GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[dekay]

look even josh is panicky  checkout ht thread lounge title is it just me

[tom14cat14]

look even josh is panicky  checkout ht thread lounge title is it just me

I wanted to respond to it but I dont want to be banned. At least not yet.

[interstellar]

I'm not sure we really need to go over there. I think the cultists are actually watching us very closely here:

https://hashtalk.org/topic/23757/is-it-just-me/57

[lawshe]

This actually isn't that great. The original looks more shopped than the GAW one. Not saying that proves anything -- could just be a resolution difference, and anyway the time stamp on the Zinc post is the most damning bit of evidence for GAW -- but there are more artefacts around the Zinc fonts.

Come on, there is a blog and a whole reddit thread dated MARCH 2014, nine months ago.

http://blog.zincsave.com/2014/03/the-most-seamless-way-to-shop-with.html
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20ost0/im_one_of_the_developers_of_zinc_a_chrome/

Sure, they can try to wiggle out of this - claim they bought zincsave perhaps.

Totally agree -- that's why I said the timestamp was more damning. I was just pointing out the image flaws b/c I was anticipating another point where HT folks will probably wiggle. (Mom always said I should have been a lawyer.)

[I_IZ_CEO]

hurry post this on ht wit link so we can see the lemmings freakout

Most won't be moved by it over there, they will just wait for their leader to tell them anything, and that will suffice. 

I just emailed Zincsave about this.. Lets see if they reply.
Someone mentioned they changed the pic on their site? Maybe Zinc did contact them
They, the followers are blind, say something... yes, gawsome, great etc..

[dekay]

zincsave.com doesnt work? so how did you email them bro i was gonna phone them i have free canada/usa calling are they under ddos attack atm by gaw holy fuck!

[Missouri_Miner]

Per the timeline, they were going to announce the companies they have purchased.  I did not see that anywhere, but could have missed the announcement.  Anyone see this pop up or just another empty promise in the future ghost town?

[I_IZ_CEO]

zincsave.com doesnt work? so how did you email them bro i was gonna phone them i have free canada/usa calling are they under ddos attack atm by gaw holy fuck!

Reddit :p

Hope he still uses that account.

[dekay]

please josh allow the idiots to activate stakers thursday before friday dump

[suchmoon]

Per the timeline, they were going to announce the companies they have purchased.  I did not see that anywhere, but could have missed the announcement.  Anyone see this pop up or just another empty promise in the future ghost town?

They did mention some unnamed acquisition(s) - possibly zincsave? - here:

https://hashtalk.org/topic/23711

GAW has been busy acquiring companies and patents...

Weirdly that thread is locked now.

I don't think they ever named any acquisitions, except ZenMiner. There have been many "companies purchased", pools, rental services, exchanges, etc.

[WaffleMaster]

Testimonials before even launched. This is definitely against the law. Complete fraud.
With complete time stamps and url.

[dekay]

Testimonials before even launched. This is definitely against the law. Complete fraud.
With complete time stamps and url.

https://i.imgur.com/XKnor1E.png

this shits a joke and nightmare for those with upgraded wallets and hp is the fiat reserve real?

[bitcoinnoisseur]

Zinc Save Chrome Extension Reviews

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/zinc-save/ilhdgckadlnbjppaaeinaekjcoanhbce/reviews?hl=en

Kimberly Frisbee May 20, 2014

Let me just state that I only installed this app so that I could post this review. I have not, nor have any intention of, using this "awesome, excellent, no-brainer" BS app! However, after reading Eric Ellis' review about fake reviews, I read through every review published on ZincSave. He is right; they are all fake reviews. They all use the same terminology, bring up the same complaints, and really, all 5's? All the time? No! And who mentions the name of the product they are reviewing in their review? Only marketing gimmicks do that. And that is a bunch of crap. Now that I've posted this REAL review, I am uninstalling. READ PEOPLE!

Matthew Jennings Mar 15, 2014

Save money on all your purchases??? Pure marketing BS. "Zinc Save is not available for this order." That is actual message I got when I tried to use the service at Amazon.

I don't know how this service is supposed to work but if you only save money on purchases where you can save money, that is torturing the logic of the statement of:

'click "Order with Zinc" to save money 100% of the time!'

[I_IZ_CEO]

Per the timeline, they were going to announce the companies they have purchased.  I did not see that anywhere, but could have missed the announcement.  Anyone see this pop up or just another empty promise in the future ghost town?

