Cloud Mining - Please help a newbie

[winspiral]

But there are lot of true cloud mining services available for us to get benefits with them.

No, there are not a lot of genuine cloud mining operations. Most 'cloud mining' sites are ponzi scams or, at best, fractional mining ponzi scams.

or invest for free in my system "about U2cloudmining site"
you can be sure never loose.You can only earn more or earn less...but never loose.

But if they go with your normal investing ... they can loose.  The number invested compared to payout unless it has changed massivly would suggest a lot of people on your system still have not made back investment - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=852857.msg13928830#msg13928830  Feel free to update numbers as it's been a while since you released that set.  But I don't see profit being made still.

Offering some "free" does not make up for other ponzi type investment that loses money.  Why do you continue to post this "u2 cloud"?  

*Editing post due to length look above for full post.


Investors for cash have so far not get back all their investment.
If you do math they never will from numbers you put out.  Just your U2 is not powerful enough to pull it off.   A investment where seller knows you likely will not make profit and hides this info is normally considered ponzi.

it's a long term investment...
In real life,it takes sometimes over 20 years to get back the investment with profit.
This is not a standard investment like a stock.  Crypto investments espically on miners are fast and high risk/high reward.  Do you warn investors your fine with it taking 20 years?  No mining system that mentions 20 as justification would get any investors.

Many investors for "real satoshi" are not in a hurry to be paid back...they even re invest or claim for free...they could sell shares if they would.
Come on.... investors not in a hurry to get paid back? Ask them if they want paid back tomorrow I bet they would say heck yes.  Who will they sell these shares to? They will take a loss as your entire system is not held very high on respect.

I agree...so far I have not paid back more than people have invested for real I could be a scammer.
I agree that if one sees how much I offer profit it could be taken for a ponzi.
Yes without paying back investors for so long.... it is seem as ponzi and most consider you a scammer.  The numbers you released with U2 mining just do not equal long term profits.  Your profits with difficulty changes only go down.   It appears you will never pay back investors.   So I think that is why you have a scammer tag.

Put thoughts on some of above rambling above.  My words are ones not bolded.

I just see and understand that you have understood absolutly nothing about my system.
You are the same kind of people who "red trusted" me.

All people who have taken the risk to invest real satoshi in my system have understood that it can take long time to get profit.
That know that they are now more or less owner of the system.
They have taken risk,but believe me less risk than me,because I have spent more cash and more time to create this system.

20 years was of course just an example.

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[notlist3d]

*note edited look above for full post it just is getting very long.

I just see and understand that you have understood absolutly nothing about my system.
You are the same kind of people who "red trusted" me.

All people who have taken the risk to invest real satoshi in my system have understood that it can take long time to get profit.
That know that they are now more or less owner of the system.
They have taken risk,but believe me less risk than me,because I have spent more cash and more time to create this system.

20 years was of course just an example.

I have not negged you as I do not have a stake in it. I understand numbers, and I got the numbers from you.   So far you have paid very little of your invested amount.  I am not making stuff up like you try to make it sound.


And I got numbers from you...  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=852857.msg13847251#msg13847251

Total accounts:212 accounts.
Total claimed for free:0.00746222 BTC
Total invested:0.36640338 BTC
Total pending investment:0.3315961577 BTC
Total pending payout:0.0115563416 BTC
Total payout:0.04682193 BTC
Number of buying:1292 times
Number of selling:16 times.
Number of re-invest:4 times.
Selling bonus:82%
Claiming bonus:1.01547987616%
Re-invest bonus:100.923076923%

You have paid .046 at that time and not paid .33 so a HUGE amount not paid.   I consider it ponzi if you put money in and it never comes out.  My hope is I prevent new money from coming into your "cloud" investment until you pay much more of what you already owe.

[CryingMidget]

*note edited look above for full post it just is getting very long.

I just see and understand that you have understood absolutly nothing about my system.
You are the same kind of people who "red trusted" me.

All people who have taken the risk to invest real satoshi in my system have understood that it can take long time to get profit.
That know that they are now more or less owner of the system.
They have taken risk,but believe me less risk than me,because I have spent more cash and more time to create this system.

