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November 05, 2014, 09:17:53 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ldjk7/hello_rbitcoin_im_patrick_murck_executive/

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Thanks for all the great questions. I have to go now but will check back to answer any burning questions. Hope to do this again soon.

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I just took the time to read all the comments to date to see if a certain concern had been addressed, opting to not search the page.

Sadly, it had not, but at least I was amused with all the softball questions that I can't help myself from thinking some were contrived beforehand to control the narrative.

KnC Miner.

KnC Miner and The Bitcoin Foundation are on record in stating that the former paid the $100K USD fee to become a Platinum Member of TBF. TBF ONLY accepts memberships fees via a dedicated bitcoin wallet address, but said fee amount is nowhere to be found.

In spite of all the scuttlebutt on BitcoinTalk, TBF had yet to address concerns about said payment, in spite of such being an important issue at the time due to now/then KnC gaining unique voting rights for the then upcoming elections for vacated board seats in which Bobby Lee and Brock Pierce won.

Question: Where's the proof that KnC Miner truly did pay for their Platinum Member to join The Bitcoin Foundation, given that such is no state secret because bitcoins were supposed to be used and full-transparency is what TBF adheres to?

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Hi Bruno.

I double-checked and we sent KNC Miner an invoice via BitPay for $100,000 USD (Platinum Membership price), which they paid timely.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ldjk7/hello_rbitcoin_im_patrick_murck_executive/cltxn70

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That is great! Now, show us the tx on the blockchain, since such is going to be disclosed anyway come tax time, you might as well show us said proof now to quell further discontent.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ldjk7/hello_rbitcoin_im_patrick_murck_executive/cltz9ww

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Still waiting on a reply to my followup reply to the KnC $100K USD issue, Pat.

Here's the link to the 5 month old thread on this very subject: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=621770.0

And, with following that last request, Patrick Murck immediately logs off, posting what I quoted at the top of this post in 20pt bold red font.

Since I now believe 100% in my mind that The Bitcoin Foundation is hiding something and acting nefariously, I demand a full investigation into their books by whatever three-letter agency is responsible for said investigation, with the FTC now fully aware of what the hell is or isn't going on there thanks to the hashtag #ASKFTC.

Thanks to TBF and BFL involving BitPay, it looks more and more like at least a hundred million dollars has been laundered via BTC from and to who-knows-where, with The Bitcoin Foundation smack in the middle of its happenings, hence formally requesting a full investigation.

We grunts on the ground have put in tremendous efforts to advance this beautiful invention. For what! I'll tell you for what. For sleazy bastards to line their pockets via a new form of currency under the auspices that the old form is bad, now putting a sleazy lawyer at the helm of the quasi-official voice of Bitcoin - The Bitcoin Foundation - to further advance said lining, all the while scratching their bald heads wondering why the fuck they're so disliked, having nary a clue.

All TBF had to do was show definitive proof that KnC Miner did indeed pay the $100K USD fee to become a Platinum Member of TBF the day before voting in new board members, but after today, plus five-months-plus of asking - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=621770.0 - the issue is no closer to being resolved than when it was first addressed. No wonder most the venerable bitcoiners have distanced themselves from TBF, for they know firsthand that something extremely is amiss at Camp TBF.

With that, I'm going to ask one motherfuckin' more time before I go full-ballistic on the various boards: Where's the fuckin' media articles on this travesty, already late to the game going on six months now?

~Bruno Kucinskas

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November 05, 2014, 09:27:50 PM
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With that, I'm going to ask one motherfuckin' more time before I go full-ballistic on the various boards: Where's the fuckin' media articles on this travesty,
~Bruno Kucinskas
It is high time for some accountability.  Give them hell.  All of us benefit from outing the cheats.  KnC is a nightmare for the bitcoin community.  They need to be held to account.  We are all pulling for you Bruno - keep up the good work.
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November 05, 2014, 09:34:05 PM
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With that, I'm going to ask one motherfuckin' more time before I go full-ballistic on the various boards: Where's the fuckin' media articles on this travesty,
~Bruno Kucinskas
It is high time for some accountability.  Give them hell.  All of us benefit from outing the cheats.  KnC is a nightmare for the bitcoin community.  They need to be held to account.  We are all pulling for you Bruno - keep up the good work.

Thanks, bud. BTW, did it read like I was truly pissed?

Proof, that Patrick Murck signed off after realizing that he no longer controlled his little fuckin' softball game.



But not before posting a link to a Conan video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd19SboRhVY



This motherfucker is so far removed from reality, his sleazy ass should be immediately removed from The Bitcoin Foundation, for it's clearly seen that he's doing everything in his power to NOT change course after hitting rocks after rocks after rocks... With today's action being the final straw that broke its motherfuckin' bow (or is it stern?).

