[ANN][CLOAK] Private, Secure, Untraceable & Decentralized Digital Currency

[rastuss]

Yes, it's pretty...

...

No : rare last alive Cloak supporters only want the only important thing they were expecting of Cloak : a Cloak wallet finally really anonymous (at least, for what you told us) to use a (supposed) good anonymous and private coin. But it never comes.

Ratatosk we love you too  

I think you forgot small thing: We could release POSA3 wallet long time ago without Security Audit, but we decide to do a "Security Audit".

I understand that you all impatient and want best "MAGIC/HOLY GRAIL ANON WALLET" in one week but come down to earth and be realistic its not possible to release good quality product in few weeks, not with our budget and sources.

But if you able to help us to code the wallet so you help is very appreciated, if you can't so try to spread more LOVE, cause you hate help ZERO in our situation!

PEACE & LOVE!

 

Yes I remember the audit... and the several "small" things needed to be fixed. But since the audit you also wrote many times that all was almost finished, and that we wouldn't have to wait long, or that all is going to be fixed very quick or come out really-really soon...

I know it's a lot of work. I was only saying that finalizing and releasing the final working PoSA3 anon wallet should have been your ultra top priority target, and that many things not really urgent or not anon like Twitter tips, Android, videos, bloackexplorer, new promises/announces of next revolutional changes, new graphic layer of website, should have been made after the mega urgent and needed public release of PoSA3 wallet.

Your recent past and actual agenda scary me because it's so much illogic, I really don't understand how no one of you realize that, and how bad it was and it still is for Cloak. So much time and energy (and so, money too) lost.

You know I have several interesting qualities, but I can't help you to code. But even, if I could, your paranoia about not sharing the code except between you and Indigo would make my contribution to code impossible.

You told me you want to satisfy your investors. I don't see or understand how this behaviour helps to reach this goal. And by the way, I'm still one of these investors, for what that matters, even if less than before.

Despite our divergence of thinkings, there is absolutely no hate from me about Cloak. I really did not want to make Cloak team & supporters sad or angry. But many things disapoint me, or scare me. I'm only trying to open your eyes, from my outside position that allows me to have a quite impartial clear and global view.

And yes, you know I'm also in a kind of hope, live long & prosper, peace & love trip, with or without graphical pink cross (private joke, all other forum readers)... But one of the problems is that you only promise and deliver that, for now, sorry. We can only judge and make a conclusion on a guy/team/project on facts and results, not on words.

Well said my friend!

I give you right in mostly points. The side Projects like Twitterbot, Android Wallet and co this all was not made by our Coder "Indigo" he promises us from begin he will finish the POSA3-Wallet but cause many reasons from his side he didn't!

It was not our fault cause we have 100% trust in him and his delay made this bad situation for us all.

I am really sorry for this and i feel same like you all and i have also invested much of money in this project.

At the moment i am negotiate with 2 more coders to finish finally the POSA3 wallet cause i can't and don't want wait anymore for "Indigo" cause he said self he don't know when he able to finish this work!

So don't think its always our all fault, sometimes things happened in universe but not always for our bad .)

I am also happy to see you still believe in us it make me/us stronger in this difficult time.

PEACE & LOVE

Now you're worrying me - are you saying Cloak has been cut adrift by your coder because for whatever reason he can't finish the job? And what's more worrying is - despite all your love and snuggle updates, it took someone of fairly strong character to challenge you on it before you admitted this to us?

Oh jesus, this is another LTCD, I can feel it.

[Innokenti]

Well said my friend!

I give you right in mostly points. The side Projects like Twitterbot, Android Wallet and co this all was not made by our Coder "Indigo" he promises us from begin he will finish the POSA3-Wallet but cause many reasons from his side he didn't!

It was not our fault cause we have 100% trust in him and his delay made this bad situation for us all.

I am really sorry for this and i feel same like you all and i have also invested much of money in this project.

At the moment i am negotiate with 2 more coders to finish finally the POSA3 wallet cause i can't and don't want wait anymore for "Indigo" cause he said self he don't know when he able to finish this work!

So don't think its always our all fault, sometimes things happened in universe but not always for our bad .)

I am also happy to see you still believe in us it make me/us stronger in this difficult time.

PEACE & LOVE

OK, OK...  nothing more to add from my side now.

To make the atmosphere more light here, and to have a little fun, do you allow me to post my funny new Cloak logo proposal, mein Führer ? 
Remember, the one that horrified you ? 
With all needed links to educate people about the symbols, of course ! 

Feel free to post whatever you heart feel to do 

We are all ONE 

[inspirone1]

Yes, it's pretty...

...

No : rare last alive Cloak supporters only want the only important thing they were expecting of Cloak : a Cloak wallet finally really anonymous (at least, for what you told us) to use a (supposed) good anonymous and private coin. But it never comes.

