why do people agree to pay taxes?

[picolo]

Bro, I'll respond with logical arguments once you stop posting anarcap slogans and cliches.
And you're a randian on top of all the other fail?  Once you graduate to Go, Dog, Go!, we can talk some more Smiley
In the mean time,

You really can't find a better argument than an "-ism" or "-ian" attack ? Come on, man you can do better.
There are some statists on this forum that sometimes present arguments worth debating and that at least made me do some research. (twiifm  )

But you are just boring

Come on give me some statist author, books, video that made you vibrate and want to pay your taxes. Something that can at least make me see a government of any kind with a better light whatever.

My point is that there is no government services that could not be better served by the private sector.
From road, to school, to police.
I gave you the an argument police (with the youtube link the argument is Rothbard's one), now explain me why it would not work, that's all.

Now I don't agree with the system. And I don't have to play with their rules. A government is less agile than an individual, an individual you can always adapt to their arbitrary rules, and finding ways to protect money from taxes legally. I don't want to debate whether it is good or bad, since it is not worth debating two different morality.

That being said, explain me why a private police would not work and make the debate progress.

A market is the most agile and efficient way to find a price and allow innovation and increasing standards of living for the participants

[NotLambchop]

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That being said, explain me why a private police would not work and make the debate progress.

Private police exists--see shopping mall cops, etc.  Also learn about the Pinkertons, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkerton_(detective_agency)
If you mean getting rid of publicly funded police, then what you're essentially asking for is placing the power of enforcement in the hands of the moneyed elite.

If, OTOH, you're asking about the actual mechanics of why private police would not happen, the answer is simple:  The real police would own the lunatics & throw them in jail.

Hope this helps.
*I still suggest studying Go, Dog, Go! in greater detail, and getting up to speed before typing on the interwebs

Edit re. "Come on give me some statist author, books, video that made you vibrate and want to pay your taxes":
I don't "vibrate" about paying taxes any more than I vibrate about going to the dentist or wiping my ass after taking a dump--I don't get excited about these things, frankly don't even enjoy them, but shit got to be done (no pun intended).

[Nicolas Dorier]

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That being said, explain me why a private police would not work and make the debate progress.

Private police exists--see shopping mall cops, etc.  Also learn about the Pinkertons, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkerton_(detective_agency)
If you mean getting rid of publicly funded police, then what you're essentially asking for is placing the power of enforcement in the hands of the moneyed elite.

If, OTOH, you're asking about the actual mechanics of why private police would not happen, the answer is simple:  The real police would own the lunatics & throw them in jail.

Hope this helps.
*I still suggest studying Go, Dog, Go! in greater detail, and getting up to speed before typing on the interwebs

Edit re. "Come on give me some statist author, books, video that made you vibrate and want to pay your taxes":
I don't "vibrate" about paying taxes any more than I vibrate about going to the dentist or wiping my ass after taking a dump--I don't get excited about these things, frankly don't even enjoy them, but shit got to be done (no pun intended).

Interesting to note that vandalism more often happen in public area than private one.
I'm talking about private police with private courts. (as explained https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o)
No monopoly of force in the hand of the state. (and no tax to pay for it)

I am surprised you think law enforcement would be in the hands of the moneyed elite... because this is already the case with the current system.
A company or person full of lawyer will defend more easily than poor one.
Get an Intellectual Property violated by a big guy ? forget about the court, you already lost. A big guy is attacking your for it ? forget also about defense if you don't have money.

Really take the time to see this video, since it address your point.

I don't get excited about these things, frankly don't even enjoy them, but shit got to be done (no pun intended).

No, it is not. You have to eat, you have to shit, but you don't have to pay taxes. You decide to.
Most people do it voluntarily convinced by the moral good of this obligation.
I'm not convinced by the moral base of it, I still pay my taxes, but spend times and education to minimize them. (Interestingly with government subsidies and companies even if I don't support the moral existence of subsidies as much as taxes)
As I said, I consider it pure racketeering and I see no service that can actually be better provided by a government and force than a competent business man voluntarily.
Rothbard is the main one that made me shift, Ayn Rand is a also a big part for sure.
In a sense, I consider myself a bigger thief by profiting from subsidies and paying my taxes legally, than someone that would just not declare anything.
Nobody is obliged to pay his taxes, and there is 2 ways to do it : profiting from subsidies (and good contacts) or not declaring. A sad perspective, but the choice is ours, liking it or not.

[bitcoinmining]

You're wrong.
If you are paid in goods and services, you owe tax on the fair market value of those goods & services.  
I'm surprised this still comes up, Google is your friend.

It would be illegal to do what I wrote in the last post, I was just saying some people do that not to pay revenue taxes

There are very few taxes on a company's revenue (the only tax on revenue is via the ACA on medical devices). The rest of the taxes in the US are based on either income or asset levels.

