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Title: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: BFL on June 16, 2012, 06:11:15 AM December 2012 UPDATE
For up to date, accurate information, please visit our new forums: https://forums.butterflylabs.com We provide support and official information in our forums for all things related to BFL. Original Post We have officially announced our upcoming ASIC based SHA256 products today. Here's the press release with most of the relevant details: http://news.yahoo.com/butterfly-labs-announces-next-generation-asic-lineup-054626776.html Note: We're currently focused on the shipment of our Mini Rig product (http://www.butterflylabs.com/mini-rig-production-line/) and won't be able to field questions for a few days but we'll be back with answers to any questions. Kind regards, BFL Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: gmaxwell on January 27, 2013, 10:18:34 PM Before posting, please make sure you read these subforum guidelines (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139380.0).
The prior history (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139375.0) of this thread was split off after it devolved into more noise than signal. BFL ASIC Status (link provided by SLoK) https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html) Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Fiyasko on January 28, 2013, 01:14:14 AM Finally a clean BFL Announcement thread, Hopefully BFLabs will post thier most recent info here on this thread, because the opening post is kind of old
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: btharper on January 28, 2013, 05:24:48 AM Before posting, please make sure you read these subforum guidelines (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139380.0). Darn, I was hoping that was new info from BFL. Thanks for the cleanup thoughThe prior history (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139375.0) of this thread was split off after it devolved into more noise than signal. BFL ASIC Status (link provided by SLoK) https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html) Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: RHA on January 28, 2013, 09:16:24 AM Current info (updated weekly) is here:
---> BFL ASIC Status (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html) Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: makomk on January 28, 2013, 10:51:22 AM This is actually new-ish info, I think?
Quote from: BFL_Josh I wanted to have a bit more information for this update, but it looks like I will have to wait until tomorrow to talk to a couple people. The most important thing I wanted to convey to people at this time was that we have changed our initial "batch" from 12 wafers to 6 wafers, or to be more specific, it's apparently always been 6 with the additional six scheduled for about 1.5 weeks after that. Due to the short time frame between the two, there was a miscommunication as to the actual number of wafers being delivered in the first round. I don't know that this will affect any sort of shipping, since the next set of wafers will be done about when we are ready to start assembly on the first set. The 6 wafers is actually a good set point for the "first batch" shipping, so the 1/3 plan will be implemented for the first 6 wafers and the remaining wafers will then all be FIFO. The first 6 wafers should cut into the pre-order orderbook by a decent chunk, but it obviously won't satisfy them all. We aren't sure what our yield will be on the wafers, we are running on an 80% yield speculation, but it's likely our yield will be much, much higher than that. With our design, we can have a core in a chip disabled due to dust or what have you and just bump up the other 15 cores to compensate and/or use it for a Jalapeno, so our yield will likely be much closer to 100% than other ASIC projects with more complicated chips. We should see the bulk of what remains of the 75k chip run about 2 weeks after that, so about the time we are done shipping the other 6 wafers worth we'll have the bulk of our chips arrive and we'll start assembling/shipping those. The bumping situation is mostly wrapped up at this point, so there should be no problem there. I know there was some talk about the final mask with regards to the bumping and that it may push the date of the chip completion back a couple days, but it shouldn't impact the timeline to speak of as a couple days on either side of the 31st of January shouldn't really make much of difference, being as it's basically a weekend and is in transit anyway. I am hoping to have confirmation with regards to that tomorrow (Monday). I obviously haven't left for the fab yet, and Mondays call will determine when/if I leave. We have changed our bumping facility from the left coast to the right coast (North Carolina), so we may have the 6 wafers overnighted via courier to the bumping facility vs me picking them up and couriering them myself, although I will be meeting them at the bumping facility and making sure they don't sit around for a couple days while some guy eats and egg salad sandwich and wonders why there's a "priority!" box on his desk. It's possible they're holding half their initial batch of wafers part-way through the wafer deposition process like ASICMINER did, in case they need to be revised. To be honest, I'd thought this was what Josh was hinting about a while ago regardign being able to revise their designs, so it's a surprise that he's so surprised by it. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: lucif on January 28, 2013, 01:14:46 PM Quote From: Butterfly Labs Inc <office@butterflylabs.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 06:59:07 -0600 Quote You must order your Jalapeno through our website. When you choose BTC you will be directed to send the required number of BTC. There are no ASIC machines completed yet as the chips have not arrived. With the volume of orders we have already taken your order may not be shipped until May. If we used the machines ourselves instead of selling them, we would break the BTC. To be viable, many people must choose to use BTC. We are a hardware manufacturer. Jody until May... Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: DobZombie on January 28, 2013, 01:54:47 PM Quote From: Butterfly Labs Inc <office@butterflylabs.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 06:59:07 -0600 Quote You must order your Jalapeno through our website. When you choose BTC you will be directed to send the required number of BTC. There are no ASIC machines completed yet as the chips have not arrived. With the volume of orders we have already taken your order may not be shipped until May. If we used the machines ourselves instead of selling them, we would break the BTC. To be viable, many people must choose to use BTC. We are a hardware manufacturer. Jody until May... what am I looking at here? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: btharper on January 28, 2013, 02:41:56 PM This is actually new-ish info, I think? Ahh, I figured they'd update the first comment, new information is staying there I suppose.It's possible they're holding half their initial batch of wafers part-way through the wafer deposition process like ASICMINER did, in case they need to be revised. To be honest, I'd thought this was what Josh was hinting about a while ago regardign being able to revise their designs, so it's a surprise that he's so surprised by it. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Korbman on January 28, 2013, 02:53:54 PM Glad to see a cleaned up thread. Let's see how many pages we go before it falls into chaos again :P
This week should be pretty big for BFL, assuming they're still sticking to their schedule. Hopefully we'll have a progress update soon as well. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Fiyasko on January 28, 2013, 03:13:26 PM Well according to thier own schedual they are falling behind, a BFL guy (josh) should be driving in a motor vehicle right now as "the final chips roll out"
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: MonsterZero on January 28, 2013, 03:17:54 PM Well according to thier own schedual they are falling behind, a BFL guy (josh) should be driving in a motor vehicle right now as "the final chips roll out" Quote from: BFL_Josh I obviously haven't left for the fab yet, and Mondays call will determine when/if I leave. We have changed our bumping facility from the left coast to the right coast (North Carolina), so we may have the 6 wafers overnighted via courier to the bumping facility vs me picking them up and couriering them myself, although I will be meeting them at the bumping facility and making sure they don't sit around for a couple days while some guy eats and egg salad sandwich and wonders why there's a "priority!" box on his desk. Of course his update post changes this if you read it. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Fiyasko on January 28, 2013, 03:30:42 PM FallING behind, they arent behind yet, so long as josh drives today
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: noncecents on January 29, 2013, 01:31:34 AM I would not be surprised if they were being DDOS'd.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: greyhawk on January 29, 2013, 01:36:50 AM I would not be surprised if they were being DDOS'd. Please stop spreading FUD. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Inaba on January 29, 2013, 01:55:51 AM I was rebooting the box the forums run on to add some memory to speed things up. It took a few minutes longer than I anticipated, sorry about that. Jeez, down for ten minutes and people think we are packing up shop, really? Even when the website itself was still up?
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Inaba on January 29, 2013, 06:26:58 AM Forums are going to be down for a bit. I'm bringing the box down to install more physical ram and work on a couple other things. Shouldn't be more than an hour (hopefully much less than that)
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: DobZombie on January 29, 2013, 10:36:37 AM ooooh, it's all clean in here!
;D Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: JWU42 on January 30, 2013, 12:09:55 PM For those of you that do not frequent the BFL Forums -- https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html#post12237
Quote I will most likely be headed to the fab at the end of the week to be prepared to pick up the chips next week. The broker says no later than the 8th on the chips, but most likely earlier. Even if the chips roll off the line on the 8th, it doesn't affect the timeline much. Here is the current projected timeline: Leave for the fab ~ Feb 1st or 2nd Acquire 6 wafers earliest Feb 4th - Latest Feb 8th Transport wafers same day to bumping facility 2 days in bumping facility Transport to substrate and packaging 1 - 2 days for substrate and packaging Transport to assembly house < 24 hours at assembly house ~1 day for chip verification/testing Transport to Kansas City Bulk assembly / send out demo units Ship bulk units Our timeline is still on target for the week of the 10th, probably towards the later part of the week. If the worst case scenario in every step comes to pass, we are looking at starting shipping around Monday the 18th. Best case scenario we will start shipping around Wednesday the 13th or Thursday the 14th. This is, of course, subject to change, but I will keep everyone updated when/if there are any changes. Happy for the update... Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on January 30, 2013, 01:39:47 PM For those of you that do not frequent the BFL Forums -- https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html#post12237 Interesting update. I am still doubtful of BFL not delaying through. After you roll 1 ten times, you start realizing the dice is loadedQuote I will most likely be headed to the fab at the end of the week to be prepared to pick up the chips next week. The broker says no later than the 8th on the chips, but most likely earlier. Even if the chips roll off the line on the 8th, it doesn't affect the timeline much. Here is the current projected timeline: Leave for the fab ~ Feb 1st or 2nd Acquire 6 wafers earliest Feb 4th - Latest Feb 8th Transport wafers same day to bumping facility 2 days in bumping facility Transport to substrate and packaging 1 - 2 days for substrate and packaging Transport to assembly house . 24 hours at assembly house ~1 day for chip verification/testing Transport to Kansas City Bulk assembly / send out demo units Ship bulk units Our timeline is still on target for the week of the 10th, probably towards the later part of the week. If the worst case scenario in every step comes to pass, we are looking at starting shipping around Monday the 18th. Best case scenario we will start shipping around Wednesday the 13th or Thursday the 14th. This is, of course, subject to change, but I will keep everyone updated when/if there are any changes. Happy for the update... Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: creativex on January 30, 2013, 04:47:16 PM What the hell kind of fab are they dealing with that can't seem to give BFL firm dates for anything ever? Fabs are run like precision clockwork, not kindergarten field trips.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: crazyates on January 30, 2013, 05:06:00 PM For those of you that do not frequent the BFL Forums -- https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html#post12237 And...they slipped yet again.Happy for the update... Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Fuzzy on January 30, 2013, 05:53:56 PM they've gone from bumping from "By end of next month at the latest" to "By end of next week at the latest".
I'm betting they use the "next week" line to transition into "next month". Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Atruk on January 31, 2013, 12:48:25 AM they've gone from bumping from "By end of next month at the latest" to "By end of next week at the latest". Shoot, you saw through their plans!I'm betting they use the "next week" line to transition into "next month". time to kill the thread http://garzikrants.blogspot.se (http://garzikrants.blogspot.se) No, it isn't time to kill the thread. I'll admit I've made some Box of Fans Labs jokes, but now that Avalon has shipped I'm pulling for Butterfly to do so as well. The recent Butterfly updates where they start talking about numbers of wafers seem convincing to me that this is probably getting done (confidence interval of 75%). Why I'm pulling for them to ship though isn't the $0 I have preordered in ASIC equiptment. It is because of how fucking exciting the prospect of two massive jumps in technology over the course of roughly a month is. I don't know about how many other people, but jumping from general purpose GPU/FPGA hardware to coarse small batch ASIC hardware, to ASICs on a node size that Intel and AMD were shipping not that long ago is exciting. Avalon's second patch preorder is probably going to sell out fast, but if Butterfly get get units in people's hands by March 1st the mining harware market is going to become an interesting slugfest through at least this summer. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: testerx on January 31, 2013, 04:38:20 AM I really hope there's no more delays and these units get shipped via a fairly fast method (since they're coming from China) or the Avalon units will have increased difficulty to the extent that it's going to be a lot harder to recoup the unit costs. Honestly, I'm pretty disappointed that BFL wasn't first to ship, I thought for sure you guys were going to ship first.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: repentance on January 31, 2013, 05:49:49 AM I really hope there's no more delays and these units get shipped via a fairly fast method (since they're coming from China) or the Avalon units will have increased difficulty to the extent that it's going to be a lot harder to recoup the unit costs. BFL units are being assembled in and shipped from the US. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: BitMinerN8 on January 31, 2013, 05:53:13 AM I really hope there's no more delays and these units get shipped via a fairly fast method (since they're coming from China) or the Avalon units will have increased difficulty to the extent that it's going to be a lot harder to recoup the unit costs. BFL units are being assembled in and shipped from the US. Kansas City, Missouri http://www.butterflylabs.com/contact/ Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: smoothie on January 31, 2013, 06:10:58 AM I really hope there's no more delays and these units get shipped via a fairly fast method (since they're coming from China) or the Avalon units will have increased difficulty to the extent that it's going to be a lot harder to recoup the unit costs. Honestly, I'm pretty disappointed that BFL wasn't first to ship, I thought for sure you guys were going to ship first. Yeah that is pretty sad. 3 months head-start on AVALON + 10 times customer pre order funds (at least)...and still waiting. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Jack1Rip1BurnIt on January 31, 2013, 07:07:23 AM Man I hope they hurry up dude. I'm so over waiting for my order from BFL it ain't even funny!
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: mezzomix on January 31, 2013, 07:30:04 AM As the Avalon has a working ASIC now, the clock is ticking for BFL. AFAIK they have now working silicon right now and if the current waver run fail, we will see another 12++ week shift.
If BFL shift again, I expect they will see a wave of refund requests rolling in. The interesting question is, will BFL follow the bASIC road? Really bad, if there will be an Avalon monopoly in the future. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: repentance on February 02, 2013, 07:42:47 AM From Josh.
Quote No, I was going to leave tomorrow but we are rearranging the schedule a bit. I should have an updated one later this weekend or Monday at the latest. Me sitting around in a hotel waiting on the fab is probably not the best use of my time, so we are going to figure out where the best use of my ass for sitting on desks is going to be. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/837-sunday-27-jan-2013-asic-update-discussion-thread-12.html#post12626 Looks like the chips won't be ready on the 4th then. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Puppet on February 02, 2013, 07:58:20 AM As the Avalon has a working ASIC now, the clock is ticking for BFL. AFAIK they have now working silicon right now and if the current waver run fail, we will see another 12++ week shift. It boggles the mind to think BFL promised initially to ship in august (was it?) while it appears that even to date they still dont have a single working prototype. Im basing that on the fact we have not seen one and Josh's statements regarding yields and power consumption indicate to me they have no real clue about those numbers other than what simulations provide. If the above is correct, then all sorts of things could still go wrong and I would put the chances of BFL shipping this month at no more than 50/50 and the chances of them shipping and hitting their specs at even less. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Puppet on February 02, 2013, 10:40:32 AM Fair enough, I may remember wrong. Doesnt change the fact that promising a shipping date now thats only a few days after they expect to receive their wafers (and what i assume will be their very first silicon), is unlikely to pan out. Not impossible, but unlikely. Even if you are cocky enough to assume you dont need a respin, then you typically would still give yourself at the very least a few weeks for testing, validation and characterization of your first silicon before you start mass producing. Especially if you already have a reputation for widely missing deadlines and specs.
TL;DR Unless BFL already received prototypes from a hot lot last year and they kept it quiet, I dont believe they will ship anything this month, and its even rather plausible they will need several more months if their chips dont pan out as expected. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: mezzomix on February 03, 2013, 08:10:45 PM In case of BFL I would say no new is bad news. I don't expect them to ship anything this month and I assume chances are quite low that they will ship in March. Talking about vouchers for early pre-order customers is a really bad sign! I read from these messages that they prepare for another large delay.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: repentance on February 04, 2013, 07:32:02 AM Any word yet on when Josh is heading to the fab? The "worst case scenario" date for the chips being ready is rapidly approaching.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: PuertoLibre on February 04, 2013, 06:14:57 PM Any word yet on when Josh is heading to the fab? The "worst case scenario" date for the chips being ready is rapidly approaching. They cancelled the trip.The Fab releasing the chips was delayed until the 8th of Feb. It was originally slated for the 1st. So the entire timeline may be seeing a much later "final date". No "Ronin" runs for Josh. (Go read the BFL forums) Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: creativex on February 04, 2013, 06:21:36 PM Startling news indeed. Has BFL announced which fab they're using? The fab fail level is absolutely off the charts.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: crazyates on February 04, 2013, 06:22:03 PM Any word yet on when Josh is heading to the fab? The "worst case scenario" date for the chips being ready is rapidly approaching. They cancelled the trip.The Fab releasing the chips was delayed until the 8th of Feb. It was originally slated for the 1st. So the entire timeline may be seeing a much later "final date". No "Ronin" runs for Josh. (Go read the BFL forums) From Josh's update thread (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html) on 2013/1/30: Quote Leave for the fab ~ Feb 1st or 2nd Acquire 6 wafers earliest Feb 4th - Latest Feb 8th Your date of BFL receiving the chips on the 8th is right in line with the timeline they posted a week ago. It was not slated for the 1st, Josh's trip was scheduled for the 1st. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: MrTeal on February 04, 2013, 07:53:38 PM Any word yet on when Josh is heading to the fab? The "worst case scenario" date for the chips being ready is rapidly approaching. They cancelled the trip.The Fab releasing the chips was delayed until the 8th of Feb. It was originally slated for the 1st. So the entire timeline may be seeing a much later "final date". No "Ronin" runs for Josh. (Go read the BFL forums) From Josh's update thread (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html) on 2013/1/30: Quote Leave for the fab ~ Feb 1st or 2nd Acquire 6 wafers earliest Feb 4th - Latest Feb 8th Your date of BFL receiving the chips on the 8th is right in line with the timeline they posted a week ago. It was not slated for the 1st, Josh's trip was scheduled for the 1st. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: shwoop on February 04, 2013, 07:58:31 PM that slipped a while back.
the slippages aren't really being announced or whined about due to the lack of concrete days people can QQ over. e.g. we're currently on for the end of the week of the 10th Feb but one more hiccup and it's the week of the 17th and then the end of the week of the 17th... Personally I'm preferring the frequent updates rather than on the day it should be launching getting an update that it's not happening and we should come back in a month. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: rchapoteau on February 04, 2013, 09:29:21 PM Just to clear a few things up about what was stated so far by Josh
On the 13th of January par of the original post was Week of January 26th Final chips roll off the line Week of February 10th We implement the 1/3 shipping plan en mass The next week on the 22nd he made a change Week of February 3rd Final chips roll off the line BUT this stayed the same. Week of February 10th We implement the 1/3 shipping plan en mass We will see if this changes in a future update. I don't really care as much about what happens in the middle as much as I care about what happens in the end. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: repentance on February 05, 2013, 12:56:59 AM I was aware of the change in timeline which projected the chips being finished 4-8 February. Everything after that is on a very tight timeline. It's 5 February in Asia, so Josh needs to leave soon if he's going to collect the chips on Friday and start shipping 10 days later (which to date is the "worst case scenario" he's acknowledged).
I saw the comments about Josh not leaving on 1-2 February because Josh sitting around in a hotel room waiting for the chips wasn't regarded as the best use of his time, but no update as yet on when he will be leaving for the fab. The steps remaining after he collects the chips are : Quote - Transport wafers same day to bumping facility - 2 days in bumping facility - Transport to substrate and packaging - 1 - 2 days for substrate and packaging - Transport to assembly house - < 24 hours at assembly house - ~1 day for chip verification/testing - Transport to Kansas City - Bulk assembly / send out demo units - Ship bulk units If the worst case scenario in every step comes to pass, we are looking at starting shipping around Monday the 18th. I think they may be over-confident in believing they can meet the 18 Feb shipping date if Josh hasn't even left for the fab yet. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: JWU42 on February 05, 2013, 01:08:55 AM I think they may be over-confident in believing they can meet the 18 Feb shipping date if Josh hasn't even left for the fab yet. Sadly, I agree... Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: YipYip on February 05, 2013, 07:21:14 AM I think they may be over-confident in believing they can meet the 18 Feb shipping date if Josh hasn't even left for the fab yet. Sadly, I agree... Happily i agree :D Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Askit2 on February 05, 2013, 08:28:34 AM I was aware of the change in timeline which projected the chips being finished 4-8 February. Everything after that is on a very tight timeline. It's 5 February in Asia, so Josh needs to leave soon if he's going to collect the chips on Friday and start shipping 10 days later (which to date is the "worst case scenario" he's acknowledged). I saw the comments about Josh not leaving on 1-2 February because Josh sitting around in a hotel room waiting for the chips wasn't regarded as the best use of his time, but no update as yet on when he will be leaving for the fab. The steps remaining after he collects the chips are : Quote - Transport wafers same day to bumping facility - 2 days in bumping facility - Transport to substrate and packaging - 1 - 2 days for substrate and packaging - Transport to assembly house - < 24 hours at assembly house - ~1 day for chip verification/testing - Transport to Kansas City - Bulk assembly / send out demo units - Ship bulk units If the worst case scenario in every step comes to pass, we are looking at starting shipping around Monday the 18th. I think they may be over-confident in believing they can meet the 18 Feb shipping date if Josh hasn't even left for the fab yet. Maybe I missed where Asia was important to their time line. Last I heard California and North Carolina where the stops the chips made before Kansas. All US unless China put in a NC, Cali, or Kansas that I wasn't aware of. Maybe the lack of news causes the odd time comments or maybe you are suggesting since it is tomorrow in Asia first that a US company uses the day in Asia as their benchmark for what day things happen on. I personally have never seen a US company use a date that wasn't in their time zone so FWIW I am not sure Asia matters to BFL's timeline. I would love a real update though. Something that says how things are going. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Grouver (BtcBalance) on February 05, 2013, 08:16:36 PM Front:
http://ow.ly/i/1tysI Back: http://ow.ly/i/1tyum Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: SkRRJyTC on February 05, 2013, 09:37:03 PM Front: http://ow.ly/i/1tysI Back: http://ow.ly/i/1tyum Awesome. More info? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Tomatocage on February 05, 2013, 10:12:24 PM These units look pretty sweet. I'm not sure why the Avalon units are so large in comparison, but it reminds me of Iron Man vs. that reverse-engineered Iron Man in the first movie. I might have to put in an order for one and check it out.
