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[digicidal]

As for IE, I put him on THE WALL OF SHAME for his peculiar handling of the so called Wall Street event, which I opposed completely from the get go. The guy does very idiotic things on account of his uncontrolable ego and his victim complex by which there are always excuses that impede him to assume responsibility for what he does -or allows others to do, on his name- wrong. But I have to call it like it is and, although a public manipulator -quite different from scummy Bob and Ryan or Prometheus or others like those-, he has no scammed anyone. I don't give a fuck about the guy, too many character flaws, but what's true is true. And I don't give a fuck either about you or anyone else putting any or all credibility on me, up to you and up yours, actually, in your particular instance. But the trail is there for the interested parties to follow and decide.

You acted your usual stupid self, for weeks, while you were being told -by me and others- why this was an obvious scam. It doesn't matter. In true IE fashion, you choose to blame how I said it for you to not believe it. More power to you and I hope you loss in direct proportion with the lesson you have been taught. More are coming, I am pretty sure.

Of course I remember SPA. You or others, hopefully saved some money by not investing on such display of incompetence, fully denounced by me from the get go, in both Spanish and English. It is posted here, anyone can check it. It is still a monument of incompetence that will never be worth shit. Like you.

As for the KNC miner, that idea went off the wall the moment I found out that company was associated with an individual accused of pedophilia in the US, but it was a good idea at the time... if only they delivered on their promises, which I don't believe they did BUT have done in the past and made a small fortune for those who did similar things to the proposed acquisition. Was anything wrong or shady in any way on that?

The fact that you claim the stupid Wall St. event was even a notable blip in the history of IE says everything it needs to.  How about the unfilled orders for cards?  Yes, he eventually filled the first batch... but he collected from many more than that.  How about XLB - basically all of it (oh, was that because you were posting all over the place how that was legit - at least until it clearly wasn't).  Thankfully, I didn't fall for that crap at all!  As far as the KNC Miners... uh, long before that they had a history of failing to fill orders, pushing delivery, shipping units that had already been used (by them)... and it was all out in the open there.  Granted they were better than BFL... but only just.

You know the reason everyone thinks you're IE - because, like him, you only go on your FUD crusades when it's something you're not in on personally.  Otherwise you're alternatively a cheerleader or quiet as a mouse.    Oh and sorry, I lost practically nothing - so actually the lessons and entertainment it's provided have been nothing but pure profit on all sides.  After the returns trading the FUD/euphoria waves, I was down to less than .75BTC of the 2.5BTC I invested... which that 2M BAY basically covered.  Disappointed?

This is all just a game that will end up going no where, but it is a very interesting socioeconomic experiment, wouldn't you agree?

You think and do what you want, I am not here to tell you what you should think, but I think in this case Barabbas should be the last person to be attacked. Actually Barabbas articulated first the main characteristics of this scam. For the full disclosure, I have quite a lot disagreements with him on logistical and technical topics, but he is normally correct on development, business and organizational issues - even if he is IE, Lady Gaga or Wayne Rooney (which it the most unlikely scenario ... but on that note I am off because Manchester United-Livepool is just starting)

LOL.  I just love tweaking Barabbas because I think he's entertaining.  It has nothing to do with him being right or wrong - and I've now stated numerous times that he was 100% right about this(as were you).  I just think he's a waste of air in general simply because of the way he goes about things.  Remember XLB?  I do and on that I was Barabbas (I just didn't go posting FUD and screaming about it all the time). I said it was crap, warned others to either trade it as a scam or stay far away... all while he was doing cartwheels up IE's ass and telling people it was going to the moon.  At least until it worked out exactly the same as BAY did - except IE was the 'Bob', Barabbas was the one posting rabidly in support of it, and that time it was the dev & his goons that got pissed and dumped in their faces (at least that's what they claim happened... I have my own suspicions as to who dumped first actually).

Basically, I type very fast - and he does as well I assume... so it's fun to get him to head off into long, fuming rants screaming at me about something or another... and he seems to really get off on it too. (I'm sure I'll have some great literature to read in response to this as well when I get back into the office).

This entire site, and for the most part cryptocurrency in general, is completely full of dreamers, scammers, idiots, trolls, and self-proclaimed messiahs (with most of us - myself included of course - filling more than one of those roles, depending on the circumstances).  Oh yeah, and a very tiny handful of people actually doing work - some honest, most not so much.  Regardless, it's great entertainment and a pleasant distraction from my real work.  

