CannabisCoin [CANN][X11][Official] Developments & Discussions

[Dofus]

You know D9, if you're so tired about people like me or Jamesonotc, you could just give updates, just saying.

"Are we there yet?"

"Are we there yet?"

"Are we there yet?"

My goodness! My grandchildren travel better than you lot.

I don't know why you guys can't read what ∆9 posts, e.g. a couple of consecutive posts here and in a copy of his IRChat here and understand that as he pours more and more capital into this project the more dangerous becomes his position Federally.

The man is risking substantial capital investment in a long-term project and you whine about being bored. What are you risking? A few dozen bitcoin converted to CannabisCoin on an exchange in the hope of instant profit? Less? Pfft!

As the man has stated a few times, if you enjoy his and the team's driving, enjoy the ride.

The corollary, of course, is that if you can not stand the journey you should probably get off the bus. In ∆9's words: "If you think we are moving too slow, then this industry is not for you."

"Are we there yet?"

"No, just watch the world go by, read a book or play with your puzzles. We'll get there when we get there."

Yeah right, the fact is that nobody can tell if you're mooving too slow, too fast or on the wrong path. We can just tell nothing
What the "ride" is :
-Buy
-Wait one year doing nothing because anyway absolutly nothing is told to the "community", not worth spending time on the sleepy IRC
-Sell

But yeah, i'll "enjoy" the ride .

The only thing you got with this behaviour is an angry community just waiting for an eventual pump to exit for ever. That's my case . I'll dump my load and you'll never see me again, like 80% of this IRC channel.
Anyway, keep doing it like this, you sure understand well how a crypto-community works

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[Voidcrafter]

http://uk.businessinsider.com/snoop-dogg-reportedly-raising-millions-for-a-weed-startup-2015-2?r=US   maybe snoop would be willing to / will invest

[hetecon]

Is this coin still popular?

[SirChiko]

http://uk.businessinsider.com/snoop-dogg-reportedly-raising-millions-for-a-weed-startup-2015-2?r=US   maybe snoop would be willing to / will invest

Go ahead and contact him

[Youghoor]

http://uk.businessinsider.com/snoop-dogg-reportedly-raising-millions-for-a-weed-startup-2015-2?r=US   maybe snoop would be willing to / will invest

Go ahead and contact him

May be he will able to take this coin ahead.

[compmaster]

Oh shit, CANN is back on bitcointalk.

Is it time for a pump n dump?

better buy up a few more, just in case.

Is that 420 that I can smell in the air. 2 months to go.

OMG! This is funny and true. It's a good time to be accumulating marijuana related coins.

[natmccoy]

Nice little run-up to 1244 today, don't see anything to explain it though.

[enginera]

Someone is collecting at low prices?

[compmaster]

Nice little run-up to 1244 today, don't see anything to explain it though.

Dude, What's not to understand? D9 made 2000 BTC on the last pump n dump. Now he has bought all his coins back at 95% off, so only 100 BTC to get them all back. D9 is back on bitcointalk. D9 is trying to pump n dump the shit out of this coin again on 420! DUH. It looks like it's going to work out well for anyone who was accumulating CANN at 1000 over the past months.

[natmccoy]

Dude, What's not to understand? D9 made 2000 BTC on the last pump n dump. Now he has bought all his coins back at 95% off, so only 100 BTC to get them all back. D9 is back on bitcointalk. D9 is trying to pump n dump the shit out of this coin again on 420! DUH. It looks like it's going to work out well for anyone who was accumulating CANN at 1000 over the past months.

I'm not sure if you're trying to make sinister/untrue/fud accusations, or if there's evidence that D9 made 2,000 bitcoin from the last pump (not sure if there would be anything wrong with that or not) but either way I hope you're right about a pump coming because I've got a substantial (to me) number of coins. I plan to hold long term but it would be nice to get out of the red and maybe reduce my average cost to 0

[B4zz4]

You know D9, if you're so tired about people like me or Jamesonotc, you could just give updates, just saying.

"Are we there yet?"

"Are we there yet?"

"Are we there yet?"

My goodness! My grandchildren travel better than you lot.

I don't know why you guys can't read what ∆9 posts, e.g. a couple of consecutive posts here and in a copy of his IRChat here and understand that as he pours more and more capital into this project the more dangerous becomes his position Federally.

