regardless of the price.

Whether $2 or $1200..... remember 1200, right? (--- I asked rhetorically)

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Im thinking we will see 400 within the next 72 hours and it will stay there for good once it breaks 400.

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The only thing about Bitcoin though is that it is not 100% predictable unfortunately. Wink

More like, 0% predictable. I am still surprised after 4 years, with only two options the price actually has (up or down) how many unexpected combinations bitcoin comes up with Smiley

Since now all rallies are analyzed and we know how long they last and approximately how high they go, I am quite sure that next rally bitcoin is going to pull a stunt to leave everyone scratching their heads.

PS everyone go and watch Rise and Rise of Bitcoin, for some nostalgia about how earlier rallies unfolded and some key people of the bitcoin world, including a smug silly monkey Karpeles. Like, now, really great movie.

I hope that doesn't mean... have no rally, or a tiny rally that doesn't fit the nature of the previous rallys

Or a super huge rally or a slow non-accelerating growth for several months or a small rally followed by a dip to 200 and a huge rally. We'll know when it's over Smiley

I think some people honestly believe the days of Bitcoin rallies are over.  I seem to remember reading things like that before the rally last November as well though.  I think the odds of having another one are far greater than not having one though.   

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The only thing about Bitcoin though is that it is not 100% predictable unfortunately. Wink

More like, 0% predictable. I am still surprised after 4 years, with only two options the price actually has (up or down) how many unexpected combinations bitcoin comes up with Smiley

Since now all rallies are analyzed and we know how long they last and approximately how high they go, I am quite sure that next rally bitcoin is going to pull a stunt to leave everyone scratching their heads.

PS everyone go and watch Rise and Rise of Bitcoin, for some nostalgia about how earlier rallies unfolded and some key people of the bitcoin world, including a smug silly monkey Karpeles. Like, now, really great movie.

I hope that doesn't mean... have no rally, or a tiny rally that doesn't fit the nature of the previous rallys

Or a super huge rally or a slow non-accelerating growth for several months or a small rally followed by a dip to 200 and a huge rally. We'll know when it's over Smiley

I think some people honestly believe the days of Bitcoin rallies are over.  I seem to remember reading things like that before the rally last November as well though.  I think the odds of having another one are far greater than not having one though.   

As long as Bitcoin has potential it will rally. Hopefully ATH will be 5k ;-)

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The only thing about Bitcoin though is that it is not 100% predictable unfortunately. Wink

More like, 0% predictable. I am still surprised after 4 years, with only two options the price actually has (up or down) how many unexpected combinations bitcoin comes up with Smiley

Since now all rallies are analyzed and we know how long they last and approximately how high they go, I am quite sure that next rally bitcoin is going to pull a stunt to leave everyone scratching their heads.

PS everyone go and watch Rise and Rise of Bitcoin, for some nostalgia about how earlier rallies unfolded and some key people of the bitcoin world, including a smug silly monkey Karpeles. Like, now, really great movie.

I hope that doesn't mean... have no rally, or a tiny rally that doesn't fit the nature of the previous rallys

Or a super huge rally or a slow non-accelerating growth for several months or a small rally followed by a dip to 200 and a huge rally. We'll know when it's over Smiley

I think some people honestly believe the days of Bitcoin rallies are over.  I seem to remember reading things like that before the rally last November as well though.  I think the odds of having another one are far greater than not having one though.   

Every bitcoin rally happens when bitcoin price needs to grow by an order of magnitude. So theoretically next one should be to five digits or thereabouts, that's why preparation is taking so long Smiley

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The only thing about Bitcoin though is that it is not 100% predictable unfortunately. Wink

More like, 0% predictable. I am still surprised after 4 years, with only two options the price actually has (up or down) how many unexpected combinations bitcoin comes up with Smiley

Since now all rallies are analyzed and we know how long they last and approximately how high they go, I am quite sure that next rally bitcoin is going to pull a stunt to leave everyone scratching their heads.

PS everyone go and watch Rise and Rise of Bitcoin, for some nostalgia about how earlier rallies unfolded and some key people of the bitcoin world, including a smug silly monkey Karpeles. Like, now, really great movie.

I hope that doesn't mean... have no rally, or a tiny rally that doesn't fit the nature of the previous rallys

Or a super huge rally or a slow non-accelerating growth for several months or a small rally followed by a dip to 200 and a huge rally. We'll know when it's over Smiley

I think some people honestly believe the days of Bitcoin rallies are over.  I seem to remember reading things like that before the rally last November as well though.  I think the odds of having another one are far greater than not having one though.   

Every bitcoin rally happens when bitcoin price needs to grow by an order of magnitude. So theoretically next one should be to five digits or thereabouts, that's why preparation is taking so long Smiley

5 digits .... W000t!!!!  Cool

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The only thing about Bitcoin though is that it is not 100% predictable unfortunately. Wink

More like, 0% predictable. I am still surprised after 4 years, with only two options the price actually has (up or down) how many unexpected combinations bitcoin comes up with Smiley

Since now all rallies are analyzed and we know how long they last and approximately how high they go, I am quite sure that next rally bitcoin is going to pull a stunt to leave everyone scratching their heads.

PS everyone go and watch Rise and Rise of Bitcoin, for some nostalgia about how earlier rallies unfolded and some key people of the bitcoin world, including a smug silly monkey Karpeles. Like, now, really great movie.