Inaba, do you expect to be able to fill all orders with the first wave of bulk shipments? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Puppet on February 05, 2013, 11:16:10 PM Front: http://ow.ly/i/1tysI Back: http://ow.ly/i/1tyum More pictures of their asic without any asics :) Until I see or hear proof otherwise, I am still going to assume those wafers will be the very first actual silicon they get their hands on. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: RHA on February 05, 2013, 11:23:57 PM Front: http://static.ow.ly/photos/original/1tysI.jpg Back: http://static.ow.ly/photos/original/1tyum.jpg FTFY We see the boards are ready for FCBGA. Nice. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: John (John K.) on February 06, 2013, 02:34:32 AM Thread has been split yet again.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141496.0 Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Gomeler on February 06, 2013, 03:57:21 AM These units look pretty sweet. I'm not sure why the Avalon units are so large in comparison, but it reminds me of Iron Man vs. that reverse-engineered Iron Man in the first movie. I might have to put in an order for one and check it out. Inaba, do you expect to be able to fill all orders with the first wave of bulk shipments? Avalon went with a very simple chip on a large(110nm) process. I imagine this strategy gave them very high yields out of the wafers because of the small chip size. This came at the cost of a large PCB to route to all the chips. BFL appears to be going the other way with a few very large chips based on a smaller(65nm) process. This should give them better power efficiency and more hashing power per chip at the risk of random manufacturing defects giving them fewer of these chips per wafer. Of course one hopes for 100% yields but that isn't always the case. We'll see how this all plays out very soon. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: MrTeal on February 06, 2013, 04:43:31 AM FYI, from the BFL forum.
Quote from: Inaba Here's a quick update: We are expecting the chips on the 8th. The Fab is still maintaining that it will be the 8th, but it could be earlier than that. We are planning on the 8th though, we will have the chips sent via overnight express to our bumping and packaging facilities in California (We are not going with the North Carolina facility, as they could not meet our timeline). We are negotiating with the California bumping facility to get tooled up and ready to complete the bumping process as fast as possible. We are targeting them for being ready to bump the chips on the 14th, but it could be as late as the 18th. It should not take more than 24 hours to bump all our chips and get them to the packaging facility, where it will take another ~24 hours (probably less) to package them where I will likely be couriering them to our assembly facility. At that point it will take less than a day to assemble some boards, where I'll send the boards to a couple test facilities to make sure everything is kosher. This step will probably take 1 - 2 days, but may take less as we tweak things. Assuming everything checks out (and we have no reason to believe it won't), we will give the assembly house the go ahead to mount the rest of the chips, which will take less than 24 hours, where I will carry them back and/or overnight express them to Kansas City and we will begin assembly and shipping operations. So it's looking like the week of the 17th for shipping, probably a bit later in the week unless the bumping house really pulls it together, we might be able to ship as early at the 18th, but that is pretty optimistic, more likely is around the 22nd or so. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Tomatocage on February 06, 2013, 05:12:47 AM Avalon went with a very simple chip on a large(110nm) process. I imagine this strategy gave them very high yields out of the wafers because of the small chip size. This came at the cost of a large PCB to route to all the chips. BFL appears to be going the other way with a few very large chips based on a smaller(65nm) process. This should give them better power efficiency and more hashing power per chip at the risk of random manufacturing defects giving them fewer of these chips per wafer. Of course one hopes for 100% yields but that isn't always the case. We'll see how this all plays out very soon. Ah, thanks for the explanation. I think I'll opt for the BFL unit then. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: kano on February 07, 2013, 12:51:23 PM FYI :)
I've got my plane tickets to BFL - Kansas City today (email booked digital ticket details from the travel agent) arranged by Josh So my flight to the USA, leaving Sydney on the 17th Feb (my time) - to be back here in Aus again on the 23rd. ... so I going from Oz (Aus) to Kansas (City) ... isn't that back to front? :D Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: JWU42 on February 07, 2013, 12:56:50 PM FYI :) I've got my plane tickets to BFL - Kansas City today (email booked digital ticket details from the travel agent) arranged by Josh So my flight to the USA, leaving Sydney on the 17th Feb (my time) - to be back here in Aus again on the 23rd. ... so I going from Oz (Aus) to Kansas (City) ... isn't that back to front? :D ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: ewibit on February 07, 2013, 02:10:36 PM FYI :) nice :)I've got my plane tickets to BFL - Kansas City today (email booked digital ticket details from the travel agent) arranged by Josh So my flight to the USA, leaving Sydney on the 17th Feb (my time) - to be back here in Aus again on the 23rd. hope you make some pictures... Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: beekeeper on February 07, 2013, 02:21:07 PM ... so I going from Oz (Aus) to Kansas (City) ... isn't that back to front? :D LOL, true... what you need plane tickets, just clicking your heels three times.. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Soros Shorts on February 07, 2013, 02:29:39 PM ... so I going from Oz (Aus) to Kansas (City) ... isn't that back to front? :D LOL, true... what you need plane tickets, just clicking your heels three times.. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Korbman on February 07, 2013, 02:35:26 PM FYI :) I've got my plane tickets to BFL - Kansas City today (email booked digital ticket details from the travel agent) arranged by Josh So my flight to the USA, leaving Sydney on the 17th Feb (my time) - to be back here in Aus again on the 23rd. ... so I going from Oz (Aus) to Kansas (City) ... isn't that back to front? :D That's quite the trip! How many days do they have you touring the facilities? Anything specific on the agenda? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Fiyasko on February 07, 2013, 05:29:15 PM Thread has been split yet again. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141496.0 Guys come on! Stay on topic!, Stop talking about the wizard of Oz and Kansas and how Newegg sells shoes! Not only is this one of the most heavily moderated threads i can think of, But its already been "cleaned and split" before, And you've made him do it again! And by the looks of it, He may soon have to do it a Third time! Also, Very happy to see new photos Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: makomk on February 07, 2013, 06:30:52 PM Avalon went with a very simple chip on a large(110nm) process. I imagine this strategy gave them very high yields out of the wafers because of the small chip size. This came at the cost of a large PCB to route to all the chips. Well, that's certainly going to be part of the reason. However, take a look at the distance between chips on the BFL board and compare it to the distance between chips on the Avalon board. Now remember Josh's comment about the PCB ground plane not being able to dissipate enough heat due to the thermal density of their design, and how having to redesign the chips to fix this delayed shipping whilst Avalon shipped on schedue using similar QFN chips.Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Gomeler on February 07, 2013, 07:28:30 PM Avalon went with a very simple chip on a large(110nm) process. I imagine this strategy gave them very high yields out of the wafers because of the small chip size. This came at the cost of a large PCB to route to all the chips. Well, that's certainly going to be part of the reason. However, take a look at the distance between chips on the BFL board and compare it to the distance between chips on the Avalon board. Now remember Josh's comment about the PCB ground plane not being able to dissipate enough heat due to the thermal density of their design, and how having to redesign the chips to fix this delayed shipping whilst Avalon shipped on schedue using similar QFN chips.Excellent point. I have minimal knowledge of using the the ground pad and vias to transmit heat through the PCB but it makes logical sense that Avalon would use a larger than electrically necessary PCB to give each chip some buffer from neighboring chips. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Askit2 on February 07, 2013, 08:48:30 PM Avalon went with a very simple chip on a large(110nm) process. I imagine this strategy gave them very high yields out of the wafers because of the small chip size. This came at the cost of a large PCB to route to all the chips. Well, that's certainly going to be part of the reason. However, take a look at the distance between chips on the BFL board and compare it to the distance between chips on the Avalon board. Now remember Josh's comment about the PCB ground plane not being able to dissipate enough heat due to the thermal density of their design, and how having to redesign the chips to fix this delayed shipping whilst Avalon shipped on schedue using similar QFN chips.Excellent point. I have minimal knowledge of using the the ground pad and vias to transmit heat through the PCB but it makes logical sense that Avalon would use a larger than electrically necessary PCB to give each chip some buffer from neighboring chips. Wouldn't this require also the chips be physically farther apart to avoid heat soaking the inner ones? Plus wouldn't moving them farther apart increase the delay while communicating? I guess a person could just make a huge board and run copper out to the edges but the thermal transfer isn't as effective as a nearer solution. The size of the piece of whatever metal would dictate the maximum amount of heat that would flow at a given thermal difference. It seems like going with a flip chip (ala P3) rather then older QFN would save materials and allow a more efficient board design. By efficient I mean all data would transfer faster going over a shorter connection. Yes short trips nearly speed of light etc but small changes in location on other devices have caused >10% increases in speed. I think the more compact design would do better if it can be cooled. Thus far I see no reason it can't be cooled. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: bitcoindaddy on February 07, 2013, 09:23:55 PM FYI :) I've got my plane tickets to BFL - Kansas City today (email booked digital ticket details from the travel agent) arranged by Josh So my flight to the USA, leaving Sydney on the 17th Feb (my time) - to be back here in Aus again on the 23rd. ... so I going from Oz (Aus) to Kansas (City) ... isn't that back to front? :D Whoo-hoo! Kano is coming to America! Everyone get your daughters locked up safe! Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: nbtcminer on February 07, 2013, 09:43:57 PM FYI :) I've got my plane tickets to BFL - Kansas City today (email booked digital ticket details from the travel agent) arranged by Josh So my flight to the USA, leaving Sydney on the 17th Feb (my time) - to be back here in Aus again on the 23rd. ... so I going from Oz (Aus) to Kansas (City) ... isn't that back to front? :D Whoo-hoo! Kano is coming to America! Everyone get your daughters locked up safe! http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/34515405.jpg Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: hotdealdave on February 07, 2013, 09:47:45 PM Crikey!
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on February 08, 2013, 01:36:37 AM FYI :) I've got my plane tickets to BFL - Kansas City today (email booked digital ticket details from the travel agent) arranged by Josh So my flight to the USA, leaving Sydney on the 17th Feb (my time) - to be back here in Aus again on the 23rd. ... so I going from Oz (Aus) to Kansas (City) ... isn't that back to front? :D Whoo-hoo! Kano is coming to America! Everyone get your daughters locked up safe! Guess it before clicking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3S7mlRYL-8 Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: PuertoLibre on February 08, 2013, 03:14:58 AM FYI :) I've got my plane tickets to BFL - Kansas City today (email booked digital ticket details from the travel agent) arranged by Josh So my flight to the USA, leaving Sydney on the 17th Feb (my time) - to be back here in Aus again on the 23rd. ... so I going from Oz (Aus) to Kansas (City) ... isn't that back to front? :D Whoo-hoo! Kano is coming to America! Everyone get your daughters locked up safe! http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/34515405.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw Play it! Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: smoothie on February 08, 2013, 04:35:45 AM FYI :) I've got my plane tickets to BFL - Kansas City today (email booked digital ticket details from the travel agent) arranged by Josh So my flight to the USA, leaving Sydney on the 17th Feb (my time) - to be back here in Aus again on the 23rd. ... so I going from Oz (Aus) to Kansas (City) ... isn't that back to front? :D That's quite the trip! How many days do they have you touring the facilities? Anything specific on the agenda? Agenda: To get their stories straight so when he reports back on the forums it is exactly how BFL wants him to report things lol. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Gomeler on February 08, 2013, 06:14:56 AM Avalon went with a very simple chip on a large(110nm) process. I imagine this strategy gave them very high yields out of the wafers because of the small chip size. This came at the cost of a large PCB to route to all the chips. Well, that's certainly going to be part of the reason. However, take a look at the distance between chips on the BFL board and compare it to the distance between chips on the Avalon board. Now remember Josh's comment about the PCB ground plane not being able to dissipate enough heat due to the thermal density of their design, and how having to redesign the chips to fix this delayed shipping whilst Avalon shipped on schedue using similar QFN chips.Excellent point. I have minimal knowledge of using the the ground pad and vias to transmit heat through the PCB but it makes logical sense that Avalon would use a larger than electrically necessary PCB to give each chip some buffer from neighboring chips. Wouldn't this require also the chips be physically farther apart to avoid heat soaking the inner ones? Plus wouldn't moving them farther apart increase the delay while communicating? I guess a person could just make a huge board and run copper out to the edges but the thermal transfer isn't as effective as a nearer solution. The size of the piece of whatever metal would dictate the maximum amount of heat that would flow at a given thermal difference. It seems like going with a flip chip (ala P3) rather then older QFN would save materials and allow a more efficient board design. By efficient I mean all data would transfer faster going over a shorter connection. Yes short trips nearly speed of light etc but small changes in location on other devices have caused >10% increases in speed. I think the more compact design would do better if it can be cooled. Thus far I see no reason it can't be cooled. The communication between the chips and the controller is minimal. I am also of the opinion that the more compact design would be better but for compute density reasons. BFL excites me for the possibility of watercooling their chips and ending up with an insanely dense mining cluster. I hope in a few generations BTC ASICs are something that we could order like FPGAs now and assemble custom PCBs to suit our own desires. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Askit2 on February 08, 2013, 08:44:50 AM Avalon went with a very simple chip on a large(110nm) process. I imagine this strategy gave them very high yields out of the wafers because of the small chip size. This came at the cost of a large PCB to route to all the chips. Well, that's certainly going to be part of the reason. However, take a look at the distance between chips on the BFL board and compare it to the distance between chips on the Avalon board. Now remember Josh's comment about the PCB ground plane not being able to dissipate enough heat due to the thermal density of their design, and how having to redesign the chips to fix this delayed shipping whilst Avalon shipped on schedue using similar QFN chips.Excellent point. I have minimal knowledge of using the the ground pad and vias to transmit heat through the PCB but it makes logical sense that Avalon would use a larger than electrically necessary PCB to give each chip some buffer from neighboring chips. Wouldn't this require also the chips be physically farther apart to avoid heat soaking the inner ones? Plus wouldn't moving them farther apart increase the delay while communicating? I guess a person could just make a huge board and run copper out to the edges but the thermal transfer isn't as effective as a nearer solution. The size of the piece of whatever metal would dictate the maximum amount of heat that would flow at a given thermal difference. It seems like going with a flip chip (ala P3) rather then older QFN would save materials and allow a more efficient board design. By efficient I mean all data would transfer faster going over a shorter connection. Yes short trips nearly speed of light etc but small changes in location on other devices have caused >10% increases in speed. I think the more compact design would do better if it can be cooled. Thus far I see no reason it can't be cooled. The communication between the chips and the controller is minimal. I am also of the opinion that the more compact design would be better but for compute density reasons. BFL excites me for the possibility of watercooling their chips and ending up with an insanely dense mining cluster. I hope in a few generations BTC ASICs are something that we could order like FPGAs now and assemble custom PCBs to suit our own desires. I agree I guess my point was at each speed increase the unit either needs to roll work (more complicated design per chip) or get new work more often making the latency a larger issue as even from on board ram takes time (not much). I don't mean that the latency is huge per se. Just that say a current single has a latency of about .01 second I think it was with the proper bus speed (mostly USB delay and fixed in asics). now the Jalapeno will hash 5x as fast and if the latency stayed the same instead of .01 per 5.1 seconds it would be 0.19% but .01 of about 1 second becomes 1%. The percentage is small enough at low rates. As speed increases latency becomes a speed limiter. Again current to new isn't apples to apples. Current gets work, works, finsihes, submits, gets new work. New will they said cache next work so get work, work, get more work, finish work, work, get more work. This will remove a ton of latency. I like the sound of what BFL said they changed. I like the higher density board. I like the heatsink getting less thermal resistance to the core. All these things will make for a better end product as long as they are accurate and work as expected. Not that I am saying a FCBGA isn't a viable chip, just that caching and FC will help a lot. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: kano on February 08, 2013, 08:48:42 AM FYI :) I've got my plane tickets to BFL - Kansas City today (email booked digital ticket details from the travel agent) arranged by Josh So my flight to the USA, leaving Sydney on the 17th Feb (my time) - to be back here in Aus again on the 23rd. ... so I going from Oz (Aus) to Kansas (City) ... isn't that back to front? :D That's quite the trip! How many days do they have you touring the facilities? Anything specific on the agenda? Agenda: To get their stories straight so when he reports back on the forums it is exactly how BFL wants him to report things lol. You are so far off the mark and you've made a comment based on zero knowledge of the situation ... or is your statement simply to mean that you can easily be bought and just assume others are like you? Here's most of the opening and closing of the recent PM I sent Josh to find out where they were at and then got the visit finally organised. Code: Feb-2 Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: SellingMyGPUs on February 08, 2013, 08:49:09 AM I've got my plane tickets to BFL - Kansas City today (email booked digital ticket details from the travel agent) arranged by Josh So my flight to the USA, leaving Sydney on the 17th Feb (my time) - to be back here in Aus again on the 23rd. Great, let's start posting more details like your real name and flight numbers so Echelon can pick it up. So you have received a free (cattle class?) flight by a guy you never met in real life but know from the Internets. You are a software developer who made significant contributions to Bitcoin, a crypto currency used by people who want to escape the fiat currency and who are interested in privacy and don't like the government monetary policies. Let's not forget money laundering and illegal gambling. Let's not mention Silk Road and controlled substances legislation (I guess sports people in .au must be big fans of SR) The company who invites you (Butterfly Labs Inc. - Bitcoin Mining Hardware - ASIC Bitcoin Miner) to come over is paying for your flight and your hotel. Do you already know what hotel you are staying in, immigration will ask. The said company is release a spiffing new piece of crypto hardware they hope to export out of the USA. They want you to write various articles to promote the product by endorsing it's existence and perhaps add some more software support. Surely this is not a vacation trip but something a bit harder to explain to immigration. I see plenty of red flags going up, starting with the fact they paid for your trip (and they know that before you get onto the plane), you work in the field they are active in and you'll probably travel with the tools of your trade like a laptop. Don't you need an H-1B? I got hassled so many times by US immigration it's no longer funny, a lot of times because some of the red flags stated above. (The only time I did not get any trouble was when I flew into Vegas and the only thing I muttered was 'gambling and hookers') Don't be a jerk to the CBP officers.. "Yes Sir"... "No Sir"... etc Have fun! ;-) (feel free to add more search words to this thread to make it an interesting visit) Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: kano on February 08, 2013, 09:08:43 AM I've got my plane tickets to BFL - Kansas City today (email booked digital ticket details from the travel agent) arranged by Josh So my flight to the USA, leaving Sydney on the 17th Feb (my time) - to be back here in Aus again on the 23rd. Great, let's start posting more details like your real name and flight numbers so Echelon can pick it up. So you have received a free (cattle class?) flight by a guy you never met in real life but know from the Internets. You are a software developer who made significant contributions to Bitcoin, a crypto currency used by people who want to escape the fiat currency and who are interested in privacy and don't like the government monetary policies. Let's not forget money laundering and illegal gambling. Let's not mention Silk Road and controlled substances legislation (I guess sports people in .au must be big fans of SR) The company who invites you (Butterfly Labs Inc. - Bitcoin Mining Hardware - ASIC Bitcoin Miner) to come over is paying for your flight and your hotel. Do you already know what hotel you are staying in, immigration will ask. The said company is release a spiffing new piece of crypto hardware they hope to export out of the USA. They want you to write various articles to promote the product by endorsing it's existence and perhaps add some more software support. Surely this is not a vacation trip but something a bit harder to explain to immigration. I see plenty of red flags going up, starting with the fact they paid for your trip (and they know that before you get onto the plane), you work in the field they are active in and you'll probably travel with the tools of your trade like a laptop. Don't you need an H-1B? I got hassled so many times by US immigration it's no longer funny, a lot of times because some of the red flags stated above. (The only time I did not get any trouble was when I flew into Vegas and the only thing I muttered was 'gambling and hookers') Don't be a jerk to the CBP officers.. "Yes Sir"... "No Sir"... etc Have fun! ;-) (feel free to add more search words to this thread to make it an interesting visit) Never been hassled in the US - though of course since 9/11 things have changed. ... and I already have a visa ... that was weird - as soon as it's processed the payment on the US government website it replies that you have your visa. I do of course have the address where I'm staying and typed that on the visa application. I'll tell you all about anything interesting getting through customs when I get back :) I've travelled to many countries including china long ago, a lot of europe and england twice, my second US visit covered many states - I'm not one to be concerned about such stuff at all. The most interesting part may be the fact that I carry drugs on myself (insulin) and the needle tips for the pens ... and have for almost 30 years. P.S. you can look up my real name easily enough :P Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: CoinHoarder on February 08, 2013, 10:14:33 AM BFL needs witnesses to confirm they are delaying again? I no comprehendo...