20 years was of course just an example.

I have not negged you as I do not have a stake in it. I understand numbers, and I got the numbers from you.   So far you have paid very little of your invested amount.  I am not making stuff up like you try to make it sound.


And I got numbers from you...  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=852857.msg13847251#msg13847251

Total accounts:212 accounts.
Total claimed for free:0.00746222 BTC
Total invested:0.36640338 BTC
Total pending investment:0.3315961577 BTC
Total pending payout:0.0115563416 BTC
Total payout:0.04682193 BTC
Number of buying:1292 times
Number of selling:16 times.
Number of re-invest:4 times.
Selling bonus:82%
Claiming bonus:1.01547987616%
Re-invest bonus:100.923076923%

You have paid .046 at that time and not paid .33 so a HUGE amount not paid.   I consider it ponzi if you put money in and it never comes out.  My hope is I prevent new money from coming into your "cloud" investment until you pay much more of what you already owe.

For  cloud mining you really need to research the company.  Sadly there are a lot of scam's out there. Its really does not take long to get it down to a small few that I personally would trust. As a general rule if it sounds to good to be true chances are it is.

[notlist3d]

*note edited look above for full post it just is getting very long.

I just see and understand that you have understood absolutly nothing about my system.
You are the same kind of people who "red trusted" me.

All people who have taken the risk to invest real satoshi in my system have understood that it can take long time to get profit.
That know that they are now more or less owner of the system.
They have taken risk,but believe me less risk than me,because I have spent more cash and more time to create this system.

20 years was of course just an example.

I have not negged you as I do not have a stake in it. I understand numbers, and I got the numbers from you.   So far you have paid very little of your invested amount.  I am not making stuff up like you try to make it sound.


And I got numbers from you...  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=852857.msg13847251#msg13847251

Total accounts:212 accounts.
Total claimed for free:0.00746222 BTC
Total invested:0.36640338 BTC
Total pending investment:0.3315961577 BTC
Total pending payout:0.0115563416 BTC
Total payout:0.04682193 BTC
Number of buying:1292 times
Number of selling:16 times.
Number of re-invest:4 times.
Selling bonus:82%
Claiming bonus:1.01547987616%
Re-invest bonus:100.923076923%

You have paid .046 at that time and not paid .33 so a HUGE amount not paid.   I consider it ponzi if you put money in and it never comes out.  My hope is I prevent new money from coming into your "cloud" investment until you pay much more of what you already owe.

For  cloud mining you really need to research the company.  Sadly there are a lot of scam's out there. Its really does not take long to get it down to a small few that I personally would trust. As a general rule if it sounds to good to be true chances are it is.

I honestly think he forgot he posted those numbers himself.  As in another thread he asked me where I got numbers.  But above is a perfect example of why cloud mining get's a bad name.  In his own numbers he has paid 9 percent of invested money back.   That is HORRIBLE for investors less then 1/10 on initial investments overall.

There are legit cloud mining systems like hashnest that people can use.  Now no profit is guareneteed but you at least stand a fair chance with hardware being real and company not being a argued ponzi.

And I could be wrong I don't know all of his investment as he talks in circles.  I just think if you mention u2cloud... most will assume cloud due to name.  Also paying out less than 10 percent in released numbers is crazy horrible for an investment.

[Angelina Jolie]

Cloud Mining is a purely ponzi scheme in which if you are the early investors you can make ROI but after some time when their target is achieving they will start all sorts of schemes and start to accumulate the investments from users and then one final day they will stop with excuses.

What is your thought about Genesis Mining? Do they really have the hash power that they are selling with extravagant ad campaigns?

[winspiral]

*note edited look above for full post it just is getting very long.

I just see and understand that you have understood absolutly nothing about my system.
You are the same kind of people who "red trusted" me.

All people who have taken the risk to invest real satoshi in my system have understood that it can take long time to get profit.
That know that they are now more or less owner of the system.
They have taken risk,but believe me less risk than me,because I have spent more cash and more time to create this system.

20 years was of course just an example.