I hope that doesn't mean... have no rally, or a tiny rally that doesn't fit the nature of the previous rallys

Or a super huge rally or a slow non-accelerating growth for several months or a small rally followed by a dip to 200 and a huge rally. We'll know when it's over Smiley

I think some people honestly believe the days of Bitcoin rallies are over.  I seem to remember reading things like that before the rally last November as well though.  I think the odds of having another one are far greater than not having one though.   

What are those odds based on? Last November was different from now in that we had a lot of new people buying btc and gox was still around running their scam. I'm not saying that a rally won't happen again in the future, but I don't see any indications of one at the present time.
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October 13, 2014, 08:30:25 PM
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5 digits before december would make me enough money to last at least ten years. Easy.

Out of curiosity, how many coins would one need to have to make it profitable to throw enough fiat at the exchanges to pump the price to 10k?

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5 digits before december would make me enough money to last at least ten years. Easy.

Out of curiosity, how many coins would one need to have to make it profitable to throw enough fiat at the exchanges to pump the price to 10k?

See, markets have elasticity. Even if you buy up all orders to 10k, it will quickly shrink back to 400 and alot of people will say "thank you" as they did to bearwhale. So it has to grow slowly, organically, otherwise the 10k will be unsustainable and you definitely won't be able to profit from it Wink

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The only thing about Bitcoin though is that it is not 100% predictable unfortunately. Wink

More like, 0% predictable. I am still surprised after 4 years, with only two options the price actually has (up or down) how many unexpected combinations bitcoin comes up with Smiley

Since now all rallies are analyzed and we know how long they last and approximately how high they go, I am quite sure that next rally bitcoin is going to pull a stunt to leave everyone scratching their heads.

PS everyone go and watch Rise and Rise of Bitcoin, for some nostalgia about how earlier rallies unfolded and some key people of the bitcoin world, including a smug silly monkey Karpeles. Like, now, really great movie.

I hope that doesn't mean... have no rally, or a tiny rally that doesn't fit the nature of the previous rallys

Or a super huge rally or a slow non-accelerating growth for several months or a small rally followed by a dip to 200 and a huge rally. We'll know when it's over Smiley

I think some people honestly believe the days of Bitcoin rallies are over.  I seem to remember reading things like that before the rally last November as well though.  I think the odds of having another one are far greater than not having one though.   

Every bitcoin rally happens when bitcoin price needs to grow by an order of magnitude. So theoretically next one should be to five digits or thereabouts, that's why preparation is taking so long Smiley

It feels like a long pregnancy that takes some birth pains to deliver. Wink  I know, that is an analogy men can't fully understand.

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October 13, 2014, 09:11:39 PM
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5 digits before december would make me enough money to last at least ten years. Easy.

Out of curiosity, how many coins would one need to have to make it profitable to throw enough fiat at the exchanges to pump the price to 10k?

See, markets have elasticity. Even if you buy up all orders to 10k, it will quickly shrink back to 400 and alot of people will say "thank you" as they did to bearwhale. So it has to grow slowly, organically, otherwise the 10k will be unsustainable and you definitely won't be able to profit from it Wink
And taking that into account, how many? The top 100 and 500 addresses are growing. Someone has to be speculating on this.

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October 13, 2014, 09:20:54 PM
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Moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon.

HODLing for the longest time. Skippin fast right around the moon. On a rocketship straight to mars.
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We are heading to the moon for sure. Calling it right now we will break 400 for good in about 8 hours guys.

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The price is going to explode by the end of the week.
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It feels like a long pregnancy that takes some birth pains to deliver. Wink  I know, that is an analogy men can't fully understand.

I've seen an elephant give birth after a two-year-long pregnancy and it looked easy Smiley Much easier than it is for you female humans. Now I've lost the analogy completely thinking about baby elephant in a birth goo...

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October 14, 2014, 06:48:38 AM
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I urge all of you to buy before the price doubles this month...just a fair warning.

Already all in. Let's find out in a few months.
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It feels like a long pregnancy that takes some birth pains to deliver. Wink  I know, that is an analogy men can't fully understand.

I've seen an elephant give birth after a two-year-long pregnancy and it looked easy Smiley Much easier than it is for you female humans. Now I've lost the analogy completely thinking about baby elephant in a birth goo...


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like I said my friends. The 300s are gone for good now. Get in the 400s while you can...times have changed.

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October 14, 2014, 06:25:19 PM
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When these posts come out there's probably a correction on the way  Angry "Be Fearful When Others Are Greedy..."
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lol you don't know what youre sayin bro. we are on our way to 450

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like I said my friends. The 300s are gone for good now. Get in the 400s while you can...times have changed.

Are you willing to wager 1 btc on it?
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8 btc

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8 btc

Ok, so we'll use bitstamp for the price. Since never isn't a realistic timeframe we can use 1 year. If the price drops below $400 on bitstamp within the next year I win the bet and if it doesn't you win. Also, we have to use a trusted member here as an escrow to hold the bet money. How does that sound?
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Here we go. We are going to see a rally to 410 and it will touch 420 within 8 hours.

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October 15, 2014, 02:19:59 PM
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Buying and holding is a good strategy at any time.  Smiley
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October 15, 2014, 04:28:34 PM
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Buying and holding is a good strategy at any time.  Smiley

Tell that to the people who bought at $1200. At this time that doesn't exactly appear like it was a good strategy ya know what I'm sayin'?
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Buying and holding is a good strategy at any time.  Smiley

Tell that to the people who bought at $1200. At this time that doesn't exactly appear like it was a good strategy ya know what I'm sayin'?
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