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Nemesis on February 08, 2013, 02:10:10 PM I've got my plane tickets to BFL - Kansas City today (email booked digital ticket details from the travel agent) arranged by Josh So my flight to the USA, leaving Sydney on the 17th Feb (my time) - to be back here in Aus again on the 23rd. Great, let's start posting more details like your real name and flight numbers so Echelon can pick it up. So you have received a free (cattle class?) flight by a guy you never met in real life but know from the Internets. You are a software developer who made significant contributions to Bitcoin, a crypto currency used by people who want to escape the fiat currency and who are interested in privacy and don't like the government monetary policies. Let's not forget money laundering and illegal gambling. Let's not mention Silk Road and controlled substances legislation (I guess sports people in .au must be big fans of SR) The company who invites you (Butterfly Labs Inc. - Bitcoin Mining Hardware - ASIC Bitcoin Miner) to come over is paying for your flight and your hotel. Do you already know what hotel you are staying in, immigration will ask. The said company is release a spiffing new piece of crypto hardware they hope to export out of the USA. They want you to write various articles to promote the product by endorsing it's existence and perhaps add some more software support. Surely this is not a vacation trip but something a bit harder to explain to immigration. I see plenty of red flags going up, starting with the fact they paid for your trip (and they know that before you get onto the plane), you work in the field they are active in and you'll probably travel with the tools of your trade like a laptop. Don't you need an H-1B? I got hassled so many times by US immigration it's no longer funny, a lot of times because some of the red flags stated above. (The only time I did not get any trouble was when I flew into Vegas and the only thing I muttered was 'gambling and hookers') Don't be a jerk to the CBP officers.. "Yes Sir"... "No Sir"... etc Have fun! ;-) (feel free to add more search words to this thread to make it an interesting visit) Never been hassled in the US - though of course since 9/11 things have changed. ... and I already have a visa ... that was weird - as soon as it's processed the payment on the US government website it replies that you have your visa. I do of course have the address where I'm staying and typed that on the visa application. I'll tell you all about anything interesting getting through customs when I get back :) I've travelled to many countries including china long ago, a lot of europe and england twice, my second US visit covered many states - I'm not one to be concerned about such stuff at all. The most interesting part may be the fact that I carry drugs on myself (insulin) and the needle tips for the pens ... and have for almost 30 years. P.S. you can look up my real name easily enough :P I cant wait for you trip. You're one of the most respectable user here. I wish you all the best. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: jjiimm_64 on February 08, 2013, 03:19:02 PM So you have received a free (cattle class?) flight by a guy you never met in real life but know from the Internets. You are a software developer who made significant contributions to Bitcoin, a crypto currency used by people who want to escape the fiat currency and who are interested in privacy and don't like the government monetary policies. Let's not forget money laundering and illegal gambling. Let's not mention Silk Road and controlled substances legislation (I guess sports people in .au must be big fans of SR) The company who invites you (Butterfly Labs Inc. - Bitcoin Mining Hardware - ASIC Bitcoin Miner) to come over is paying for your flight and your hotel. Do you already know what hotel you are staying in, immigration will ask. The said company is release a spiffing new piece of crypto hardware they hope to export out of the USA. They want you to write various articles to promote the product by endorsing it's existence and perhaps add some more software support. Surely this is not a vacation trip but something a bit harder to explain to immigration. I see plenty of red flags going up, starting with the fact they paid for your trip (and they know that before you get onto the plane), you work in the field they are active in and you'll probably travel with the tools of your trade like a laptop. This from a jr member with 16 posts.....? I do not use bitcoin to escape fiat currency, and I pay income tax on every btc I get from mining. Most users here mine bitcoins cause it was kool. setting up gpus, tuning them, pushing them. general tinkering... who the F are you? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on February 08, 2013, 03:36:56 PM I've got my plane tickets to BFL - Kansas City today (email booked digital ticket details from the travel agent) arranged by Josh So my flight to the USA, leaving Sydney on the 17th Feb (my time) - to be back here in Aus again on the 23rd. Great, let's start posting more details like your real name and flight numbers so Echelon can pick it up. So you have received a free (cattle class?) flight by a guy you never met in real life but know from the Internets. You are a software developer who made significant contributions to Bitcoin, a crypto currency used by people who want to escape the fiat currency and who are interested in privacy and don't like the government monetary policies. Let's not forget money laundering and illegal gambling. Let's not mention Silk Road and controlled substances legislation (I guess sports people in .au must be big fans of SR) The company who invites you (Butterfly Labs Inc. - Bitcoin Mining Hardware - ASIC Bitcoin Miner) to come over is paying for your flight and your hotel. Do you already know what hotel you are staying in, immigration will ask. The said company is release a spiffing new piece of crypto hardware they hope to export out of the USA. They want you to write various articles to promote the product by endorsing it's existence and perhaps add some more software support. Surely this is not a vacation trip but something a bit harder to explain to immigration. I see plenty of red flags going up, starting with the fact they paid for your trip (and they know that before you get onto the plane), you work in the field they are active in and you'll probably travel with the tools of your trade like a laptop. Don't you need an H-1B? I got hassled so many times by US immigration it's no longer funny, a lot of times because some of the red flags stated above. (The only time I did not get any trouble was when I flew into Vegas and the only thing I muttered was 'gambling and hookers') Don't be a jerk to the CBP officers.. "Yes Sir"... "No Sir"... etc Have fun! ;-) (feel free to add more search words to this thread to make it an interesting visit) Never been hassled in the US - though of course since 9/11 things have changed. ... and I already have a visa ... that was weird - as soon as it's processed the payment on the US government website it replies that you have your visa. I do of course have the address where I'm staying and typed that on the visa application. I'll tell you all about anything interesting getting through customs when I get back :) I've travelled to many countries including china long ago, a lot of europe and england twice, my second US visit covered many states - I'm not one to be concerned about such stuff at all. The most interesting part may be the fact that I carry drugs on myself (insulin) and the needle tips for the pens ... and have for almost 30 years. P.S. you can look up my real name easily enough :P And if you change your mind and don't want to visit Kansas to pet a chicken, simply tell the TSA guys that you know (Doctor) Nefario and don't have any cash with you--only 1000 bitcoins on a thumbdrive. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: jjiimm_64 on February 08, 2013, 03:41:32 PM Agenda: To get their stories straight so when he reports back on the forums it is exactly how BFL wants him to report things lol. I knew I shouldn't have removed you from my iggy list.... no wonder that button is soo dark!! Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: SellingMyGPUs on February 08, 2013, 08:35:18 PM who the F are you? Somebody who has been around long enough to remember this gem:http://www.geekwire.com/2011/bitcoin-befuddles-customs-agents-thwarting-seattle-visit-digital-currency-guru/ Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: PuertoLibre on February 08, 2013, 09:24:11 PM FYI :) I've got my plane tickets to BFL - Kansas City today (email booked digital ticket details from the travel agent) arranged by Josh So my flight to the USA, leaving Sydney on the 17th Feb (my time) - to be back here in Aus again on the 23rd. ... so I going from Oz (Aus) to Kansas (City) ... isn't that back to front? :D That's quite the trip! How many days do they have you touring the facilities? Anything specific on the agenda? Agenda: To get their stories straight so when he reports back on the forums it is exactly how BFL wants him to report things lol. You are so far off the mark and you've made a comment based on zero knowledge of the situation ... or is your statement simply to mean that you can easily be bought and just assume others are like you? Here's most of the opening and closing of the recent PM I sent Josh to find out where they were at and then got the visit finally organised. Quote Feb-2 Hey Josh, you got any update on where your guys are at? I'm certainly not someone to promote your guys unsubstantiated claims coz of your crap history (even with the ASIC), and you know full well I've never been a fan of BFL, but the Avalon people are really pissing me off, Tom's gone down the drain, and I would certainly be happy to be able to run a BFL ASIC on an rpi and show it leaving Avalon's shit in the dust. ... ... So ... when is anything happening at BFL? P.S. if anything I've said on the forum lately has pissed your guys off - oh well, damn shame :) You do realize you have been critical of Avalon for a while now. (Beyond simply the source code not being provided.) You complained (quite openly) that you weren't getting free [development] hardware from them. The PM you posted on the top just goes to confirm what is kinda plainly obvious. You may not like BFL <cough> but you didn't quite bash them nearly as hard as Avalon. For the matter of record, yes, Kano is getting free devices from BFL when he leaves the trip. ---------------- No, of course this won't color his review! heh. Anyway, if you really think about it, at this point Kano's visit has pretty much lost it's intended purpose. Which was to prove whether BFL was real or not. At this point they are about to ship....so what is the point in that again? It becomes a rather redundant effort and probably a waste of money. Doesn't matter anyway, Kano's going to Kansas. He going to get a few BFL devices to Vaseline/lube the review in a positive direction and a few good shots of people working on benches to put together the machines. Perhaps some shots of the staff in a photo OP and finally when he gets back he will write a positive review of whatever it is he saw there. I believe his review would have been useful in October 2012. Perhaps even November or December 2012. That would have been interesting to see the state of things way back then. Not now that the party balloons have been put up and a "proper" implementation of the working business had come to life. Anyway, that is my take on it. Expect the article soon. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Korbman on February 08, 2013, 09:30:01 PM No, of course this won't color his review! heh. And this is somehow different from Avalon giving Jeff and the Foundation each a device? Jeff may have paid for his, but he still got the first one...out of 3(?) units so far. Anyway, if you really think about it, at this point Kano's visit has pretty much lost it's intended purpose. Which was to prove whether BFL was real or not. At this point they are about to ship....so what is the point in that again? It becomes a rather redundant effort and probably a waste of money. Yeah, unfortunately I agree here. The point before was to see the process in action...not touring the facility as they supposedly pack the final units for shipping. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: PuertoLibre on February 08, 2013, 09:35:52 PM No, of course this won't color his review! heh. And this is somehow different from Avalon giving Jeff and the Foundation each a device? Jeff may have paid for his, but he still got the first one...out of 3(?) units so far. The circumstances turned out to be Yifu importing it by hand and giving it to the Bitcoin Foundation in person. That is why there is a video out there with him and the Bitcoin Foundation members laughing it up with the device humming away in the background. Anyway, if you really think about it, at this point Kano's visit has pretty much lost it's intended purpose. Which was to prove whether BFL was real or not. At this point they are about to ship....so what is the point in that again? It becomes a rather redundant effort and probably a waste of money. Yeah, unfortunately I agree here. The point before was to see the process in action...not touring the facility as they supposedly pack the final units for shipping. I don't see what is going to be achieved now by the visit. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: jborkl on February 08, 2013, 09:38:29 PM Well, Like or hate BFL they are bringing Luke-Jr and Kanoi in, for a entire week.
Kanoi and Con provide support on IRC all the time, they answer any question (except CPU mining) very fast and provide excellent support. I will use my BFL (if and when I get them) with confidence that it has full software developer support. It will support both major work protocols- you are free to pick either GBT or Stratum. Without this support and a binary available, If I had a Avalon I would be shit out of luck if something went wrong. Of course Kanoi should come home with product, he is supporting it. I guess you can write your own code, since you are so eager to bash Kanoi? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: kaerf on February 08, 2013, 09:39:35 PM No, of course this won't color his review! heh. And this is somehow different from Avalon giving Jeff and the Foundation each a device? Jeff may have paid for his, but he still got the first one...out of 3(?) units so far. The circumstances turned out to be Yifu importing it by hand and giving it to the Bitcoin Foundation in person. That is why there is a video out there with him and the Bitcoin Foundation members laughing it up with the device humming away in the background. Anyway, if you really think about it, at this point Kano's visit has pretty much lost it's intended purpose. Which was to prove whether BFL was real or not. At this point they are about to ship....so what is the point in that again? It becomes a rather redundant effort and probably a waste of money. Yeah, unfortunately I agree here. The point before was to see the process in action...not touring the facility as they supposedly pack the final units for shipping. I don't see what is going to be achieved now by the visit. jeff did get a 25BTC "donation" from avalon after he ordered. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: beekeeper on February 08, 2013, 09:47:43 PM Well, Like or hate BFL they are bringing Luke-Jr and Kanoi in, for a entire week. Wait, you kidding, both is same room? I noticed Kano carries a ninja sword lately... Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: PuertoLibre on February 08, 2013, 09:51:25 PM Well, Like or hate BFL they are bringing Luke-Jr and Kanoi in, for a entire week. It's not bashing as pointing out the obvious. Kanoi and Con provide support on IRC all the time, they answer any question (except CPU mining) very fast and provide excellent support. I will use my BFL (if and when I get them) with confidence that it has full software developer support. It will support both major work protocols- you are free to pick either GBT or Stratum. Without this support and a binary available, If I had a Avalon I would be shit out of luck if something went wrong. Of course Kanoi should come home with product, he is supporting it. I guess you can write your own code, since you are so eager to bash Kanoi? He admitted it a while back that he thought he was entitled to free hardware. (Under the guise of providing support) When I brought up the idea of a monthly re-payment plan for the hardware...guess what? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: PuertoLibre on February 08, 2013, 09:52:33 PM No, of course this won't color his review! heh. And this is somehow different from Avalon giving Jeff and the Foundation each a device? Jeff may have paid for his, but he still got the first one...out of 3(?) units so far. The circumstances turned out to be Yifu importing it by hand and giving it to the Bitcoin Foundation in person. That is why there is a video out there with him and the Bitcoin Foundation members laughing it up with the device humming away in the background. Anyway, if you really think about it, at this point Kano's visit has pretty much lost it's intended purpose. Which was to prove whether BFL was real or not. At this point they are about to ship....so what is the point in that again? It becomes a rather redundant effort and probably a waste of money. Yeah, unfortunately I agree here. The point before was to see the process in action...not touring the facility as they supposedly pack the final units for shipping. I don't see what is going to be achieved now by the visit. jeff did get a 25BTC "donation" from avalon after he ordered. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: nathanrees19 on February 08, 2013, 11:29:51 PM Well, Like or hate BFL they are bringing Luke-Jr and Kanoi in, for a entire week. Is it really a good idea to have both of them at the same place at the same time? :P Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: beekeeper on February 08, 2013, 11:49:07 PM Well, Like or hate BFL they are bringing Luke-Jr and Kanoi in, for a entire week. Is it really a good idea to have both of them at the same place at the same time? :P yeah man, nobody seems so notice, but we are developing here a "bonnie situation": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7yO4e9h5Mg PS: pls excuse racism and violence, I'm not racist at all, I live in Europe in a country where black people are welcome, its a funny 90's movie and one of the best.. :D Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: SLok on February 09, 2013, 12:08:09 AM How come the change from yochdog to Luke-Jr as co-visitor?
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Bogart on February 09, 2013, 12:47:12 AM Well, Like or hate BFL they are bringing Luke-Jr and Kanoi in, for a entire week. What happened to sending Yochdog? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Xian01 on February 09, 2013, 01:11:14 AM Curious about Luke's weapon... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Hand_Grenade_of_Antioch Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: coblee on February 09, 2013, 01:14:22 AM Curious about Luke's weapon... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Hand_Grenade_of_Antioch http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bdrWn0T7JSU/T5mlRgW0wwI/AAAAAAAAAHU/zah9JV0_Lew/s1600/LukeROTJsaber-MR.jpg Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: -ck on February 09, 2013, 01:28:27 AM Well, Like or hate BFL they are bringing Luke-Jr and Kanoi in, for a entire week. Wait, you kidding, both is same room? I noticed Kano carries a ninja sword lately... Curious about Luke's weapon... Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Photon939 on February 09, 2013, 01:33:15 AM Apparently BFL's chips have left the fab:
Originally Posted by ShoutBox @BFL_StevenM : Chips have shipped in bulk! Waiting for arrival... (...) @BFL_StevenM : So, we just barely got the final sign off because one of top-level engineer at one of the companies (who MUST certify their result) goes on holiday at the end of today. (...) @BFL_StevenM : I think we have just a few samples from the bumper. The bulk shipment should be going to them, then us. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: abracadabra on February 09, 2013, 01:41:59 AM Apparently BFL's chips have left the fab: Originally Posted by ShoutBox @BFL_StevenM : Chips have shipped in bulk! Waiting for arrival... (...) @BFL_StevenM : So, we just barely got the final sign off because one of top-level engineer at one of the companies (who MUST certify their result) goes on holiday at the end of today. (...) @BFL_StevenM : I think we have just a few samples from the bumper. The bulk shipment should be going to them, then us. Elvis has left the building? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: repentance on February 09, 2013, 01:46:15 AM Apparently BFL's chips have left the fab: Originally Posted by ShoutBox @BFL_StevenM : Chips have shipped in bulk! Waiting for arrival... (...) @BFL_StevenM : So, we just barely got the final sign off because one of top-level engineer at one of the companies (who MUST certify their result) goes on holiday at the end of today. (...) @BFL_StevenM : I think we have just a few samples from the bumper. The bulk shipment should be going to them, then us. There's no legitimate reason left now for BFL not to reveal which fab they used. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: poon-TANG on February 09, 2013, 03:55:34 AM BitSyncom, Maybe you should stop chatting with one, who not even your customer and spend little more time for your real customers? We haven't heard anything about batch #1 shipping since Jan 29(?), and anything about batch #2 from Feb 2. Please take some time, and update status for your customers pleasure. Thank you. PS: Even more pleasure for you customers would be an answers at your support helpdesk. ... how about going into your own thread and not hi-jacking another BFL thread. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Vicus on February 09, 2013, 04:15:39 AM ... how about going into your own thread and not hi-jacking another BFL thread. So, why you address that to me? Your thread already hijacked by kano and BitSyncom... I simply post here in hope to reach BitSyncom sight.Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Unacceptable on February 09, 2013, 04:38:22 AM I'm glad I didn't order an Avalon unit.............I'd be REALLY PISSED by now,not having a tracking # for my shipment or even an email explaining why that wasn't done >:(
Plus NO POST in any forum explaining anything related to a shipping update >:( Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Nemesis on February 09, 2013, 05:00:22 AM I'm glad I didn't order an Avalon unit.............I'd be REALLY PISSED by now,not having a tracking # for my shipment or even an email explaining why that wasn't done >:( Plus NO POST in any forum explaining anything related to a shipping update >:( PPL whos ordering batch #2 are pure greedy. I will sure laugh at them for being completely stupid. No proof, no guarantee .... retards still fall for it. If Avalon team cant fix the bug, i suggest them sending their customers an alarm clock.... for 24hrs resetting. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: poon-TANG on February 09, 2013, 05:01:34 AM ... how about going into your own thread and not hi-jacking another BFL thread. So, why you address that to me? Your thread already hijacked by kano and BitSyncom... I simply post here in hope to reach BitSyncom sight.Oh crap sorry man. I quoted the wrong post. Sorry Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: repentance on February 09, 2013, 05:07:21 AM God the sheer vitriol that gets directed at competing ASIC companies is depressing. Anyone who managed to get a final product has done well, whether it's Avalon, BFL or ASICMiner. This was a challenge which came with no guarantees and there's no need to try to make into into the new Mac vs PC idiocy or the 21st century version of games console wars.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Unacceptable on February 09, 2013, 05:07:38 AM I'm glad I didn't order an Avalon unit.............I'd be REALLY PISSED by now,not having a tracking # for my shipment or even an email explaining why that wasn't done >:( Plus NO POST in any forum explaining anything related to a shipping update >:( PPL whos ordering batch #2 are pure greedy. I will sure laugh at them for being completely stupid. No proof, no guarantee .... retards still fall for it. If Avalon team cant fix the bug, i suggest them sending their customers an alarm clock.... for 24hrs resetting. I feel sorry for them (those in the 1st batch).They're stuck waiting with NO REPLY whatsoever pertaining to the shipping of thier unit. At least BFL posts SOMETHING about progress,even if its another delay................... You can bet I'll never order anything from Avalon....even if BFL delays till NEXT October :P Batch 2=No refunds,BTC only,WTF was that :D What a joke,they're starting to make bASIC look good ::) Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: hackjealousy on February 09, 2013, 05:29:52 AM Well, Like or hate BFL they are bringing Luke-Jr and Kanoi in, for a entire week. Wait, you kidding, both is same room? I noticed Kano carries a ninja sword lately... Curious about Luke's weapon... "Use the force, Luke." Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: philips on February 09, 2013, 05:35:09 AM Oh, so Kano is Darth Vader then? But then again...Vader is Luke´s father....
...confused... Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: smoothie on February 09, 2013, 05:45:14 AM FYI :) I've got my plane tickets to BFL - Kansas City today (email booked digital ticket details from the travel agent) arranged by Josh So my flight to the USA, leaving Sydney on the 17th Feb (my time) - to be back here in Aus again on the 23rd. ... so I going from Oz (Aus) to Kansas (City) ... isn't that back to front? :D That's quite the trip! How many days do they have you touring the facilities? Anything specific on the agenda? Agenda: To get their stories straight so when he reports back on the forums it is exactly how BFL wants him to report things lol. You are so far off the mark and you've made a comment based on zero knowledge of the situation ... or is your statement simply to mean that you can easily be bought and just assume others are like you? reason for my ignore button is pussies who can't take what I have to say so they push the pussy button. Concerning my comment, i wasn't serious. It was a joke. Lighten up and learn to not take things so seriously. lol :D :D :D Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: smoothie on February 09, 2013, 05:49:51 AM Agenda: To get their stories straight so when he reports back on the forums it is exactly how BFL wants him to report things lol. I knew I shouldn't have removed you from my iggy list.... no wonder that button is soo dark!! Aww, back on the pussy list you go. Seriously my comment was a joke. Some of you here need to pull the stick out of your asses and chill. BFL if they have any credibility (lol) they will have it shown one or the other very soon. One more delay and I reckon 75% of their customers will cancel their orders and demand a refund. It is put up for STFU time. :D Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: kano on February 09, 2013, 05:55:20 AM FYI :) I've got my plane tickets to BFL - Kansas City today (email booked digital ticket details from the travel agent) arranged by Josh So my flight to the USA, leaving Sydney on the 17th Feb (my time) - to be back here in Aus again on the 23rd. ... so I going from Oz (Aus) to Kansas (City) ... isn't that back to front? :D That's quite the trip! How many days do they have you touring the facilities? Anything specific on the agenda? Agenda: To get their stories straight so when he reports back on the forums it is exactly how BFL wants him to report things lol. You are so far off the mark and you've made a comment based on zero knowledge of the situation ... or is your statement simply to mean that you can easily be bought and just assume others are like you? reason for my ignore button is pussies who can't take what I have to say so they push the pussy button. Concerning my comment, i wasn't serious. It was a joke. Lighten up and learn to not take things so seriously. lol :D :D :D I don't take kindly to being called a 'yes' man. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on February 09, 2013, 06:02:05 AM FYI :) I've got my plane tickets to BFL - Kansas City today (email booked digital ticket details from the travel agent) arranged by Josh So my flight to the USA, leaving Sydney on the 17th Feb (my time) - to be back here in Aus again on the 23rd. ... so I going from Oz (Aus) to Kansas (City) ... isn't that back to front? :D That's quite the trip! How many days do they have you touring the facilities? Anything specific on the agenda? Agenda: To get their stories straight so when he reports back on the forums it is exactly how BFL wants him to report things lol. You are so far off the mark and you've made a comment based on zero knowledge of the situation ... or is your statement simply to mean that you can easily be bought and just assume others are like you? reason for my ignore button is pussies who can't take what I have to say so they push the pussy button. Concerning my comment, i wasn't serious. It was a joke. Lighten up and learn to not take things so seriously. lol :D :D :D I don't take kindly to being called a 'yes' man. Kano, for one, I have complete faith your assessment will be unbiased. Don't let us down. Later, bud. ~Bruno K~ PS: Pet Jody's chicken for me, too. PSS: And don't fall for the ol' quarter trick. ;D PSSS: And stay away from the baklava. Too much sugar for you. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: organofcorti on February 09, 2013, 08:04:01 AM ....... so they push the pussy button. Is that some sort of masturbation joke? Offhand I can't think of any other type of "pussy button" than the obvious. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Korbman on February 09, 2013, 03:03:41 PM I'm glad I didn't order an Avalon unit.............I'd be REALLY PISSED by now,not having a tracking # for my shipment or even an email explaining why that wasn't done >:( Plus NO POST in any forum explaining anything related to a shipping update >:( Yeah, BitSyncom is too busy arguing with Kano in this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=142083.0) thread to do any actual Avalon work. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: neotrix on February 09, 2013, 04:25:32 PM I'm glad I didn't order an Avalon unit.............I'd be REALLY PISSED by now,not having a tracking # for my shipment or even an email explaining why that wasn't done >:( Plus NO POST in any forum explaining anything related to a shipping update >:( Yeah, BitSyncom is too busy arguing with Kano in this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=142083.0) thread to do any actual Avalon work. I ordered 2 avalon in batch 2 so I'm worried too about not even received one email for confirming order to clarify ( even if received confirmation with support, By Bitsyncom) Anyway I think the attitude of Bitsyncom reflect chinese and also engenier attidude, meaning not good for customers handling and communications. Additionaly he looks like proud (and I would be too) and also sure to deliver in time which sounds good for customer as what we wll finally want is to get an asic front of our doors soon to be in firsts to mine with...Anyway the first Asic we all seen mining is an Avalon and that's enought for me. Someone paying for the NRE would be dumb to stop then...So I guess its jsut a matter of day. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: 01BTC10 on February 16, 2013, 10:14:45 PM What is wrong with your website?