The man is risking substantial capital investment in a long-term project and you whine about being bored. What are you risking? A few dozen bitcoin converted to CannabisCoin on an exchange in the hope of instant profit? Less? Pfft!

As the man has stated a few times, if you enjoy his and the team's driving, enjoy the ride.

The corollary, of course, is that if you can not stand the journey you should probably get off the bus. In ∆9's words: "If you think we are moving too slow, then this industry is not for you."

"Are we there yet?"

"No, just watch the world go by, read a book or play with your puzzles. We'll get there when we get there."

Yeah right, the fact is that nobody can tell if you're mooving too slow, too fast or on the wrong path. We can just tell nothing
What the "ride" is :
-Buy
-Wait one year doing nothing because anyway absolutly nothing is told to the "community", not worth spending time on the sleepy IRC
-Sell

But yeah, i'll "enjoy" the ride .

The only thing you got with this behaviour is an angry community just waiting for an eventual pump to exit for ever. That's my case . I'll dump my load and you'll never see me again, like 80% of this IRC channel.
Anyway, keep doing it like this, you sure understand well how a crypto-community works

And there is your problem in your own words. You mistake the Yes We CANN movement for a simple pump-and-dump crypto crap coin. If you want to play pass-the-parcel and dump valueless coins on some poor bagholder you are in the wrong coin here.

You obviously broke the cardinal rule of crypto trading - or any trading for that matter - you did not adequately do your own research.

If you knew anything about dealing with government regulations you would have assumed at least 6 months lead time and then started adding time for constructing/converting grow space. That's before test grows required to choose preferred candidate lines for a given location and growth traits. Then the curing and testing of the first batches begins - more time. Only once these have been tested, selected and propagated can the commercial grows even begin.

My initial estimate from the pre-announcement last February was for first distribution possibly early 2016, although ∆9 seems to be beating that schedule at the moment. What was yours? My guess is that you never gave any of the above even a passing thought, probably still haven't.

If someone were to paraphrase your own statement it would likely be: "Keep whinging like this, you surely know nothing of how the real world works" but that would be rude. Instead rather let me encourage you to actually think about the project ∆9 has undertaken, about the staggering cost and effort it entails. Then decide whether you want to stay with a long-term project or keep playing pass-the-parcel with crypto crap coins. The choice is entirely yours.

[B4zz4]

Dude, What's not to understand? D9 made 2000 BTC on the last pump n dump. Now he has bought all his coins back at 95% off, so only 100 BTC to get them all back. D9 is back on bitcointalk. D9 is trying to pump n dump the shit out of this coin again on 420! DUH. It looks like it's going to work out well for anyone who was accumulating CANN at 1000 over the past months.

I'm not sure if you're trying to make sinister/untrue/fud accusations, or if there's evidence that D9 made 2,000 bitcoin from the last pump (not sure if there would be anything wrong with that or not) but either way I hope you're right about a pump coming because I've got a substantial (to me) number of coins. I plan to hold long term but it would be nice to get out of the red and maybe reduce my average cost to 0

He's spouting that same nonsense about coins traced to the initial block where the swap coins were created (every outstanding coin from the scrypt mining days had to be reproduced for the X11 chain). As the conspiracy theory goes a large chunk of coins from those days were moved to Bittrex and traded during the pump around the October 20th event, supposedly by ∆9.

The fact is that the coins were likely paid out as a bounty for work done during the changeover when the coins had little to no value ($100 would have bought you hundreds of thousands of CANN back then). Whoever had them wisely kept them and sold during the pump (good for them).

Regardless, ∆9 has explicitly stated it wasn't him, even though he would be perfectly entitled to recover some of his costs incurred to date.

Someone must expect CANN will perform well as first crops approach and wants to accumulate on the cheap, hence the recycling of this garbage.

I recommend that people holding CANN not give their impending profits to manipulators and mud-slinging smear-merchants.

[B4zz4]

All of this information was discovered by myself with breadcrumbs dropped by the dev,

No Jamie, it's a bunch of supposition and assertion on your part (yes, I've seen it and followed the blockchain - boring!).

What the blockchain shows is that the coins were generated in the changeover premine (well duh).

