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May 21, 2012, 03:21:16 PM
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Always the same shit.

1- Start a quite unsecure service
2- Get some BTC in it
3- Start a marketing campaign
4- Get more BTC from customers
5- Change the admin password in your service as a cracker would do
6- Transfer the funds from the cold storage to another of your addresses
7- Put shorts in BTC
7- Claim a bad hack stole all the funds badly
8- Send small transfers with some geeky binary message
9- Spread some coins to charity and donation addresses.
10- Wait in the forums laughing while the purity monks claim for tainting coins
11 - Earn more money because the shorts and the purity monks


We really need the coin melting laundry service

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May 21, 2012, 03:24:53 PM
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Anarchy != chaos.

Anarchy == society with some private mandatory and consistent rules.
Who enforces them?

Rules are private, so who do you think?
So we can go around killing each other for whatever reason? Nice way to devolve back into the fucking Dark Ages.

People would voluntarily sign up to receive a service that might/will kill them? You know that round thing between your shoulders attached to your neck? Try to use it.

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May 21, 2012, 03:26:35 PM
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I don't consent to your "no murder" rule. Now what?

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May 21, 2012, 03:29:12 PM
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I don't consent to your "no murder" rule. Now what?

That's ok. Me and my friends who do accept this rule have decided to not offer you our services, so if you need food, you wont get it from us, if you need a job, you wont get it from us, if you need a place to live, we wont sell it to you. You can go into the wilderness and live among those who share your views.

Btw we hired this excellent security firm that will use deadly force in case you try to hurt us to get any of the above stuff by using force.

How does that sound?

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May 21, 2012, 03:30:04 PM
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I hate to burst everyone's bubble, but we're already living in a state of complete anarchy. We always have been and we always will be.

The state doesn't create laws. Laws cannot be broken. The state creates threats. And sometimes they act on those threats with violence. What separates the state from legitimate defense organizations is that the state continually violates the non-aggression principle. We know this to be true because the funding for the state comes from theft, i.e. taxes.

The state is nothing more than a gigantic criminal organization. When we say we want to abolish the state, we mean forever.

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May 21, 2012, 03:31:23 PM
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I don't consent to your "no murder" rule. Now what?

That's ok. Me and my friends who do accept this rule have decided to not offer you our services, so if you need food, you wont get it from us, if you need a job, you wont get it from us, if you need a place to live, we wont sell it to you. You can go into the wilderness and live among those who share your views.

Btw we hired this excellent security firm that will use deadly force in case you try to hurt us to get any of the above stuff by using force.

How does that sound?

WTF Are you Cristopher Columbus? It seems you just discovered America lol

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May 21, 2012, 03:33:31 PM
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The state doesn't create laws.

People create laws by singing contracts between each other. That's what contracts are = private law between the signatory parties.

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May 21, 2012, 03:33:51 PM
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I don't consent to your "no murder" rule. Now what?

That's ok. Me and my friends who do accept this rule have decided to not offer you our services, so if you need food, you wont get it from us, if you need a job, you wont get it from us, if you need a place to live, we wont sell it to you. You can go into the wilderness and live among those who share your views.

Btw we hired this excellent security firm that will use deadly force in case you try to hurt us to get any of the above stuff by using force.

How does that sound?
Sounds like you just started a State. Well done, you win the anarchy game!

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May 21, 2012, 03:35:17 PM
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I don't consent to your "no murder" rule. Now what?

That's ok. Me and my friends who do accept this rule have decided to not offer you our services, so if you need food, you wont get it from us, if you need a job, you wont get it from us, if you need a place to live, we wont sell it to you. You can go into the wilderness and live among those who share your views.

Btw we hired this excellent security firm that will use deadly force in case you try to hurt us to get any of the above stuff by using force.

How does that sound?
Sounds like you just started a State. Well done, you win the anarchy game!

A state? There is no body of politics or elections or government laws, there are no lines drawn on a map and there is no involuntary participation and no one has "authority" over anyone else. How does my example in any way resemble a state?

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May 21, 2012, 03:38:04 PM
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A state? There is no body of politics or elections or government laws, there are no lines drawn on a map and there is no involuntary participation. How does my example in any way resemble a state?
Wanna bet on how long it will stay that way, with all the "contracts" you are signing?

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May 21, 2012, 03:40:03 PM
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A state? There is no body of politics or elections or government laws, there are no lines drawn on a map and there is no involuntary participation. How does my example in any way resemble a state?
Wanna bet on how long it will stay that way, with all the "contracts" you are signing?

