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May 20, 2012, 09:10:03 AM
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The self-reported hacker from the recent Bitcoinica theft has been distributing stolen coins over IRC.

If you recieve offers of stolen coins or have been sent tainted bitcoins, visit https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=82581.0, for information on how to redeem them safely. As with any theft, law enforcement will likely become involved and stolen coins may subject you to criminal investigation and/or charges - please be safe!

Bitcoin-related channels will not tolerate soliciting or distributing stolen coins.

For more information regarding the situation, please visit https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81045.0
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May 20, 2012, 09:59:12 AM
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As with any theft, law enforcement will likely become involved and stolen coins may subject you to criminal investigation and/or charges - please be safe!

FUD in it's truest form... Roll Eyes

If I get Bitcoinica coins because somebody took a donation address of mine and spammed it in this IRC channel - how should I know and why should I care?!

I'd recommend this Bitcoinica hacker guy to just create a few transactions with huge transaction fees - good luck in tracking these!

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May 20, 2012, 10:09:07 AM
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Sukrim: Then you simply send all coins in your donation adress to 1BPKHoL1sAVnfzxnH38RfXYYcHrEcniUKW
Thats a special recovery adress set up for those that received stolen funds.
Sending all your coins in your donation adress to 1BPKHoL1sAVnfzxnH38RfXYYcHrEcniUKW will then "clear" your bad reputation so it will not affect you in the future.

You can check the transaction history on blockchainexplorer and check if the coins can be tracked back to the adress 18***yiczhXSSCTciVujNRkkMw1zQ***hp (Scammer's adress), then your coins are black and its just to send everything to 1BPKHoL1sAVnfzxnH38RfXYYcHrEcniUKW .

(putted *** in the adress to prevent it to be sent coins to by mistake)


Why you sould care? Yes because these coins do NOT belong to bitcoinica, rather their userbase, eg those using bitcoinica. Its not a "blame on yourself" type of thing, since the end users could not do anything to prevent this. And bitcoinica will not itself win or lose something on recovering the funds, rather than their reputation would be good if they recovered all the funds to its users.
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May 20, 2012, 10:17:26 AM
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Bitcoin-related channels will not tolerate soliciting or distributing stolen coins.

what about soliciting for the purpose of sending them back to bitcoinica?
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May 20, 2012, 10:52:53 AM
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Sukrim: Then you simply send all coins in your donation adress to 1BPKxyz1234567 ...
nonononononooooooooooooooo all wrong, the correct address to send those coins to is: 1NpVWAGqt7fLoYKnAXnYuKkJxMFEKE7tUq
I will certainly take very good care of all those coins!  Grin

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May 20, 2012, 10:56:20 AM
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Kettenmonster: I know what you mean, you suspect the 1BPK adress is mine but thats not true, just verify with the thread linked that Luke-Jr written and you will see that the adress I specifyed match with that thread.
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May 20, 2012, 11:20:46 AM
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Bitcoin-related channels will not tolerate soliciting or distributing stolen coins.

Care to explain that a little more?

What channels are you talking about?

Trying to follow and block tainted coins is extremely dangerous and stupid. It's worse than blocking people by IP. I guess that's precisely what the hacker wants - distribute the money the more he can so that a tainting attempt becomes a disaster.
Many innocent people will end up with a fraction of this theft in their wallets, and in many cases it won't be in the form of a "donation".
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May 20, 2012, 11:30:02 AM
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This thread: so much FUD

So if i end up with stolen coins and i don't read the forum daily police arrest me? Ok guys bye, i'm back using fiat money and credit cards  Undecided
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May 20, 2012, 11:33:10 AM
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If the hacker needs addresses to send stolen coins you guys can give him the address in my signature. :-)

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May 20, 2012, 12:03:30 PM
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+1 for all the posts advocating fungibility.
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May 20, 2012, 12:07:21 PM
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Unless you don't believe in net neutrality / free speech on the internet, there is nothing wrong with requesting and keeping coins that were hacked. Of course, there may be some legal issues involved, so weigh the risks accordingly.

But if you do receive these "tainted" bitcoins, it's completely against the decentralized design of Bitcoin to send them to some central authority (in this case Luke's address) for proper return to their owner. Why should I trust this central authority to properly return the Bitcoin? Why not return them in another way that I see fit?

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May 20, 2012, 12:08:53 PM
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Unless you don't believe in net neutrality / free speech on the internet, there is nothing wrong with requesting and keeping coins that were hacked. Of course, there may be some legal issues involved, so weigh the risks accordingly.

But if you do receive these "tainted" bitcoins, it's completely against the decentralized design of Bitcoin to send them to some central authority (in this case Luke's address) for proper return to their owner. Why should I trust this central authority to properly return the Bitcoin? Why not return them in another way that I see fit?


Yeah. Why can't zhoutong put up an address so we can return them ourselves without them going through Luke's pockets first Huh

I trust Luke because he is a dev but zhoutong should post his address here !
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May 20, 2012, 12:11:51 PM
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Zhou Tong shouldn't post shit. Those are bitcoinica's coins, not Zhou Tong's coins...

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May 20, 2012, 12:18:19 PM
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Lol i didn't notice it was luke's address. Fail is now over 9000
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May 20, 2012, 12:39:59 PM
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Lol i didn't notice it was luke's address. Fail is now over 9000

Patrick from Bitcoin Consultancy agreed with Luke setting this up when it was going on.  There isn't any funny business going on there.
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May 20, 2012, 12:47:15 PM
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Trying to follow and block tainted coins is extremely dangerous and stupid. It's worse than blocking people by IP. I guess that's precisely what the hacker wants - distribute the money the more he can so that a tainting attempt becomes a disaster.
Many innocent people will end up with a fraction of this theft in their wallets, and in many cases it won't be in the form of a "donation".
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I personally don't mind spending and receiving stolen coins for exactly this kind of reason.

If the hacker needs addresses to send stolen coins you guys can give him the address in my signature. :-)
My address too. We can split the stolen coins equally. That seems like the fairest thing to do. Any other takers? Grin

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May 20, 2012, 01:43:41 PM
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The self-reported hacker from the recent Bitcoinica theft has been distributing stolen coins over IRC.

If you recieve offers of stolen coins or have been sent tainted bitcoins, visit https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=82581.0, for information on how to redeem them safely. As with any theft, law enforcement will likely become involved and stolen coins may subject you to criminal investigation and/or charges - please be safe!

Bitcoin-related channels will not tolerate soliciting or distributing stolen coins.

For more information regarding the situation, please visit https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81045.0

This is BS. While we're at this silliness, we can also charge Patrick with criminal negligence.
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May 20, 2012, 03:33:50 PM
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Kettenmonster: I know what you mean, you suspect the 1BPK adress is mine but thats not true, ...
... so you know that?
That explains why I should believe you now, doesn´t it?

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May 20, 2012, 03:36:21 PM
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... Any other takers? Grin
Hey bugger, me was first!!!111oneoneshifteleven  Shocked

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May 20, 2012, 04:18:07 PM
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Kettenmonster: I know what you mean, you suspect the 1BPK adress is mine but thats not true, ...
... so you know that?
That explains why I should believe you now, doesn´t it?

You're misquoting

[...] just verify with the thread linked that Luke-Jr written and you will see that the adress I specifyed match with that thread.

This thread is fail though.

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