The Treadmill of Atheism

[Vod]

I agree that some scientific review is fact. But much of it has been built of previous "IF" ideas.

That's how science works.  When I am making a theory on how diamonds are formed, I don't need to go and re-prove gravity. 

 

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[BADecker]

The choice of not believing it is a choice only.

Ah, so all the threats of an infinite life of constant torture don't play into it.  

You really think you'd have 1% of your numbers if people weren't threatened into believing?

It's not a choice.  It's blackmail.

 

Since it is fact - the future "torture" part, I mean - why not heed the warning. Now and again you must heed a warning or two. so why not heed this one and save yourself from it?

[luckypyrate]

The Bible was written for everyone. In order to make it understandable, it had to be written in a way that was for the people who would read it.

Again, how do you know?  Your priest told you. I think it was written by stoned people who couldn't figure out what they were experiencing, so they gave it their best effort.

It obviously was not written with today's knowledge, so it shouldn't be used to make today's decisions.

 

You know I have to say I am so grateful that the people who penned the Bible had more foresight to keep the writing of the Bible timelessly understandable.  

Kind of makes you wonder why their Creator was so shortsighted when His word was so vague it became the basis for more bloodshed than any man, virus or natural disaster could ever hope to be.

Like I said before, now that the church has lost the ability to take a match to anyone speaking against them, their days are numbered.  

[BADecker]

I agree that some scientific review is fact. But much of it has been built of previous "IF" ideas.

That's how science works.  When I am making a theory on how diamonds are formed, I don't need to go and re-prove gravity. 

 

That's why many of the theories stay theories, if they don't pass from view completely. The homework was never done.

[Vod]

Since it is fact - the future "torture" part, I mean - why not heed the warning. Now and again you must heed a warning or two. so why not heed this one and save yourself from it?

It's not fact - it's written in the bible, in the age of ignorance.  We are 2,000 years more wiser now, and only the brainwashed still believe in a heaven or hell.

My beliefs are based on facts alone - no threats if I don't believe.

 

[Vod]

That's why many of the theories stay theories, if they don't pass from view completely. The homework was never done.

How many bible theories were ever proved?     How many hundreds have been disproved??

If we argue on who is right - my scientific knowledge or your bible fairy tales - you are going to lose every time.

 

[BADecker]

The Bible was written for everyone. In order to make it understandable, it had to be written in a way that was for the people who would read it.

Again, how do you know?  Your priest told you. I think it was written by stoned people who couldn't figure out what they were experiencing, so they gave it their best effort.

It obviously was not written with today's knowledge, so it shouldn't be used to make today's decisions.

 

You know I have to say I am so grateful that the people who penned the Bible had more foresight to keep the writing of the Bible timelessly understandable.  

Kind of makes you wonder why their Creator was so shortsighted when His word was so vague it became the basis for more bloodshed than any man, virus or natural disaster could ever hope to be.

Like I said before, now that the church has lost the ability to take a match to anyone speaking against them, their days are numbered.  

The earth is spiraling out of control regarding evil. Jesus is holding it as it is to save some. It is difficult to follow all the work He is going through to save some.

[Vod]

The earth is spiraling out of control regarding evil. Jesus is holding it as it is to save some. It is difficult to follow all the work He is going through to save some.

So with record numbers leaving the cult, you view every person that overcomes brainwashing as evil?  

Nice belief system you have there.  Thankfully it won't be around forever.

 

[Vod]

You know I have to say I am so grateful that the people who penned the Bible had more foresight to keep the writing of the Bible timelessly understandable.  

Kind of makes you wonder why their Creator was so shortsighted when His word was so vague it became the basis for more bloodshed than any man, virus or natural disaster could ever hope to be.

Like I said before, now that the church has lost the ability to take a match to anyone speaking against them, their days are numbered.  

Sorry your words get lost in this nonsense. I did say in my first post that arguing with brainwashed fools is difficult.  

I do agree with you about their days being numbered.  What you are seeing here is someone getting very desperate.

[BADecker]

Since it is fact - the future "torture" part, I mean - why not heed the warning. Now and again you must heed a warning or two. so why not heed this one and save yourself from it?