I never paid for any BTC, so everything I throw it at - whether it works out or doesn't - is gravy.  To me the goal is to see the ideas occur and come to fruition... which doesn't come for free, and isn't without risks... and sometimes you get innovation from very unlikely sources in my experience (who knows... maybe even in this instance).  

I don't believe that BTC is any better or different - it's almost totally moved by corruption and greed (not completely of course, but still predominantly).  I think the alts are worse in most ways... but we often benefit from questionable innovation.  Without the porn industry, private video recording and playback would have been almost completely prevented by the MPAA.   Without piracy, we wouldn't have seen such great open source development go into codecs/optimization and streaming technology for both audio and video.  The same research that created the atom bomb also created clean(ish) power and cancer treatments (of course, it also caused many of those cancers, so maybe that one is a zero-sum game).  

Whether you like it or not, financing the Dark Web is, by far, one of the most significant roles BTC plays currently - and has been ever since it started being worth more than a dollar.  Not saying that's bad - just saying it's not a neighborhood you should be surprised to find populated largely by criminals.

PS - Enjoy your football and have a pint for me - should be a good one I think.

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[digicidal]

AltcoinUK, must I show you my entire chat history to clear my name? Then will you stop these people from doing this? I really was naive to what was going on until it started. Add me on skype i will show you something.

Personally, I think this would be about the only thing you could possibly do that would be beneficial.  That and all of the addresses involved (Bob already posted his... directly tied to the BTER wallet - so you don't need to provide those).

It would be great if you could get Lin and Steven to do the same... but we both know that isn't happening.

That's the double-edged sword of privacy.  I, and many others, were willing to accept the privacy of you and your partners before they were proven to be corrupt... now the only way out is to expose every minute detail.  The time for closed-source software, NDA's, etc. is already past... you can squeeze a little more out of this by sticking with it perhaps, but you will also get even deeper into the hole you've already dug.  There's still some light visible... run towards it!

I discussed my issues with the project openly its a known fact there are fake accounts on bitcointalk. Barrabas has invaded my privacy on many occasions. Thats what happens when you invade the privacy of others. He claims to be a truth teller. I want to know who he is.

I think it should be crystal clear (or even clearer if there is such a thing) that I'm not a member of the Barrabas fanclub.    But are you fucking serious right now?!?!  He needs to have transparency?!?!  He's just a guy behind a keyboard, as are the people whose money you accepted - while not exposing even partial identities of your partners... because your word was good enough for them.  I couldn't care less if Barrabas is Manson/Hitler/Satan... your kind of hypocrisy is frightening man!

When HE makes a coin, and HE runs an ICO, and HE makes a bunch of promises regarding deliverables... THEN and only then, does he have an obligation so expose his identity - and even then only to the extent that he is using that identity for collateral.  That's exactly what you did... you used your name and history as collateral - but now that it's time to pay up because the loan is bad... you're asking for more than you're willing to provide from completely detatched 3rd parties?!?!    

He didn't give you or the rest of the team any BTC - so technically you don't owe him anything (but you also aren't in a position to demand anything either)... and I don't really care any more because it's clear you're in a death spiral... but there are many, many others... notably still in the "real" thread(s) that you most certainly do owe a great deal!

[Decentradical]

This entire site, and for the most part cryptocurrency in general, is completely full of dreamers, scammers, idiots, trolls, and self-proclaimed messiahs (with most of us - myself included of course - filling more than one of those roles, depending on the circumstances).  Oh yeah, and a very tiny handful of people actually doing work - some honest, most not so much.  Regardless, it's great entertainment and a pleasant distraction from my real work.  

I never paid for any BTC, so everything I throw it at - whether it works out or doesn't - is gravy.  To me the goal is to see the ideas occur and come to fruition... which doesn't come for free, and isn't without risks... and sometimes you get innovation from very unlikely sources in my experience (who knows... maybe even in this instance).  

I don't believe that BTC is any better or different - it's almost totally moved by corruption and greed (not completely of course, but still predominantly).  I think the alts are worse in most ways... but we often benefit from questionable innovation.  Without the porn industry, private video recording and playback would have been almost completely prevented by the MPAA.   Without piracy, we wouldn't have seen such great open source development go into codecs/optimization and streaming technology for both audio and video.  The same research that created the atom bomb also created clean(ish) power and cancer treatments (of course, it also caused many of those cancers, so maybe that one is a zero-sum game).  