Quote Warning - visiting this web site may harm your computer! Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: tbcoin on February 16, 2013, 10:36:17 PM What is wrong with your website? Quote Warning - visiting this web site may harm your computer! They finally update the web https://i.imgur.com/VVdrRSc.png But all look fine :S http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.butterflylabs.com%2F&client=googlechrome&hl=en Quote What is the current listing status for www.butterflylabs.com? Site is listed as suspicious - visiting this web site may harm your computer. What happened when Google visited this site? Of the 6 pages we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 0 page(s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed without user consent. The last time Google visited this site was on 2013-02-15, and suspicious content was never found on this site within the past 90 days. This site was hosted on 1 network(s) including AS26496 (26496). Has this site acted as an intermediary resulting in further distribution of malware? Over the past 90 days, www.butterflylabs.com did not appear to function as an intermediary for the infection of any sites. Has this site hosted malware? No, this site has not hosted malicious software over the past 90 days. How did this happen? In some cases, third parties can add malicious code to legitimate sites, which would cause us to show the warning message. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: greyhawk on February 17, 2013, 01:51:41 AM What is wrong with your website? Quote Warning - visiting this web site may harm your computer! Nothing of course. Except when you point out specifics of their website you get deleted. Wouldn't want people to know things that are a Google away. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: CoinHoarder on February 17, 2013, 08:43:31 AM Yep, BFL updated their website... But I see they're still using that scammy/scummy sales tactic of downplaying the time it will take to receive the product.
They use this exact wording on the order now page: "Pre-order Terms: Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of February 2013. Products are shipped according to placement in the order queue." If you didn't read these forums, you would not know that you aren't receiving your unit until much later than February. There are so many pre-orders ahead of people ordering right now + they don't even have a working prototype. The "pre-order terms" on the order now page make it seem like you'll be getting your ASIC in February too with the people at the front of the line, when in reality it will most likely be July or later. BFL are such sleaze balls with their scummy marketing. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: smoothie on February 17, 2013, 08:55:09 AM Yep, BFL updated their website... But I see they're still using that scammy/scummy sales tactic of downplaying the time it will take to receive the product. They use this exact wording on the order now page: "Pre-order Terms: Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of February 2013. Products are shipped according to placement in the order queue." If you didn't read these forums, you would not know that you aren't receiving your unit until much later than February. There are so many pre-orders ahead of people ordering right now + they don't even have a working prototype. The "pre-order terms" on the order now page make it seem like you'll be getting your ASIC in February too with the people at the front of the line, when in reality it will most likely be July or later. BFL are such sleaze balls with their scummy marketing. +1 Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: greyhawk on February 17, 2013, 11:54:19 AM But all look fine :S http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.butterflylabs.com%2F&client=googlechrome&hl=en Quote What is the current listing status for www.butterflylabs.com? Site is listed as suspicious - visiting this web site may harm your computer. What happened when Google visited this site? Of the 6 pages we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 0 page(s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed without user consent. The last time Google visited this site was on 2013-02-15, and suspicious content was never found on this site within the past 90 days. This site was hosted on 1 network(s) including AS26496 (26496). Has this site acted as an intermediary resulting in further distribution of malware? Over the past 90 days, www.butterflylabs.com did not appear to function as an intermediary for the infection of any sites. Has this site hosted malware? No, this site has not hosted malicious software over the past 90 days. How did this happen? In some cases, third parties can add malicious code to legitimate sites, which would cause us to show the warning message. Not anymore it doesn't Quote Safe Browsing Diagnostic page for www.butterflylabs.com What is the current listing status for www.butterflylabs.com? This site is not currently listed as suspicious. What happened when Google visited this site? Of the 12 pages we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 1 page(s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed without user consent. The last time Google visited this site was on 2013-02-16, and the last time suspicious content was found on this site was on 2013-02-16. Malicious software is hosted on 1 domain(s), including sweepstakesandcontestsdo.com/. 1 domain(s) appear to be functioning as intermediaries for distributing malware to visitors of this site, including tureac50custome.rr.nu/. This site was hosted on 2 network(s) including AS19969 (JOESDATACENTER), AS26496 (26496). Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: DobZombie on February 19, 2013, 03:10:20 PM How did that happen?
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Fiyasko on February 19, 2013, 03:14:29 PM Perhaps a popup company embedded something into one of thier many ads?
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: repentance on February 19, 2013, 08:50:49 PM Jody's putting the shipping date for BFL orders made now at May-June. This means that when BFL ships, those people who want to use their discount vouchers in order to be "compensated" for the original delay are going to have to wait at least 2-3 months for delivery of their additional units. They can't wait until BFL has caught up with production to order as the vouchers expire within 60 days.
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/85-perennial-question-when-will-my-order-ship.html Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: smoothie on February 19, 2013, 09:04:07 PM "give me BTC and I'll give you BTC hardware to mine BTC...at what rate...is anyone's guess. But it is a "BARGAIN"....instead of letting your investment go up 600% in 8 months, just give it to me and I'll ensure the difficulty of mining goes up too before you can start mining with this SUPER DUPER ASIC HARDWARE."
;D ;D ;D Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: smoothie on February 19, 2013, 09:37:57 PM BFL is a failure like none other. They claimed to have venture capital for their R&D yet...if that was TRUE they should have just did the R&D quietly until they had the product then sell it.
No need for customer pre-order money. The way I see it is that BFL conned people into giving up their bitcoins/capital as more like a loan with 0% interest and in fact negative interest in terms of bitcoin and those suckers who did buy into it....will only get a piece of hardware that can mine (in a best case scanerio) 25% of the bitcoins it could have had it been released in the summer. 25% is a best case scenario. BFL seriously fucked a ton of suckers up the ass with their PRE-ORDER bullshit. ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: regular on February 19, 2013, 09:47:22 PM For people that paid by paypal, make sure you are still in your 120 day chargeback window for Visa and Mastercard. As you have probably seen in the bASIC thread, some people couldn't get their money back because they were past the 120 day mark.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: repentance on February 19, 2013, 10:23:35 PM They should have stuck with the original plan of Josh baby-sitting the chips once they left the fab - at least then BFL might have some clue what's going on. As it stands, Josh doesn't even know what's going on at the bumping facility because he can't get in touch with his contact.
kano's silence is also deafening. He's over in the US to report to the community on BFL's progress and hasn't posted anything since he got there. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: -ck on February 19, 2013, 10:25:30 PM They should have stuck with the original plan of Josh baby-sitting the chips once they left the fab - at least then BFL might have some clue what's going on. As it stands, Josh doesn't even know what's going on at the bumping facility because he can't get in touch with his contact. Actually he's been exclusively talking at length on IRC in the cgminer channel.kano's silence is also deafening. He's over in the US to report to the community on BFL's progress and hasn't posted anything since he got there. Summary: Lots of activity, lots of preparation, lots of hardware ready to be assembled, but no sign of the actual chips which are in the bumping facility... Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: greyhawk on February 19, 2013, 10:25:58 PM kano's silence is also deafening. He's over in the US to report to the community on BFL's progress and hasn't posted anything since he got there. Maybe he is being reprogrammed in BFLs basement right now with the brainwashing machine they hooked Inaba up to last year. EDIT: Or not. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: LazyOtto on February 19, 2013, 10:30:31 PM Summary: Lots of activity, lots of preparation, lots of hardware ready to be assembled, but no sign of the actual chips which are in the bumping facility... I'm rather surprised BFL doesn't have 'something' to show them. A jalepeno or two, perhaps at low speed, working.After all, didn't they get some quantity of sample chips in back in December when it was determined that the original package type chosen had inadequate heat dissipation? What, did they fry *all* of them? -- edit -- And that would be sufficient for the software guys to work with. The communication protocol won't have changed, just the physical implementation, with the chips in their new package type. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: gyverlb on February 19, 2013, 10:35:50 PM BFL is a failure like none other. They claimed to have venture capital for their R&D yet...if that was TRUE they should have just did the R&D quietly until they had the product then sell it. They had to announce ASICs and a trade-in program.When they did Enterpoint just brought their Quad-Spartan on the market with pre-order prices cheaper than BFL's own FPGA offer for approximately the same hashing speed and with nice delays. If they hadn't promised ASICs at the time with a trade-in option their cash-flow would have greatly suffered. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: repentance on February 19, 2013, 11:06:17 PM Summary: Lots of activity, lots of preparation, lots of hardware ready to be assembled, but no sign of the actual chips which are in the bumping facility... I'm rather surprised BFL doesn't have 'something' to show them. A jalepeno or two, perhaps at low speed, working.After all, didn't they get some quantity of sample chips in back in December when it was determined that the original package type chosen had inadequate heat dissipation? What, did they fry *all* of them? -- edit -- And that would be sufficient for the software guys to work with. The communication protocol won't have changed, just the physical implementation, with the chips in their new package type. From what little Josh has said in the last few days, they're going to test with some unpackaged chips once the bumping is done. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Syke on February 19, 2013, 11:24:28 PM Summary: Lots of activity, lots of preparation, lots of hardware ready to be assembled, but no sign of the actual chips which are in the bumping facility... I'm rather surprised BFL doesn't have 'something' to show them. A jalepeno or two, perhaps at low speed, working.After all, didn't they get some quantity of sample chips in back in December when it was determined that the original package type chosen had inadequate heat dissipation? What, did they fry *all* of them? They never had chips. They came to those conclusions based on simulations. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: LazyOtto on February 19, 2013, 11:27:16 PM They never had chips. They came to those conclusions based on simulations. But, but, but - I saw pictures! :DTitle: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: greyhawk on February 19, 2013, 11:28:40 PM Summary: Lots of activity, lots of preparation, lots of hardware ready to be assembled, but no sign of the actual chips which are in the bumping facility... I'm rather surprised BFL doesn't have 'something' to show them. A jalepeno or two, perhaps at low speed, working.After all, didn't they get some quantity of sample chips in back in December when it was determined that the original package type chosen had inadequate heat dissipation? What, did they fry *all* of them? They never had chips. They came to those conclusions based on simulations. So what was on those PCBs? Boxes of air http://www.anonmgur.com/up/746d0a6ba54410ec39c8209abd266dc1.jpg Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: repentance on February 19, 2013, 11:31:34 PM By now, BFL should have a very good idea of how many of each type of unit they're going to assemble from batch 1. I suspect they know damned well that however they choose to allocate those first 6,000 chips is going to be controversial and that they'll hold off letting customers know how many of each unit will be shipping in Batch 1 until the last possible moment.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Syke on February 20, 2013, 12:16:46 AM So what was on those PCBs? Boxes of air Not working chips, that's for sure. But don't take my word for it. Here's what Josh had to say: Quote from: BFL_Josh We paid a company out of California quite a bit of money to run a run of simulations under different scenarios on our boards When BFL really does have a working chip, you'll hear about it. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: LazyOtto on February 20, 2013, 12:23:58 AM So what was on those PCBs? Boxes of air Not working chips, that's for sure. But don't take my word for it. Here's what Josh had to say: Quote from: BFL_Josh We paid a company out of California quite a bit of money to run a run of simulations under different scenarios on our boards My understanding is that they: 1) Got the first set of sample chips 2) Fried them during test runs 3) Then paid for the simulations 4) Then decided to change the package type 5) ... and another two month delay ensued Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: smoothie on February 20, 2013, 01:18:49 AM So what was on those PCBs? Boxes of air Not working chips, that's for sure. But don't take my word for it. Here's what Josh had to say: Quote from: BFL_Josh We paid a company out of California quite a bit of money to run a run of simulations under different scenarios on our boards When BFL really does have a working chip, you'll hear about it. Which implies they have NO WORKING PROTOTYPE. These chips that are at the bumping facility (supposedly) aren't even tested. "Sure let's just assemble the chips on to the boards, ship them and NOT TEST THEM." GREAT IDEA! :D Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: PuertoLibre on February 20, 2013, 01:39:11 AM By now, BFL should have a very good idea of how many of each type of unit they're going to assemble from batch 1. I suspect they know damned well that however they choose to allocate those first 6,000 chips is going to be controversial and that they'll hold off letting customers know how many of each unit will be shipping in Batch 1 until the last possible moment. A wise man has spoken.Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: PuertoLibre on February 20, 2013, 02:53:30 AM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewx-M5xukAo
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on February 20, 2013, 03:08:46 AM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewx-M5xukAo I just called Goat, for if I'm not mistaken he has a friend in KC that works directly across from JJ's restaurant, and perhaps his friend can grab a camera and take some pics for us, thus proving for sure this is real and not some scam being pulled by CNN. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Inaba on February 20, 2013, 05:37:14 AM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewx-M5xukAo I just called Goat, for if I'm not mistaken he has a friend in KC that works directly across from JJ's restaurant, and perhaps his friend can grab a camera and take some pics for us, thus proving for sure this is real and not some scam being pulled by CNN. It's real... explosion took out power to one of the DC's I have equipment in. Generator kicked in after the UPSs and all was well, but the black cloud of smoke was epic. my word for it. Here's what Josh had to say: Quote from: BFL_Josh We paid a company out of California quite a bit of money to run a run of simulations under different scenarios on our boards When BFL really does have a working chip, you'll hear about it. There's my good old Skye, the Liar! Lying again, I see you haven't corrected your lack of intelligence. What Syke so conveniently "forgot" to include was that the quote was in reference to THERMAL simulations of how heat propagates throughout the board. If Syke wasn't a liar, he would have included that information. But since he IS, in fact, a liar (this time by omission)... you get the half quote you see there. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: ChipGeek on February 20, 2013, 05:58:15 AM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewx-M5xukAo I just called Goat, for if I'm not mistaken he has a friend in KC that works directly across from JJ's restaurant, and perhaps his friend can grab a camera and take some pics for us, thus proving for sure this is real and not some scam being pulled by CNN. It's real... explosion took out power to one of the DC's I have equipment in. Generator kicked in after the UPSs and all was well, but the black cloud of smoke was epic. So I guess we know the exact location where kano and Luke-Jr first came in contact with each other then? ;D Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: PuertoLibre on February 20, 2013, 06:01:06 AM Code: [12:02 AM] _X_ : avalon and asicminer have units out Edit: Posted under the FAIR USE ACT for the purposes of education and discussion. Latest updates posted. Summary: "We don't know" (paraphrased) "Didn't know we needed a blank wafer mask until recently for the bumping facility" (paraphrased) etc Expect some delays. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Inaba on February 20, 2013, 06:07:05 AM Ah yes, PuerotLibre lying again as well! Good work, thanks for not disappointing me. Now, why don't you try posting an honest paraphrase instead of your bullshit spin?
At no time did I say we need a blank wafer. I said I wasn't aware blank wafers even existed. You are a piece of shit, Yajaira... are you so angry all the time because you live in a shithole, or what's the reason? I honestly can't figure out why you lie about BFL all the time? Do you sit in your basement cackling over your manifesto about how the evil BFL Empire is oppressing you? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: PuertoLibre on February 20, 2013, 06:08:00 AM What are you talking about, you said it yourself in the log!
Literally, moments ago. Edit: And yes, your timeline is shifting. You mentioned/implied that in your chat log. http://i46.tinypic.com/5mis8z.png This is what one of your customers posted on the BFL forum. It looks to me like you and he are both in agreement on the shipping starting closer to the end of Feb. Link: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/1034-february-14th-2012-update-discussion-thread-5.html#post15077 Edit: Posted under the FAIR USE ACT for the purposes of education and discussion. Don't cry wolf so many times because eventually people will stop believing you. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Syke on February 20, 2013, 06:29:44 AM Quote from: BFL_Josh We paid a company out of California quite a bit of money to run a run of simulations under different scenarios on our boards What Syke so conveniently "forgot" to include was that the quote was in reference to THERMAL simulations of how heat propagates throughout the board. If Syke wasn't a liar, he would have included that information. But since he IS, in fact, a liar (this time by omission)... you get the half quote you see there. If you had actual working chips, you wouldn't have needed to run "simulations" on thermal propagation, you would have tested the *actual* thermal propagation. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: repentance on February 20, 2013, 08:08:37 AM I thought Jody's "you'll get your units by June" post sounded a bit testy. No matter how overwhelmed customer service is right now, she's the General Manager and her comments should be calm and reassuring. The order management software, the updated shipping options, the shipping cartons all should have been in place already because they were supposed to start shipping this week.
What kind of clusterfuck would it have been if the assembled units had arrived at BFL this week and the order management software and updated shipping options weren't online and no-one had been told to send back their FPGAs? While they may be dependent on outside contractors for the technical stuff, there's no excuse for their internal administrative stuff not being ready to go. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: PuertoLibre on February 20, 2013, 08:19:08 AM I thought Jody's "you'll get your units by June" post sounded a bit testy. No matter how overwhelmed customer service is right now, she's the General Manager and her comments should be calm and reassuring. The order management software, the updated shipping options, the shipping cartons all should have been in place already because they were supposed to start shipping this week. http://i48.tinypic.com/29m8y1k.jpgWhat kind of clusterfuck would it have been if the assembled units had arrived at BFL this week and the order management software and updated shipping options weren't online and no-one had been told to send back their FPGAs? While they may be dependent on outside contractors for the technical stuff, there's no excuse for their internal administrative stuff not being ready to go. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Micon on February 20, 2013, 09:18:08 AM Pretty cute that every post of mine here gets deleted. Sick censorship. Gmaxwell, I presume.
I suppose it's bitcointalk policy not to speak ill of BFL, a company with $10M in btc community monies that haven't shipped an ASIC yet. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: repentance on February 20, 2013, 09:23:17 AM I suppose it's bitcointalk policy not to speak ill of BFL, a company with $10M in btc community monies that haven't shipped an ASIC yet. Really? There are plenty of posts critical of BFL in these threads. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: organofcorti on February 20, 2013, 09:26:58 AM Pretty cute that every post of mine here gets deleted. Sick censorship. Gmaxwell, I presume. I suppose it's bitcointalk policy not to speak ill of BFL, a company with $10M in btc community monies that haven't shipped an ASIC yet. Plenty of mine get deleted as well - none of them were on topic. I assume the same goes for yours. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Puppet on February 20, 2013, 03:14:12 PM Quite frankly, Im astounded by the level of amateurism shown here.