They did mention some unnamed acquisition(s) - possibly zincsave? - here:

https://hashtalk.org/topic/23711

GAW has been busy acquiring companies and patents...

Weirdly that thread is locked now.

I don't think they ever named any acquisitions, except ZenMiner. There have been many "companies purchased", pools, rental services, exchanges, etc.

He also stated he purchased, where do I start.. A news outlet? A mining pool or a couple of mining pools? Factory to manufacture BTC miners (he was in the last phase of building the vaultbreakers)? A new office opening up in the west-coast (I thought volder already had this from a long time ago, he was selling for them at high prices)? And so many other things, I'm too tired to remember what else. Everyday he has a new rabbit out of his hat and its getting hard to keep track of everything and remember.

 

[Searing]

nicehash has hit 2PH/s and there is no let-up in the high prices.

keep renting 

LONG POST (you don't like my ramblings put me /ignore I don't mind...just a warning!)


well I will get yelled at for my fence sitting here but here goes and what some will call my 'evil tagline'

as you can see i have the GAW tagline below (i get 0.10 btc per month for 50 posts min had it like 5 months when gaw just sold equip till now at least)

I got it when they sold miners then hashnet now this paycoin...so far no problems..but as GAW  move into paycoin 'ethics' may be kicking in due to
plain confusion on my part about GAW Josh and the whole mindset in general on if this is a well thought out SCAM from the get to or if they really
think at GAW that paycoin is the next big alt coin and may be 'simply deluded' which means no ethical issues ..just plain out dumb idea/marketing etc
by GAW (up to this point...failure could morph this into SCAM territory if the paycoin fails don't ya know ..denial)

so my problem is ethics wise (ie what I'm doing) can be put on two parts

1) I am mining my KNC Jupiter 567gh machine on nicehash...and getting 10x the price I could get on their sha256 coin...compared to btc.  I have little problem with this
in that new coins are mostly SPECULATION AND HYPE to dig themselves out of the herd and hope to be noticed ..so if GAW wants to make a coin and POW
with it first before selling it as 'virtual miners" to others as a POS who am I do judge....(I doubt when everyone sells at the 3 month mark it will work) but
hey its an alt you have the right to dream a little ...even if you are GAW and you really think your paycoin will be the next big thing (who am I to say still... confused about
dodgecoin?) so I've no ethics problems about the above in that imho all alts fall into this at the start...again 'my view'.

2) the more difficult ethics question on if to keep the tag line or not below....well my current thinking (at least till this weekend when it all pops at GAW should
get some clarity there) is that the main folks at GAW have the hubris and maybe desire (delusion?) to believe at the very least they can get paycoin out and
it will eventually be as big as Litecoin...(i refer you to hype/etc on their forums/tweets/posts etc).

Now from what I can tell from GAW execs and others involved high up from the CEO down ...I think they really do frigging believe they have the next great coin
and virtual miner concept is brilliance on their part...(guess on the miner side numbers will tell) and they have a 'real shot' at being a successful alt coin (paycoin)
linked to a virtual miner operation that will be the 'next great thing' so to speak

Just as BFL at the beginning thought they 'could' build miners and KNC thought they 'could' deliver 2nd generation miners.....GAW seems to think the same.

So in other words it is not a SCAM per say if you have drunk the kool aid with everyone else. Which again (imho) seems to be likely at this point in time.

After this weekend and when it all may go all 'pear shaped ' so to speak ..how they adjust to that new reality...will tell me much on if imho it is now
morphing into 'denial' and 'scam' territory' ..when the dream may die so to speak....that will tell us much..at this point the SCAM could then morph
into reality in a big big way......a way to save face/$$$/ego etc...remember most conspiracies (or scams) happen after a failure to 'cover up" so
that will be the real test of GAW when that point is reached. (again trying to be even handed here for arguments sake...but even I had a hard
time typing the above line) but anyway pressing on with my rationalization

so in conclusion this may all be a big rationalization on my part (likely) so i can mine sha256 coin at 10x the btc rate and/or keep my funny gaw tagline....
but again ....everyone is so 'kooky' in all this ..GAW hype of Paycoin seems like company and customers
alike at this point in time ALL have drunk the kool aid ...so it is not a deliberate SCAM ....(MAYE YET?)
.and then again as I said I can't figure out how dodgecoin works at this point in time either...so I will give GAW a bit more time to fall flat on face
or succeed on this ...not tagging them at this point as a 'deliberate scam' in that they may be deluded as heck but not scammers yet (again imho)

anyway know people when I got the tagline and GAW did miners then hashlets well the early guys did OK....now moved to paycoin and my bet is I probably
will have to dump the tag line below soon ..unless some more clarity on wtf is really going on with paycoin and their 3/6 month scheme and such.