Whether you like it or not, financing the Dark Web is, by far, one of the most significant roles BTC plays currently - and has been ever since it started being worth more than a dollar.  Not saying that's bad - just saying it's not a neighborhood you should be surprised to find populated largely by criminals.

PS - Enjoy your football and have a pint for me - should be a good one I think.

Thank you for that lucidity.

[Shrikez]

This is absolutely hilarious 

Scammers accusing scammers of scamming and "investors" crying and stomping feet after throwing away their money ...again...and again....and again.

You guys crack me up.

Pity it's terrible for the success of crypto in general.
I'm starting to think it might be useful to dedicate a few resources around the world to the doxxing of  the main players around here. For the lulz. Maybe I'll do just that as my 2015 "make the world a better place" project.

[altcoinUK]

As for IE, I put him on THE WALL OF SHAME for his peculiar handling of the so called Wall Street event, which I opposed completely from the get go. The guy does very idiotic things on account of his uncontrolable ego and his victim complex by which there are always excuses that impede him to assume responsibility for what he does -or allows others to do, on his name- wrong. But I have to call it like it is and, although a public manipulator -quite different from scummy Bob and Ryan or Prometheus or others like those-, he has no scammed anyone. I don't give a fuck about the guy, too many character flaws, but what's true is true. And I don't give a fuck either about you or anyone else putting any or all credibility on me, up to you and up yours, actually, in your particular instance. But the trail is there for the interested parties to follow and decide.

You acted your usual stupid self, for weeks, while you were being told -by me and others- why this was an obvious scam. It doesn't matter. In true IE fashion, you choose to blame how I said it for you to not believe it. More power to you and I hope you loss in direct proportion with the lesson you have been taught. More are coming, I am pretty sure.

Of course I remember SPA. You or others, hopefully saved some money by not investing on such display of incompetence, fully denounced by me from the get go, in both Spanish and English. It is posted here, anyone can check it. It is still a monument of incompetence that will never be worth shit. Like you.

As for the KNC miner, that idea went off the wall the moment I found out that company was associated with an individual accused of pedophilia in the US, but it was a good idea at the time... if only they delivered on their promises, which I don't believe they did BUT have done in the past and made a small fortune for those who did similar things to the proposed acquisition. Was anything wrong or shady in any way on that?

The fact that you claim the stupid Wall St. event was even a notable blip in the history of IE says everything it needs to.  How about the unfilled orders for cards?  Yes, he eventually filled the first batch... but he collected from many more than that.  How about XLB - basically all of it (oh, was that because you were posting all over the place how that was legit - at least until it clearly wasn't).  Thankfully, I didn't fall for that crap at all!  As far as the KNC Miners... uh, long before that they had a history of failing to fill orders, pushing delivery, shipping units that had already been used (by them)... and it was all out in the open there.  Granted they were better than BFL... but only just.

You know the reason everyone thinks you're IE - because, like him, you only go on your FUD crusades when it's something you're not in on personally.  Otherwise you're alternatively a cheerleader or quiet as a mouse.    Oh and sorry, I lost practically nothing - so actually the lessons and entertainment it's provided have been nothing but pure profit on all sides.  After the returns trading the FUD/euphoria waves, I was down to less than .75BTC of the 2.5BTC I invested... which that 2M BAY basically covered.  Disappointed?

This is all just a game that will end up going no where, but it is a very interesting socioeconomic experiment, wouldn't you agree?

You think and do what you want, I am not here to tell you what you should think, but I think in this case Barabbas should be the last person to be attacked. Actually Barabbas articulated first the main characteristics of this scam. For the full disclosure, I have quite a lot disagreements with him on logistical and technical topics, but he is normally correct on development, business and organizational issues - even if he is IE, Lady Gaga or Wayne Rooney (which it the most unlikely scenario ... but on that note I am off because Manchester United-Livepool is just starting)

LOL.  I just love tweaking Barabbas because I think he's entertaining.  It has nothing to do with him being right or wrong - and I've now stated numerous times that he was 100% right about this(as were you).  I just think he's a waste of air in general simply because of the way he goes about things.  Remember XLB?  I do and on that I was Barabbas (I just didn't go posting FUD and screaming about it all the time). I said it was crap, warned others to either trade it as a scam or stay far away... all while he was doing cartwheels up IE's ass and telling people it was going to the moon.  At least until it worked out exactly the same as BAY did - except IE was the 'Bob', Barabbas was the one posting rabidly in support of it, and that time it was the dev & his goons that got pissed and dumped in their faces (at least that's what they claim happened... I have my own suspicions as to who dumped first actually).