Josh, your project management skills seem to be limited to relaying time estimates you get from your suppliers, whom you are clearly pressuring to fastrack what is a minuscule order for them, and then passing on that information unprocessed and with no contingency provisions whatsoever as firm promises to your customers. Big surprise you keep missing deadlines. I also cant believe you still think you are days away from mass shipping when you havent had a single prototype chip to test yet. How do you plan in a few days to do functional tests, do proper chip characterization, test the chip, package and underfill for thermal and mechanical stress, verify BGA alignment, check impact of voltage fluctuation and what not? And Im just talking about the chip here, not even the rest of the PCB. This typically takes weeks, and more often than not is an iterative process as you rarely get everything right on the first try. One would have thought that BFL had learned some lessons from their first product launch disaster, but I guess not. Anyone who thinks BFL will ship more than a few untested prototypes this month, I got a bridge to sell. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: greyhawk on February 20, 2013, 04:03:13 PM Now, now, I wouldn't worry. Just last week BFL_Steven was posting in the BFL shoutbox for three days straight that he's trying to figure out how their boundary scan tester works, so I'm sure testing will go just fine without any hitch at all.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Jaw3bmasters on February 20, 2013, 04:03:37 PM Quite frankly, Im astounded by the level of amateurism shown here. Josh, your project management skills seem to be limited to relaying time estimates you get from your suppliers, whom you are clearly pressuring to fastrack what is a minuscule order for them, and then passing on that information unprocessed and with no contingency provisions whatsoever as firm promises to your customers. Big surprise you keep missing deadlines. I also cant believe you still think you are days away from mass shipping when you havent had a single prototype chip to test yet. How do you plan in a few days to do functional tests, do proper chip characterization, test the chip, package and underfill for thermal and mechanical stress, verify BGA alignment, check impact of voltage fluctuation and what not? And Im just talking about the chip here, not even the rest of the PCB. This typically takes weeks, and more often than not is an iterative process as you rarely get everything right on the first try. One would have thought that BFL had learned some lessons from their first product launch disaster, but I guess not. Anyone who thinks BFL will ship more than a few untested prototypes this month, I got a bridge to sell. But they need the pre-order funds to continue......I'll support if someone knows what they're doing. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Korbman on February 20, 2013, 04:15:04 PM But they need the pre-order funds to continue......I'll support if someone knows what they're doing. You realize this is the BFL thread and not the Avalon one, right? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: MrTeal on February 20, 2013, 04:16:51 PM my word for it. Here's what Josh had to say: Quote from: BFL_Josh We paid a company out of California quite a bit of money to run a run of simulations under different scenarios on our boards When BFL really does have a working chip, you'll hear about it. There's my good old Skye, the Liar! Lying again, I see you haven't corrected your lack of intelligence. What Syke so conveniently "forgot" to include was that the quote was in reference to THERMAL simulations of how heat propagates throughout the board. If Syke wasn't a liar, he would have included that information. But since he IS, in fact, a liar (this time by omission)... you get the half quote you see there. He might have embellished a little bit, but can you answer the jist of his question? Way back when you made that quote you also said. Quote from: BFL_Josh We made the decision to go with QFN in December. I can't really talk about our development process itself, but we have gone through extensive design and testing phases... at one point in early December we decided to look at a worst case scenario if the chips were in a really hot environment (you can see the bubbled chip in one of the pictures, I think someone pointed it out.). That kind of implies the chips that were on the pictured boards were early ASICs that were damaged by heat. Other statements made seem to indicate that there's never been an actual hashing prototype of the chip though.Has BFL ever had an ASIC (in any package) that actually communicated and hashed? If the QFN chips soldered onto the SC rev 1 board weren't ASICs, what were they? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: crazyates on February 20, 2013, 04:19:28 PM Pics from Kano's trip: http://198.245.60.111/Pix/
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Syke on February 20, 2013, 04:46:47 PM That kind of implies the chips that were on the pictured boards were early ASICs that were damaged by heat. Other statements made seem to indicate that there's never been an actual hashing prototype of the chip though. Has BFL ever had an ASIC (in any package) that actually communicated and hashed? If the QFN chips soldered onto the SC rev 1 board weren't ASICs, what were they? That just makes no sense. You don't just do a run of 8 chips. And even if you are crazy enough to produce just 8 chips, if you burn them all out, then there's no point in running thermal simulations. You already proved they can't handle the heat. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Dalkore on February 20, 2013, 04:54:14 PM But they need the pre-order funds to continue......I'll support if someone knows what they're doing. You realize this is the BFL thread and not the Avalon one, right? Korbman, you seem to be new around here with that statement. I'll leave it at June 2012. Just because you backed the BFL horse doesn't give anyone a blank-check to bash competitors with snide comments on any whem. Don't you represent an investment fund? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: MrTeal on February 20, 2013, 05:05:40 PM That kind of implies the chips that were on the pictured boards were early ASICs that were damaged by heat. Other statements made seem to indicate that there's never been an actual hashing prototype of the chip though. Has BFL ever had an ASIC (in any package) that actually communicated and hashed? If the QFN chips soldered onto the SC rev 1 board weren't ASICs, what were they? That just makes no sense. You don't just do a run of 8 chips. And even if you are crazy enough to produce just 8 chips, if you burn them all out, then there's no point in running thermal simulations. You already proved they can't handle the heat. They also dropped from 100 wafers in the production run to 75 wafers, which would be consistent with bringing 25 wafers to the point where they couldn't recover/convert them to FCBGA. Who knows what actually happened though. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Jaw3bmasters on February 20, 2013, 05:14:11 PM But they need the pre-order funds to continue......I'll support if someone knows what they're doing. You realize this is the BFL thread and not the Avalon one, right? Yes I do realize. A few months ago, its was all about BFL. Investments goes to however knows what they're doing. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on February 20, 2013, 05:32:09 PM Pretty cute that every post of mine here gets deleted. Sick censorship. Gmaxwell, I presume. I suppose it's bitcointalk policy not to speak ill of BFL, a company with $10M in btc community monies that haven't shipped an ASIC yet. Plenty of mine get deleted as well - none of them were on topic. I assume the same goes for yours. I have the opposite problem. Somebody's been adding posts to my profile. I've always been a believer in BFL and now these pics by Kano prove it. Now, I have to go and manually delete all the posts in my account that were of a negative nature toward them. Seriously, if BFL/Josh would have provided such types of picks on a regular basis and were more opened as the process continued, I believe a lot of the naysaying and trolling would never have occurred. The added bonus would have been that no money would have had to be doled out to bring a person from the other side, and down under, the globe to take pictures that Jody, or anybody else, could have. For the life of me, I don't see the thinking there. The above is not a diss. From 98.6% to 100%, BFL is not a scam. Maybe idiots, but not a scam. Peace, Josh. ~Bruno K~ Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Korbman on February 20, 2013, 05:50:57 PM Just because you backed the BFL horse doesn't give anyone a blank-check to bash competitors with snide comments on any whem. HA! You must be new here based on that statement ;) And besides, not one ASIC company knows what they're doing...doesn't matter if it's BFL, Avalon, bASIC (clearly), or ASICMiner. They're all making it up as they go along since there's no set of rules as to how these devices should look or run, or how you should treat your customers either. I only backed BFL because they were (and still are, in my opinion) the most logical investment. Slow down and take a deep breath, Dalkore. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Dalkore on February 20, 2013, 06:36:51 PM Just because you backed the BFL horse doesn't give anyone a blank-check to bash competitors with snide comments on any whem. HA! You must be new here based on that statement ;) And besides, not one ASIC company knows what they're doing...doesn't matter if it's BFL, Avalon, bASIC (clearly), or ASICMiner. They're all making it up as they go along since there's no set of rules as to how these devices should look or run, or how you should treat your customers either. It is true, that kind of behavior is common on here. These are all startup firms and they are all have their own growing pains. This constant bashing is getting old, lets just see what happens and then talk about it. Pick one or the other or none, and just accept that you took a risk and something could go wrong or it could go smoothly. They all have pros and cons and some more pronounced than others. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: johnyj on February 20, 2013, 11:54:26 PM I also cant believe you still think you are days away from mass shipping when you havent had a single prototype chip to test yet. How do you plan in a few days to do functional tests, do proper chip characterization, test the chip, package and underfill for thermal and mechanical stress, verify BGA alignment, check impact of voltage fluctuation and what not? And Im just talking about the chip here, not even the rest of the PCB. This typically takes weeks, and more often than not is an iterative process as you rarely get everything right on the first try. These are all valid concerns, but I hope they deliver quality products after thorough testing, even that could mean weeks of delay. I'd rather have more tested and stable product than sending it back for replacement after 1 week Of course the difficulty is rising each day, but quality is still of higher priority, maybe they could consider uppgrade customers with faster transport method Every time I see josh post angry reply, I know there will be another delay :D Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Micon on February 21, 2013, 12:25:50 AM Pics from Kano's trip: http://198.245.60.111/Pix/ I guess I just don't understand this show at all. Seems very much like CES to me, bring nothing, show nothing new, try and dress it up as nice as you can, but no substance of any sort. Why didn't the ppl working at the Kansas City BFL shop just take those pictures months ago? Cliffs: -- many more fan-boxes -- many power supplies -- many devices that could theoretically be used in production of ASIC miners -- a sweet airplane flight! ...but -- no ASIC chips -- no devices hashing at high speeds -- no picture of chips, bumped or not -- deafening silence on bumping facility I would have thought the latest delay tactic would have been employed by now, but now even the delays have delays. I am betting no ASICs by 3/20 in my betting thread ATM for anyone that is still confident BFL will ship and wants to bet. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Clearfly on February 21, 2013, 12:44:42 AM Whilst BFL provide zero proof other than something that looks like somewhere where they made/make their FPGA products my BTC stays in my wallet.
Avalon have faired no better, they spent all Batch#1 money on making a few prototypes and now have Batch#2 funds to work with to fulfill outstanding orders. Both have run roughshod over their consumer base with unrealistic timescales, poor communications/white lies and are playing high risk business strategies. They are both running too close to the wire for me to invest yet, so whilst BTC is on the up anyone with any sense should keep their wallets firmly closed unless you can afford to loose out, only then are the potential gains worth anything. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: PuertoLibre on February 21, 2013, 12:49:34 AM Whilst BFL provide zero proof other than something that looks like somewhere where they made/make their FPGA products my BTC stays in my wallet. I was told in PM that they didn't have any problems with manufacturing.Avalon have faired no better, they spent all Batch#1 money on making a few prototypes and now have Batch#2 funds to work with to fulfill outstanding orders. Both have run roughshod over their consumer base with unrealistic timescales, poor communications/white lies and are playing high risk business strategies. They are both running too close to the wire for me to invest yet, so whilst BTC is on the up anyone with any sense should keep their wallets firmly closed unless you can afford to loose out, only then are the potential gains worth anything. Only with clearing customs because the CNY was on top of them. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: repentance on February 21, 2013, 12:54:47 AM I think any vendor who actually gets ASICs into the hands of end users deserves recognition for pulling off a complex technical project. Unfortunately, the various delays have combined in a manner which will make the units received by the average customer far less valuable which is going to leave a sour taste for many - especially when the market corrects.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Korbman on February 21, 2013, 12:55:22 AM I was told in PM that they didn't have any problems with manufacturing. Only with clearing customs because the CNY was on top of them. And clearly you believe everything you're told.. ::) Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Clearfly on February 21, 2013, 12:55:36 AM Whilst BFL provide zero proof other than something that looks like somewhere where they made/make their FPGA products my BTC stays in my wallet. I was told in PM that they didn't have any problems with manufacturing.Avalon have faired no better, they spent all Batch#1 money on making a few prototypes and now have Batch#2 funds to work with to fulfill outstanding orders. Both have run roughshod over their consumer base with unrealistic timescales, poor communications/white lies and are playing high risk business strategies. They are both running too close to the wire for me to invest yet, so whilst BTC is on the up anyone with any sense should keep their wallets firmly closed unless you can afford to loose out, only then are the potential gains worth anything. Only with clearing customs because the CNY was on top of them. Why don't they say that in public? Like i say 'POOR COMMUNICATIONS/WHITE LIES'. I know of no business that secretly sends info out to their fanbois only. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: PuertoLibre on February 21, 2013, 12:58:23 AM Whilst BFL provide zero proof other than something that looks like somewhere where they made/make their FPGA products my BTC stays in my wallet. I was told in PM that they didn't have any problems with manufacturing.Avalon have faired no better, they spent all Batch#1 money on making a few prototypes and now have Batch#2 funds to work with to fulfill outstanding orders. Both have run roughshod over their consumer base with unrealistic timescales, poor communications/white lies and are playing high risk business strategies. They are both running too close to the wire for me to invest yet, so whilst BTC is on the up anyone with any sense should keep their wallets firmly closed unless you can afford to loose out, only then are the potential gains worth anything. Only with clearing customs because the CNY was on top of them. Why don't they say that in public? Like i say 'POOR COMMUNICATIONS/WHITE LIES'. I know of no business that secretly sends info out to their fanbois only. The only problem is everyone prefers the other theory that they had manufacturing problems. I can say I was guilty of thinking that as well at some point. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Clearfly on February 21, 2013, 01:09:12 AM Whilst BFL provide zero proof other than something that looks like somewhere where they made/make their FPGA products my BTC stays in my wallet. I was told in PM that they didn't have any problems with manufacturing.Avalon have faired no better, they spent all Batch#1 money on making a few prototypes and now have Batch#2 funds to work with to fulfill outstanding orders. Both have run roughshod over their consumer base with unrealistic timescales, poor communications/white lies and are playing high risk business strategies. They are both running too close to the wire for me to invest yet, so whilst BTC is on the up anyone with any sense should keep their wallets firmly closed unless you can afford to loose out, only then are the potential gains worth anything. Only with clearing customs because the CNY was on top of them. Why don't they say that in public? Like i say 'POOR COMMUNICATIONS/WHITE LIES'. I know of no business that secretly sends info out to their fanbois only. The only problem is everyone prefers the other theory that they had manufacturing problems. I can say I was guilty of thinking that as well at some point. Face it CNY is a convenient excuse. 297 units still not delivered. The simple fact they are acting so suspiciously should raise eyebrows in anyone with an ounce of common sense. Note. I have chosen to believe they have some integrity but little business sense and haven't run off with your money. Time will tell. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: repentance on February 21, 2013, 01:09:39 AM Why don't they say that in public? Like i say 'POOR COMMUNICATIONS/WHITE LIES'. I know of no business that secretly sends info out to their fanbois only. Actually, there was a public post made saying that 53 units had been shipped and that if they didn't make it out of China prior to 2 February then they wouldn't arrive at their destination until after CNY. That post implied that they wouldn't ship any more units until they knew everything had gone OK with those units (they said they'd used a different route, but didn't elaborate). If they've been assembling the units themselves, there's no reason why assembly couldn't have continued throughout the holiday period. Two Chinese vendors I use are resuming shipping today - the question is whether Avalon will ship any units they've assembled during the holiday period ASAP or whether they'll wait until they know the batch of 53 already shipped have been delivered without problems (because you really don't want to use that method with larger quantities until you know there are no problems with it). Avalon have never regarded themselves as accountable to anyone other than their customers and have tended to communicate with them directly rather than through the forums. It's a different business model than BFL's and you can't really compare the two. A company of 22 people which has a dedicated customer service team (as BFL claims to have) should definitely be able to provide something better than "probably by June" in response to customer questions about when they'll receive their order - and should be capable of answering 500 emails if that's what it takes to keep customers informed (what do their customer service team at BFL actually do all day if they don't have time to respond to emails). Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: 420 on February 21, 2013, 01:20:51 AM Pics from Kano's trip: http://198.245.60.111/Pix/ well at least we know they can sell cases Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: greyhawk on February 21, 2013, 01:24:59 AM Pics from Kano's trip: http://198.245.60.111/Pix/ well at least we know they can sell cases Excuse me, but the technical term is "Boxes of Fans". Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: dopamine on February 21, 2013, 01:48:45 AM So what happens when they can't ship out any actually products that actually work?
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: greyhawk on February 21, 2013, 01:51:20 AM So what happens when they can't ship out any actually products that actually work? Denial Anger Bargaining Depression Acceptance Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: johnyj on February 21, 2013, 01:52:27 AM Whilst BFL provide zero proof other than something that looks like somewhere where they made/make their FPGA products my BTC stays in my wallet. I was told in PM that they didn't have any problems with manufacturing.Avalon have faired no better, they spent all Batch#1 money on making a few prototypes and now have Batch#2 funds to work with to fulfill outstanding orders. Both have run roughshod over their consumer base with unrealistic timescales, poor communications/white lies and are playing high risk business strategies. They are both running too close to the wire for me to invest yet, so whilst BTC is on the up anyone with any sense should keep their wallets firmly closed unless you can afford to loose out, only then are the potential gains worth anything. Only with clearing customs because the CNY was on top of them. I periodically import industry materials from china (including liquid/powder kind of restricted items) through BeiJing's international logitstic agencies, and the shipping time is usually around 1 week (even during new year), not even a single time they were stopped by customs ;) Maybe they are just waiting for BFL to finish their test, and start the shipping at the same time, so that the playing field is more even for all the gamers ;D They have the card anyway Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Korbman on February 21, 2013, 01:54:39 AM So what happens when they can't ship out any actually products that actually work? http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/35174210.jpg Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: MrTeal on February 21, 2013, 05:15:39 AM Chargeback would only work for those who paid with Paypal. For everyone else, if BFL does fail and implode you can look to the bASIC threads for guidance. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on February 21, 2013, 05:40:44 AM Why don't they say that in public? Like i say 'POOR COMMUNICATIONS/WHITE LIES'. I know of no business that secretly sends info out to their fanbois only. Actually, there was a public post made saying that 53 units had been shipped and that if they didn't make it out of China prior to 2 February then they wouldn't arrive at their destination until after CNY. That post implied that they wouldn't ship any more units until they knew everything had gone OK with those units (they said they'd used a different route, but didn't elaborate). If they've been assembling the units themselves, there's no reason why assembly couldn't have continued throughout the holiday period. Two Chinese vendors I use are resuming shipping today - the question is whether Avalon will ship any units they've assembled during the holiday period ASAP or whether they'll wait until they know the batch of 53 already shipped have been delivered without problems (because you really don't want to use that method with larger quantities until you know there are no problems with it). Avalon have never regarded themselves as accountable to anyone other than their customers and have tended to communicate with them directly rather than through the forums. It's a different business model than BFL's and you can't really compare the two. A company of 22 people which has a dedicated customer service team (as BFL claims to have) should definitely be able to provide something better than "probably by June" in response to customer questions about when they'll receive their order - and should be capable of answering 500 emails if that's what it takes to keep customers informed (what do their customer service team at BFL actually do all day if they don't have time to respond to emails). In re. 500 emails: My sister works for an outfit (Rassah knows which one) that ships products to convenience stores like 7-11. She recently got promoted from being on the floor to an office-type position scheduling the fleet of drivers. I asked her how many emails she handles a day in that capacity. She said 2-3 hundred, of which she said she could handle more, for she's bored shitless and prefers to be back on the floor where it's more challenging, albeit pays less. I asked her how she does it, and she said it's easy. I answer all that I know the answer to, and the ones I don't, I know which person should know the answer and pass the email to them. She also said a couple times she's sent to an incorrect person, but they relayed the email to correct department to make sure the concern is addressed properly. And my sister's an idiot! Not in the derogatory sense, but knowing her command of the English language, making the classical mistakes we've all seen here (allot, their/there/they're, etc.). Yet, she handles the position well enough, allowing the system to function properly. Out of the pool of people wanting the position, she was the most qualified. Now, if I'm not mistaken, there's no less than 6 people doing customer service at BFL. 500 emails a day divided by 6 people is... Divide that by 8 hours, and you have... Again, not a diss, and did not take the time to proofread this post. ~Bruno K~ Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: DobZombie on February 22, 2013, 10:00:03 AM BFL seriously fucked a ton of suckers up the ass with their PRE-ORDER bullshit. ;D ;D ;D dude, they're all guilty of it. Avalon "SHIPPED" 4.5 weeks ago! Only 2 (maybe 3?) still delivered. bASIC? pre-order and fall over. I'd shut the fuck up if I were you, NOT ONE company has delivered mass ASIC yet. NOT BLOODY ANY ONE OF EM!! EDIT : Sorry to crack it. I'm just getting pissed off at this WHOLE situation. I wish ASICs for bitcoin mining had never been thought up. It's just giving everyone the shits and starting arguments amongst ourselves. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: loshia on February 22, 2013, 10:09:50 AM BFL seriously fucked a ton of suckers up the ass with their PRE-ORDER bullshit. ;D ;D ;D dude, they're all guilty of it. Avalon "SHIPPED" 4.5 weeks ago! Only 2 (maybe 3?) still delivered. bASIC? pre-order and fall over. I'd shut the fuck up if I were you, NOT ONE company has delivered mass ASIC yet. NOT BLOODY ANY ONE OF EM!! Dude, I am not going to argue with you:) But if i were BFL customer and there is no single proof that chips are OK i will be concerned. There are already passed 10 days or so and there is no single proof that chips are ok:). Prove the opposite if i am wrong. Just to refresh your memory - for that amount of time (10 days after receiving the chips) Avalon team made Working unit with cgminer and shipped it to Jef:) Do you remember that fact??? So Pray to good that chips are ok. Then pray to good that after some time BFL will start to ship:) Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: DobZombie on February 22, 2013, 10:15:37 AM Pretty cute that every post of mine here gets deleted. Sick censorship. Gmaxwell, I presume. I agree, you're posts should NEVER be deleted. It's the only way people know how much of a corrupt, slimy, stalkerish, cowardly, egotistical, and the unethical blowhard you are. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: repentance on February 22, 2013, 10:26:15 AM My sister works for an outfit (Rassah knows which one) that ships products to convenience stores like 7-11. She recently got promoted from being on the floor to an office-type position scheduling the fleet of drivers. I asked her how many emails she handles a day in that capacity. She said 2-3 hundred, of which she said she could handle more, for she's bored shitless and prefers to be back on the floor where it's more challenging, albeit pays less. I asked her how she does it, and she said it's easy. I answer all that I know the answer to, and the ones I don't, I know which person should know the answer and pass the email to them. She also said a couple times she's sent to an incorrect person, but they relayed the email to correct department to make sure the concern is addressed properly. And my sister's an idiot! Not in the derogatory sense, but knowing her command of the English language, making the classical mistakes we've all seen here (allot, their/there/they're, etc.). Yet, she handles the position well enough, allowing the system to function properly. Out of the pool of people wanting the position, she was the most qualified. Now, if I'm not mistaken, there's no less than 6 people doing customer service at BFL. 500 emails a day divided by 6 people is... Divide that by 8 hours, and you have... Again, not a diss, and did not take the time to proofread this post. ~Bruno K~ You can also write a generic email for certain types of common queries and mail merge it - so you can literally reply to 100s of emails with the same type of query at the same time (the program fills in user-specific data). This allows you plenty of time to write individual responses to the few emails which actually need them. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Frizz23 on February 22, 2013, 10:44:07 AM ... I'm just getting pissed off at this WHOLE situation. ... Understandable. How many $$$ are you going to lose in this bet? http://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/ ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: DobZombie on February 22, 2013, 10:57:48 AM How many $$$ are you going to lose in this bet? http://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/ I'm not going to give specifics, but... More than $10, but less than $10,000. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: DobZombie on February 22, 2013, 11:31:08 AM I'm being a smartarse :)
I got BTC5 riding on BFL delivering before 1st March. (That's currently US$153.25 folks!) Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: loshia on February 22, 2013, 11:53:29 AM I'm being a smartarse :) You shall bet with something else:) That bet is lost....Better bet is to buy avalon from second batch if possible and the chance to get it before any BFL asic is still good enough:)I got BTC5 riding on BFL delivering before 1st March. (That's currently US$153.25 folks!) Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: DobZombie on February 22, 2013, 12:43:41 PM Better bet is... I don't think I could bet on any of em right now. *sighs* Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: SolarSilver on February 22, 2013, 10:16:31 PM Avalon "SHIPPED" 4.5 weeks ago! Only 2 (maybe 3?) still delivered. Actually that should be at least 4 units, you underestimate by 50%...https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145885.0 More to arrive in mainland China soon I guess. As for international deliveries crossing customs borders, yes, nothing Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on February 23, 2013, 12:06:22 AM My sister works for an outfit (Rassah knows which one) that ships products to convenience stores like 7-11. She recently got promoted from being on the floor to an office-type position scheduling the fleet of drivers. I asked her how many emails she handles a day in that capacity. She said 2-3 hundred, of which she said she could handle more, for she's bored shitless and prefers to be back on the floor where it's more challenging, albeit pays less. I asked her how she does it, and she said it's easy. I answer all that I know the answer to, and the ones I don't, I know which person should know the answer and pass the email to them. She also said a couple times she's sent to an incorrect person, but they relayed the email to correct department to make sure the concern is addressed properly. And my sister's an idiot! Not in the derogatory sense, but knowing her command of the English language, making the classical mistakes we've all seen here (allot, their/there/they're, etc.). Yet, she handles the position well enough, allowing the system to function properly. Out of the pool of people wanting the position, she was the most qualified. Now, if I'm not mistaken, there's no less than 6 people doing customer service at BFL. 500 emails a day divided by 6 people is... Divide that by 8 hours, and you have... Again, not a diss, and did not take the time to proofread this post. ~Bruno K~ You can also write a generic email for certain types of common queries and mail merge it - so you can literally reply to 100s of emails with the same type of query at the same time (the program fills in user-specific data). This allows you plenty of time to write individual responses to the few emails which actually need them. I just asked my sister if she uses generic responses, and she asked me...wait for it...what are generic responses? I told you! (see main post above) After I briefly explained to her what they were, she seemed to agree that that could work, but most the time the questions and concerns consist of unique situations, therefore she's forced to respond to them personally. BTW, she does this task while using the phone when talking to drivers and vendors. And she's still bored shitless. She's planning on taking some craft project to work with her so she can work on it during the free time. Apologies for the aside above, and now the following. She asked a co-worker if there's anything else she could do in the office. The co-worker who does half the amount of work and gets paid more than my sister (assumed, due to position) told her no and to keep her mouth shut. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: ziomik on April 01, 2013, 10:43:30 AM Butterfly Labs will not ship ASIC-based Bitforce SC products before April 2013
Close? http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=701 Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Frizz23 on April 01, 2013, 10:58:01 AM Butterfly Labs will not ship ASIC-based Bitforce SC products before April 2013 Close? http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=701 It says: "The device must achieve at least 75% of its advertised hashrate." So the result of this bet will be: No Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: ziomik on April 01, 2013, 11:02:51 AM Butterfly Labs will not ship ASIC-based Bitforce SC products before April 2013 Close? http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=701 It says: "The device must achieve at least 75% of its advertised hashrate." So the result of this bet will be: No I bought a BFL SC, but I bet on NO, even as far back as October. I would rather lose. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Bogart on April 01, 2013, 11:13:47 AM Butterfly Labs will not ship ASIC-based Bitforce SC products before April 2013 Close? http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=701 Picture was posted at 1:36 AM EST. 96 minutes too late. Reported hashrate is below 75% of the advertised hashrate, if Luke ordered a Big Single. Supposedly the pictured device has not, in fact, been shipped to Luke, and is actually still at BFL, with the picture having been taken by Josh. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: ziomik on April 01, 2013, 11:19:12 AM Butterfly Labs will not ship ASIC-based Bitforce SC products before April 2013 Close? http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=701 Picture was posted at 1:36 AM EST. 96 minutes too late. Reported hashrate is below 75% of the advertised hashrate, if Luke ordered a Big Single. Supposedly the pictured device has not, in fact, been shipped to Luke, and is actually still at BFL, with the picture having been taken by Josh. is an April Fool's joke that post. 8) :-\ Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Newscastix on April 01, 2013, 01:31:39 PM Butterfly Labs will not ship ASIC-based Bitforce SC products before April 2013 Close? http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=701 Picture was posted at 1:36 AM EST. 96 minutes too late. Reported hashrate is below 75% of the advertised hashrate, if Luke ordered a Big Single. Supposedly the pictured device has not, in fact, been shipped to Luke, and is actually still at BFL, with the picture having been taken by Josh. Not only that.. this is NOT shipping ! Shipping means customers getting ordered retail units. I don't get whats there to debate about this. What we saw is, if real, a working prototype in near final stage. A huge step nonetheless. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Otoh on April 01, 2013, 03:36:02 PM Kim's BFL ASIC just arrived:
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa320/softroks/jongstrap_zpse3678a6d.jpg that's Kim Jong-un & not Kim Dotcom btw, here's his though: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6227921664/hDA59B792/ Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: smracer on April 01, 2013, 03:40:00 PM Butterfly Labs will not ship ASIC-based Bitforce SC products before April 2013 Close? http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=701 Picture was posted at 1:36 AM EST. 96 minutes too late. Reported hashrate is below 75% of the advertised hashrate, if Luke ordered a Big Single. Supposedly the pictured device has not, in fact, been shipped to Luke, and is actually still at BFL, with the picture having been taken by Josh. In the 2 actual terms of the bet a time zone was not specified. You cannot add specifics to a bet after the fact. Luke ordered a little single and even stated quite a few times that this is a little single. 25/30 > 75% The unit shipped from BFL to Josh's hosting facility where Luke is in full control of the unit. A company can hand deliver an item and it still counts as shipped. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: PuertoLibre on April 01, 2013, 07:07:01 PM Butterfly Labs will not ship ASIC-based Bitforce SC products before April 2013 Close? http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=701 Picture was posted at 1:36 AM EST. 96 minutes too late. Reported hashrate is below 75% of the advertised hashrate, if Luke ordered a Big Single. Supposedly the pictured device has not, in fact, been shipped to Luke, and is actually still at BFL, with the picture having been taken by Josh. In the 2 actual terms of the bet a time zone was not specified. You cannot add specifics to a bet after the fact. Luke ordered a little single and even stated quite a few times that this is a little single. 25/30 > 75% The unit shipped from BFL to Josh's hosting facility where Luke is in full control of the unit. A company can hand deliver an item and it still counts as shipped. Otherwise, you could slap a blank PCB on the table in front of contracted labor who <cough>purchased a unit<cough> and claim that this product is "shipped". Claiming "it works" and it is finished and shipped is just....dumb. It is incomplete, unstable, "shipped" at BFL's facility or those run by a BFL employee while the person "receiving it" (Luke) is in another nation and claims it has yet to be shipped "to him" via a courier to the nation of his residence. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: PuertoLibre on April 01, 2013, 07:11:01 PM By this same reasoning I could say that Avalon shipped earlier than January 20th.
