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April 06, 2018, 05:11:28 PM
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Yep but the best way is to always test it over a week or 2.
Thanks for the comprehensive info

Only if you like to gamble.  Even Slushpool has good weeks and bad weeks.  Its why their webpage displays their 250 block "luck" - since that should always be close to 100%.  I've seen plenty of times when the other stats there were well below 100%.

Likewise, if you look at the KanoPool block stats, their 500 and alltime average are around 100%, all stats under 50 blocks are well over average, the others are below.

This is not a game to be played for "a week or 2".  

Do not confuse "luck" with "fate" - one looks backwards, the other forward, and they are only randomly in sync.  Its like saying "I predict that half the time you flip a coin it will come up heads" and saying I'm good predictor for future things.

I mean put 1 miner on another pool for a week or 2 just to test its returns against all your other miners in another pool.

Can do a comparison on returns then

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April 06, 2018, 05:18:34 PM
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I mean put 1 miner on another pool for a week or 2 just to test its returns against all your other miners in another pool.

Can do a comparison on returns then

Your missing my point:  All pools have random luck.  That luck averages out over a period of something like 250-1000 blocks to approximately 100% - as expected.   Using the optimistic  250 number, if your Slushpool and find a dozen blocks a day, that is 20 days.  If your Kano and find a block every couple of days, that is something like 500-750 days.

You CAN NOT compare returns over a period of a week or two and have a statistically valid result.

What you can do is run the math and figure out which will pay out better over a year or so.

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April 06, 2018, 09:33:39 PM
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I mean put 1 miner on another pool for a week or 2 just to test its returns against all your other miners in another pool.

Can do a comparison on returns then

Your missing my point:  All pools have random luck.  That luck averages out over a period of something like 250-1000 blocks to approximately 100% - as expected.   Using the optimistic  250 number, if your Slushpool and find a dozen blocks a day, that is 20 days.  If your Kano and find a block every couple of days, that is something like 500-750 days.

You CAN NOT compare returns over a period of a week or two and have a statistically valid result.

What you can do is run the math and figure out which will pay out better over a year or so.

What he said.  It's not about the returns today, it's the returns over a longer period of time. 
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As moderator adviced at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3278191 , I crosspost my question here:

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I'm NiceHash user (I buy hashpower) and want to mine using antpool.com

Nicehash's minimum difficulty requirement for SHA256 algo is 1,000,000 (10^6), but default pool's mining.set_difficulty is at 4096..32768 time-to-time

I tried to use various combinations of worker's password (d=1000000, md=1000000), but it was helpless.
I searched whole Internet and found https://enforum.bitmain.com/bbs/topics/4619 - there is advice to revert bitmain's/antpool support
Support still keeps silence.

I ask you to advice how to adjust SHA256 minimal difficulty on antpool

Thanks a lot!

Update: Issue solved, big thanks!
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April 07, 2018, 10:57:00 PM
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I mean put 1 miner on another pool for a week or 2 just to test its returns against all your other miners in another pool.

Can do a comparison on returns then

Your missing my point:  All pools have random luck.  That luck averages out over a period of something like 250-1000 blocks to approximately 100% - as expected.   Using the optimistic  250 number, if your Slushpool and find a dozen blocks a day, that is 20 days.  If your Kano and find a block every couple of days, that is something like 500-750 days.

You CAN NOT compare returns over a period of a week or two and have a statistically valid result.

What you can do is run the math and figure out which will pay out better over a year or so.

U cant use it for kano as their variance is too high. I am aware of luck but I didnt know the amount of blocks slushpool gets,etc. I guess comparing antpool against slush over a month or another suitable period is better.

Btw, do u think a program that automatically switches the S9 from a currently higher luck pool to a currently lower luck pool, would give some extra money?

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April 08, 2018, 05:14:31 AM
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Btw, do u think a program that automatically switches the S9 from a currently higher luck pool to a currently lower luck pool, would give some extra money?

You do understand that a pools luck can change in a fractions of a second right?  Its not a THING, it has no MEMORY, its 100.000000000% RANDOM LUCK.  The moment you change from an "unlucky" pool, it could find the next block.

Short answer:  no.

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April 08, 2018, 02:56:07 PM
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Btw, do u think a program that automatically switches the S9 from a currently higher luck pool to a currently lower luck pool, would give some extra money?

You do understand that a pools luck can change in a fractions of a second right?  Its not a THING, it has no MEMORY, its 100.000000000% RANDOM LUCK.  The moment you change from an "unlucky" pool, it could find the next block.

Short answer:  no.