There is also sales tax but this is not a revenue tax, it is a consumption tax

I was saying that if you work without being registered you don't pay any taxes on your revenue

There is no way not to pay taxes, if you don't pay with your company you're paying when you buy something. Ah of course if you use black market to buy/sell something, you don't pay anything That's why they closed Silkroad, they couldn't get any taxes from them...

[NotLambchop]

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That being said, explain me why a private police would not work and make the debate progress.

Private police exists--see shopping mall cops, etc.  Also learn about the Pinkertons, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkerton_(detective_agency)
If you mean getting rid of publicly funded police, then what you're essentially asking for is placing the power of enforcement in the hands of the moneyed elite.

If, OTOH, you're asking about the actual mechanics of why private police would not happen, the answer is simple:  The real police would own the lunatics & throw them in jail.

Hope this helps.
*I still suggest studying Go, Dog, Go! in greater detail, and getting up to speed before typing on the interwebs

Edit re. "Come on give me some statist author, books, video that made you vibrate and want to pay your taxes":
I don't "vibrate" about paying taxes any more than I vibrate about going to the dentist or wiping my ass after taking a dump--I don't get excited about these things, frankly don't even enjoy them, but shit got to be done (no pun intended).

Interesting to note that vandalism more often happen in public area than private one.

That's because private areas are protected by an extra layer of security, see mall cop.  The real ones still show up when shit happens & serve as a deterrent.

I'm talking about private police with private courts. (as explained https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o)
No monopoly of force in the hand of the state. (and no tax to pay for it)

I am surprised you think law enforcement would be in the hands of the moneyed elite... because this is already the case with the current system.
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So to counter the fact that the rich already have disproportionate legal power, you want to hand it to them implicitly?  Not following your logic.

I don't get excited about these things, frankly don't even enjoy them, but shit got to be done (no pun intended).

No, it is not. You have to eat, you have to shit, but you don't have to pay taxes. You decide to.
Most people do it voluntarily convinced by the moral good of this obligation.

No.  I decide to eat because I don't like being hungry.
I decide to wipe my ass because I was brainwashed by patriarchal oligarchy and their toadies, the mainstream press.
Learn to paranoid delusions, brah.

  ~The Jews Did It!

[Nicolas Dorier]

There is no way not to pay taxes, if you don't pay with your company you're paying when you buy something. Ah of course if you use black market to buy/sell something, you don't pay anything Smiley That's why they closed Silkroad, they couldn't get any taxes from them...

Offshore companies and subsidies are typical way to escape, minimize taxes, and earning from taxes. You can pretty much having income of zero while profiting of everything while receiving money from government.
Sad but true, all it get is knowledge about all the program they are granting, connection, and some time to fill the paperwork.

If your revenue from tax exceed what you pay, I don't consider it "paying tax", for me it is called "cashing tax".

This is ironical, as the one who does that -and I do, and will continue as much as I can- are called legal, when on the other hand SR who never got 1 cents from the tax payer is considered illegal.
Well, as much as I dislike using the system, it does not morally hurt me to use it as long as I am providing value for my customers.

[botany]

You're wrong.
If you are paid in goods and services, you owe tax on the fair market value of those goods & services. 
I'm surprised this still comes up, Google is your friend.

It would be illegal to do what I wrote in the last post, I was just saying some people do that not to pay revenue taxes

There are very few taxes on a company's revenue (the only tax on revenue is via the ACA on medical devices). The rest of the taxes in the US are based on either income or asset levels.

There is also sales tax but this is not a revenue tax, it is a consumption tax

Is sales tax paid out of the pockets of the customer or the seller?
If demand is inelastic, it is considered to be paid by the customer.
If the demand is elastic, it is considered to be paid by the seller.

So no matter whether it is considered a revenue tax or consumption tax, it is sometimes paid by the selling company.

[picolo]

You're wrong.
If you are paid in goods and services, you owe tax on the fair market value of those goods & services. 
I'm surprised this still comes up, Google is your friend.

It would be illegal to do what I wrote in the last post, I was just saying some people do that not to pay revenue taxes

There are very few taxes on a company's revenue (the only tax on revenue is via the ACA on medical devices). The rest of the taxes in the US are based on either income or asset levels.

There is also sales tax but this is not a revenue tax, it is a consumption tax

Is sales tax paid out of the pockets of the customer or the seller?
If demand is inelastic, it is considered to be paid by the customer.
If the demand is elastic, it is considered to be paid by the seller.

So no matter whether it is considered a revenue tax or consumption tax, it is sometimes paid by the selling company.

When the company needs to pay 100% taxes when she gives away a salary she consider the cost of labor as being the salary+100%+(other costs) She would pay more if she didn't have the taxes

[Jackson86]

The government would force us to buy their service,
we can not reject only accept 

[scarsbergholden]

You're wrong.
If you are paid in goods and services, you owe tax on the fair market value of those goods & services. 
I'm surprised this still comes up, Google is your friend.