What were they worth when they were paid out Jamie boy? And what was the then-going rate for say, hosting 5 seeds for a year? Or maybe coding a conversion? In fact what was the $ value of anything needed in the legitimate construction of a coin and how many CANN did that equate to on the day?

If you "investigated" then you had to have all that information and much more. And you know all the bounties paid and to whom, right?

So James, what was CANN trading at when the coins over which you obsess were initially transferred and what was the then-value of both BTC and the US$?

All you have is the fact coins were transferred multiple times before being transferred to Bittrex and presumably sold. Ooo-ooh! Exciting... not.

Stop trying to frighten newbies and small holders with your nonsense assertions. Even your own coin group has asked you to cease and desist as tokyopotato posted here himself.

Enough child! Go play somewhere else.

[MadGhost]

The fact is that the coins were likely paid out as a bounty

Was your above statement based upon fact of assumption?


Fact is the coins went directly to bittrex sent by the owner of the pre-mine wallet (DeltaNineDev). If these were paid as bounties the receiving party was using a bittrex wallet. But again, who pays a 1,465,380 million bounty and nothing to show for it, quite odd and needs to be accounted for.

Regardless, ∆9 has explicitly stated it wasn't him, even though he would be perfectly entitled to recover some of his costs incurred to date.

D9 has stated many times that he nor his team possessed or had the pre-mine coins until faced with the evidence and eventually had no choice but to admit ownership.

Also, i'd like to note, the dev still has 5+ million coins in his possession from the pre-mine. This ultimately means, the dev, confirmed kept 19 million of the initial 21.8 million pre mine for himself.

Remember folks, you were told 21882000 was paid out, not the case..


If confirmed that the dev spent money to bittrex wallets containing ~1.4 million this would mean ownership was at ~20.4 million of the original 21.8 million. *No formal announcement for this 1.4 million bounty was ever made*

You can confirm the dev's ownership of 5 million pre mine by locating his post here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=661885.msg7539953#msg7539953

The dev stated he deposited 1000 CANN following the initial 100 coin deposit to Charlotte Figi CannabisCoin Donation Wallet: CHRpGgAwiiFjm3RKKk1HgRpFTxbxtS9Joj

This depositing address leads to the 5 million cann wallet.

One would think if the dev has enough to pay others 1.4 million bounty with 5+ million reserve he would have donated more then 1000 CANN to the Charlotte Figi CannabisCoin Donation Wallet? 

You know the dev never made any of this pre-mine information formal or public?

All of this information was discovered by myself with breadcrumbs dropped by the dev,

What will we do in that case.

[B4zz4]

The fact is that the coins were likely paid out as a bounty

What will we do in that case.

Do in what case MG? Even if jamesonotc's fantasies were based in fact what do you believe would change? Strip his hand-waving and what do you see?

Total coin supply - unchanged.
Coins held by rich list - unchanged.
Daily coin turnover - unchanged.
Intent of coin - unchanged.

IF it were true, the worst case would be ... that ∆9 had more cash at his disposal to expand his grow base even faster? Gosh, wouldn't that be terrible? 

[B4zz4]

Hahahahaha 

That's wonderful! We go from this:

Nice little run-up to 1244 today, don't see anything to explain it though.

Dude, What's not to understand? D9 made 2000 BTC on the last pump n dump. Now he has bought all his coins back at 95% off, so only 100 BTC to get them all back. D9 is back on bitcointalk. D9 is trying to pump n dump the shit out of this coin again on 420! DUH. It looks like it's going to work out well for anyone who was accumulating CANN at 1000 over the past months.

To

The block timestamp of the transaction is 2014-08-13 23:55:16. (5th day after CANN is accepted to bittrex exchange)

Sent to bittrex: 465,300.0 CANN
Sent to bittrex: 1,000,080.0 CANN

Daily statistic for bittrex on August 13.

Lets just give the daily medium: .00000706
.00000706 x 1,465,380CANN = 10.3455 BTC
If sold at the peak price for that day of .00001199 he could have made upwards of 17.57BTC ($9930,46)

The man's spending a literal fortune getting grow licenses and establishing grows and your huge conspiracy is he "might" have moved BTC10 worth of coins?

OMG! Who can you tell? Who can you telephone? Hahahahahahahahaha

Go to sleep Jamie.

[B4zz4]

Total coin supply - unchanged.

