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November 10, 2014, 02:11:30 PM
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I have said this for a while.. cross referencing is a bitch guys LOL

I told guys many years ago bragging about being bullet proof file sharing behind VPN's
and i laughed at TOR and said it was stupid across the web all along and i have told you all here you just don't get it.

The NSA etc just laugh at you Anon cheerleaders and takes any of you they want at will.
see recent story on Silk Road 2.0 + 400 dark web sites being taken down with an undisclosed method lol

So your wasting your time with these anon gimmick coins.. they won't work !

Back in 2008 i seen a story from DSLReports by accident that had American guys talking about doing trace routes
and what they found was the first hop was to a US govt. DOD back bone server.. DOD = Dept. Of Defense
I checked my own Canadian ISP and well well wouldn't ya know it mine landed on a DOD server to on the first hop from the ISP hahahha
and that was THEN !
i am sure they have expanded etc.

I have theorized basically they can simply seize control of the starting point and the ending point, then cross reference that and have you and all that you hide.
So the anon crap in the middle means nothing.. a false sense of security is all it is.
Hypothetically they could tag your packets on the back bone with an id or something then wait for that id to pop up later on ..and bam they got ya.

As a cracker i know damn well what reverse engineering is about.. we have to specialize in finding a vulnerability and exploiting it.
and the crackers mantra is.. "If it runs it can be cracked"

The very concept of software patching proves my point.
You can have the world toughest protection systems in place that would take half a billion years to brute force
but a 1 byte nop in the right place patching can render it cracked wide open.. i know i have done it.. and LOTS !

So ?

Don't invest your life savings in Anon coins guys Wink

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November 10, 2014, 02:31:37 PM
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Spoetnik, what have you cracked recently?
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November 10, 2014, 02:33:05 PM
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Spoetnik, what have you cracked recently?

His IQ, in half.
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November 10, 2014, 02:37:31 PM
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His IQ, in half.
Lol!
Could you please expand on how this applies to obfuscating tools and protocols, such as Darkwallet and Zerocash?  

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November 10, 2014, 02:41:28 PM
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anon coins' uses extend beyond illegal transactions
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November 10, 2014, 02:49:12 PM
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Transparent Blockchains (BTC) are a fad that will end in the near future. In BTCs case it helped that it was the first cryptocurrency and people were getting used to the idea of blockchain based, double spend-proof money.

The entire point is to be able to 1) Spend anonymously 2) No Double Spending.

Had BTC come after a true/proper anonymous currency, it would have been laughed at for being a public ledger. Network and first to market effects are a bitch to overcome and for thousands of years, the rich and powerful have tried their best to suppress new money. It is not going to change ever. Everyone in crypto knows it is all about anonymous money.



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November 10, 2014, 04:02:37 PM
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As a cracker i know damn well what reverse engineering is about.. we have to specialize in finding a vulnerability and exploiting it.
and the crackers mantra is.. "If it runs it can be cracked"


You are full of shit, that´s all.
Cryptography has nothing to do with cracking retarded software copy protections.



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November 10, 2014, 05:06:13 PM
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Back in 2008 i seen a story from DSLReports by accident that had American guys talking about doing trace routes
and what they found was the first hop was to a US govt. DOD back bone server.. DOD = Dept. Of Defense
I checked my own Canadian ISP and well well wouldn't ya know it mine landed on a DOD server to on the first hop from the ISP hahahha

There is nothing strange in that. Internet was first developed for the army and became mainstream with the world wide web developed at cern
(that would be (in part) DOE (Department of Energy) money with close ties to DOD for (not so) obvious reasons... but some lab like los alamos must (still)
have some obvious connection with the DOD...).

I don't think, when the nsa is spying on somebody, they use any server called xxxnsa.gov.us (or you should really worry...)

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November 10, 2014, 06:50:49 PM
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You do know that the internet was build from arpnet. It was a interweb to keep the United States (state) governments in communication in the even of a decapitation nuclear strike. If the Federal was hit a with a nuke and wiped out what remains along with the 50 state governments could still communicate with each other and coordinate counter actions against the attacking nation. It was later expanded to the us public and then the world. but its root is a DOD project and would explain the 1st hop being a DOD node. It's the root the rest sprang from.

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November 10, 2014, 08:25:43 PM
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I think anon (or whatever will be its final rendition) will be a nice "value adder" to a coin but not its KEY factor in determining it's staying power or marketplace usage.  Basically just a layer on top of "whatever" will make a good coin.

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As a cracker i know damn well what reverse engineering is about.. we have to specialize in finding a vulnerability and exploiting it.
and the crackers mantra is.. "If it runs it can be cracked"


You are full of shit, that´s all.
Cryptography has nothing to do with cracking retarded software copy protections.



