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May 20, 2012, 06:35:58 PM
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I'm just so glad it is only 400 BTC....
Only? If those are peanuts to you, feel free to give me some  Tongue
I was just thinking that.I could use some of that.Anyways, I'll help by checking all my btc accounts. Just wish my 2 BTC clients didn't take such a longtime to show me (it's refreshing blockchain info atm) whether or not I recieved channgs 400BTC by mistake or not

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May 20, 2012, 06:40:05 PM
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I think it should be possible to find numerous other addresses that belong to the same wallet...

for example, all of these other addresses must be in the same wallet because they combined funds from that address within a transaction.

1EJqEgnZzjdGgGNJYd4LyZ6Q1VDw3DfqZY
13ooNQrbe7GnV9VvLiTfhf4L2iu1cPHED2
1BwX9YPVGnhnwKzkT3qjP5aXLitkt3jNEo
17Xm25WrxNaytY8wrYSYcqX9XW2Gx7YoSA
1H471yWN6CfEqepPmzehGAmMxBDLVJ6SNN
1B8fTwn6FPe3GUHMDJLcav4qHHcU1XWVaA
164jeidGsDbJYKDMSAs6aerMmFY3hCgqum

Here are a bunch more addresses that might be part of that same wallet - but only if some assumptions I have made about which is the "change" and which isn't are correct.  This payer seems to habitually pay amounts just 0.005 BTC shy of a full bitcoin.  (It could be a service that charges a 0.005 transaction fee on withdrawals)

1KXNSsa4B6fSMeL6dif3eYsj3LvVAKnfWR
13hSfg1fjbPG8z1MR7gyxosysYGjEf5wc3
1BY561eAqtaRScvx7cKzNp6cqxU7joxoN4
1SRkzLgZwjuNcfmTzpWuTyV6wCNNAgJEX
18nKwh2EFexX8rx1XvTNip2J9dforHpGrn
1M4xpwJGoTVmVgiswvEyYhr964EwKejD18
1HZx6ekPuVGuzkePNynTYhno1NefSGa4HT
17yqzuZBBWYLeFYZeN3f1xbXQS5Ee1SYNV
15UUvE2nAQ1RocSiCmb28y4CD6uvwhVErx
14ULRw47osGnACc6i9JMyJP2oYv6Ct6ZSM
1Ade8DBpwjCBCZAGrJPZyJgSHnDbrWGUjS
1Pu37ASqGtfYCJghbTh3GUcEJrg9J6isnA
1M3xcMsYT8sUJ9y7DFVhjFKMPjNuT3gJbe
1FRyj6fZ1LugCZyZ36xYeJDKEVTKhFbXQ1
1Ge78XW4REMcP6PF4pn6WfGGG8WHaSXEYp
1NpozNnumS8dkQMJknmjWSa5jhYEn8w4e4
18NenGcKKCm9K2P9F2NiXA7hwC6ZXX9Q9G
1DzgXxR5uM1nRfymW75ZHiojatuCWHM848
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1NE8Z6Ec6GSCUiBah4KNcWHNW1Af1zUAtH
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May 20, 2012, 06:54:54 PM
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I got a link that can help us follow this up more easily: http://blockexplorer.com/address/1DMLq4UF1yWn9kTC8a6fvVcMzLizuShaz


I saw a lot of smaller (split) transactions here: http://blockexplorer.com/address/1N3z4a7YDf6A7GAWRuv9asLLuxtPvo2fKX
after following one of the leads from the first address I saw (one with 400BTC).

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May 20, 2012, 07:41:52 PM
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Client: Satoshi
Fees are manually set to 0.001/kb. Sometimes an old client that uses .01/kb is used.
User has received funds from a service that gives out bitcoins, but at various exact amounts, as a sendmany.
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/1914667/131cc29906bb30cb6cf5921648ffe75cdbffc109a083fc18c9b4fd3cd06176e9
User was paid by someone that was a StrongCoin user:
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/1914644/05c5a67b4657c6bf6329a656a63eb03f6629fc16eec23539e896e649d844ec5d

Transactions are also quite frequent and small. Probability that this is an e-wallet: 90%

Could it be instawallet?

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May 20, 2012, 07:59:44 PM
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did you send it to one of your own old instawallet accounts?  Cheesy

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May 20, 2012, 08:20:30 PM
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As casascius pointed out, the person (or wallet) you sent the money to tends to make payments that are 0.005 BTC less than a round number.  Looking at the addresses that those payments went to, some of them appear to be addresses that were posted in this thread: Break My Website | Cheaper in Bitcoins.

For example:


Therefore, I would suggest that your 1.96 BTC and 400 BTC were sent to Xenland, or at least to a wallet service that he was using at the time.  I would suggest contacting him to see if he has them, or if he can tell you which service does.
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May 20, 2012, 08:24:06 PM
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I hope this all gets straightened out, but next time, send the 400 btc to 1AQ52f8q4PEfVBp4VqWSVm2i4qaLkXPsiG, Id be more than happy to send you 360 back  Grin.