It would be illegal to do what I wrote in the last post, I was just saying some people do that not to pay revenue taxes

There are very few taxes on a company's revenue (the only tax on revenue is via the ACA on medical devices). The rest of the taxes in the US are based on either income or asset levels.

There is also sales tax but this is not a revenue tax, it is a consumption tax

Is sales tax paid out of the pockets of the customer or the seller?
If demand is inelastic, it is considered to be paid by the customer.
If the demand is elastic, it is considered to be paid by the seller.

So no matter whether it is considered a revenue tax or consumption tax, it is sometimes paid by the selling company.

This is not correct. Sales tax is always paid for by the buyer. There are many instances where the seller is not going to collect sales tax (for example because they are shipping to an out of state buyer) but the buyer is still liable for the tax.

Additionally sales tax is applied evenly to all similar goods so no individual producer is going to be penalized by sales tax

[picolo]

The government would force us to buy their service,
we can not reject only accept 

You have to obey the laws where you are living but you can actively try to convince people that the laws are bad and influence future laws.

[H1N1]

If you don't agree to pay taxes you would end up in jail. People are forced to pay taxes.

[Joca97]

why is it ok for a group of people calling themselves the government to force everyone to buy their services?
if enough armed people refused to pay and told the government to go fuck itself there is nothing they could do.

well i think its needed or there will be chaos

with taxes the country has money and they can help build there country without taxes i dont know what source of money they would have!

[picolo]

If you don't agree to pay taxes you would end up in jail. People are forced to pay taxes.

You disagree with paying taxes but still paying them not to go to jail

why is it ok for a group of people calling themselves the government to force everyone to buy their services?
if enough armed people refused to pay and told the government to go fuck itself there is nothing they could do.

well i think its needed or there will be chaos

with taxes the country has money and they can help build there country without taxes i dont know what source of money they would have!

Taxes build a big government that slows down the economy

[botany]

The government would force us to buy their service,
we can not reject only accept 

You have to obey the laws where you are living but you can actively try to convince people that the laws are bad and influence future laws.

This is assuming you live in a democracy. 

[CBG81]

ok so say you do not pay taxes?  and then what?

You will probably end up in jail and fined some more on top of the interest.

And if enuff ppl is to resist this then you would have a state of emergency that might lead to something even worse.

I guess you can always open an offshore acct if you do not want to pay taxes to your native country.

[mindrust]

Paying taxes is fine as long as the amount is reasonable. I don't want to pay anything more than %10. %10 is a nice number.

I need to pay 10stones for that 2.0liter bmw? Alright, here it is. 9 stones for bmw, and 1 stone for the government.

Sounds very reasonable. Makes sense.

Buy in some 3rd world counties like T****y, they charge %130 for a god damn 2.0liter car (everybrand) and plus V.A.T.

Hell I would'nt pay that nonsense even if i were rich.

[Amph]

ok so say you do not pay taxes?  and then what?

You will probably end up in jail and fined some more on top of the interest.

And if enuff ppl is to resist this then you would have a state of emergency that might lead to something even worse.

I guess you can always open an offshore acct if you do not want to pay taxes to your native country.

they will just taxex you more if you don't pay taxe, until you become homeless, there no jail for this

you can escape taxes if you pay for something not trackable

[Nicolas Dorier]

ok so say you do not pay taxes?  and then what?

You will probably end up in jail and fined some more on top of the interest.

And if enuff ppl is to resist this then you would have a state of emergency that might lead to something even worse.

I guess you can always open an offshore acct if you do not want to pay taxes to your native country.

Yes, and don't forget corruption.
As Rothbard pointed out, corruption happens when the government makes laws that are either difficult to enforce, or morally unjust for the enforcer.
So the enforcer then grant a "licence to fraud" by using his position, against some money. This is the nature of corruption. (giving rise to local monopoly, since the enforcer can prevent competition from happening if his "customer" is paying well enough)

As tax is high and become morally unacceptable for the tax controller, the cash needed to keep the mouth of the tax controller shut will decrease.
But this is unreachable for our wallet. At least in rich countries where taxation is high on the moral scale. ;(
Interestingly, I heard that in China, this is the norm (chinese people to confirm this here ?)

Nevertheless, a legal offshore company to a country that is low in taxes, or has corruptible enforcers is always a possibility. Even more for knowledge workers.

[scarsbergholden]

why is it ok for a group of people calling themselves the government to force everyone to buy their services?
if enough armed people refused to pay and told the government to go fuck itself there is nothing they could do.

well i think its needed or there will be chaos

with taxes the country has money and they can help build there country without taxes i dont know what source of money they would have!

This is correct. The government needs money in order to function. There are certain things that would never be appropriate for private enterprises to do (like make and enforce laws) and certain things that it would make more sense for the government to do (instead of a private enterprise) to do, like schools for example.