Basically, I type very fast - and he does as well I assume... so it's fun to get him to head off into long, fuming rants screaming at me about something or another... and he seems to really get off on it too. (I'm sure I'll have some great literature to read in response to this as well when I get back into the office).

This entire site, and for the most part cryptocurrency in general, is completely full of dreamers, scammers, idiots, trolls, and self-proclaimed messiahs (with most of us - myself included of course - filling more than one of those roles, depending on the circumstances).  Oh yeah, and a very tiny handful of people actually doing work - some honest, most not so much.  Regardless, it's great entertainment and a pleasant distraction from my real work.  

I never paid for any BTC, so everything I throw it at - whether it works out or doesn't - is gravy.  To me the goal is to see the ideas occur and come to fruition... which doesn't come for free, and isn't without risks... and sometimes you get innovation from very unlikely sources in my experience (who knows... maybe even in this instance).  

I don't believe that BTC is any better or different - it's almost totally moved by corruption and greed (not completely of course, but still predominantly).  I think the alts are worse in most ways... but we often benefit from questionable innovation.  Without the porn industry, private video recording and playback would have been almost completely prevented by the MPAA.   Without piracy, we wouldn't have seen such great open source development go into codecs/optimization and streaming technology for both audio and video.  The same research that created the atom bomb also created clean(ish) power and cancer treatments (of course, it also caused many of those cancers, so maybe that one is a zero-sum game).  

Whether you like it or not, financing the Dark Web is, by far, one of the most significant roles BTC plays currently - and has been ever since it started being worth more than a dollar.  Not saying that's bad - just saying it's not a neighborhood you should be surprised to find populated largely by criminals.

PS - Enjoy your football and have a pint for me - should be a good one I think.

Thanks, my team won 3:0 :-)) (and I feel for the Liverpool supporters as despite loosing the game their was the better team). The pint was not an option at this time as my company's Christmas party was Friday night and I am still recovering the colossal alcohol poisoning of that event, but next time I will have that pint :-))

I have to agree all points in your post, I am a BTC guy, but you are quite right about BTC as well. Just as you said, I think some alts innovations are really encouraging and exciting, for instance the smart contract technology could change how we do business. Not least that influential industry leaders like Reid Hoffman think that about smart contracts and when the founder of Linkedin think so, since his innovations changed already how we do business, probably must be something in these innovative techs. Probably it is too early to say how the alts will progress. Barabbas could be right that only BTC will be traded, personally I believe 1-2 innovative alts could survive.

[digicidal]

This is absolutely hilarious 

Scammers accusing scammers of scamming and "investors" crying and stomping feet after throwing away their money ...again...and again....and again.

You guys crack me up.

Pity it's terrible for the success of crypto in general.
I'm starting to think it might be useful to dedicate a few resources around the world to the doxxing of  the main players around here. For the lulz. Maybe I'll do just that as my 2015 "make the world a better place" project.

Not that it's likely to make a ton of difference (hasn't thus far) - but if you want big fish, they're the ones running the exchanges... the coin crews are all ultra small-time con men in comparison.  Just look at BTC's history over the past 2 years... now you're talking hundreds of thousands of Bitcoins, not a few hundred or a thousand.  Full backgrounds on their other business dealings and associates would likely change the fundamentals quite a bit... shutting down even the biggest coin-scammers isn't likely to change the game - just rearrange the players.  I say go for it regardless though, not like it can possibly hurt.


@altcoinUK - Congrats then... but don't feel too bad for the Liverpool guys... they got to watch a good game as well - and isn't that the point?

[altcoinUK]

AltcoinUK, must I show you my entire chat history to clear my name? Then will you stop these people from doing this? I really was naive to what was going on until it started. Add me on skype i will show you something.