~Bruno Kucinskas

#ASKFTC

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November 05, 2014, 10:12:16 PM
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https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/530049767578279936

Well, ain't that motherfuckin' special!

You want to hide $100K USD from us, no motherfuckin' problem. Hide it from us all you want. But, as any motherfuckin' lawyer worth his salt should be well-aware is that there's some entities you will having trouble hiding $100K USD from.

For shits and giggles, here's my favorite hashtag - AGAIN!: #ASKFTC

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November 05, 2014, 10:25:34 PM
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That is great! Now, show us the tx on the blockchain, since such is going to be disclosed anyway come tax time, you might as well show us said proof now to quell further discontent.

Just so you know, BitPay's systems don't give txid's to their clients.  You a probably asking for something they don't have.

If you do a bit of research you can find what information is given by BitPay's api here;-

https://bitpay.com/api

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November 05, 2014, 10:50:23 PM
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But, as any motherfuckin' lawyer worth his salt should be well-aware is that there's some entities you will having trouble hiding $100K USD from.

or maybe they all just work together..
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November 05, 2014, 11:29:26 PM
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But, as any motherfuckin' lawyer worth his salt should be well-aware is that there's some entities you will having trouble hiding $100K USD from.

or maybe they all just work together..

To what end?  I would seriously like to know, at the moment this just seems like a pointless accusation.

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November 06, 2014, 12:14:28 AM
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That is great! Now, show us the tx on the blockchain, since such is going to be disclosed anyway come tax time, you might as well show us said proof now to quell further discontent.

Just so you know, BitPay's systems don't give txid's to their clients.  You a probably asking for something they don't have.

If you do a bit of research you can find what information is given by BitPay's api here;-

https://bitpay.com/api

I'm taking about the bitcoin wallet address that was used by KnC Miner to send $100K USD worth of BTC to The Bitcoin Foundation via BitPay. TBF provided a singular BWA depicting ALL the monies they receive(d) for transparency purposes, but that BWA DID NOT increase $100K USD worth of BTC prior to nor since KnC Miner supposedly became a Platinum Member of TBF.

That's what The Bitcoin Foundation has been avoiding to show proof of since day one it was formally requested by literally hundred-plus bitcoiners, and today was the day that that issue was to be resolved by Patrick, but thanks to his infinite wisdom he opted to cease the AMA directly after the subject was brought up - by me - only barely addressing the concern. That was a 100% snakish act, hence calling them out as a scam until they prove such is not the case otherwise.

This motherfuckin' shit stops right here, right now! The fuckin' game is over, and every motherfucker not playing even my their self-imposed rules WILL BE FUCKIN' CALLED OUT!

I, among others, are fuckin' sick and tired of seeing the very people that we've bestowed trust in to come here and treat us like Goddamn assholes. Well, since I'm goin' to be treated like an asshole, I might as well play the part.


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November 06, 2014, 12:29:20 AM
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I'm taking about the bitcoin wallet address that was used by KnC Miner to send $100K USD worth of BTC to The Bitcoin Foundation via BitPay.

I get that.  What I am saying is that BitPay don't give that information to people who use their system, did you even check out how their system works before you asked?

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November 06, 2014, 12:42:04 AM
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Proof, that Patrick Murck signed off after realizing that he no longer controlled his little fuckin' softball game.




That's unnecessarily vague, it makes me ask is it either

a) They have proof of the transaction but have decided not to share it. That would be a policy level decision to ignore the community, as such as it is represented by Gleb asking a pretty simple question. Why would they want to take such an opaque stance?

b) They don't have definite proof to offer, which in turn means
1) It didn't happen, the membership was never paid for and they ^^ are prepared to straight out lie about it
2) It did happen, but they can't provide proof because there is none to provide? If Bitpay can't or won't provide that info, is there any other way it could be done satisfactorily?




  


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November 06, 2014, 01:32:03 AM
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Does TBF USA have one address where they accept all membership payments? Do they make public all donations and payments' (aside from the KNC Miner payment) addresses? If so can someone please post those addresses please.
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November 06, 2014, 01:34:31 AM
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Does TBF USA have one address where they accept all membership payments? Do they make public all donations and payments' (aside from the KNC Miner payment) addresses? If so can someone please post those addresses please.
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No,  they process all of their due's using bitpay.  Bitpay tell their clients if the bill has been paid and gives over the money/bitcoin.

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November 06, 2014, 01:46:44 AM
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Does TBF USA have one address where they accept all membership payments? Do they make public all donations and payments' (aside from the KNC Miner payment) addresses? If so can someone please post those addresses please.
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November 06, 2014, 01:50:52 AM
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That is great! Now, show us the tx on the blockchain, since such is going to be disclosed anyway come tax time, you might as well show us said proof now to quell further discontent.

Just so you know, BitPay's systems don't give txid's to their clients.  You a probably asking for something they don't have.

