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April 03, 2013, 04:36:39 AM
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Not worth anything. BFL has not delivered its product. The bet is WON. "Butterfly Labs will not ship" before April 1.

I agree, but betsofbitco.in said it was a draw!

http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=701

WTF??

I have no money in this.  Clearly by the bet rules BFL did not ship.  I can not see how betsofbitco.in maintains credibility with this decision.

The primary reason is the title of the bet itself and the word SHIP.  Nothing has shipped.  Case closed.  Beyond that:

"Before April 1st 2013, at least one BFL customer with a bitcointalk.org forum account established prior to the bet's opening date shall post detailed and credible photos of the device on the forum, including photos of it operating, and report its hashrate. This customer cannot be a BFL employee. "




I fail to understand how betsofbitcoin can claim both that titles DO count in bets, and that this one was a draw. Clearly BFL did not ship anything. Total loss of credibility.
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April 08, 2013, 06:12:52 PM
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Would it be possible to get a new shipping estimate from an official BFL employee?

I didn't find up to date information on the BFL website.

Asking on the official BFL forums, I only got trolled & ridiculed, no valuable information was given to me.

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April 08, 2013, 06:15:26 PM
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Would it be possible to get a new shipping estimate from an official BFL employee?

I didn't find up to date information on the BFL website.

Asking on the official BFL forums, I only got trolled & ridiculed, no valuable information was given to me.

There is an algorithm for calculating the current estimated shipping date for BFL ASICs.

Today + 1 month = ETA.

You can use that equation at any moment in time to find out exactly when BFL is going to ship.

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April 08, 2013, 06:18:49 PM
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Would it be possible to get a new shipping estimate from an official BFL employee?

I didn't find up to date information on the BFL website.

Asking on the official BFL forums, I only got trolled & ridiculed, no valuable information was given to me.


I wonder why.

They say in April.
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April 08, 2013, 06:29:05 PM
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Would it be possible to get a new shipping estimate from an official BFL employee?

I didn't find up to date information on the BFL website.

Asking on the official BFL forums, I only got trolled & ridiculed, no valuable information was given to me.


I wonder why.

They say in April.

Right. ...and in a couple weeks they'll say "May, maybe sooner, but expect shipping in May".

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April 08, 2013, 06:34:02 PM
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Would it be possible to get a new shipping estimate from an official BFL employee?

I didn't find up to date information on the BFL website.

Asking on the official BFL forums, I only got trolled & ridiculed, no valuable information was given to me.


I wonder why.

They say in April.

Right. ...and in a couple weeks they'll say "May, maybe sooner, but expect shipping in May".

2014?
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April 08, 2013, 06:35:35 PM
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Would it be possible to get a new shipping estimate from an official BFL employee?

I didn't find up to date information on the BFL website.

Asking on the official BFL forums, I only got trolled & ridiculed, no valuable information was given to me.

It's right on the order page.

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Pre-order Terms: Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of April 2013. Products are shipped according to placement in the order queue, and delivery may take 2 months or more after order. All sales are final.

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April 08, 2013, 06:50:10 PM
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Would it be possible to get a new shipping estimate from an official BFL employee?

I didn't find up to date information on the BFL website.

Asking on the official BFL forums, I only got trolled & ridiculed, no valuable information was given to me.



Shipping always starts the last half of whatever the current month is...

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"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of January 2013."
"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of February 2013."
"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of March 2013."
"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of April 2013."


Also from the horses FAQ mouth.. Any orders made in April 2013 + 4-6 Months for delivery!  Wink

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showwiki.php?title=FAQ:Real+Shipping+Estimate&do=article#post22854

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April 08, 2013, 07:06:49 PM
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Would it be possible to get a new shipping estimate from an official BFL employee?

I didn't find up to date information on the BFL website.

Asking on the official BFL forums, I only got trolled & ridiculed, no valuable information was given to me.



Shipping always starts the last half of whatever the current month is...