I have not negged you as I do not have a stake in it. I understand numbers, and I got the numbers from you.   So far you have paid very little of your invested amount.  I am not making stuff up like you try to make it sound.


And I got numbers from you...  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=852857.msg13847251#msg13847251

Total accounts:212 accounts.
Total claimed for free:0.00746222 BTC
Total invested:0.36640338 BTC
Total pending investment:0.3315961577 BTC
Total pending payout:0.0115563416 BTC
Total payout:0.04682193 BTC
Number of buying:1292 times
Number of selling:16 times.
Number of re-invest:4 times.
Selling bonus:82%
Claiming bonus:1.01547987616%
Re-invest bonus:100.923076923%

You have paid .046 at that time and not paid .33 so a HUGE amount not paid.   I consider it ponzi if you put money in and it never comes out.  My hope is I prevent new money from coming into your "cloud" investment until you pay much more of what you already owe.

For  cloud mining you really need to research the company.  Sadly there are a lot of scam's out there. Its really does not take long to get it down to a small few that I personally would trust. As a general rule if it sounds to good to be true chances are it is.

I honestly think he forgot he posted those numbers himself.  As in another thread he asked me where I got numbers.  But above is a perfect example of why cloud mining get's a bad name.  In his own numbers he has paid 9 percent of invested money back.   That is HORRIBLE for investors less then 1/10 on initial investments overall.

There are legit cloud mining systems like hashnest that people can use.  Now no profit is guareneteed but you at least stand a fair chance with hardware being real and company not being a argued ponzi.

And I could be wrong I don't know all of his investment as he talks in circles.  I just think if you mention u2cloud... most will assume cloud due to name.  Also paying out less than 10 percent in released numbers is crazy horrible for an investment.

you are not serious Sir...
you talk about 9 percent and you do not talk for how long...
Do not forget that the system is free and the investors have been free to invest more for "not free"
You have not to blame the system,but perhaps the investors.
Now,it is not possible to invest "from your wallet",but only from your pending payout balance.
Tell me why people keep up re-investing in my U2cloudmining system?
Do you believe that all my investors are "idiots"?
Do you believe that the members who daily claim and trade are compleat idiots?they claim because they earn on my "kind of faucet" more than on many other ones.

My "genious" (lol) system is market regulated...this means that the earning is market regulated and the earning is regulated by the claimers themselves.
earning + fun to trade is enough interesting to keep up earning...
You can not go against this...the market is stronger than you...(lol)
You can talk abour 9 percent "out of context" so much you want...people who participe at my U2cloudmining systen know their situation because they have an "account"...and what members and no members can see is an over view on all accounts toguether.They can compare own performance to general performance.

[socks435]

Honestly i don't trust any cloudmining like your winspiral site or any investment site.. because most of them are scam..
Even you will be have many people attract from your site i will never convince for it.. because why you are giving a free earnings to investors.. what is the purpose..?

[winspiral]

Honestly i don't trust any cloudmining like your winspiral site or any investment site.. because most of them are scam..
Even you will be have many people attract from your site i will never convince for it.. because why you are giving a free earnings to investors.. what is the purpose..?

Thanks at least a good question:

My purpose is almost behind me...my purpose was programming the system.
Do not believe it is from my pocket all the satoshi given away.
The satoshi given away come from advertising and referrer commission.

Total accounts:263 accounts.
Total value claimed for free:0.01134006 BTC
Total value invested:0.40085785 BTC
Total value pending investment:0.2150680658 BTC
Total value VIP shares:0.00167335 BTC

(total value VIP shares + total value pending investment)=0.2167414158 BTC

Total pending payout:0.0166873823 BTC
Total payout:0.21531855 BTC

Honnestly...all is now free...
if I scam people...and go away with the "cash" I can just go away with pending investment and pending payout and this is 0.23 BTC or si...

Do you believe that after over 20 years as webmaster on the net,I will start scamming for a quater of btc?

[Albert Hamilton]

if I scam people...and go away with the "cash" I can just go away with pending investment and pending payout and this is 0.23 BTC or si...

Do you believe that after over 20 years as webmaster on the net,I will start scamming for a quater of btc?

