The Treadmill of Atheism

[cryptodevil]

That's why many of the theories stay theories, if they don't pass from view completely. The homework was never done.

You do know that the word 'theory' in the scientific sense doesn't mean 'theory' in the general sense?

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation.

It isn't a theory in the general sense of, "Hey, I've a theory as to why Bob jumped off the cliff". A scientific theory, like the Theory of Evolution is something that is an accepted fact demonstrated by a multitude of observation and experimentation through multiple scientific fields of study yet, as all science should be, could be modified or replaced by new data.

When you Xtian fundies talk about Creationism (or it's devious modern mask of 'Intelligent Design') as being equally deserving a 'theory' as Evolution, you are misrepresenting what Creationism is as a theory compared to Evolution. Creationism is a myth dreamed up in human imagination and insisted upon by men in silly hats and frocks who told everyone to accept what they said was true solely because they were the ones saying it was true.

Whereas science can be performed by anyone to demonstrate whether what is being claimed as true, actually is.

Do you see the massive intellectual chasm between how the scientific method allows for everybody to objectively understand and even test for themselves if need be, why an accepted theory is correct, and the 'because I say so' appeal-to-authority of a bunch of old men living in a delusional state involving made-up special magical words and symbolic rituals.

[Vod]

Yeah, I know. The devil's got you already. But the fact that you are still alive suggests that there's still a chance...

Did your preacher tell you that?  Or did you gather than from your 2,000 year old book?  Can't be independent thought - your cult frowns on that.    

I will never go around threatening to kill people if they don't believe in a fairy tale.  Your devil don't have me.  

 

[BADecker]

Wow...that is amazing...I am going to end this conversation because, even by the testimony of your Jesus Christ, there is no man who knows the future.  There is no point in debating whether or not Jesus is cruising around the world in a Sport's Model waiting for the right time to come down in the clouds and take up His people, assuming the Muzzies don't nuke Him out of the sky first....

So just out of curiosity.  This came to me just recently and I want to get a real Christian opinion on this...

I was reflecting the other day on my kids, and how they are growing to learn the difference from right and wrong, moral value, empathy, etc.  It is a strong belief amongst the Christian folks that without God there could be no morality...

So the question is, how is it that children and even ancient tribes and even modern isolated tribes in the amazon and such have concepts of good and bad and right and wrong and have many of the 10 commandments, for example, understood as social norms without the need for a God framework.  

Morality was written on the heart of the first man in the beginning. It has been handed down through the genes, and through fetal life, to all people.

[BADecker]

Unfortunately, science propagandizing is having some effect. Over the thousands of years, there was always something that propagandized people away from God. Mostly, it is the devil.

Mostly, it was people forcing other people to believe, or die.  I guess you could call those cult members the devil...

 

Whatever the way, believing in God for salvation is a benefit for anyone.  

[Vod]

Morality was written on the heart of the first man in the beginning. It has been handed down through the genes, and through fetal life, to all people.

So now you are saying the 2,000 year old man had better morals than we do today?

Do I need to pull up the quote again where the rape victim is forced to marry her attacker?

Your god's morals are all fucked up.  Morals developed with society.  

Today it is illegal to have sex with a sexually mature 13 year old girl.  When your bible was written, they were already mothers.

Stop spewing brainwashed nonsense - you are losing.

 

[Lethn]

The whole point of being an Athiest or even Agnostic is admitting you don't know, that's why they can't and won't give an answer, because to simply make one up is extremely arrogant and misleading to people who are genuinely wanting to know the truth of the matter. So when I hear some prick going on about God and his only scientific evidence is a several thousand year old book which ignores the laws of physics on so many levels it amazes me that people somehow think that's okay yet having the integrity to admit you don't know something is somehow wrong.

We will find the answer eventually either way, it's just not that likely to happen in this century, especially when we haven't bothered with space flight yet, so you're just going to have to accept that instead of whining at Athiests to come up with an answer for you. Science aside, It wouldn't matter to me personally whether or not God existed, because going by the followers on here, he's nothing more than an oppressive cunt bent on the domination of sentient beings.

[luckypyrate]

you understand that the heart is nothing more than an organ that facilitates blood flow, right?  That whole written on the heart thing makes me giggle like a girl.  It is another example of meaningless theological babble that proves nothing.  You cannot refer to the Bible or anything written within it to prove the reality of what you claim is real.  If you cannot give me tangible observable empirical evidence than I am sorry we have nothing to talk about.

Your smug commentary thus far is quite proof that you already know you are beaten...

[BADecker]

That's why many of the theories stay theories, if they don't pass from view completely. The homework was never done.

You do know that the word 'theory' in the scientific sense doesn't mean 'theory' in the general sense?

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation.

It isn't a theory in the general sense of, "Hey, I've a theory as to why Bob jumped off the cliff". A scientific theory, like the Theory of Evolution is something that is an accepted fact demonstrated by a multitude of observation and experimentation through multiple scientific fields of study yet, as all science should be, could be modified or replaced by new data.