I simply had Yifu hold it for me as he tested and transported it to his shipping department where it was "hosted" on the "test bench". Good for me, I later decided I wanted it to be shipped to my residence in another nation. ....Yes....that is right. Avalon shipped way before January 20th. <Wink, Wink> Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: glendall on April 01, 2013, 07:20:22 PM My 2 satoshi on the bet: Butterfly has not shipped, the product is not complete, they didn't win the bet.
However. I do think there is enough 'slimy gray area' in the terms of the bet that they I can dishonestly and sneakily say that they did fulfill it. But the bets aside, the question for me (as a Ava. batch 3 preorder dude) is how far they actually are from shipping now. It's tough to say exactly how much, but it does seem BFL is making progress now, and near the end goal. I'm going to say they are actually going to be really done and really shipping in the first week of May. Having what they have is still a ways off of having the working production model and being able to build en masse. Thank god I have no money in BTL or the bet. It's been amusing for me. If I had money in the BFL pot I'd probably be going absolute ape-shit insane! Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on April 01, 2013, 08:54:40 PM I'm wondering if BFL had/has a vetted interested in said bet with the way they're acting, i.e. going out of their way to post within a certain time frame. Remember, this occurred at the midnight hour, KC local time, and clearly at the KC facility on the same workbench as shown in the YT video. They could've easily called it a night early being Easter Sunday, resuming the task Monday morning. Odd!
~Bruno K~ Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: punin on April 01, 2013, 09:00:26 PM I'm wondering if BFL had/has a vetted interested in said bet with the way they're acting, i.e. going out of their way to post within a certain time frame. Remember, this occurred at the midnight hour, KC local time, and clearly at the KC facility on the same workbench as shown in the YT video. They could've easily called it a night early being Easter Sunday, resuming the task Monday morning. Odd! ~Bruno K~ I think it's rather obvious that Josh has bet a good sum on delivering before april :) Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: ziomik on April 01, 2013, 09:03:57 PM Not worth anything. BFL has not delivered its product. The bet is WON. "Butterfly Labs will not ship" before April 1.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: peasant on April 01, 2013, 09:17:04 PM So who actually decides the winner? When is this gonna get sorted out?
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Fiyasko on April 01, 2013, 11:17:50 PM If the photo of the BFL ASIC unit running at 25gh is real, Then there is a Major issue with the unit
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=755&d=1364793240 122 Hardware Faults in 43minutes is NOT a good sign Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: kano on April 02, 2013, 11:15:34 AM If the photo of the BFL ASIC unit running at 25gh is real, Then there is a Major issue with the unit 43 minutes of 25GH/s = ~15,017 1diff shareshttps://forums.butterflylabs.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=755&d=1364793240 122 Hardware Faults in 43minutes is NOT a good sign 122 = ~0.8% Yes that's high - but, well, when you use the wrong software, who knows what problems you'll find :P That software bricks Avalons, who knows what it does to BFL SC's :P Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Tamerz on April 02, 2013, 11:20:52 AM With no fans on there, I'm assuming the heatsink is doing its job. Maybe it really is just the board itself drawing too much power. I'm not sure why they went with an aluminum finned sink when the idea is compactness. I guess with the original power estimates it would have been plenty and much lighter.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: ShadesOfMarble on April 02, 2013, 01:50:17 PM How do you dissipate 180 W with such a small heatsink w/o active cooling (fan)?
That's not possible. Or the chips are running @ 150+ °C, so they will die within a few days. Or hours. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: gyverlb on April 02, 2013, 02:47:38 PM How do you dissipate 180 W with such a small heatsink w/o active cooling (fan)? That's not possible. Or the chips are running @ 150+ °C, so they will die within a few days. Or hours. According to Luke-Jr there is a fan not shown on the picture, but I agree :
So even if there is a fan it can't be very effective. I can't imagine the heatsink being anywhere good enough to keep chips generating 100+W cool. If you ever had a 100W CPU crunching data with a fan failure even with a case fan just next to the CPU you know this can't last long. 180W in this space is just a fire hazard. Surprisingly the board seems to be running fine for quite some time (at least according to the graph on eligius for the mining address used I saw earlier, can't find it again). So either something is missing or a large part of the power is dissipated in the power brick (someone should check how hot it is). Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Korbman on April 02, 2013, 03:09:43 PM [...] Surprisingly the board seems to be running fine for quite some time (at least according to the graph on eligius for the mining address used I saw earlier, can't find it again). Here we go: http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1CdcYVP4T4hjHwt353pEnGHrigeDLvuvZL Probably better to have it in more than one thread I suppose. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: chrcoe01 on April 02, 2013, 06:49:52 PM this seems to show they had a fan propped up next to it (at least during this video):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C4bgho5JSI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C4bgho5JSI) Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Zotia on April 03, 2013, 02:36:16 AM Not worth anything. BFL has not delivered its product. The bet is WON. "Butterfly Labs will not ship" before April 1. I agree, but betsofbitco.in said it was a draw! http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=701 WTF?? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Littleshop on April 03, 2013, 03:36:37 AM Not worth anything. BFL has not delivered its product. The bet is WON. "Butterfly Labs will not ship" before April 1. I agree, but betsofbitco.in said it was a draw! http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=701 WTF?? I have no money in this. Clearly by the bet rules BFL did not ship. I can not see how betsofbitco.in maintains credibility with this decision. The primary reason is the title of the bet itself and the word SHIP. Nothing has shipped. Case closed. Beyond that: "Before April 1st 2013, at least one BFL customer with a bitcointalk.org forum account established prior to the bet's opening date shall post detailed and credible photos of the device on the forum, including photos of it operating, and report its hashrate. This customer cannot be a BFL employee. " Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: JordanL on April 03, 2013, 04:36:39 AM Not worth anything. BFL has not delivered its product. The bet is WON. "Butterfly Labs will not ship" before April 1. I agree, but betsofbitco.in said it was a draw! http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=701 WTF?? I have no money in this. Clearly by the bet rules BFL did not ship. I can not see how betsofbitco.in maintains credibility with this decision. The primary reason is the title of the bet itself and the word SHIP. Nothing has shipped. Case closed. Beyond that: "Before April 1st 2013, at least one BFL customer with a bitcointalk.org forum account established prior to the bet's opening date shall post detailed and credible photos of the device on the forum, including photos of it operating, and report its hashrate. This customer cannot be a BFL employee. " I fail to understand how betsofbitcoin can claim both that titles DO count in bets, and that this one was a draw. Clearly BFL did not ship anything. Total loss of credibility. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Frizz23 on April 08, 2013, 06:12:52 PM Would it be possible to get a new shipping estimate from an official BFL employee?
I didn't find up to date information on the BFL website. Asking on the official BFL forums, I only got trolled & ridiculed, no valuable information was given to me. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: k9quaint on April 08, 2013, 06:15:26 PM Would it be possible to get a new shipping estimate from an official BFL employee? There is an algorithm for calculating the current estimated shipping date for BFL ASICs.I didn't find up to date information on the BFL website. Asking on the official BFL forums, I only got trolled & ridiculed, no valuable information was given to me. Today + 1 month = ETA. You can use that equation at any moment in time to find out exactly when BFL is going to ship. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: MXRider on April 08, 2013, 06:18:49 PM Would it be possible to get a new shipping estimate from an official BFL employee? I didn't find up to date information on the BFL website. Asking on the official BFL forums, I only got trolled & ridiculed, no valuable information was given to me. I wonder why. They say in April. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: creativex on April 08, 2013, 06:29:05 PM Would it be possible to get a new shipping estimate from an official BFL employee? I didn't find up to date information on the BFL website. Asking on the official BFL forums, I only got trolled & ridiculed, no valuable information was given to me. I wonder why. They say in April. Right. ...and in a couple weeks they'll say "May, maybe sooner, but expect shipping in May". Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: mobodick on April 08, 2013, 06:34:02 PM Would it be possible to get a new shipping estimate from an official BFL employee? I didn't find up to date information on the BFL website. Asking on the official BFL forums, I only got trolled & ridiculed, no valuable information was given to me. I wonder why. They say in April. Right. ...and in a couple weeks they'll say "May, maybe sooner, but expect shipping in May". 2014? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Syke on April 08, 2013, 06:35:35 PM Would it be possible to get a new shipping estimate from an official BFL employee? I didn't find up to date information on the BFL website. Asking on the official BFL forums, I only got trolled & ridiculed, no valuable information was given to me. It's right on the order page. Quote Pre-order Terms: Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of April 2013. Products are shipped according to placement in the order queue, and delivery may take 2 months or more after order. All sales are final. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Gator-hex on April 08, 2013, 06:50:10 PM Quote Would it be possible to get a new shipping estimate from an official BFL employee? I didn't find up to date information on the BFL website. Asking on the official BFL forums, I only got trolled & ridiculed, no valuable information was given to me. Shipping always starts the last half of whatever the current month is... Quote "Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of January 2013." "Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of February 2013." "Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of March 2013." "Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of April 2013." Also from the horses FAQ mouth.. Any orders made in April 2013 + 4-6 Months for delivery! ;) https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showwiki.php?title=FAQ:Real+Shipping+Estimate&do=article#post22854 Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Fiyasko on April 08, 2013, 07:06:49 PM Quote Would it be possible to get a new shipping estimate from an official BFL employee? I didn't find up to date information on the BFL website. Asking on the official BFL forums, I only got trolled & ridiculed, no valuable information was given to me. Shipping always starts the last half of whatever the current month is... Quote "Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of January 2013." "Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of February 2013." "Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of March 2013." "Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of April 2013." Also from the horses FAQ mouth.. Any orders made in April 2013 + 4-6 Months for delivery! ;) https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showwiki.php?title=FAQ:Real+Shipping+Estimate&do=article#post22854 How long before I receive my units? Answer: Could be 4-6 months if you ordered in early April! This years april or next years? Butterfly labs is a Full YEAR behind schedual, They fucking conned everyone into investing without dividends or shares. FUCKING THIEVES. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: bushstar on April 08, 2013, 07:10:04 PM Really looking forward to all my BFL ASICs
This is an excellent exercise in patience. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Syke on April 08, 2013, 07:26:53 PM Shipping always starts the last half of whatever the current month is... Quote "Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of October 2012." "Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of November 2012." "Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of December 2012." "Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of January 2013." "Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of February 2013." "Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of March 2013." "Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of April 2013." FTFY. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: peasant on April 08, 2013, 07:31:45 PM From the information available it looks like development on the board and chips started in March 2013. The rest of the time before that seems to consist of marketing and developing those sexy cases. :D
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Fiyasko on April 08, 2013, 08:07:31 PM From the information available it looks like development started in March 2013. The rest of the time before that seems to consist of Marketing and developing those sexy cases. :D And conning everyone into investing without giving them SHIT FUCK ALL Goddamned con artist on thier lead staff Nailed everyone Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Frankie Delaney on April 08, 2013, 11:15:27 PM From the information available it looks like development started in March 2013. The rest of the time before that seems to consist of Marketing and developing those sexy cases. :D And conning everyone into investing without giving them SHIT FUCK ALL Goddamned con artist on thier lead staff Nailed everyone Hey, the people who got fucked the hardest are getting a 25% discount on their future orders. With the increased prices, that really ads up. Oh wait, it's only up to the value of the original order, so if you ordered a single then for $1300, and order a single now for $2500, you only get $325 off which is only 13% of the order :D God, it has to hurt getting fucked so hard, and so consistently. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Minor Miner on April 08, 2013, 11:22:28 PM From the information available it looks like development started in March 2013. The rest of the time before that seems to consist of Marketing and developing those sexy cases. :D And conning everyone into investing without giving them SHIT FUCK ALL Goddamned con artist on thier lead staff Nailed everyone Hey, the people who got fucked the hardest are getting a 25% discount on their future orders. With the increased prices, that really ads up. Oh wait, it's only up to the value of the original order, so if you ordered a single then for $1300, and order a single now for $2500, you only get $325 off which is only 13% of the order :D God, it has to hurt getting fucked so hard, and so consistently. It hurts me to see them all keeping bending over and backing up for more..... Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: chipd on April 08, 2013, 11:24:59 PM From the information available it looks like development started in March 2013. The rest of the time before that seems to consist of Marketing and developing those sexy cases. :D And conning everyone into investing without giving them SHIT FUCK ALL Goddamned con artist on thier lead staff Nailed everyone Hey, the people who got fucked the hardest are getting a 25% discount on their future orders. With the increased prices, that really ads up. Oh wait, it's only up to the value of the original order, so if you ordered a single then for $1300, and order a single now for $2500, you only get $325 off which is only 13% of the order :D God, it has to hurt getting fucked so hard, and so consistently. Discount is valid only until next week, so hurry and preorder the next batch so they can scam you some more before running off. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: peasant on April 08, 2013, 11:25:05 PM At this point it's just funny. I stopped feeling bad for them. The fanbots are quite entertaining.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on April 09, 2013, 12:36:32 AM Quote Would it be possible to get a new shipping estimate from an official BFL employee? I didn't find up to date information on the BFL website. Asking on the official BFL forums, I only got trolled & ridiculed, no valuable information was given to me. Shipping always starts the last half of whatever the current month is... Quote "Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of January 2013." "Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of February 2013." "Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of March 2013." "Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of April 2013." Also from the horses FAQ mouth.. Any orders made in April 2013 + 4-6 Months for delivery! ;) https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showwiki.php?title=FAQ:Real+Shipping+Estimate&do=article#post22854 Quote FAQ:Real Shipping Estimate New discussion comments. Go to first unread. Question: When will BFL actually start shipping to customers? Answer: BFL is expected to begin sending units out by no later than April 30th. Of course this is subject to change if BFL runs into any issues. Question: How long before I receive my units? Answer: Could be 4-6 months if you ordered in early April! BFL has over 33,000 order numbers right now. Some maybe fake or refunded. ie. cancelled. Say 30%. That still leaves little over 23,000 valid orders. Some people ordered 1 unit. Others 2. Others 3 and some with 4 units. So, expect the avg. units/order to be about 2. Could also be 2.5 or 3 or even 1.5, etc. That means 46,000 units, 2 x 23,000, before getting to last order made today. Very likely this number is right but impossible to know for sure. BFL will make 400 units/day. 2,000 units/week. 8,000 units/month. That means: ->4 months = 32,000 units ->5 months = 40,000 units ->6 months = 48,000 units If you want to be somewhat optimistic you could say, 40% cancelled but that seems a tad high to me & 1.5 units per order which is little on the low side. 33,000 * 0.6 = ~20,000 * 1.5 = 30,000 units = 3 months + 3 weeks (almost 4 months) before order ships out. DELIVERY TIME Add another at least 12-15 days for outside of USA or 4-7 days inside USA to that time. This comes out to 4-6 months to receive an order placed around early April. NOTES: * Cancelled orders can be more or less than estimated. It is impossible to know exactly how many there are for sure. Some people have said maybe as high as 50-70% for fake & refunded orders. Just redo the math to get an estimated ship date for your order if you agree with them instead. ** Unit avg per order is very likely 2 but can be more (or less). I had to guess for both the percentage of cancelled orders and units/order. I believe and hope they are close to the actual results but have no idea whether those guesses are right or wrong. PS, even if you were really optimistic, 50% cancel + 1.5 units/order, you still would be looking around 3+ months before product shipped out to you. PPS, It maybe best to go with 50% cancel & 2 units/order. That will make this shipping "guess" closer to both 30 & 70% because half way in-between them. This would make sense since the actual cancelled orders are unknown by us and could be somewhere between 30-70%. 33,000 * .5 * 2 = 33,000 units / 2,000 = 16.5 weeks = 4.125 months + delivery time. How does one put in a fake order and how do they not know how many orders there are? Overall, I enjoyed the fuzzy math. I have a question for those who've ordered more than one unit at the same time: Did you get a single order number, or an order number assigned to each unit. If the former, wouldn't they have to send your complete order at the same time oppose to splitting up the order? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: creativex on April 09, 2013, 12:53:44 AM I have a question for those who've ordered more than one unit at the same time: Did you get a single order number, or an order number assigned to each unit. If the former, wouldn't they have to send your complete order at the same time oppose to splitting up the order? It just depends on how far teleporter technology progresses over the next 25 years. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Korbman on April 09, 2013, 02:43:39 AM How does one put in a fake order [...] ? Before it was as easy as slapping the keyboard a bit to get some random info typed in..and then hit submit and get a price in BTC. Now it's a bit more rigorous by comparison, unless you don't mind creating a bunch of new BFL accounts. I have a question for those who've ordered more than one unit at the same time: Did you get a single order number, or an order number assigned to each unit. If the former, wouldn't they have to send your complete order at the same time oppose to splitting up the order? I ordered 4 at a time, and they're all under one order number. I presume they'd be shipped out in one big box all at once..especially since it was a single shipping cost for the 4 as well. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on April 09, 2013, 05:13:04 AM Update from Josh: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: creativex on April 09, 2013, 05:32:01 AM Update from Josh: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html You mean this from 3/29? The most recent BS fuzzy shipping date that didn't happen? Quote I want to clarify the above post, as there is some potential confusion. We are not shipping yet. We plan on shipping possibly by the end of next week, but I will update on a shipping schedule as soon as I have more definitive information with regards to that. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on April 09, 2013, 05:40:53 AM Update from Josh: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html You mean this from 3/29? The most recent BS fuzzy shipping date that didn't happen? Quote I want to clarify the above post, as there is some potential confusion. We are not shipping yet. We plan on shipping possibly by the end of next week, but I will update on a shipping schedule as soon as I have more definitive information with regards to that. Probably too busy creating scam websites offering ASIC mining rigs. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: creativex on April 09, 2013, 05:43:11 AM Update from Josh: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html You mean this from 3/29? The most recent BS fuzzy shipping date that didn't happen? Quote I want to clarify the above post, as there is some potential confusion. We are not shipping yet. We plan on shipping possibly by the end of next week, but I will update on a shipping schedule as soon as I have more definitive information with regards to that. Probably too busy creating scam websites offering ASIC mining rigs. So many scams...so little time. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Unacceptable on April 09, 2013, 05:46:29 AM Yeah,I remember that & then this was said @ the time of the price increase,"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of April 2013."