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So much retired? You are so much of an hypocrite that you even lie to yourself.


aren't you a cocky little mouthy blowhard LOL
want me to showcase how full of shit you are ?

i used the exact same fucking SHA hashing algo to emulate and build a keygen from reverse engineering my firewall as used in Bitcoin.
ya.. kid i Keygen'd my firewall and reversed the hashing algo + Caesar cipher + hardware id ..and emulated it by writing code to spit out keys.
i have patched the program also and written 3 different keygens for it using the hashing api's i reversed..

using c and c++
one with a pure win 32 api GUI and one with a console.
and then a csharp / .net version with GUI (pictured)

hell i even wrote some Patching tutorials on it and posted them online and even got the software developers amusing feedback on it all (he claimed i was full of shit)
i PROVED he was Wink

what have i done lately ? here is a picture of the keygen i just mentioned i uploaded to The Pirate Bay.. recently



just one of many things i have done.. my resume is long and i can back my mouth up !
Unlike most of you spouting off here that have no reputation and no resume to speak of.. you are who and YOU did what ?

care to sit the fuck down and STFU or would you like more Kiddiots ?

I really wish stupid loud mouth brats online would STFU.. they know fuck all about anything .

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The more you run you big mouth(s) the less retired i get  Cool

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by the way it is recent enough that if you grab the keygen from TPB you can use it with installer that is on the official site right now.
last i checked, i keygen'd version.. BiniSoft-Windows.Firewall.Control-v4.1.5.0-&-KG-CUE
and version 4.1.6.0 is current.

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November 11, 2014, 12:14:47 AM
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I have theorized basically they can simply seize control of the starting point and the ending point, then cross reference that and have you and all that you hide.

There is no ending point. You send your transactions (and indeed this is a well known point of vulnerability), but then they are mined into a blockchain and sent to everyone. There is no way to tell by tracing anything or even everything on the network who is the recipient. 100% impossible.



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November 11, 2014, 01:58:43 AM
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i used the exact same fucking SHA hashing algo to emulate and build a keygen from reverse engineering my firewall as used in Bitcoin.
ya.. kid i Keygen'd my firewall and reversed the hashing algo + Caesar cipher + hardware id ..and emulated it by writing code to spit out keys.
i have patched the program also and written 3 different keygens for it using the hashing api's i reversed..

Ahahahahahaha

what

no, wait...



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November 11, 2014, 08:22:40 AM
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I have theorized basically they can simply seize control of the starting point and the ending point, then cross reference that and have you and all that you hide.

There is no ending point. You send your transactions (and indeed this is a well known point of vulnerability), but then they are mined into a blockchain and sent to everyone. There is no way to tell by tracing anything or even everything on the network who is the recipient. 100% impossible.


Interesting reply and surprisingly mature and lucid around here..

I think a mega interesting thing here is that Silk Road 2.0 and 400+ sites were taken down via an undisclosed method (i pointed out earlier)
and i had already heard some possible theories on how they might have infiltrated the middle layer.. TOR itself.
i can't recall what some guy said word for word but he was saying he heard.. that there is malware often bundled with TOR etc
and that some of that malware could be an avenue of attack and some how poisoning the system from the inside sort of..

i mean crackers are nasty.. when they want something bad enough look out !
and if you ARE a cracker you can see all kind of possibilities i am sure vs noobs they have well.. faith and internet heresy to go on.

i have always stressed the major risks of the cross referencing angle / psuedo-patching concept of sorts etc ..it's a nasty method of exploitation.

what i posted in the first topic shows how the US govt owns the entire system basically so they are only limited to their creativity
and how much they want to pay hackers to exploit the systems that need hacking. and they have admitted to some extreme wild stuff too !

like writing a new type of bios malware with hardcore tracking and spying capabilities purely in the firmware bios.
the NSA stated publicly they did that to a guy and caught him.. they intercepted a purchase of a DELL PC then infected the bios and or Firmware
and then sent it to the guy and they said they could monitor and/or track him easily and the method meant there was no stopping it either.
Dude you're gettin' an NSA/Dell  Shocked

The American government is utterly Diabolical and Snowden's point is we have nooooo idea how bad LOL

I heard last year the Russian govt had a sponsored paid cash prize contest to teams that could break TOR..
i think the USA is leaps and bound ahead of them though. (a guess)
I also seen a guy commenting yesterday that said he heard form Snowden personally they have at one point a 69% penetration rate into TOR itself.
True i don't know but if it's old news they may have a higher percentage by now.

US govt + motivation and a bottomless pit of money to get the job done = ruthless and utterly diabolical capabilities.
Just imagine being able to walk around handing blank checks to hackers saying join our super hacker team of 1,000's..
and we will now call you a CIA operative.. most guys would dive on it in a heart beat (many would do the work for free simply for the Title CIA employee)

some random thoughts and my 2 cents.. from a guy who has invested insane amounts of time breaking targets before anyone ON EARTH !
Like what ? Here is two more examples.. I cracked and posted publicly tons of exe patchers / memory patchers, api emulators loaders and various cracks
for Valve software's Steam platform -before- anyone else.. it started when i broke into joined their private 500 person Steam beta LOL
Back then the steam forums had maybe 100 guys tops hahha.. and my scene group released many games connected to that stuff too before my group leader was in cuffs by the FBI.