Unlike you, I am not comfortable with having scammers in my Skype address list ... so for this reason I can't add you to that one. You will need to start being transparent and disclose all requested information publicly instead of in private conversations, just like Bob started to do so, and then work with the community to compensate the naive and mislead investors as well as work with the law enforcement agencies. You and your partners have enough money, Lin of Bter and other crooks including you will be able to afford the return of the fraudulently collected money.

I understand you are dealing with a serious psychological condition that prevents you seeing what you have done to many naive investors who supported you with their very best intentions (and this is not a personal remarks nor a slander I am just stating the fact, because you clearly can't see your own role in the scam), but once your own investors request to disclose all information, you must try your best in complying with their requests.

[Decentradical]

http://www.reddit.com/r/BitBay/comments/2p90g5/official_statement/

A few days before the ICO a was approached two others. Robert Duskes(google) aka International Rob and Ryan Wright(from California/Taipei) aka Gekko.
Considering I was only talking to Steve for weeks I was unaware there were others involved although from my perception that gave it more validity.

This I don't get. How does this happen?

There's nothing wrong with ICO's until third parties are involved. There's nothing wrong with whales buying into the ICO either. But what may not ever happen is that whales end up on the receiving end of the ICO.

[altcoinUK]

http://www.reddit.com/r/BitBay/comments/2p90g5/official_statement/

A few days before the ICO a was approached two others. Robert Duskes(google) aka International Rob and Ryan Wright(from California/Taipei) aka Gekko.
Considering I was only talking to Steve for weeks I was unaware there were others involved although from my perception that gave it more validity.

This I don't get. How does this happen?

There's nothing wrong with ICO's until third parties are involved. There's nothing wrong with whales buying into the ICO either. But what may not ever happen is that whales end up on the receiving end of the ICO.

It shouldn't and that's why it was a scam in the first place. To attract investment by creating a fake volume is a fraud. From moral and besides that, from law enforcement viewpoint it does not matter that digital currencies are unregulated, to deceive naive investors into a fake volume investment scheme is a crime.

Zimbeck & Steven still promote the new project in the official thread pretending that they have done nothing wrong. The project that is being promoted was conceived by the cooperation of a group of criminals. The longer they promote the project instead of performing a proper damage limitation first, they are digging themselves into a deeper and deeper hole.

[Decentradical]

The way I saw it was that the potential profits of sitting on an exchange generating constant revenue through transaction fees would make the ICO look like pocket change. That's why I thought nobody would actually be stupid enough to let a pump group on that side of the deal. If they were going to play with the price then they'd have to do it at the buyer side and not at the seller side.

[TinEye]

The way I saw it was that the potential profits of sitting on an exchange generating constant revenue through transaction fees would make the ICO look like pocket change. That's why I thought nobody would actually be stupid enough to let a pump group on that side of the deal. If they were going to play with the price then they'd have to do it at the buyer side and not at the seller side.

Thats why I don't believe Bter was actively involved in this. They are the largest volume provider for NXT and 2nd largest for Bitshares, ranked 3 and 4 on coinmarketcap. Stunts like these can ruin them and they would know it.

[Bobsurplus]

The way I saw it was that the potential profits of sitting on an exchange generating constant revenue through transaction fees would make the ICO look like pocket change. That's why I thought nobody would actually be stupid enough to let a pump group on that side of the deal. If they were going to play with the price then they'd have to do it at the buyer side and not at the seller side.

Thats why I don't believe Bter was actively involved in this. They are the largest volume provider for NXT and 2nd largest for Bitshares, ranked 3 and 4 on coinmarketcap. Stunts like these can ruin them and they would know it.

you must be blind...

https://twitter.com/EMC2Whale

have you seen those chat logs???

lmao!

[TinEye]

The way I saw it was that the potential profits of sitting on an exchange generating constant revenue through transaction fees would make the ICO look like pocket change. That's why I thought nobody would actually be stupid enough to let a pump group on that side of the deal. If they were going to play with the price then they'd have to do it at the buyer side and not at the seller side.

Thats why I don't believe Bter was actively involved in this. They are the largest volume provider for NXT and 2nd largest for Bitshares, ranked 3 and 4 on coinmarketcap. Stunts like these can ruin them and they would know it.

you must be blind...

https://twitter.com/EMC2Whale

have you seen those chat logs???

lmao!

Lowlifes like you would go to any length to fabricate evidence. I am surprised you are still trying to convince here, I doubt anyone here believes you to be otherwise.