Now on FB "gonna ship next week"...............................yeahhhhh ::) Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: marra on April 09, 2013, 07:42:12 AM Yeah,I remember that & then this was said @ the time of the price increase,"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of April 2013." Now on FB "gonna ship next week"...............................yeahhhhh ::) hahaha, yeah, they keep saying that for the last couple of weeks - this time next week... Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on April 09, 2013, 08:01:19 AM Yeah,I remember that & then this was said @ the time of the price increase,"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of April 2013." Now on FB "gonna ship next week"...............................yeahhhhh ::) That means that this week they'll be asking for the trade-ins to be shipped to them. That means they are using a fictitious business name and state of incorp. when they sent units to the FCC for testing because as of Monday the FCC has yet to touch a single product line produced by BF Labs. I'm not trying to be funny here, but those labels will probably take a couple days to make, then shipped, then somebody at the lab will need to be trained to put them on the units which will take a day (later part was me being funny, for we all know it'll take two days). I'm not pressing as hard for the UL compliance, for that's not mandatory in all jurisdictions, but it's utmost prudent that they do such to satisfy the laws for some municipalities in the US, let alone most other countries. I'm sure the guy affixing the FCC labels can also apply the UL labels to the units. Idiot me! I just fuckin' thought of something. Can somebody who has purchased an FPGA miner from BFL enlighten me as to what the FCC tag reads on your unit? I'm curious, that's all. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: ShadesOfMarble on April 09, 2013, 08:33:24 AM Don't forget the CE symbol for EU customers.
Wouldn't be the first time for a device to get confiscated by customs and then... getting destroyed. (German website: http://www.golem.de/news/deutschland-ninja-blocks-2-0-bleiben-im-zoll-haengen-1301-97197.html ) Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: BR0KK on April 09, 2013, 09:25:28 AM Don't forget the CE symbol for EU customers. Wouldn't be the first time for a device to get confiscated by customs and then... getting destroyed. (German website: http://www.golem.de/news/deutschland-ninja-blocks-2-0-bleiben-im-zoll-haengen-1301-97197.html ) Exactly what i wanted to write :) Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Unacceptable on April 09, 2013, 09:28:28 AM Yeah,I remember that & then this was said @ the time of the price increase,"Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are in final stage development with initial shipping scheduled for the last half of April 2013." Now on FB "gonna ship next week"...............................yeahhhhh ::) That means that this week they'll be asking for the trade-ins to be shipped to them. That means they are using a fictitious business name and state of incorp. when they sent units to the FCC for testing because as of Monday the FCC has yet to touch a single product line produced by BF Labs. I'm not trying to be funny here, but those labels will probably take a couple days to make, then shipped, then somebody at the lab will need to be trained to put them on the units which will take a day (later part was me being funny, for we all know it'll take two days). I'm not pressing as hard for the UL compliance, for that's not mandatory in all jurisdictions, but it's utmost prudent that they do such to satisfy the laws for some municipalities in the US, let alone most other countries. I'm sure the guy affixing the FCC labels can also apply the UL labels to the units. Idiot me! I just fuckin' thought of something. Can somebody who has purchased an FPGA miner from BFL enlighten me as to what the FCC tag reads on your unit? I'm curious, that's all. No stickers on my FPGA Single,anywhere.......................not like it matters to me.But then again I'm not your "average" non-techie type person ;) Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: RoadStress on April 09, 2013, 09:33:01 AM Update from Josh: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html So even after that update the retard from BoB decided to make it a draw? Amazing! Also everyone else using BoB right now is just supporting the tard admin. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Fiyasko on April 09, 2013, 04:32:02 PM Update from Josh: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html So even after that update the retard from BoB decided to make it a draw? Amazing! Also everyone else using BoB right now is just supporting the tard admin. Rediculos... Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: creativex on April 09, 2013, 11:29:45 PM So many Yes, most Please don't modify my words and pretend as though you're quoting me. K? Thanks. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: creativex on April 10, 2013, 12:40:43 AM Get laid or something, K? Thanks. Regularly, yes, thanks for checking. I think if you check around you'll find most people dislike being misquoted...sunshine. I asked you nicely. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: organofcorti on April 10, 2013, 01:59:22 AM All you had to do was add an FTFY and it wouldn't have been annoying. like this:
So many Yes, most FTFY. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: dataphile on April 10, 2013, 02:27:15 AM Get laid or something, K? Thanks. lmao i guess we're in high school now. Who wants to be on my dodgeball team? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Fiyasko on April 10, 2013, 03:17:35 AM Get laid or something, K? Thanks. lmao i guess we're in high school now. Who wants to be on my dodgeball team? Acting like a twat and then telling someone to "get laid or something, K?" after they politely ask for you to not do what you're doing You mayaswell have just said "your mom" Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Ente on April 13, 2013, 12:05:12 PM ..a challenger appears:
https://i.imgur.com/HxDPndN.jpgm.png (https://i.imgur.com/HxDPndN.jpg.png) See here for some USB-powered ASIC porn: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1819469#msg1819469 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1819469#msg1819469) Anyone here still believes BFLs ASICS are just around the corner? Want to bet who will deliver first? http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1525 (http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1525) Ente Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Logik on April 13, 2013, 12:33:10 PM http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1525 (http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1525) http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/why.gif Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: mezzomix on April 13, 2013, 02:54:54 PM Anyone here still believes BFLs ASICS are just around the corner? Want to bet who will deliver first? This bet will be canceled, because BFL already ships. Didn't you read the Luke-JRs post. ;D Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Ente on April 13, 2013, 03:13:24 PM Anyone here still believes BFLs ASICS are just around the corner? Want to bet who will deliver first? This bet will be canceled, because BFL already ships. Didn't you read the Luke-JRs post. ;D Oh, right! Wait wait! "Shipped" was a 24Gh/s miner, not a 5Gh/s miner a.k.a. Jalapeno. Can't be more than a few more days now. So this is a sure bet, huh? ;-) Ente Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: creativex on April 13, 2013, 04:02:20 PM ..a challenger appears: https://i.imgur.com/HxDPndN.jpgm.png (https://i.imgur.com/HxDPndN.jpg.png) See here for some USB-powered ASIC porn: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1819469#msg1819469 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1819469#msg1819469) Anyone here still believes BFLs ASICS are just around the corner? Want to bet who will deliver first? http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1525 (http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1525) Ente This bet should be cancelled and moved to a legit betting site. BoB should not be trusted with a plug nickel, let alone real money(BTC). Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Ente on April 13, 2013, 04:06:28 PM ..a challenger appears: <img> See here for some USB-powered ASIC porn: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1819469#msg1819469 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1819469#msg1819469) Anyone here still believes BFLs ASICS are just around the corner? Want to bet who will deliver first? http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1525 (http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1525) Ente This bet should be cancelled and moved to a legit betting site. BoB should not be trusted with a plug nickel, let alone real money(BTC). Hmmhmm.. I didn't hear anything bad yet. Links? Any suggestions for a more legit site then? Ente Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: creativex on April 13, 2013, 05:55:06 PM ..a challenger appears: <img> See here for some USB-powered ASIC porn: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1819469#msg1819469 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1819469#msg1819469) Anyone here still believes BFLs ASICS are just around the corner? Want to bet who will deliver first? http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1525 (http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1525) Ente This bet should be cancelled and moved to a legit betting site. BoB should not be trusted with a plug nickel, let alone real money(BTC). Hmmhmm.. I didn't hear anything bad yet. Links? Any suggestions for a more legit site then? Ente No idea how you could miss it...but anyway, here's one link, there are a dozen threads with more than a passing mention of this disgrace. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=165500.0 I don't use betting sites, but bitbet does not have this stain on their record. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Fiyasko on April 13, 2013, 07:29:27 PM SOOOooOOOooo do we have a ANY idea when/what will ship from BFL?
The last i heard of them was 1.5months ago, NOT OKAY. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: ElectricMucus on April 13, 2013, 08:38:15 PM Anyone here still believes BFLs ASICS are just around the corner? Want to bet who will deliver first? This bet will be canceled, because BFL already ships. Didn't you read the Luke-JRs post. ;D Oh, right! Wait wait! "Shipped" was a 24Gh/s miner, not a 5Gh/s miner a.k.a. Jalapeno. Can't be more than a few more days now. So this is a sure bet, huh? ;-) Ente But Luke-Jr? Seriously? :D Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Ente on April 14, 2013, 12:52:25 AM No idea how you could miss it...but anyway, here's one link, there are a dozen threads with more than a passing mention of this disgrace. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=165500.0 I don't use betting sites, but bitbet does not have this stain on their record. Ah, that one. No, didn't miss it. If that's all there is against betsofbitco.in, I am fine with using them for small amounts. Thanks for the headsup! Ente Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Logik on April 14, 2013, 01:15:48 AM Ah, that one. No, didn't miss it. If that's all there is against betsofbitco.in, I am fine with using them for small amounts. Thanks for the headsup! Ente Mate, this entire forum is basically in a Jihad against Betsofbitcoin. Don't use 'em at all :P Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: willphase on April 14, 2013, 02:03:50 AM SOOOooOOOooo do we have a ANY idea when/what will ship from BFL? The last i heard of them was 1.5months ago, NOT OKAY. next thing that will happen is that a few test little singles will be shipped to the devs of mining software e.g. I think DrHaribo from Bitminter is due to get one. My guess for this is probably early week after next (22nd April). Will Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Fiyasko on April 15, 2013, 04:14:54 AM SOOOooOOOooo do we have a ANY idea when/what will ship from BFL? The last i heard of them was 1.5months ago, NOT OKAY. next thing that will happen is that a few test little singles will be shipped to the devs of mining software e.g. I think DrHaribo from Bitminter is due to get one. My guess for this is probably early week after next (22nd April). Will Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: kano on April 15, 2013, 04:42:56 AM SOOOooOOOooo do we have a ANY idea when/what will ship from BFL? The last i heard of them was 1.5months ago, NOT OKAY. next thing that will happen is that a few test little singles will be shipped to the devs of mining software e.g. I think DrHaribo from Bitminter is due to get one. My guess for this is probably early week after next (22nd April). Will Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Fiyasko on April 15, 2013, 06:08:42 AM SOOOooOOOooo do we have a ANY idea when/what will ship from BFL? The last i heard of them was 1.5months ago, NOT OKAY. next thing that will happen is that a few test little singles will be shipped to the devs of mining software e.g. I think DrHaribo from Bitminter is due to get one. My guess for this is probably early week after next (22nd April). Will Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: kano on April 15, 2013, 08:43:53 AM SOOOooOOOooo do we have a ANY idea when/what will ship from BFL? The last i heard of them was 1.5months ago, NOT OKAY. next thing that will happen is that a few test little singles will be shipped to the devs of mining software e.g. I think DrHaribo from Bitminter is due to get one. My guess for this is probably early week after next (22nd April). Will ( of course I could be wrong on all points :D ) Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Bicknellski on May 12, 2013, 07:52:15 AM Tick tock.... any OFFICIAL updates?
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: BitMinerN8 on May 12, 2013, 07:53:55 AM Tick tock.... any OFFICIAL updates? https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html#post31814 Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Bicknellski on May 12, 2013, 07:55:38 AM They don't update here anymore? Just advertise?
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Frizz23 on May 12, 2013, 08:54:14 AM They don't update here anymore? No. Now I do the updates for them: http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/k9l5-1u-fc49.jpg Quote Just advertise? Yes. Advertise and collect money. No shipping. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: smoothie on May 12, 2013, 08:54:23 AM Quote Another busy week here at the labs. We continued to refine the LS/S/MR boards while waiting for our next delivery of chips. We expected them today, Friday the 10th, but the packager has been dragging their feet in the process (and one of the reasons we initiated the switch to a new packaging facility, as mentioned previously). The first bulk shipment from the new packaging house is expected on Tuesday and should consist of several hundred chips, which we will be building into all the product lines, assuming no snags are encountered this weekend on the latest rev of the LS/S/MR boards. If there is a blocking problem, we will build them all into 5 GH/s units, but we don't expect any blocking issues at this point. The rest of the wafers are expected at the bumping facility the following week, and once bumped, they will head to the new packaging facility which is capable of a much higher volume, so we expect them to be packaged pretty quickly and ready for use after they arrive at the facility. The word "expect" is used so much it just goes to show how much BFL doesn't have a fucking clue on when things will be done. No idea at all. Pathetic. SHOULD EXPECT SHOULD EXPECT MORE BULLSHIT UPDATES FROM BFL. :D Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: btharper on May 13, 2013, 01:50:16 AM They don't update here anymore? Just advertise? My impression is that they're sorting out the chips that ended up lower speed than predicted and trying to figure out how to ship everyone their units without having to pay out the ass for their number error. Then they'll start selling the new, slightly slower, much more expensive units.The new power draw figures aren't out yet (probably in case they have to change again) but it looks like the 5GH/s jalapeno is going to be 30w per the last thing I saw. For reference the new units support up to 16 chips on one board with higher power draw overall. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: jspielberg on May 13, 2013, 02:58:03 AM They don't update here anymore? Just advertise? My impression is that they're sorting out the chips that ended up lower speed than predicted and trying to figure out how to ship everyone their units without having to pay out the ass for their number error. Then they'll start selling the new, slightly slower, much more expensive units.The new power draw figures aren't out yet (probably in case they have to change again) but it looks like the 5GH/s jalapeno is going to be 30w per the last thing I saw. For reference the new units support up to 16 chips on one board with higher power draw overall. It looked like the Ars Technial jalapeno was 50W... seems like there is still some inconsistency to the models being shipped currently. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: kano on May 13, 2013, 07:18:59 AM They don't update here anymore? Just advertise? My impression is that they're sorting out the chips that ended up lower speed than predicted and trying to figure out how to ship everyone their units without having to pay out the ass for their number error. Then they'll start selling the new, slightly slower, much more expensive units.The new power draw figures aren't out yet (probably in case they have to change again) but it looks like the 5GH/s jalapeno is going to be 30w per the last thing I saw. For reference the new units support up to 16 chips on one board with higher power draw overall. It looked like the Ars Technial jalapeno was 50W... seems like there is still some inconsistency to the models being shipped currently. He's the only one with 50W - so unless there is something wrong with his Jalapeno, it's simply a case of using a crappy Watt meter or not being able to read. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: btharper on May 13, 2013, 05:19:31 PM They don't update here anymore? Just advertise? My impression is that they're sorting out the chips that ended up lower speed than predicted and trying to figure out how to ship everyone their units without having to pay out the ass for their number error. Then they'll start selling the new, slightly slower, much more expensive units.The new power draw figures aren't out yet (probably in case they have to change again) but it looks like the 5GH/s jalapeno is going to be 30w per the last thing I saw. For reference the new units support up to 16 chips on one board with higher power draw overall. It looked like the Ars Technial jalapeno was 50W... seems like there is still some inconsistency to the models being shipped currently. He's the only one with 50W - so unless there is something wrong with his Jalapeno, it's simply a case of using a crappy Watt meter or not being able to read. TL;DR - I would at least expect later units to draw less J/GH/s Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: kano on May 14, 2013, 01:15:14 AM They don't update here anymore? Just advertise? My impression is that they're sorting out the chips that ended up lower speed than predicted and trying to figure out how to ship everyone their units without having to pay out the ass for their number error. Then they'll start selling the new, slightly slower, much more expensive units.The new power draw figures aren't out yet (probably in case they have to change again) but it looks like the 5GH/s jalapeno is going to be 30w per the last thing I saw. For reference the new units support up to 16 chips on one board with higher power draw overall. It looked like the Ars Technial jalapeno was 50W... seems like there is still some inconsistency to the models being shipped currently. He's the only one with 50W - so unless there is something wrong with his Jalapeno, it's simply a case of using a crappy Watt meter or not being able to read. TL;DR - I would at least expect later units to draw less J/GH/s Mine reads 32W at the wall (5.4Gh/s) Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: k9quaint on May 14, 2013, 02:22:52 AM They don't update here anymore? Just advertise? My impression is that they're sorting out the chips that ended up lower speed than predicted and trying to figure out how to ship everyone their units without having to pay out the ass for their number error. Then they'll start selling the new, slightly slower, much more expensive units.The new power draw figures aren't out yet (probably in case they have to change again) but it looks like the 5GH/s jalapeno is going to be 30w per the last thing I saw. For reference the new units support up to 16 chips on one board with higher power draw overall. It looked like the Ars Technial jalapeno was 50W... seems like there is still some inconsistency to the models being shipped currently. He's the only one with 50W - so unless there is something wrong with his Jalapeno, it's simply a case of using a crappy Watt meter or not being able to read. TL;DR - I would at least expect later units to draw less J/GH/s Mine reads 32W at the wall (5.4Gh/s) How hard is it to misread a kill-a-watt? Perhaps it is a multi-chip unit with the chips under-clocked. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: kano on May 14, 2013, 03:36:11 AM ... I got one of the Jalapenos in the 2nd small batch sent out after the first 2 Jalapenos - so well before him. Mine reads 32W at the wall (5.4Gh/s) How hard is it to misread a kill-a-watt? Perhaps it is a multi-chip unit with the chips under-clocked. Mine is a multi chip (2) unit (30 cores) that is under-clocked. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: btharper on May 15, 2013, 04:57:08 AM ... I got one of the Jalapenos in the 2nd small batch sent out after the first 2 Jalapenos - so well before him. Mine reads 32W at the wall (5.4Gh/s) How hard is it to misread a kill-a-watt? Perhaps it is a multi-chip unit with the chips under-clocked. Mine is a multi chip (2) unit (30 cores) that is under-clocked. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Bicknellski on May 15, 2013, 05:15:40 AM They don't update here anymore? Just advertise? My impression is that they're sorting out the chips that ended up lower speed than predicted and trying to figure out how to ship everyone their units without having to pay out the ass for their number error. Then they'll start selling the new, slightly slower, much more expensive units.The new power draw figures aren't out yet (probably in case they have to change again) but it looks like the 5GH/s jalapeno is going to be 30w per the last thing I saw. For reference the new units support up to 16 chips on one board with higher power draw overall. Klondike.... 16 avalon chips 4.512 GH/s @ 32 watts. Hmmm funny if they work and the start mining en masse by August. I'd be pissed if that happens and I was a BFL customer waiting at the end of the queue. It be nice to see a Garzik like review of any of these "prototypes" that BFL shipped. Funny none have been given a real review. I wonder why? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: btharper on May 15, 2013, 06:53:05 AM As far as wanting to read the kill-a-watt, wired just posted the full image (http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/bitcoin005.jpg) with their review, reading 43.5, meaning a sightly higher reading around 50 may well just be current inter-unit variability. Future variability is anyone's guess though.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: kano on May 15, 2013, 09:28:29 AM ... I got one of the Jalapenos in the 2nd small batch sent out after the first 2 Jalapenos - so well before him. Mine reads 32W at the wall (5.4Gh/s) How hard is it to misread a kill-a-watt? Perhaps it is a multi-chip unit with the chips under-clocked. Mine is a multi chip (2) unit (30 cores) that is under-clocked. Mine runs at around 46C +/- 2ish ... 5.4+GH/s ... 32W But seriously - the guy considers himself worth giving a report and he comes up with 50W Sounds more like "Oh I just looked at it sideways and misread it - but does it really matter I'm within 80% of the actual value ..." He's certainly on the list of people I'd take no notice of anything he says. ... and 50W is 'slightly' higher than 43.5W? Seriously? Basically it all means his Kill-A-Watt is screwed (50W ... 43.5W ?!?) and he needs to have a reliable one before reporting ... but hell, why would anyone expect reliable info from someone reporting something ... Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Fiyasko on May 15, 2013, 05:46:36 PM ... I got one of the Jalapenos in the 2nd small batch sent out after the first 2 Jalapenos - so well before him. Mine reads 32W at the wall (5.4Gh/s) How hard is it to misread a kill-a-watt? Perhaps it is a multi-chip unit with the chips under-clocked. Mine is a multi chip (2) unit (30 cores) that is under-clocked. Mine runs at around 46C +/- 2ish ... 5.4+GH/s ... 32W But seriously - the guy considers himself worth giving a report and he comes up with 50W Sounds more like "Oh I just looked at it sideways and misread it - but does it really matter I'm within 80% of the actual value ..." He's certainly on the list of people I'd take no notice of anything he says. ... and 50W is 'slightly' higher than 43.5W? Seriously? Basically it all means his Kill-A-Watt is screwed (50W ... 43.5W ?!?) and he needs to have a reliable one before reporting ... but hell, why would anyone expect reliable info from someone reporting something ... Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: erk on May 30, 2013, 04:44:45 AM Quote 29 May 2013 - ASIC Update Almost there... I'm attaching a picture of our test board. We've almost got the firmware finalized, as you can see, we've brought power usage down quite a bit. This is a 50 GH/s unit with unbinned chips (meaning the chips were randomly selected, so some of the chips have non-functional engines. What this means is the unit can perform faster if you use binned chips with known good engines). I think the picture speaks for itself, and I apologize for the quality... just took a quick snap while we were working. However, you can see that our power usage is under 5w/GH/s. This should apply across all product lines. I plan on testing out the short boards tomorrow. We should be getting in many of the reworked short boards tomorrow as well as some long boards. Next week, we expect a much larger shipment of both long and short boards to arrive (possibly even this Saturday, but that's still up in the air.) In any event, we should have the firmware finalized by tomorrow night or Friday at the latest and ready to go. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html Some progress, though the power consumption seems a lot higher than I would have expected. They must be using 25% faster clock rate than the ones in the 5GH/s unit. 250Watts for 50GH/s is about 40% more than I calculated, factoring in the extra fans. Still I guess it's way better than the 620watt 66GH/s some reviews have reported the Avalon doing. The 5GH/s unit has been shown to have 2 x ASIC chips on the board, with space for 8 total, so I presume the 50 GH/s double board has 16 x ASIC chips, so they would need to overclock them 25% or they would only get 40GH/s out of 16 chips. /EDIT Actually the 250 watts is a pretty good figure, I worked it out wrong before, was thinking little single. You are getting effectively 10 Jalapenos worth of hash rate and they would be around 300watts worth if you bought 10 of those. The single seems more efficient. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: smoothie on May 30, 2013, 05:25:02 AM Quote 29 May 2013 - ASIC Update Almost there... I'm attaching a picture of our test board. We've almost got the firmware finalized, as you can see, we've brought power usage down quite a bit. This is a 50 GH/s unit with unbinned chips (meaning the chips were randomly selected, so some of the chips have non-functional engines. What this means is the unit can perform faster if you use binned chips with known good engines). I think the picture speaks for itself, and I apologize for the quality... just took a quick snap while we were working. However, you can see that our power usage is under 5w/GH/s. This should apply across all product lines. I plan on testing out the short boards tomorrow. We should be getting in many of the reworked short boards tomorrow as well as some long boards. Next week, we expect a much larger shipment of both long and short boards to arrive (possibly even this Saturday, but that's still up in the air.) In any event, we should have the firmware finalized by tomorrow night or Friday at the latest and ready to go. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html Some progress, though the power consumption seems a lot higher than I would have expected. They must be using 25% faster clock rate than the ones in the 5GH/s unit. 250Watts for 50GH/s is about 40% more than I calculated, factoring in the extra fans. Still I guess it's way better than the 620watt 66GH/s some reviews have reported the Avalon doing. 11.5 months and counting and still they don't have their shit together? :D Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: dan99 on May 30, 2013, 06:00:21 AM Quote 29 May 2013 - ASIC Update Almost there... I'm attaching a picture of our test board. We've almost got the firmware finalized, as you can see, we've brought power usage down quite a bit. This is a 50 GH/s unit with unbinned chips (meaning the chips were randomly selected, so some of the chips have non-functional engines. What this means is the unit can perform faster if you use binned chips with known good engines). I think the picture speaks for itself, and I apologize for the quality... just took a quick snap while we were working. However, you can see that our power usage is under 5w/GH/s. This should apply across all product lines. I plan on testing out the short boards tomorrow. We should be getting in many of the reworked short boards tomorrow as well as some long boards. Next week, we expect a much larger shipment of both long and short boards to arrive (possibly even this Saturday, but that's still up in the air.) In any event, we should have the firmware finalized by tomorrow night or Friday at the latest and ready to go. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html Some progress, though the power consumption seems a lot higher than I would have expected. They must be using 25% faster clock rate than the ones in the 5GH/s unit. 250Watts for 50GH/s is about 40% more than I calculated, factoring in the extra fans. Still I guess it's way better than the 620watt 66GH/s some reviews have reported the Avalon doing. 11.5 months and counting and still they don't have their shit together? :D I guess their shit need time to processed ;D Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 30, 2013, 06:56:17 AM Quote 29 May 2013 - ASIC Update Almost there... I'm attaching a picture of our test board. We've almost got the firmware finalized, as you can see, we've brought power usage down quite a bit. This is a 50 GH/s unit with unbinned chips (meaning the chips were randomly selected, so some of the chips have non-functional engines. What this means is the unit can perform faster if you use binned chips with known good engines). I think the picture speaks for itself, and I apologize for the quality... just took a quick snap while we were working. However, you can see that our power usage is under 5w/GH/s. This should apply across all product lines. I plan on testing out the short boards tomorrow. We should be getting in many of the reworked short boards tomorrow as well as some long boards. Next week, we expect a much larger shipment of both long and short boards to arrive (possibly even this Saturday, but that's still up in the air.) In any event, we should have the firmware finalized by tomorrow night or Friday at the latest and ready to go. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html Some progress, though the power consumption seems a lot higher than I would have expected. They must be using 25% faster clock rate than the ones in the 5GH/s unit. 250Watts for 50GH/s is about 40% more than I calculated, factoring in the extra fans. Still I guess it's way better than the 620watt 66GH/s some reviews have reported the Avalon doing. 11.5 months and counting and still they don't have their shit together? :D http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37578774.jpg Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: johnyj on May 30, 2013, 11:16:32 AM 250w at wall is impressive, but 76c degree on the chips! They are pushing it too hard, might need some powerful fans with 200+ cfm, it seems it's not a PWM fan like avalon used
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLeddcvCYAAnUnl.jpg:large Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Bitcoinorama on May 30, 2013, 12:48:13 PM Good to see positive progress for those invested, and for those doubting their financial situation, that one rig alone appears to have netted them $8.5k this month!!! That has to cover at least some overheads...