Ratatosk we love you too  

I think you forgot small thing: We could release POSA3 wallet long time ago without Security Audit, but we decide to do a "Security Audit".

I understand that you all impatient and want best "MAGIC/HOLY GRAIL ANON WALLET" in one week but come down to earth and be realistic its not possible to release good quality product in few weeks, not with our budget and sources.

But if you able to help us to code the wallet so you help is very appreciated, if you can't so try to spread more LOVE, cause you hate help ZERO in our situation!

PEACE & LOVE!

 

Yes I remember the audit... and the several "small" things needed to be fixed. But since the audit you also wrote many times that all was almost finished, and that we wouldn't have to wait long, or that all is going to be fixed very quick or come out really-really soon...

I know it's a lot of work. I was only saying that finalizing and releasing the final working PoSA3 anon wallet should have been your ultra top priority target, and that many things not really urgent or not anon like Twitter tips, Android, videos, bloackexplorer, new promises/announces of next revolutional changes, new graphic layer of website, should have been made after the mega urgent and needed public release of PoSA3 wallet.

Your recent past and actual agenda scary me because it's so much illogic, I really don't understand how no one of you realize that, and how bad it was and it still is for Cloak. So much time and energy (and so, money too) lost.

You know I have several interesting qualities, but I can't help you to code. But even, if I could, your paranoia about not sharing the code except between you and Indigo would make my contribution to code impossible.

You told me you want to satisfy your investors. I don't see or understand how this behaviour helps to reach this goal. And by the way, I'm still one of these investors, for what that matters, even if less than before.

Despite our divergence of thinkings, there is absolutely no hate from me about Cloak. I really did not want to make Cloak team & supporters sad or angry. But many things disapoint me, or scare me. I'm only trying to open your eyes, from my outside position that allows me to have a quite impartial clear and global view.

And yes, you know I'm also in a kind of hope, live long & prosper, peace & love trip, with or without graphical pink cross (private joke, all other forum readers)... But one of the problems is that you only promise and deliver that, for now, sorry. We can only judge and make a conclusion on a guy/team/project on facts and results, not on words.

 I'll take partial blame on some of the other projects getting finished as I pushed for them and helped with the bounties for them. I am big on tipbots as it is a great tool to get new people to try it out.  As has been pointed out these were side projects and were not developed by the core dev team. I will admit I am extremely anxious for the new wallet as is everyone else but at the same time if it isn't ready it isn't ready. I would rather wait than get a wallet that isn't finished and will be torn apart in reviews.
 Anyone want a cloak tip post your twitter address here.
 Cloak is a strong buy at this price point and instead of complaining people should be buying.

[lazi]

Thanks for update!  

I trust Team Cloak !!! 

[Ratatosk]

... I will admit I am extremely anxious for the new wallet as is everyone else but at the same time if it isn't ready it isn't ready. I would rather wait than get a wallet that isn't finished and will be torn apart in reviews...

I understand that, and agree, even if it doesn't change anything about what I said. Thank for your answer.

[exslave]

oh well im going for a drink anyone joining me??

by the way here's my twitter tipcloak address feel free to tip so i can put some funds on my mobile android wallet

@exslave_cloak

CAyqrnR41JWM7uxeTXJsYh1ZarU7aPH8EN

[orco#2]

I am not sure why everyone is harping on the side projects?  They are good to have and the dev team has been working on the wallets for over a year.  Do you know how frustrating that is, to work on something for a long period of time?

People need to break from long projects to accomplish something different to refresh their minds so they can plug away at the long term stuff.  They are accomplishing many things.

No one likes the price here, but that will all change in the next 12 months.

[rastuss]

The key thing here is that important info has been deliberately withheld, which is a change from the norm of regular and open updating.

It's concerning whichever way you cut it.

[Ratatosk]

OK, now, to celebrate my 100th post on this forum, let's have some fun, folks  

To make the atmosphere more light here, and to have a little fun, do you allow me to post my funny new Cloak logo proposal, mein Führer ?  
Remember, the one that horrified you ?  
With all needed links to educate people about the symbols, of course !  

Feel free to post whatever you heart feel to do  
We are all ONE  

A long time ago, in a IRC channel not so far, far away... I made a new Cloak logo proposal, just kidding, and to have some of Cash-cash's brain fuses burned   (I succeeded a lot more than hoped   )
Their reactions & answers still bring me tears of laugh :-)

Lightning-fast haters, trolls, or moderators, before screaming at me or banning me, please read the 3 following webpages completely, till the end !!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika  
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/08/swazi/376061/ (the text is interrupted by advertisings several times, scroll down !)
http://www.spiritualpunx.com/store/

(I have no relationship or interests in Spiritualpunx products and store)

I don’t like Nazi Cross, I hate Hitler and his National-Socialist ideology, and all forms of nazism/NSDAP related things, I only like the old original meanings of regular swastikas, world universally used symbol, old of thousands years.