[Kronenberg]

The way I saw it was that the potential profits of sitting on an exchange generating constant revenue through transaction fees would make the ICO look like pocket change. That's why I thought nobody would actually be stupid enough to let a pump group on that side of the deal. If they were going to play with the price then they'd have to do it at the buyer side and not at the seller side.

Thats why I don't believe Bter was actively involved in this. They are the largest volume provider for NXT and 2nd largest for Bitshares, ranked 3 and 4 on coinmarketcap. Stunts like these can ruin them and they would know it.

you must be blind...

https://twitter.com/EMC2Whale

have you seen those chat logs???

lmao!

Lowlifes like you would go to any length to fabricate evidence. I am surprised you are still trying to convince here, I doubt anyone here believes you to be otherwise.

Read the logs. Follow the money. BTer Lin owns 20% of bay. The entire ICO was based on massive fake volume, engineered by Lin and Steve, known by Bob and David. This is not in dispute.

[Decentradical]

The way I saw it was that the potential profits of sitting on an exchange generating constant revenue through transaction fees would make the ICO look like pocket change. That's why I thought nobody would actually be stupid enough to let a pump group on that side of the deal. If they were going to play with the price then they'd have to do it at the buyer side and not at the seller side.

Thats why I don't believe Bter was actively involved in this. They are the largest volume provider for NXT and 2nd largest for Bitshares, ranked 3 and 4 on coinmarketcap. Stunts like these can ruin them and they would know it.

I withdrew everything I had from there. I thought they were just the arbiter in all of this exactly because they their whole fucking exchange to lose. The fact that they're willing to play with schemes like this suggests to me that they're have started to take stock before the whole thing comes down.

[TinEye]

The way I saw it was that the potential profits of sitting on an exchange generating constant revenue through transaction fees would make the ICO look like pocket change. That's why I thought nobody would actually be stupid enough to let a pump group on that side of the deal. If they were going to play with the price then they'd have to do it at the buyer side and not at the seller side.

Thats why I don't believe Bter was actively involved in this. They are the largest volume provider for NXT and 2nd largest for Bitshares, ranked 3 and 4 on coinmarketcap. Stunts like these can ruin them and they would know it.

I withdrew everything I had from there.

I only keep amounts necessary for trading.

This is a general advise, keep only what you need on exchanges, don't use them as wallets.

[barabbas]

@ Zimbeck the Turd.

I will answer you here for I have already told you before I do NOT appreciate you contacting me privately. Everything right here, in the open, where it will stay forever and not disappear at the whim of anyone.

I will gladly meet you in person -and promise I will try my best to restrain from violence, tempted as I will be-. In person. Not skype. Not e-mail. None of that bullshit that you love because it feeds you with opportunities to continue your pathological lying. I have only accused you, from the get go, EXACTLY of what you are guilty as sin: Aiding and abetting and benefiting from the whole scam that was built -as I told you many times, all in these public forums and still fully available for consultation- as a house of cards on your name and with your full, enthusiastic approval... once you got the taste of money -you mildly "protested" for about 5 seconds until money was sent to you, not afterwards when you refused, again and again, to come clean and bring down the full house of cards... because you WANTED MORE MONEY fully knowing what was going on. As a matter of fact, you now CONTINUE doing exactly the same. Only the rats (Bob and Ryan) are out. But the real crooks are still in: YOU, first and foremost, "Steven" and Lin.

It is of no significance to me at all if you want to believe I am Bobsurplus, Han Solo, Wonder Woman or, as UK suggested, Lady Gaga. Believe whatever suits your sick mind. I choose to remain anonymous because I have no obligation to anyone. I have never accepted -although offered a couple of times- a since cent on ANY currency or commodity or service, unlike you. If what I post is of use to anyone -it is and some have been gracious enough to apologize and/or thank me for it-, that's great and satisfy me completely, especially if I have been able to save some people some money; if you don't find it useful -or if you find it offensive, you and the COLLECTIVE you, fuck you all very much, ok? What you see is what you get. End of story.

As for what you want, I could lie and say I don't really care... but since I never, ever, lie, I have to admit that whatever you want, for the simple fact that you want it, it is enough for me to want for you the opposite. See? You are a despicable individual, as fully proven by the BAY scam you aided and abetted in and benefited from at the expense of the crypto community as the piece of shit individual that you are. Not only did you hurt the BAY blind, greedy ones, you also hurt the entire BlackCoin community... not that they don't deserve some of that medicine -in some cases-, but the big damage is to the entire digital currencies world that you litter with your presence. And for that you are my enemy. And for that I want you out of crypto altogether, not juswt be the pariah that you are going to be from now on. Get the message?