How does anyone verify whether you are someone with 20 years of webmaster experience or a 20 something student dying to scam someone for 0.23 BTC?

[winspiral]

if I scam people...and go away with the "cash" I can just go away with pending investment and pending payout and this is 0.23 BTC or si...

Do you believe that after over 20 years as webmaster on the net,I will start scamming for a quater of btc?

How does anyone verify whether you are someone with 20 years of webmaster experience or a 20 something student dying to scam someone for 0.23 BTC?

google is your friend (lol)
thanks for the compliment...about the 20 something student...I'm 64 (lol)

[pujumba]

i think cloud mining is not profitable at all because you can only get profit if you buy a lot of hash to make profit in the next 2  and 3 months , well at least for me cloud mine is just waste of time , all the time you are cloud mining , you are paying  more for the coin, than buy the coin from some exchange

[notlist3d]

i thin cloud mining is not profitable at all because you can only get profit if you buy a lot of hash to make profit in the next 2  and 3 months , well at least for me cloud mine is just waste of time , all the time you are cloud mining , you are paying  more for the coin, than buy the coin from some exchange

I would suggest for most to avoid cloud mining, there are to many scams out there.  Almost all cloud mining sites are to good to be true. They do tricks like show profit without adding in difficulty change.   Pay back extremely slow on many invstments, if at all.

If I was wanting to mine I would buy a S7 with coupon right now send it to a legit hosting center.  You get to mine with it for as long as you want (and it's profitable) and one day you have a miner to sell which is nice little bump if you have a lot of them.

[XodhvdjI]

Nowadays, mining of any kind isn't that profitable to begin with in my humble opinion. That is simply just based on the progression of Bitcoin and how far we've come. You might have more luck in simply just working for BTC and making investments here and there.

[BitcoinSupremo]

Cloud Mining is a purely ponzi scheme in which if you are the early investors you can make ROI but after some time when their target is achieving they will start all sorts of schemes and start to accumulate the investments from users and then one final day they will stop with excuses.

What is your thought about Genesis Mining? Do they really have the hash power that they are selling with extravagant ad campaigns?

Maybe they do, but the problem with them as I already have explained here several times is that, if you buy a lifetime contract with them, they pay for you for 2-3 months, and then with the excuse of difficulty increase they shut down your miner and tell you that if you had a miner at home which is not profitable, normally you would shut it down. Now you lost quite a lot here, in this point of view Genesis-Mining is the biggest scam of mining history in my opinion.

[vurasasog]

It is better not do cloud mining for a newbie. From the past experience, most cloud mining site will not earn us money.

[notlist3d]

It is better not do cloud mining for a newbie. From the past experience, most cloud mining site will not earn us money.

Mining never guarantees profit though so cloud or in person that is just a fact.  You do your homework and see what your chances are at ROI, and try it if you are willing to risk it.   

But if you are looking at cloud go somewhere you know will not take money and run like hashnest, they are the go to I send people that want to cloud mine.  Also I like to suggest buying miners such as S7 and getting it hosted somewhere.  You can own the gear this way and even pic your hosting center.  But again no guarantee of ROI, that is nature of mining.

[Amph]

Nowadays, mining of any kind isn't that profitable to begin with in my humble opinion. That is simply just based on the progression of Bitcoin and how far we've come. You might have more luck in simply just working for BTC and making investments here and there.

it depend if you have free energy with solar panel for example, it would be worth it to play with mining on a casual farm nothing big

every mienr out there with free energy would be profitable, roi is not even a problem

current asic antminer s7 can roi in 3 months with free energy, gpu the same

[hantonetwork]

I think cloud mining is good for long term, but we must search reputable and good cloud mining

[bhantom]

I think cloud mining is good for long term, but we must search reputable and good cloud mining

There is onlu one reputable and good cloud mining - HashNest.com

In next few days they should relase S9 , so next "safari" will begin..

[vurasasog]

I think cloud mining is good for long term, but we must search reputable and good cloud mining

There is onlu one reputable and good cloud mining - HashNest.com

In next few days they should relase S9 , so next "safari" will begin..

The S9 has been released and sold out very quickly. But I think it is better just to buy the bitcoin to invest.