If you do a bit of research you can find what information is given by BitPay's api here;-

https://bitpay.com/api

I thought TBF only accepted donations in BTC? Then why the bitpay?

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681965.0
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November 06, 2014, 01:58:24 AM
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I thought TBF only accepted donations in BTC? Then why the bitpay?

While they only accept bitcoins in payment they also do need fiat, bitpay is a convenient way of taking bitcoins and getting cash or bitcoins of both.

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November 06, 2014, 02:10:31 AM
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That's unnecessarily vague, it makes me ask is it either

a) They have proof of the transaction but have decided not to share it. That would be a policy level decision to ignore the community, as such as it is represented by Gleb asking a pretty simple question. Why would they want to take such an opaque stance?

b) They don't have definite proof to offer, which in turn means
1) It didn't happen, the membership was never paid for and they ^^ are prepared to straight out lie about it
2) It did happen, but they can't provide proof because there is none to provide? If Bitpay can't or won't provide that info, is there any other way it could be done satisfactorily?

If KnC used Bitpay, shouldn't BitPay have sent dollars to the Foundation, rather than bitcoin?  (But TBF promised to take only bitcoins, didn't they?)

Could it be that KnC paid the invoice "timely" well after the election?

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November 06, 2014, 02:38:18 AM
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If KnC used Bitpay, shouldn't BitPay have sent dollars to the Foundation, rather than bitcoin?  (But TBF promised to take only bitcoins, didn't they?)

Using bitpay enables the to only take bitcoin and receive the funds in whatever currency they choose.  They only accept bitcoins but they still need fiat.

Could it be that KnC paid the invoice "timely" well after the election?

What are you insinuating?  That KnC miner paid the fee for voting rights in the industry board election?  That is not an exactly shocking revelation, that is why organisations pay their fees.  You will find it on the website.

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That's unnecessarily vague, it makes me ask is it either

a) They have proof of the transaction but have decided not to share it. That would be a policy level decision to ignore the community, as such as it is represented by Gleb asking a pretty simple question. Why would they want to take such an opaque stance?

b) They don't have definite proof to offer, which in turn means
1) It didn't happen, the membership was never paid for and they ^^ are prepared to straight out lie about it
2) It did happen, but they can't provide proof because there is none to provide? If Bitpay can't or won't provide that info, is there any other way it could be done satisfactorily?

If KnC used Bitpay, shouldn't BitPay have sent dollars to the Foundation, rather than bitcoin?  (But TBF promised to take only bitcoins, didn't they?)

Could it be that KnC paid the invoice "timely" well after the election?




Sure they did, just like KnC promised to not mine, thus looking out for their customer base, TBF promised to ONLY accept BTC, till they took a gander at somebody else's playbook that is.

At 54 years old, I may have turned into a kook, but I can still motherefuckin' see, and that looks like to me they NOW accept credit cards. Fuck, these bastards could be the foundation for some bartering entity but accept credit cards to help fill their coffer so that they can better advance the movement of how bartering oppose to credit card transactions will benefit the world.  Roll Eyes

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November 06, 2014, 02:51:31 AM
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If KnC used Bitpay, shouldn't BitPay have sent dollars to the Foundation, rather than bitcoin?  (But TBF promised to take only bitcoins, didn't they?)
Using bitpay enables the to only take bitcoin and receive the funds in whatever currency they choose.  They only accept bitcoins but they still need fiat.

But what is the sense and point of saying "we only accept bitcoin" if they use Bitpay?  To accept bitcoin they don't need BitPay.  If they use BitPay they receive dollars, not bitcoins.  No?

It would make sense if they received bitcoins from members and THEN used BitPay to pay their expenses.

Could it be that KnC paid the invoice "timely" well after the election?
What are you insinuating?  That KnC miner paid the fee for voting rights in the industry board election?

I wonder whether thay paid the fee (if they did) before or after they voted as Platinum Member.

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November 06, 2014, 02:52:01 AM
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If KnC used Bitpay, shouldn't BitPay have sent dollars to the Foundation, rather than bitcoin?  (But TBF promised to take only bitcoins, didn't they?)

Using bitpay enables the to only take bitcoin and receive the funds in whatever currency they choose.  They only accept bitcoins but they still need fiat.

Could it be that KnC paid the invoice "timely" well after the election?

What are you insinuating?  That KnC miner paid the fee for voting rights in the industry board election?  That is not an exactly shocking revelation, that is why organisations pay their fees.  You will find it on the website.

A possible another reason they waiting till the final hour to disclosed exactly when KnC paid, if they did, so that they'll have plenty of time to pen the legalese disclaimer as to why such-and-such occurred as it did.

Can't these motherfuckers even see how this issue ONLY is tearing them apart, and it's been going on for over five months now.

Today's AMA was billed as..............

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