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May 20, 2012, 09:05:07 PM
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If a Bitcoin veteran can make this kind of mistake, something needs to be done to make the addressing foolproof.
Nothing needs to be done about this. It was a valid address, just an old one. I seriously don't know how someone can be so careless to lose 400 BTC this way and it wasn't even 400, that was lucky. It could have been 3000. I re-check the addresses I either send to or give someone else even if it's 1 BTC. For a 3000 BTC amount I would triple check. This sounded like he just copy pasted some random address while surfing porn meanwhile.

I'm sorry for the loss but saying that this requires changes from Bitcoin is ridiculous.

Only triple check for 3k BTC? May be I'm nuts but I still check 5+ times for amounts that size even for normal bank transfers. May be I'll tune it down when I'm crazy rich Smiley

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May 20, 2012, 11:12:22 PM
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Sorry to hear about this, Goat. Time to generate a bunch of vanity addresses -  might help with large sum payments. I hope the recipient does the right thing.

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May 20, 2012, 11:58:42 PM
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I bet I am not the only one who likes to ask: Goat, who is that four eyed fat white fuck on your icon? How much did he pay for you to get the picture taken?
   

LMAO!!!

I nearly fell out of my chair when I read this...  too fucking funny Cheesy

Like others said..

How you did this without checking your address's is beyond me..   

Must be nice to be able to afford slip ups like this...

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May 21, 2012, 12:15:26 AM
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Jesus...

a fool and his money soon part...

Not nice to kick the guy while he's already down...  Roll Eyes
That's kind of the point. If Bitcoin is like cash and this is like losing a wad of cash, who does that? It happens very rarely with fiat cash, but frequently with Bitcoin.

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May 21, 2012, 01:45:59 AM
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After reading the thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54467.msg725260#msg725260, your hissyfit at gmaxwell in #bitcoin and other postings by you in this forum, I 've got to say, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.


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May 21, 2012, 01:50:17 AM
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After reading the thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54467.msg725260#msg725260, your hissyfit at gmaxwell in #bitcoin and other postings by you in this forum, I 've got to say, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.


I have no idea what you're talking about. gmaxwell was off on some weird/trollish rant that I didn't really follow. Goat's responses on the other hand seemed pretty reasonable.

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After reading the thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54467.msg725260#msg725260, your hissyfit at gmaxwell in #bitcoin and other postings by you in this forum, I 've got to say, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.


I have no idea what you're talking about. gmaxwell was off on some weird/trollish rant that I didn't really follow. Goat's responses on the other hand seemed pretty reasonable.

Agreed. Recheck what you posted shockD.

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After reading the thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54467.msg725260#msg725260, your hissyfit at gmaxwell in #bitcoin and other postings by you in this forum, I 've got to say, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.


I have no idea what you're talking about. gmaxwell was off on some weird/trollish rant that I didn't really follow. Goat's responses on the other hand seemed pretty reasonable.

Interesting, I read exactly the reverse into that and didn't find his responses reasonable at all.

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May 21, 2012, 01:55:20 AM
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Which quote seems more reasonable to you?

So what should someone who's been mining for you do when after they use their mined coins to buy Alpaca Socks law enforcement shows up and tells them that their coins were the marked proceeds from a sting operation related to drugs, arms sales, child porn trade, or that they were bitcoins reported previously stolen and that they have a warrants to seize all their computers to look for evidence?

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May 21, 2012, 01:59:32 AM
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That part was cartoonishly presented, but the important part that you left out was the legitimate question that follows:

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The word on IRC is that these private services which pay >100% PPS in BTC for mining are doing this because they're attempting to get rid of 'dirty' coins which could potentially be traced in exchange for freshly mined coins.  Certainly this is the only thing I've heard that makes any economic sense at all, but if it's true don't the miners have a right to know what role they're playing in this and what risk they're taking?

Have I got it wrong?  Can you help me understand what the business is here?


Certainly a reasonable question.

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May 21, 2012, 02:37:03 AM
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That part was cartoonishly presented, but the important part that you left out was the legitimate question that follows:

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The word on IRC is that these private services which pay >100% PPS in BTC for mining are doing this because they're attempting to get rid of 'dirty' coins which could potentially be traced in exchange for freshly mined coins.  Certainly this is the only thing I've heard that makes any economic sense at all, but if it's true don't the miners have a right to know what role they're playing in this and what risk they're taking?

Have I got it wrong?  Can you help me understand what the business is here?


Certainly a reasonable question.


Everyone knows Goat was doing a pool hopping proxy, so it's not much of a question now. And ignoring that - marked coins? Tainted coins spread so rapidly that before long everyone has some. As for " Certainly this is the only thing I've heard that makes any economic sense at all" then for a miner gmaxwell didn't think too hard. Pool hopping was the first thing that came to my mind.

What gmaxwell say can be said for many ventures in btc-land. Maybe he hassles everyone equally - I don't know. But what Goat was doing was plain to me from the outset.

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May 21, 2012, 03:53:49 AM
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The university sent over two girls to learn about "business administration" and well... Let us just say they were extremely friendly with each other and myself.

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May 21, 2012, 04:18:29 AM
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Well, apparently someone considered this of tantamount importance to Bitcoin vulnerabilities; it got posted in the site-wide News bar.

"If you've unexpectedly received 400 BTC, please contact Goat."

Valiant, but probably futile.

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