Lightning-fast haters, trolls, or moderators, before screaming at me or banning me, please read the 3 following webpages completely, till the end !!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika  
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/08/swazi/376061/ (the text is interrupted by advertisings several times, scroll down !)
http://www.spiritualpunx.com/store/

(I have no relationship or interests in Spiritualpunx products and store)

I don’t like Nazi Cross, I hate Hitler and his National-Socialist ideology, and all forms of nazism/NSDAP related things, I only like the old original meanings of regular swastikas, world universally used symbol, old of thousands years.

[disco987]

              I understood  long time ago, most people are ungrateful creatures,
              keep some respect to the cloakteam for the efforts they make !
              They are not our employees or workers if you forgot !
             
             

[Ratatosk]

I am not sure why everyone is harping on the side projects?  They are good to have and the dev team has been working on the wallets for over a year.  Do you know how frustrating that is, to work on something for a long period of time?
People need to break from long projects to accomplish something different to refresh their minds so they can plug away at the long term stuff.  They are accomplishing many things.
No one likes the price here, but that will all change in the next 12 months.

Not saying side-projects are bad.
Just saying that it's horrific to see side-projects popping-up and running, when the 1st ultra priority project doesn't evolve at all. That's the more frustating, on our public side. Of course if people developping side-projects are doing so because they can't help the main project, there is no negative impact on the final wallet, but, still, frustating.
I agree that people need to have hollidays and some rest sometimes, it's normal. And I thank them for their work.
But all the illogic (to my eyes) of the Cloak team agenda, as I wrote earlier today, was the reason I reacted so.

[lab rat hoax]

probably should kept that crap in the irc memory hole

[Ratatosk]

probably should kept that crap in the irc memory hole

Maybe, but I find it as funny as before  ...and I was able to reach Godwin point alone, without any help, so proud of me 

[orco#2]

probably should kept that crap in the irc memory hole

Lol, it really is the worst

[exslave]

probably should kept that crap in the irc memory hole

Maybe, but I find it as funny as before  ...and I was able to reach Godwin point alone, without any help, so proud of me 

Clearly that joke was inconvenient for people at the time but you keep pushing it it doesnt get better over time you know

[Ratatosk]

It's the only quick way I found to bring back a little fun here, and to make the too serious & bad mood better
Yes I like the running gags and heavy humor not always particularly delicate
And if by the way, a small History lesson around a joke can help to rehabilitate common swastikas, I'm double happy.
And I asked Cashmen's permission before posting that. If he had answered me "No, please", I would not even have insisted.
I hope you're fine, friend !

[lab rat hoax]

but having said that, there is a legitimate story to the demonization of an ancient symbol....when i lived in korea i'd see them every day.   this guy made it his life's work, if you've never heard of him.   he died a few years ago

http://www.vice.com/read/manwoman-is-taking-back-the-swastika

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/artist-fought-an-uphill-crusade-to-rehabilitate-the-swastika/article6980663/

to each his own. 

i'm just waiting for some good news about cloak.   it will come

[Ratatosk]

but having said that, there is a legitimate story to the demonization of an ancient symbol....when i lived in korea i'd see them every day.   this guy made it his life's work, if you've never heard of him.   he died a few years ago
http://www.vice.com/read/manwoman-is-taking-back-the-swastika
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/artist-fought-an-uphill-crusade-to-rehabilitate-the-swastika/article6980663/
to each his own. 

Thank you for these links about ManWoman !
I add them to my link list 
Have a look at http://www.spiritualpunx.com/blog/2015/9/27/manwoman-day-2015, and at the Spiritualpunx blog in general.

In order to be not too much off-topic here, maybe could we think about asking Spiritualpunx store to accept Cloak as way of payments ? 

A no-darknet shop real use for an anon coin, great, no ? 

And so, with this collaboration with this shop, we could really begin to use my improved logo as advertising for this partnership, to create a world-class success story, every parts would be happy, arf arf lol 

[lab rat hoax]

its worth a try

[Ratatosk]

its worth a try

Hehe yes, but as I was told once, that I was slowing down too much the Cloak team, I don't want to interfere anymore in Cloak development or its spreading.  
So I let you, or anybody else, arrange this altcoin collaboration with this shop.  
Feel free to use my graphic, I can even send you the original files if really needed (with Cloak team's permission, I'm going to ask them before doing anything).

Other thing : I found by total hazard that you can pay the excellent AirVPN with Cloaks. https://airvpn.org/plans/