That piece of punk garbage that Bobsurplus is -still leaps and bounds above you-, could never, in his best, more high on pot day, even remotely come close to  this answer to you. His "talents" are for scamming, scheming and conning, nothing else whatsoever. And I am in the opposite side of that front that, again, you enthusiastically chose to join and for which you will pay for as long as you wander through cryptoland. Since it appears full justice and law enforcement will not come to cryptoland for a while yet, call it poetic justice. Exceptionally deserved.

As for Bob and Ryan, they are both in self destruct mode, too stupid and greedy to avoid the inevitable double harakiri, so poetic justice will flourish in that camp too real soon. Where it won't, on the other hand, is in the one of your bosses, "Steven" and Lin. They are just started, Too late to the party, mind you, but with plenty of carrion still available for such vultures.

Me? I will continue to do my best, until I get totally bored -which I feel it'll happen very soon-, to warn innocents and greedy blind bastards alike, of what I see and discover in this cesspool of criminals and low lives like you.

One again, leave my PM alone and any lies or "requests" you may have, in public. Most likely I will ignore you altogether from now on since everything that needed to be said has been already. In spades.

[barabbas]

As for IE, I put him on THE WALL OF SHAME for his peculiar handling of the so called Wall Street event, which I opposed completely from the get go. The guy does very idiotic things on account of his uncontrolable ego and his victim complex by which there are always excuses that impede him to assume responsibility for what he does -or allows others to do, on his name- wrong. But I have to call it like it is and, although a public manipulator -quite different from scummy Bob and Ryan or Prometheus or others like those-, he has no scammed anyone. I don't give a fuck about the guy, too many character flaws, but what's true is true. And I don't give a fuck either about you or anyone else putting any or all credibility on me, up to you and up yours, actually, in your particular instance. But the trail is there for the interested parties to follow and decide.

You acted your usual stupid self, for weeks, while you were being told -by me and others- why this was an obvious scam. It doesn't matter. In true IE fashion, you choose to blame how I said it for you to not believe it. More power to you and I hope you loss in direct proportion with the lesson you have been taught. More are coming, I am pretty sure.

Of course I remember SPA. You or others, hopefully saved some money by not investing on such display of incompetence, fully denounced by me from the get go, in both Spanish and English. It is posted here, anyone can check it. It is still a monument of incompetence that will never be worth shit. Like you.

As for the KNC miner, that idea went off the wall the moment I found out that company was associated with an individual accused of pedophilia in the US, but it was a good idea at the time... if only they delivered on their promises, which I don't believe they did BUT have done in the past and made a small fortune for those who did similar things to the proposed acquisition. Was anything wrong or shady in any way on that?

The fact that you claim the stupid Wall St. event was even a notable blip in the history of IE says everything it needs to.  How about the unfilled orders for cards?  Yes, he eventually filled the first batch... but he collected from many more than that.  How about XLB - basically all of it (oh, was that because you were posting all over the place how that was legit - at least until it clearly wasn't).  Thankfully, I didn't fall for that crap at all!  As far as the KNC Miners... uh, long before that they had a history of failing to fill orders, pushing delivery, shipping units that had already been used (by them)... and it was all out in the open there.  Granted they were better than BFL... but only just.

You know the reason everyone thinks you're IE - because, like him, you only go on your FUD crusades when it's something you're not in on personally.  Otherwise you're alternatively a cheerleader or quiet as a mouse.    Oh and sorry, I lost practically nothing - so actually the lessons and entertainment it's provided have been nothing but pure profit on all sides.  After the returns trading the FUD/euphoria waves, I was down to less than .75BTC of the 2.5BTC I invested... which that 2M BAY basically covered.  Disappointed?

This is all just a game that will end up going no where, but it is a very interesting socioeconomic experiment, wouldn't you agree?