Yes, let's not cut out the cancer because it might grow back.. Roll Eyes

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May 21, 2012, 03:42:30 PM
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A state? There is no body of politics or elections or government laws, there are no lines drawn on a map and there is no involuntary participation. How does my example in any way resemble a state?
Wanna bet on how long it will stay that way, with all the "contracts" you are signing?

Yes, let's not cut out the cancer because it might grow back.. Roll Eyes
In that case, do you care to explain why previous attempts at anarchy have all failed in the long run? Just for my amusement, of course.

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May 21, 2012, 03:45:52 PM
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A state? There is no body of politics or elections or government laws, there are no lines drawn on a map and there is no involuntary participation. How does my example in any way resemble a state?
Wanna bet on how long it will stay that way, with all the "contracts" you are signing?

Yes, let's not cut out the cancer because it might grow back.. Roll Eyes
In that case, do you care to explain why previous attempts at anarchy have all failed in the long run? Just for my amusement, of course.

What attempts?

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May 21, 2012, 03:48:01 PM
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If he really wanna distribute the coins in the robin hood fashion he'd donate to p2pool.
This way the coins would be evenly and most untraceable distributed and it would make p2pool the largest pool.

Anyone checked the balance of this supposed giveback account, there are like 13coins on there, now that's pathetic.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they keep laughing, then they start choking on their laughter, and then they go and catch their breath. Then they start laughing even more.
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May 21, 2012, 03:49:01 PM
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A state? There is no body of politics or elections or government laws, there are no lines drawn on a map and there is no involuntary participation. How does my example in any way resemble a state?
Wanna bet on how long it will stay that way, with all the "contracts" you are signing?

Yes, let's not cut out the cancer because it might grow back.. Roll Eyes
In that case, do you care to explain why previous attempts at anarchy have all failed in the long run? Just for my amusement, of course.

What attempts?
Any. Unless you can point to some places with no government, over which no government has influence, and which still exist. I doubt that there are many, and I doubt that any such places that exist can scale up in size.

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May 21, 2012, 03:50:06 PM
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The state doesn't create laws.

People create laws by singing contracts between each other. That's what contracts are = private law between the signatory parties.

I understand what you're saying. What I'm saying is that the state has always attempted to make its laws as concrete as the laws of nature. Religious law also attempted this.

I know many in the anarcho-capitalist movement like to talk about private law. And I have as well in the past. But I think we should be calling it something else entirely. The laws of gravity and thermodynamics cannot be broken. Man made laws can be. It seems to me a perversion of the meaning of the word "law" when we talk about what mankind does.

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May 21, 2012, 03:51:40 PM
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A state? There is no body of politics or elections or government laws, there are no lines drawn on a map and there is no involuntary participation. How does my example in any way resemble a state?
Wanna bet on how long it will stay that way, with all the "contracts" you are signing?

Yes, let's not cut out the cancer because it might grow back.. Roll Eyes
In that case, do you care to explain why previous attempts at anarchy have all failed in the long run? Just for my amusement, of course.

What attempts?
Any. Unless you can point to some places with no government, over which no government has influence, and which still exist. I doubt that there are many, and I doubt that any such places that exist can scale up in size.

I thought your point was that there have in fact been attempts and that they failed.

Btw we had kings and slavery for most of our history until we didn't. But it's ok, cognitive dissonance wont allow you to see all the possibilities that I see, it's human nature nothing I or you can do.

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May 21, 2012, 03:52:29 PM
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The state doesn't create laws.

People create laws by singing contracts between each other. That's what contracts are = private law between the signatory parties.

I understand what you're saying. What I'm saying is that the state has always attempted to make its laws as concrete as the laws of nature. Religious law also attempted this.

I know many in the anarcho-capitalist movement like to talk about private law. And I have as well in the past. But I think we should be calling it something else entirely. The laws of gravity and thermodynamics cannot be broken. Man made laws can be. It seems to me a perversion of the meaning of the word "law" when we talk about what mankind does.

Private rules fits better, you are right.

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May 21, 2012, 03:54:00 PM
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Btw we had kings ... for most of our history until we didn't.
And society is worse now than it was with kings. I support monarchy.

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May 21, 2012, 03:56:08 PM
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Btw we had kings ... for most of our history until we didn't.
And society is worse now than it was with kings. I support monarchy.

Here you go, Luke.

http://anarcho-monarchism.com/

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