Yeah but in general it doesnt always do so. There is a wide gap of 70% gap for quite a few hours between last 10 blocks and last 50 blocks on slushpool now. It will go back to near 100% eventually.



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April 08, 2018, 04:43:14 PM
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Btw, do u think a program that automatically switches the S9 from a currently higher luck pool to a currently lower luck pool, would give some extra money?

You do understand that a pools luck can change in a fractions of a second right?  Its not a THING, it has no MEMORY, its 100.000000000% RANDOM LUCK.  The moment you change from an "unlucky" pool, it could find the next block.

Short answer:  no.

Yeah but in general it doesnt always do so. There is a wide gap of 70% gap for quite a few hours between last 10 blocks and last 50 blocks on slushpool now. It will go back to near 100% eventually.

Hmmm noted

Actually, it DOES do so.  The only way for a pool to go from a historical 70% luck back to average 100% luck is for it to run at over 100% luck for awhile.  e.g.  70% for 2 weeks + 130% for 2 weeks = 100% for 4 weeks; more or less.

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April 08, 2018, 06:45:11 PM
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Btw, do u think a program that automatically switches the S9 from a currently higher luck pool to a currently lower luck pool, would give some extra money?

You do understand that a pools luck can change in a fractions of a second right?  Its not a THING, it has no MEMORY, its 100.000000000% RANDOM LUCK.  The moment you change from an "unlucky" pool, it could find the next block.

Short answer:  no.

Yeah but in general it doesnt always do so. There is a wide gap of 70% gap for quite a few hours between last 10 blocks and last 50 blocks on slushpool now. It will go back to near 100% eventually.

Hmmm noted

Actually, it DOES do so.  The only way for a pool to go from a historical 70% luck back to average 100% luck is for it to run at over 100% luck for awhile.  e.g.  70% for 2 weeks + 130% for 2 weeks = 100% for 4 weeks; more or less.

What i mean is that it was at a 170% luck. So, changing your pool to another pool with below 80% luck, should mean u gain something because that currently high 170% lucky pool will not be so lucky next and the low 80% luck pool will gain some luck next.

I have read that some people do it manually. Not sure how well it works lol

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April 08, 2018, 07:33:36 PM
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What i mean is that it was at a 170% luck. So, changing your pool to another pool with below 80% luck, should mean u gain something because that currently high 170% lucky pool will not be so lucky next and the low 80% luck pool will gain some luck next.

I have read that some people do it manually. Not sure how well it works lol

Last post on this:  No!  The 170% lucky pool could go to 190% and the 80% luck pool could go to 60%.  ITS RANDOM!!!!  The chances of finding a block ARE NOT affected by prior luck.  PERIOD.

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April 08, 2018, 08:38:11 PM
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Last post on this:  No!  The 170% lucky pool could go to 190% and the 80% luck pool could go to 60%.  ITS RANDOM!!!!  The chances of finding a block ARE NOT affected by prior luck.  PERIOD.

Hahahaha!!! ccgllc, you sir, have fallen into the "just my 2 cents can of worms"!!! I've posted screen shots, proved my point was
backed with truthful evidence, and debated until the Mod deletes MY posts, but never got to the bottom of the can!!!

Just to pull things back on topic, if you mine at Antpool, you're getting robbed!!!

P.S. Bitmain is killing Bitcoin!!!



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April 10, 2018, 12:35:14 AM
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Btw, is anyone having problems with antpool LTC pool?

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April 12, 2018, 05:56:03 PM
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I am mining bch at antpool but since 12 ours ago the earning balance has not changed. The hash is normal alao the shares change. Does anybody know what is the problem?
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April 16, 2018, 05:55:19 PM
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Hi there I’m mining Sia coin since a few days. I just put 3 days ago my wallet adress inside to pay out balance, but I only received my new earnings. The old ones are still on the account! Any help?
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May 05, 2018, 11:42:59 AM
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what is the most profitable SCRYPT coin atm you guys think?
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May 05, 2018, 03:34:22 PM
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what is the most profitable SCRYPT coin atm you guys think?

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May 07, 2018, 07:00:47 PM
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im interesting to join antpool with 390-400 Th/s

What would you suggest ? What are the rewards for it

Now days im getting 0.02332671

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May 07, 2018, 08:27:11 PM
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im interesting to join antpool with 390-400 Th/s

What would you suggest ? What are the rewards for it

Now days im getting 0.02332671




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May 07, 2018, 08:45:44 PM
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Yep, just say no to antpoo!   Slush and kano are far better options.
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May 17, 2018, 06:26:21 PM
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Antpool use LIGHTNING NETWORK?

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