It's not fact - it's written in the bible, in the age of ignorance.  We are 2,000 years more wiser now, and only the brainwashed still believe in a heaven or hell.

My beliefs are based on facts alone - no threats if I don't believe.

 

Yet, in all your wisdom, you don't have a method for keeping yourself alive much more than a few years. One would think that if our age was so wise, they would have figured out how to live for a couple hundred years anyway.

[BADecker]

That's why many of the theories stay theories, if they don't pass from view completely. The homework was never done.

How many bible theories were ever proved?     How many hundreds have been disproved??

If we argue on who is right - my scientific knowledge or your bible fairy tales - you are going to lose every time.

 

You can't prove what doesn't exist. 

[Vod]

Yet, in all your wisdom, you don't have a method for keeping yourself alive much more than a few years. One would think that if our age was so wise, they would have figured out how to live for a couple hundred years anyway.

Ever heard of the dark ages?  A period of 400 years where most scientific study stopped thanks to your cult?

Had that not happened, we would know how to live forever already.

Thanks, idiot god.  

[Vod]

You can't prove what doesn't exist. 

Yet you are doing your best to brainwash me.  Won't work buddy - I'm too intelligent.   

[BADecker]

The earth is spiraling out of control regarding evil. Jesus is holding it as it is to save some. It is difficult to follow all the work He is going through to save some.

So with record numbers leaving the cult, you view every person that overcomes brainwashing as evil?  

Nice belief system you have there.  Thankfully it won't be around forever.

 

Unfortunately, science propagandizing is having some effect. Over the thousands of years, there was always something that propagandized people away from God. Mostly, it is the devil.

[luckypyrate]

Wow...that is amazing...I am going to end this conversation because, even by the testimony of your Jesus Christ, there is no man who knows the future.  There is no point in debating whether or not Jesus is cruising around the world in a Sport's Model waiting for the right time to come down in the clouds and take up His people, assuming the Muzzies don't nuke Him out of the sky first....

So just out of curiosity.  This came to me just recently and I want to get a real Christian opinion on this...

I was reflecting the other day on my kids, and how they are growing to learn the difference from right and wrong, moral value, empathy, etc.  It is a strong belief amongst the Christian folks that without God there could be no morality...

So the question is, how is it that children and even ancient tribes and even modern isolated tribes in the amazon and such have concepts of good and bad and right and wrong and have many of the 10 commandments, for example, understood as social norms without the need for a God framework.  

[Vod]

Unfortunately, science propagandizing is having some effect. Over the thousands of years, there was always something that propagandized people away from God. Mostly, it is the devil.

Mostly, it was people forcing other people to believe, or die.  I guess you could call those cult members the devil...

 

[BADecker]

Yet, in all your wisdom, you don't have a method for keeping yourself alive much more than a few years. One would think that if our age was so wise, they would have figured out how to live for a couple hundred years anyway.

Ever heard of the dark ages?  A period of 400 years where most scientific study stopped thanks to your cult?

Had that not happened, we would know how to live forever already.

Thanks, idiot god.  

Actually, we know how to live much longer. The part of it that is written for us is in the New Testament. Dying in Jesus is the way to rise to everlasting life.

[Vod]

It is a strong belief amongst the Christian folks that without God there could be no morality...

More brainwashing.

I don't believe in any god and I am extremely moral.  More so than Badecker for sure.  He can commit any crime and pray to his god for forgiveness.  I have to actually live with what I do.

 

[BADecker]

You can't prove what doesn't exist. 

Yet you are doing your best to brainwash me.  Won't work buddy - I'm too intelligent.   

Yeah, I know. The devil's got you already. But the fact that you are still alive suggests that there's still a chance...

[Vod]

Actually, we know how to live much longer. The part of it that is written for us is in the New Testament. Dying in Jesus is the way to rise to everlasting life.

Well, I'm talking actually living longer, not imaginary fairy tales.  Science.  Medicine.  The real stuff that keeps you and your family alive.  

Back in the day your bible was written people died by age 30.  Distancing ourselves from the christian god seems to be the best way to live longer.  And you don't have to worry about breaking some imaginary rule and spending eternity in hell.