Not enough ? that is fuck all.. i have done soooooooo much more Wink
I was told by well known big shots cracking (the word jail-breaking is gay) that a series of LG cell phones were pretty much impossible to crack because of harsh DRM.
They were ALL wrong and i proved it but reverse engineering the Phone then coding a new program for Windows with a GUI that
allowed anyone to add unlimited free content to their phone free of charge forever Vs. the super limited paid content available via the Phone provider.
My phone has a collection of free games i got from sites with thousands of mega famous Big name titles such as Need For Speed or Call of Duty.
So to them the "experts" i posted the binaries and said your full of shit LOL

I could go on and on too.. ever heard of Grand theft auto ?
Many of you may have used my cracked .exe or xLive emulator Wink

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what did you do again ?

maybe BUY some ANON coins then.. go play Flappy-Bird or something ?

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November 11, 2014, 12:41:12 PM
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I wasn't ever convinced about the anon coins.  They always seemed like pumps to me. 

I am more excited about the Darkwallet though for Bitcoin.  It is in Beta right now, and yes, I am sure even when it has a full release that it will still be crackable, but it will be much more difficult. 

I actually don't have anything to hide, but I don't want to be tracked and monitored either, so a solution like a Darkwallet is a pretty good middle ground for me. 

I think a totally transparent is actually key to Bitcoins success.  Then the people can demand that all official transactions by the government be made open and traceable.  That way the people can hold the government accountable, but in reverse, if people want to blur their identity and protect their privacy with certain wallets, I think that should be an option too.

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I wasn't ever convinced about the anon coins.  They always seemed like pumps to me. 

I am more excited about the Darkwallet though for Bitcoin.  It is in Beta right now, and yes, I am sure even when it has a full release that it will still be crackable, but it will be much more difficult. 

I actually don't have anything to hide, but I don't want to be tracked and monitored either, so a solution like a Darkwallet is a pretty good middle ground for me. 

I think a totally transparent is actually key to Bitcoins success.  Then the people can demand that all official transactions by the government be made open and traceable.  That way the people can hold the government accountable, but in reverse, if people want to blur their identity and protect their privacy with certain wallets, I think that should be an option too.

Darkwallet is browser plugin. That uses trusted centralised servers. Do I need to explain the complete and utter suck any further?

Governments being forced to use Bitcoin for the transparency it provides is a nice idea, but it's not going to happen without a lot of bloodshed... and 99% of the population don't have the balls, backbone or the brains any more. Blame the estrogen and flouride and whatever other shit they put in tapwater and the food chain... the Zombie apocalypse has already happened.  Cheesy

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Governments being forced to use Bitcoin for the transparency it provides is a nice idea, but it's not going to happen without a lot of bloodshed... and 99% of the population don't have the balls, backbone or the brains any more. Blame the estrogen and flouride and whatever other shit they put in tapwater and the food chain... the Zombie apocalypse has already happened.  Cheesy
I don't know why you put a smile there. It's not even half as exciting as a real zombiepocalypse and I do have an axe  Cool

To the original debate.

Do you know what I don't get about those anon coins?

I take for granted those guys are all Russian journalists or activists in oppressive regimes. It's clearly obvious!

Anyway, if I want a third party to purposely be able to verify I paid something... how do I do that?

Some weeks ago I was called by a moron who asked me to pay 2500+ for something he did 3 years ago! Good thing he did not went ahead.
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November 11, 2014, 02:54:28 PM
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Anyway, if I want a third party to purposely be able to verify I paid something... how do I do that?

Thats no problem with Monero, works the same as you sign with a bitcoin address (just cryptograhically a bit more complicated); that of course doesn´t work with stuff like darkcoin.

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I think a mega interesting thing here is that Silk Road 2.0 and 400+ sites were taken down via an undisclosed method (i pointed out earlier)
and i had already heard some possible theories on how they might have infiltrated the middle layer.. TOR itself.


Correction: 400+ pages from a handful of compromised sites, probably 20-25 of them.

The SR2 bust itself was largely a result of social engineering. The technique
used to expose the other sites involved probably ddosing the sites and putting up large numbers
of law enforcement-controlled Tor nodes until they filled the circuits and could trace ip's.
http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/11/silk-road-other-tor-darknet-sites-may-have-been-decloaked-through-ddos/

What makes that kind of thing possible is the still small number of dedicated Tor relay nodes that are legit
in the sense of providing anonymity to users. There is strength in numbers, and the powers that be are
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November 11, 2014, 06:46:19 PM
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Anyway, if I want a third party to purposely be able to verify I paid something... how do I do that?

Thats no problem with Monero, works the same as you sign with a bitcoin address (just cryptograhically a bit more complicated); that of course doesn´t work with stuff like darkcoin.

So that's basically saying the whole Ring Signatures stuff is FUD?
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