but mining on www.nicehash.com gaw's attempt to make an alt coin...more power to them ....anyone can do that or I should say 'try that'

but if paycoin is not SCAM from the get go at GAW and  a 'possible deluded but real effort" by GAW to get paycoin in the mainstream ..
well flop it might but does not YET hit (again imho) meet the threshold of a scam....

again massive rationalization (it could be on my part) (likely) but how I manage to fence sit so far (although getting a bit wobbly up here)...things
imho will be quite clear one way or another by jan 1st 2015 on all this paycoin and GAW drama shakes out in the next couple weeks.

and I leave you this clip on 'rationalization' which I would imagine for a lot of us who have our 'toe' dipped into this whole GAW endeavor ..in one manner or another
pretty much sums up from josh pres of GAW to myself and all those in between what "may be" going on at GAW and maybe their real deluded attempt to get out what
they think is the 'next big thing' (silly hairless monkey primates that we all are ..er DNA wise)

anyway rationalization explained via the film "The big chill" youtube below ..pretty much sums up 'in the BEST case scenario" what is going on here imho
the more dark versions of what may be going on here are also on this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9FJiDFVoOo

then again wtf do I know I bought from BFL back in the day (miracle I got a refund) and NO I DO NOT own nor plan to any hashstalker virtual miners at this
time due to the above concerns...just from my somewhat wobbly fence sitting here with my tag line and such..how I see it at this point in time..but I
have real doubts that if it is not in the true sense a scam now due to intent the temptation to be a scam later when it starts to unravel will be huge.

Anyway my take on this thru the lens of 'self-interest' I kinda think the whole issue of scam or not will be resolved within the next week or so and be
clear to all....

I will now hide in my 'mental' bitcointalk bunker for the inevitable barrage of crap coming my way on the above post...INCOMING (ducks!)

Searing

 

[Missouri_Miner]

Per the timeline, they were going to announce the companies they have purchased.  I did not see that anywhere, but could have missed the announcement.  Anyone see this pop up or just another empty promise in the future ghost town?

They did mention some unnamed acquisition(s) - possibly zincsave? - here:

https://hashtalk.org/topic/23711

Thanks, could not choke my way though that pile of BS

[dekay]

seems people are asking when they can sell paycoins 20$ now on ht shits collapseing  pcfan said there isnt a said date and we should check exchange rates seems there backing away from 20$ pc fan just openly said check a exchange price your happy with thats 9$ if im correct keep in mind thatll be 0.01 usd come friday now if you check the tos at zenminer it becomes obvious without a floor there is 0 reason to accept pre mine garbage

[suchmoon]

I will now hide in my 'mental' bitcointalk bunker for the inevitable barrage of crap coming my way on the above post...INCOMING (ducks!)
Searing

Don't pay too much attention to all the yelling. At least you're trying to think critically and if you come to a slightly different conclusion than others it doesn't automatically make it wrong. Of course there are many many red flags and it's easy to mistake that for evidence, but there really isn't conclusive evidence yet that this is all a huge scam, or I should say all evidence is circumstantial or whatever the legal mumbo jumbo would be. You will also find many others here profiting nicely from SHA256 mining, which is about as morally questionable as your signature. Crap, I'm veering to the wrong side. I guess what I'm trying to say is - thank you for your long post, and I hope you'll find a sig campaign that is less controversial.

[WaffleMaster]

I'm not exactly sure if merchantd use BitPay or coinbase or whatever, but I buy things instantly with Bitcoin. Just because the blocks are 10 minutes doesn't mean I wait...they give me an address, I send it and immediately get the product or service I had. Paybase, Paysave...seems like unoriginal names to services that already exist...they're just cloning shit and putting their own name on it thinking they can hit it big, which they can because the lemmings, instead of throwing themselves off cliffs, are throwing their money.

[suchmoon]

seems people are asking when they can sell paycoins 20$ now on ht shits collapseing

Hmm... what if this $20 floor works in two ways:

You can spend it on Amazon et al via Paybase

and/or

You can only sell your XPY for $20 if there is someone buying it at $20 - like one of the early Prime buybacks worked.

I still find it hard to believe there would be a dump-all-you-want floor.