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"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of January 2013."
"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of February 2013."
"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of March 2013."
"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of April 2013."


Also from the horses FAQ mouth.. Any orders made in April 2013 + 4-6 Months for delivery!  Wink

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showwiki.php?title=FAQ:Real+Shipping+Estimate&do=article#post22854
Question:
 How long before I receive my units?
 
Answer:
 Could be 4-6 months if you ordered in early April!
This years april or next years? Butterfly labs is a Full YEAR behind schedual, They fucking conned everyone into investing without dividends or shares. FUCKING THIEVES.

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April 08, 2013, 07:10:04 PM
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Really looking forward to all my BFL ASICs

This is an excellent exercise in patience.
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April 08, 2013, 07:26:53 PM
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Shipping always starts the last half of whatever the current month is...

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"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of October 2012."
"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of November 2012."
"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of December 2012."
"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of January 2013."
"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of February 2013."
"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of March 2013."
"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of April 2013."

FTFY.

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April 08, 2013, 07:31:45 PM
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From the information available it looks like development on the board and chips started in March 2013. The rest of the time before that seems to consist of marketing and developing those sexy cases.  Cheesy
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April 08, 2013, 08:07:31 PM
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From the information available it looks like development started in March 2013. The rest of the time before that seems to consist of Marketing and developing those sexy cases.  Cheesy
And conning everyone into investing without giving them SHIT FUCK ALL
Goddamned con artist on thier lead staff Nailed everyone

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April 08, 2013, 11:15:27 PM
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From the information available it looks like development started in March 2013. The rest of the time before that seems to consist of Marketing and developing those sexy cases.  Cheesy
And conning everyone into investing without giving them SHIT FUCK ALL
Goddamned con artist on thier lead staff Nailed everyone

Hey, the people who got fucked the hardest are getting a 25% discount on their future orders. With the increased prices, that really ads up.

Oh wait, it's only up to the value of the original order, so if you ordered a single then for $1300, and order a single now for $2500, you only get $325 off which is only 13% of the order Cheesy

God, it has to hurt getting fucked so hard, and so consistently.
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April 08, 2013, 11:22:28 PM
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From the information available it looks like development started in March 2013. The rest of the time before that seems to consist of Marketing and developing those sexy cases.  Cheesy
And conning everyone into investing without giving them SHIT FUCK ALL
Goddamned con artist on thier lead staff Nailed everyone

Hey, the people who got fucked the hardest are getting a 25% discount on their future orders. With the increased prices, that really ads up.

Oh wait, it's only up to the value of the original order, so if you ordered a single then for $1300, and order a single now for $2500, you only get $325 off which is only 13% of the order Cheesy

God, it has to hurt getting fucked so hard, and so consistently.

It hurts me to see them all keeping bending over and backing up for more.....

too many grasshoppers, not enough ants
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April 08, 2013, 11:24:59 PM
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From the information available it looks like development started in March 2013. The rest of the time before that seems to consist of Marketing and developing those sexy cases.  Cheesy
And conning everyone into investing without giving them SHIT FUCK ALL
Goddamned con artist on thier lead staff Nailed everyone

Hey, the people who got fucked the hardest are getting a 25% discount on their future orders. With the increased prices, that really ads up.

Oh wait, it's only up to the value of the original order, so if you ordered a single then for $1300, and order a single now for $2500, you only get $325 off which is only 13% of the order Cheesy

God, it has to hurt getting fucked so hard, and so consistently.

Discount is valid only until next week, so hurry and preorder the next batch so they can scam you some more before running off.
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April 08, 2013, 11:25:05 PM
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At this point it's just funny. I stopped feeling bad for them. The fanbots are quite entertaining.
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April 09, 2013, 12:36:32 AM
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Would it be possible to get a new shipping estimate from an official BFL employee?

I didn't find up to date information on the BFL website.

Asking on the official BFL forums, I only got trolled & ridiculed, no valuable information was given to me.