You think and do what you want, I am not here to tell you what you should think, but I think in this case Barabbas should be the last person to be attacked. Actually Barabbas articulated first the main characteristics of this scam. For the full disclosure, I have quite a lot disagreements with him on logistical and technical topics, but he is normally correct on development, business and organizational issues - even if he is IE, Lady Gaga or Wayne Rooney (which it the most unlikely scenario ... but on that note I am off because Manchester United-Livepool is just starting)

LOL.  I just love tweaking Barabbas because I think he's entertaining.  It has nothing to do with him being right or wrong - and I've now stated numerous times that he was 100% right about this(as were you).  I just think he's a waste of air in general simply because of the way he goes about things.  Remember XLB?  I do and on that I was Barabbas (I just didn't go posting FUD and screaming about it all the time). I said it was crap, warned others to either trade it as a scam or stay far away... all while he was doing cartwheels up IE's ass and telling people it was going to the moon.  At least until it worked out exactly the same as BAY did - except IE was the 'Bob', Barabbas was the one posting rabidly in support of it, and that time it was the dev & his goons that got pissed and dumped in their faces (at least that's what they claim happened... I have my own suspicions as to who dumped first actually).

Basically, I type very fast - and he does as well I assume... so it's fun to get him to head off into long, fuming rants screaming at me about something or another... and he seems to really get off on it too. (I'm sure I'll have some great literature to read in response to this as well when I get back into the office).

This entire site, and for the most part cryptocurrency in general, is completely full of dreamers, scammers, idiots, trolls, and self-proclaimed messiahs (with most of us - myself included of course - filling more than one of those roles, depending on the circumstances).  Oh yeah, and a very tiny handful of people actually doing work - some honest, most not so much.  Regardless, it's great entertainment and a pleasant distraction from my real work.  

I never paid for any BTC, so everything I throw it at - whether it works out or doesn't - is gravy.  To me the goal is to see the ideas occur and come to fruition... which doesn't come for free, and isn't without risks... and sometimes you get innovation from very unlikely sources in my experience (who knows... maybe even in this instance).  

I don't believe that BTC is any better or different - it's almost totally moved by corruption and greed (not completely of course, but still predominantly).  I think the alts are worse in most ways... but we often benefit from questionable innovation.  Without the porn industry, private video recording and playback would have been almost completely prevented by the MPAA.   Without piracy, we wouldn't have seen such great open source development go into codecs/optimization and streaming technology for both audio and video.  The same research that created the atom bomb also created clean(ish) power and cancer treatments (of course, it also caused many of those cancers, so maybe that one is a zero-sum game).  

Whether you like it or not, financing the Dark Web is, by far, one of the most significant roles BTC plays currently - and has been ever since it started being worth more than a dollar.  Not saying that's bad - just saying it's not a neighborhood you should be surprised to find populated largely by criminals.

PS - Enjoy your football and have a pint for me - should be a good one I think.

You bore me to death, but have mention Liberty Coin and there'[s a full thread THE CASE OF LIBERTY COIN, by me, on these threads, where everything is fully explained. In detail. I did supported it, along with IE. As I have found to be usual, while IE pretended to have everything in full control, it ended up not being true and he did not even have the password to the official thread. Very naive on his part but he just trusted another lowlife bastard, Carlos Ferguson. And, at the time, he had too many enemies -from Black Coin- to be able to survive. A few community members also conspired against him when, at my insistence, he tried to take control and fork the coin. As usual in him, the task was too difficult -only for personal reasons- and instead of fight and go the distance and take full control, he chose to leave. Liberty coin was huge opportunity missed. A huge success that was inevitable, became just another Ferguson scam. And you are wrong: I still have the modest amount of LibertyCoins I had when it started... even though I could have sold them BEFORE the panic broke. Call it naive, the project was so good that I expected to convince IE to just start a NEW LIBERTY COIN. I failed and he chose, obviously with better judgement than me, to create his own coin from the scratch. I still believe he would have been more successful if instead of Bytecent he would have called it New Liberty, but we will never know that any more.

So, to cut the shit out, you are wrong, as usual. Even when you read the official level of the see.

But I am not interested in debating any further, you are of no consequence to me in any way and don't want to either engage or entertain you -unless it is in pay-per-view, of course-, so believe as you must. Ta da!

[Normandoyle]

I stated this on Twitter and I'll state it once again:

We need to setup a trust fund for those who invested in BitBay and got screwed.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

I stated this on Twitter and I'll state it once again:

We need to setup a trust fund for those who invested in BitBay and got screwed.

I was indeed also one of the screwed:(