Coins held by rich list - unchanged.

Intent of coin - unchanged.

IF it were true, the worst case would be ... that ∆9 had more cash at his disposal to expand his grow base even faster? Gosh, wouldn't that be terrible?  

The man's spending a literal fortune getting grow licenses and establishing grows and your huge conspiracy is he "might" have moved BTC10 worth of coins?

There Jamie, I've fixed it for you by removing the absurd portions.

What you don't seem to get is that nothing changes whether your fevered imaginings had any foundation or not. I find it hard to believe you that stupid so I attribute your posts to nefarious motive, though I fail to see your gratification.

You claim altruism and then spend all your time trying to drive down the value of people's CANN holdings - I'm sure they appreciate that. You created and keep trying to maintain the fuss that saw some of the initial 100-million cap X11 coins destroyed and now want to claim that as a potential problem.

Are you clinging to this in the hope of some sort of eventual vindication to prove your twin brother and his coin group's kicking you loose in embarrassment wrong?

Sorry kid but there are enough of us who care enough about the Yes We CANN movement and mmj patients to see that the coin continues from strength to strength. Get another hobby, perhaps something constructive. You'll be much happier.

[john03]

Total coin supply - unchanged.

The coin supply has changed drastically, from the initial scrypt coin supply to being severely decreased with the x11 protocol switch, this further inflated the pre-mine funds being held by the developer.

Coins held by rich list - unchanged.

The rich list has changed for the negative IMO and may impact miners whos coins were destroyed in the pre-mine burn fiasco.  These miners may still come to claim their coins in the future if they gain value. I've heard of many people who go searching for their missing .dat files when BTC prices reached $1,000. (Oh, I remember mining CANN back in the old days! let me see if i can find my wallet! oh wait, my coins are transferred to a new protocol and burned?).

28 addresses containing 500k each being removed adding a larger percentage of the holdings to positions below and above each of the addresses on the list. CANN richlist contains #1 and #3 & #5 being bittrex trading wallets with your lead developer being at #4 with 5,095,932.1 CANN pre-mined coins.

Intent of coin - unchanged.

The intent of this coin will not move forward without transparency and accountability from your developers and those leading the direction of the coin.

IF it were true, the worst case would be ... that ∆9 had more cash at his disposal to expand his grow base even faster? Gosh, wouldn't that be terrible?  

Sounds as if you may be seeing the potential my arguments may be truth. After all I'm using facts here to make points valid.

The man's spending a literal fortune getting grow licenses and establishing grows and your huge conspiracy is he "might" have moved BTC10 worth of coins?

This is not fact whatsoever and only judgement you have made based on assessing the information told to you by the developer with no proof to back up the statements.There is no evidence to support that the developer is using his own funds to obtain grow licenses and establishing grows for cannabis coin whatsoever.

Regarding the 10BTC sell off on bittrex, it's possible. However, at any point had an opportunity to cash out 20,465,380 x .0001700~ = 3,479.11~ BTC. The reason it did not happen? It would not be wise after being discovered by another person. Im guessing he wouldn't think twice if nobody knew about said coins, I just wouldn't want to see that scenario played out. Lay it out on the table for accountability, transparency, and our communities protection.

At the rate of BTC on Oct 16th, day of all time high for CANN, price peaked $399.00 per BTC.

This theoretically could have fetched a good $1,388,164 USD in the developers favor with very little effort.  (sale priced Oct 16th 2014)

This is why pre-mines are bad, especially non transparent ones.

These theories of developer cashing coins our are hypothetical and we as community members must do something to protect ourselves from this ever happening.

Man you have been trying to say the same thing again and again and again.
Its simply so boring, even the dumbest would have understood by now that no one cares what you wanna say.

Move on dude, if you don't want to put money on CANN simply don't do it.
There is a strong community behind d9 who believes in what he does even if that means to wait for years to come.
So just keep your fucking question/investigation to yourself.  

[corather]

I'm mining cann. I don't have a high powered rig, but some things brewing lately got me to start mining it again. I don't believe in coinspiracies. See what I did there?

[B4zz4]

There is no good timing to bring up the information I provided and I'm certainly not waiting for your market cap dreams of 100 million before posting.

100 million coin cap, you twit, reduced to 92 million atm.