Shipping always starts the last half of whatever the current month is...

Quote
"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of January 2013."
"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of February 2013."
"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of March 2013."
"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of April 2013."


Also from the horses FAQ mouth.. Any orders made in April 2013 + 4-6 Months for delivery!  Wink

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showwiki.php?title=FAQ:Real+Shipping+Estimate&do=article#post22854

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FAQ:Real Shipping Estimate
 
New discussion comments. Go to first unread.

Question:
When will BFL actually start shipping to customers?

Answer:
BFL is expected to begin sending units out by no later than April 30th. Of course this is subject to change if BFL runs into any issues.

Question:
How long before I receive my units?

Answer:
Could be 4-6 months if you ordered in early April!

BFL has over 33,000 order numbers right now. Some maybe fake or refunded. ie. cancelled. Say 30%. That still leaves little over 23,000 valid orders.

Some people ordered 1 unit. Others 2. Others 3 and some with 4 units. So, expect the avg. units/order to be about 2. Could also be 2.5 or 3 or even 1.5, etc.

That means 46,000 units, 2 x 23,000, before getting to last order made today. Very likely this number is right but impossible to know for sure.

BFL will make 400 units/day. 2,000 units/week. 8,000 units/month. That means:
->4 months = 32,000 units
->5 months = 40,000 units
->6 months = 48,000 units

If you want to be somewhat optimistic you could say, 40% cancelled but that seems a tad high to me & 1.5 units per order which is little on the low side.
33,000 * 0.6 = ~20,000 * 1.5 = 30,000 units = 3 months + 3 weeks (almost 4 months) before order ships out.

DELIVERY TIME
Add another at least 12-15 days for outside of USA or 4-7 days inside USA to that time.

This comes out to 4-6 months to receive an order placed around early April.


NOTES:

* Cancelled orders can be more or less than estimated. It is impossible to know exactly how many there are for sure. Some people have said maybe as high as 50-70% for fake & refunded orders. Just redo the math to get an estimated ship date for your order if you agree with them instead.

** Unit avg per order is very likely 2 but can be more (or less).

I had to guess for both the percentage of cancelled orders and units/order. I believe and hope they are close to the actual results but have no idea whether those guesses are right or wrong.


PS, even if you were really optimistic, 50% cancel + 1.5 units/order, you still would be looking around 3+ months before product shipped out to you.

PPS, It maybe best to go with 50% cancel & 2 units/order. That will make this shipping "guess" closer to both 30 & 70% because half way in-between them. This would make sense since the actual cancelled orders are unknown by us and could be somewhere between 30-70%.
33,000 * .5 * 2 = 33,000 units / 2,000 = 16.5 weeks = 4.125 months ​+ delivery time.

How does one put in a fake order and how do they not know how many orders there are? Overall, I enjoyed the fuzzy math.

I have a question for those who've ordered more than one unit at the same time: Did you get a single order number, or an order number assigned to each unit. If the former, wouldn't they have to send your complete order at the same time oppose to splitting up the order?
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April 09, 2013, 12:53:44 AM
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I have a question for those who've ordered more than one unit at the same time: Did you get a single order number, or an order number assigned to each unit. If the former, wouldn't they have to send your complete order at the same time oppose to splitting up the order?

It just depends on how far teleporter technology progresses over the next 25 years.

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April 09, 2013, 02:43:39 AM
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How does one put in a fake order [...] ?

Before it was as easy as slapping the keyboard a bit to get some random info typed in..and then hit submit and get a price in BTC. Now it's a bit more rigorous by comparison, unless you don't mind creating a bunch of new BFL accounts.

I have a question for those who've ordered more than one unit at the same time: Did you get a single order number, or an order number assigned to each unit. If the former, wouldn't they have to send your complete order at the same time oppose to splitting up the order?

I ordered 4 at a time, and they're all under one order number. I presume they'd be shipped out in one big box all at once..especially since it was a single shipping cost for the 4 as well.

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