When you Xtian fundies talk about Creationism (or it's devious modern mask of 'Intelligent Design') as being equally deserving a 'theory' as Evolution, you are misrepresenting what Creationism is as a theory compared to Evolution. Creationism is a myth dreamed up in human imagination and insisted upon by men in silly hats and frocks who told everyone to accept what they said was true solely because they were the ones saying it was true.

Whereas science can be performed by anyone to demonstrate whether what is being claimed as true, actually is.

Do you see the massive intellectual chasm between how the scientific method allows for everybody to objectively understand and even test for themselves if need be, why an accepted theory is correct, and the 'because I say so' appeal-to-authority of a bunch of old men living in a delusional state involving made-up special magical words and symbolic rituals.

And this is the exact reason that the Theory of Evolution is no longer scientific theory.

[Vod]

Whatever the way, believing in God for salvation is a benefit for anyone.  

Why?  When you die, you're dead.  No matter what you believe in.

How does it benefit someone to think they can have a second chance to right things in your heaven?

Because I don't believe in a god, I have to treat people right here and now.  

 

[luckypyrate]

The whole point of being an Athiest or even Agnostic is admitting you don't know, that's why they can't and won't give an answer, because to simply make one up is extremely arrogant and misleading to people who are genuinely wanting to know the truth of the matter. So when I hear some prick going on about God and his only scientific evidence is a several thousand year old book which ignores the laws of physics on so many levels it amazes me that people somehow think that's okay yet having the integrity to admit you don't know something is somehow wrong.

We will find the answer eventually either way, it's just not that likely to happen in this century, especially when we haven't bothered with space flight yet, so you're just going to have to accept that instead of whining at Athiests to come up with an answer for you.

I do love how those of us supporting observable fact are the ones who are responsible for providing evidence against their made up perspectives...

[Vod]

And this is the exact reason that the Theory of Evolution is no longer scientific theory.

Ah, so it is just "of Evolution"?     You just called it a theory yourself.

TRY STANDING UP TO YOUR PRIEST!  Call out BULLSHIT when he starts teling you things like this!

 

[cryptodevil]

And this is the exact reason that the Theory of Evolution is no longer scientific theory.

ROFL! Sure, go on, let's have the link that proves Evolution has been thrown out as THE scientific explanation.

Proof or it didn't happen.

[luckypyrate]

And this is the exact reason that the Theory of Evolution is no longer scientific theory.

ROFL! Sure, go on, let's have the link that proves Evolution has been thrown out as THE scientific explanation.

Proof or it didn't happen.

His Uncle Priest told him so.

[Lethn]

We should be ignoring them, but unfortunately these morons make up a good percentage of the population and will try to preach their bullshit to anyone naive enough to pay attention.

[Vod]

We should be ignoring them, but unfortunately these morons make up a good percentage of the country and will try to preach their bullshit to anyone naive enough to pay attention.

Luckily, their numbers are dropping. 

[Lethn]

lol yes thank fuck, it's all thanks to hateful crazies like Badecker

[luckypyrate]

We should be ignoring them, but unfortunately these morons make up a good percentage of the country and will try to preach their bullshit to anyone naive enough to pay attention.

Yeah it really made me think twice about our Republican government system (the way it should be, not the way it is) when you consider the only qualification you need to vote is to be 18...*shivers*

[Lethn]

We should be ignoring them, but unfortunately these morons make up a good percentage of the country and will try to preach their bullshit to anyone naive enough to pay attention.

Yeah it really made me think twice about our Republican government system (the way it should be, not the way it is) when you consider the only qualification you need to vote is to be 18...*shivers*

If the voting age was lowered to 13 the Republicans would be irrelevant and that's a fact.

[BADecker]

Morality was written on the heart of the first man in the beginning. It has been handed down through the genes, and through fetal life, to all people.

So now you are saying the 2,000 year old man had better morals than we do today?

Do I need to pull up the quote again where the rape victim is forced to marry her attacker?

Your god's morals are all fucked up.  Morals developed with society.  

Today it is illegal to have sex with a sexually mature 13 year old girl.  When your bible was written, they were already mothers.

Stop spewing brainwashed nonsense - you are losing.

 

I'm sure that entropy has removed a lot of the clarity of the natural law written on our hearts. But it is still there, just like the genetic code is still there allowing us to propagate.

For the time, and under the circumstances mentioned, rape victim marriage was the best solution.

Have you ever noticed that people are becoming sexually aware these days, at a much younger age than they did years ago? Personally, I think it is because we are entering the final ages of where we will be able to propagate, because of entropy. This would indicate that the time of Jesus' return is near.

[luckypyrate]

Yeah I don't know.  I like the theory of people being able to take care of themselves without government mommy's and daddies anymore but then I look around...like here...and realize I am just as looney as these funyons if I believe that could ever happen.  

And that is a good point to what someone said before about what difference does it make what someone believes.

It means a lot.  It means, even subliminally, there are decisions that people who believe Christ is coming on the tail end of a mushroom cloud that are just waiting--perhaps even yearning for--the doom to kick off so their Messiah can come take them home.