Do like their GUI. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: creativex on May 30, 2013, 12:58:47 PM Awesome. Only 7+ months late and 200w over spec.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: gyverlb on May 30, 2013, 01:28:11 PM Some progress, though the power consumption seems a lot higher than I would have expected. They must be using 25% faster clock rate than the ones in the 5GH/s unit. 250Watts for 50GH/s is about 40% more than I calculated, factoring in the extra fans. Still I guess it's way better than the 620watt 66GH/s some reviews have reported the Avalon doing. Not really comparable. Avalon is a full system, not a hashing device. Reports on 230V are 560W (not sure what the difference is for BFL devices betweens 110V/230V). If you substract a device on which cgminer can run, you're probably left with hundreds of 66GH/s devices at 500W running at customers' location compared to 50GH/s for 250W that aren't yet delivered. With Avalon you even have the choice of cheap Klondike devices (see my sig, I'm betting some of my BTCs on it) delivered in 3 months if ordered now (10 weeks for Avalon chips, 2 weeks for assembly + shipping). BFL won't even provide guesstimates on delivery delays. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Photon939 on May 30, 2013, 01:54:12 PM Hashing controllers are trivial now, the avalon runs on a cheapo $15 china wifi router and Mineforeman's minepeon distro for the raspberry pi gets you a mining controller for $35 that uses 2 watts.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: mezzomix on May 30, 2013, 02:03:09 PM With Avalon you even have the choice of cheap Klondike devices (see my sig, I'm betting some of my BTCs on it) delivered in 3 months if ordered now (10 weeks for Avalon chips, 2 weeks for assembly + shipping). BFL won't even provide guesstimates on delivery delays. True. The people waiting for this Klondike device may have their miner long before the june/july 2012 BFL orders are shipped. It doesn't matter that a single consumes "only" 250W if you ordered in june 2012, paid nearly 200 BTC and receive the machine in 2014 (or never). Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Bitcoinorama on May 30, 2013, 02:13:10 PM With Avalon you even have the choice of cheap Klondike devices (see my sig, I'm betting some of my BTCs on it) delivered in 3 months if ordered now (10 weeks for Avalon chips, 2 weeks for assembly + shipping). BFL won't even provide guesstimates on delivery delays. True. The people waiting for this Klondike device may have their miner long before the june/july 2012 BFL orders are shipped. It doesn't matter that a single consumes "only" 250W if you ordered in june 2012, paid nearly 200 BTC and receive the machine in 2014 (or never). There is a huge amount of trust involved in bulk chips reaching destinations, being distributed, reaching more destinations, being assembled, reaching final destinations with several anonymous parties involved (as in real, not forum identities) whilst being paid for with anonymous currencies (for the most part). I foresee a lot of tears ahead within the DIY arena...let alone unforeseen delays which are inevitable. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: gyverlb on May 30, 2013, 02:20:15 PM With Avalon you even have the choice of cheap Klondike devices (see my sig, I'm betting some of my BTCs on it) delivered in 3 months if ordered now (10 weeks for Avalon chips, 2 weeks for assembly + shipping). BFL won't even provide guesstimates on delivery delays. True. The people waiting for this Klondike device may have their miner long before the june/july 2012 BFL orders are shipped. It doesn't matter that a single consumes "only" 250W if you ordered in june 2012, paid nearly 200 BTC and receive the machine in 2014 (or never). There is a huge amount of trust involved in bulk chips reaching destinations, being distributed, reaching more destinations, being assembled, reaching final destinations with several anonymous parties involved (as in real, not forum identities) whilst being paid for with anonymous currencies (for the most part). I foresee a lot of tears ahead within the DIY arena...let alone unforeseen delays which are inevitable. Use escrow instead of sending your preorder money into the wind... I wouldn't have bet some BTCs on the Klondike devices if Jonh K. didn't provide escrow for it. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: deadweasel on May 30, 2013, 02:24:16 PM With Avalon you even have the choice of cheap Klondike devices (see my sig, I'm betting some of my BTCs on it) delivered in 3 months if ordered now (10 weeks for Avalon chips, 2 weeks for assembly + shipping). BFL won't even provide guesstimates on delivery delays. True. The people waiting for this Klondike device may have their miner long before the june/july 2012 BFL orders are shipped. It doesn't matter that a single consumes "only" 250W if you ordered in june 2012, paid nearly 200 BTC and receive the machine in 2014 (or never). There is a huge amount of trust involved in bulk chips reaching destinations, being distributed, reaching more destinations, being assembled, reaching final destinations with several anonymous parties involved (as in real, not forum identities) whilst being paid for with anonymous currencies (for the most part). I foresee a lot of tears ahead within the DIY arena...let alone unforeseen delays which are inevitable. I do too. Drama is spawning under the surface as many people give their BTC to random forum users for chips or miners, none of whom have done any due diligence. Hopefully, some of them learn responsibility from the upcoming cry/bitchfest when nothing turns out how they expected in their imaginations. One thing is true, bitcoiners have wild imaginations and an extra fat drama glands (I'm not a doctor, but it's located somewhere in your anus). Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Bitcoinorama on May 30, 2013, 02:25:45 PM With Avalon you even have the choice of cheap Klondike devices (see my sig, I'm betting some of my BTCs on it) delivered in 3 months if ordered now (10 weeks for Avalon chips, 2 weeks for assembly + shipping). BFL won't even provide guesstimates on delivery delays. True. The people waiting for this Klondike device may have their miner long before the june/july 2012 BFL orders are shipped. It doesn't matter that a single consumes "only" 250W if you ordered in june 2012, paid nearly 200 BTC and receive the machine in 2014 (or never). There is a huge amount of trust involved in bulk chips reaching destinations, being distributed, reaching more destinations, being assembled, reaching final destinations with several anonymous parties involved (as in real, not forum identities) whilst being paid for with anonymous currencies (for the most part). I foresee a lot of tears ahead within the DIY arena...let alone unforeseen delays which are inevitable. Use escrow instead of sending your preorder money into the wind... I wouldn't have bet some BTCs on the Klondike devices if Jonh K. didn't provide escrow for it. I haven't ordered, but when is escrow released? at the point of chip receipt before redistribution? or once finally the devices are in your hands? How are the parts funded ahead of time without your funds?? I'm constantly aghast at the stupidity and zero research performed as members of this forum demonstrated regularly as they fork over cash... Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: gyverlb on May 30, 2013, 03:03:47 PM With Avalon you even have the choice of cheap Klondike devices (see my sig, I'm betting some of my BTCs on it) delivered in 3 months if ordered now (10 weeks for Avalon chips, 2 weeks for assembly + shipping). BFL won't even provide guesstimates on delivery delays. True. The people waiting for this Klondike device may have their miner long before the june/july 2012 BFL orders are shipped. It doesn't matter that a single consumes "only" 250W if you ordered in june 2012, paid nearly 200 BTC and receive the machine in 2014 (or never). There is a huge amount of trust involved in bulk chips reaching destinations, being distributed, reaching more destinations, being assembled, reaching final destinations with several anonymous parties involved (as in real, not forum identities) whilst being paid for with anonymous currencies (for the most part). I foresee a lot of tears ahead within the DIY arena...let alone unforeseen delays which are inevitable. Use escrow instead of sending your preorder money into the wind... I wouldn't have bet some BTCs on the Klondike devices if Jonh K. didn't provide escrow for it. I haven't ordered, but when is escrow released? at the point of chip receipt before redistribution? or once finally the devices are in your hands? How are the parts funded ahead of time without your funds?? I'm constantly aghast at the stupidity and zero research performed as members of this forum demonstrated regularly as they fork over cash... ?! Name calling? These questions may ::) be answered in the group buy thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=200067.0). Last time I checked there was no place I could drive to buy an Asic miner in hand (and not a single branch in Europe of an Asic vendor I could visit). For European customers every single ASIC bought had been with preorders with people far across the globe. At least with this group buy if things go wrong the trace of the scam begins in Europe and not half the world away. Every ASIC investment involves substantial risks right now (scam, late delivery, unstable/broken product delivered, business failure...). If you can't compare those risks and distribute your investments of course you will be disappointed. Although I had bumps in the road (refunded bASICs) my investments in ASICs are paying themselves nicely right now so I'm probably doing something right... Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Bitcoinorama on May 30, 2013, 03:24:42 PM Dude there's no name calling. I'm well aware of that thread and the KNC Miner one. I live in Europe. Bitsyncom has a chip purchase specific wallet with 760,000 chips worth of Bitcoins sitting in it. That one group buy for 10,000 looks legit. Others aren't so. On top of which they've had trouble completing the shipping of either of their mining rig runs successfully.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Fiyasko on May 30, 2013, 05:10:30 PM Can we uhh, Talk more about BFL and less about the other guys... This IS the BFL announcement thread afterall...
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: johnyj on May 30, 2013, 05:41:38 PM The mining return will drop so fast that soon people will just buy coins instead of mine, why bother with so much hassles about the electricity/heat/management of rigs if you are not a hardware fan... ASICminer's shares could be another alternative
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: philips on May 30, 2013, 06:31:15 PM 250w at wall is impressive, but 76c degree on the chips! They are pushing it too hard, might need some powerful fans with 200+ cfm, it seems it's not a PWM fan like avalon used The board is not in its enclosure. There are two more big fans in a push-pull configuration which will hopefully drop the temps a bit. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: erk on May 30, 2013, 06:39:27 PM Can we uhh, Talk more about BFL and less about the other guys... This IS the BFL announcement thread afterall... Agreed, the mods allow these threads to go so off track it's unsurvivable. Do you want people to go over to the Klondike development thread and only talk about BFL products and derail the thread?Quote from: BFL_Josh;36579 Quote Quote Originally Posted by jml View Post For the 'legacy' 60/30Gh orders, are those going to be filled with one unit at this point? Sorry if this has been answered, I haven't seen a current position on this topic recently. Thanks! 30's definitely. 60's almost for sure, but not 100% quite yet. We get our first batch of binned chips today I think (or tomorrow) so we'll see then. I don't anticipate it will be a problem putting 60 GH/s (+/- 10%) into a box. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/2967-may-29-2013-asic-update-discussion-thread-6.html This might be good news for people with older orders. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Bicknellski on July 13, 2013, 05:19:36 PM http://www.ic3.gov/faq/default.aspx
Q: Can I file a complaint if I am a citizen of the United States but have been victimized by an individual or company outside of the United States? If one of the two parties involved is located within the United States, please feel free to file a complaint. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: k9quaint on July 13, 2013, 07:08:16 PM http://www.ic3.gov/faq/default.aspx Q: Can I file a complaint if I am a citizen of the United States but have been victimized by an individual or company outside of the United States? If one of the two parties involved is located within the United States, please feel free to file a complaint. From http://www.ic3.gov/about/default.aspx The IC3 gives the victims of cyber crime a convenient and easy-to-use reporting mechanism that alerts authorities of suspected criminal or civil violations. For law enforcement and regulatory agencies at the federal, state, local, and international level, the IC3 provides a central referral mechanism for complaints involving Internet related crimes. It looks like if IC3 can't do anything about it, they would refer the complaint to an organization that would be able to. If you live in the US, they will probably go to bat for you. If only the accused party lives in the US, they would probably investigate on the assumption that a fraudulent operation inside the US would also target US citizens in addition to violating the law. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Inaba on July 13, 2013, 08:44:11 PM You guys try so hard and fail at every attempt. Does it suck to be such failure, or is it just "normal" for you and you don't know any other method of operation? Do you lurch from one failure to another, wondering why the world is out to get you? I've always wondered what it's like to be bad at everything you do, unable to succeed at anything. It's actually pretty funny, keep it up!
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: PuertoLibre on July 13, 2013, 09:28:48 PM Alright, listen up, no one say anything about BFL after the above comment.
No, not even it's management or any forms of [perceived] incompetence therein. Let him bask in the glowing irony of his own statement and circumstance. Shhh....just let it be. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: klondike_bar on July 14, 2013, 12:12:38 AM You guys try so hard and fail at every attempt. Does it suck to be such failure, or is it just "normal" for you and you don't know any other method of operation? Do you lurch from one failure to another, wondering why the world is out to get you? I've always wondered what it's like to be bad at everything you do, unable to succeed at anything. It's actually pretty funny, keep it up! heh..hehehehehehehe.ahahahahhahahaa...ahahhahahahahahahah ;D I have the feeling there is an entire year worth of customers waiting for a product that may feel similarly. ps: i havent been following closely, but is 'Inaba' actually a BFL employee? I keep hearing so, but trolls be trollin' ??? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Flying Hellfish on July 14, 2013, 01:17:53 AM You guys try so hard and fail at every attempt. Does it suck to be such failure, or is it just "normal" for you and you don't know any other method of operation? Do you lurch from one failure to another, wondering why the world is out to get you? I've always wondered what it's like to be bad at everything you do, unable to succeed at anything. It's actually pretty funny, keep it up! heh..hehehehehehehe.ahahahahhahahaa...ahahhahahahahahahah ;D I have the feeling there is an entire year worth of customers waiting for a product that may feel similarly. ps: i havent been following closely, but is 'Inaba' actually a BFL employee? I keep hearing so, but trolls be trollin' ??? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97269.msg1071218#msg1071218 Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: klondike_bar on July 14, 2013, 04:16:25 AM You guys try so hard and fail at every attempt. Does it suck to be such failure, or is it just "normal" for you and you don't know any other method of operation? Do you lurch from one failure to another, wondering why the world is out to get you? I've always wondered what it's like to be bad at everything you do, unable to succeed at anything. It's actually pretty funny, keep it up! heh..hehehehehehehe.ahahahahhahahaa...ahahhahahahahahahah ;D I have the feeling there is an entire year worth of customers waiting for a product that may feel similarly. ps: i havent been following closely, but is 'Inaba' actually a BFL employee? I keep hearing so, but trolls be trollin' ??? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97269.msg1071218#msg1071218 suddenly, it seems a lot less funny what Inaba said. :( Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: southerngentuk on July 14, 2013, 04:33:07 AM Don't get upset guys his comment was directed at BFL_Josh !
Have you watched Fight Club ;D Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Syke on July 14, 2013, 04:36:19 AM You guys try so hard and fail at every attempt. Does it suck to be such failure, or is it just "normal" for you and you don't know any other method of operation? Do you lurch from one failure to another, wondering why the world is out to get you? I've always wondered what it's like to be bad at everything you do, unable to succeed at anything. It's actually pretty funny, keep it up! Speaking of failure, let's take a look at Jody's blog. Wednesday, July 10, 2013 Shipping Update Quote No Little Singles Shipped Thursday, July 11, 2013 Shipping Update Quote We shipped no Little Singles today. Friday, July 12, 2013 Shipping Update Quote We shipped no Little Singles today. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: gambit1 on July 21, 2013, 07:04:37 PM "You guys try so hard and fail at every attempt. Does it suck to be such failure, or is it just "normal" for you and you don't know any other method of operation? Do you lurch from one failure to another, wondering why the world is out to get you? I've always wondered what it's like to be bad at everything you do, unable to succeed at anything. It's actually pretty funny, keep it up!"
I'm not really into mining and haven't ordered anything from butterfly labs so I'm not really orientated to the situation. Did a butterfly labs employee just insult the bitcoin community and his own customers in the most venal terms possible? Or have I got the wrong idea? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Fiyasko on July 21, 2013, 07:13:06 PM "You guys try so hard and fail at every attempt. Does it suck to be such failure, or is it just "normal" for you and you don't know any other method of operation? Do you lurch from one failure to another, wondering why the world is out to get you? I've always wondered what it's like to be bad at everything you do, unable to succeed at anything. It's actually pretty funny, keep it up!" Nope, Thats exactly what he does, and keeps doing.I'm not really into mining and haven't ordered anything from butterfly labs so I'm not really orientated to the situation. Did a butterfly labs employee just insult the bitcoin community and his own customers in the most venal terms possible? Or have I got the wrong idea? LittleFury™ is a good alternative to BFL Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: gambit1 on July 21, 2013, 07:23:06 PM Ok. I have no dog in this fight but think that's outrageous. I've changed my signature to publicize this behavior.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: minternj on July 21, 2013, 07:33:16 PM This is the quote you pick? Im sure there are better ones from josh.
Btw the quote was directed at a non customer. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: gambit1 on July 21, 2013, 07:39:57 PM How about that then?
Also, do you like my new avatar? WE'LL DO IT LIVE!!! Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: minternj on July 21, 2013, 07:44:54 PM love it. quote is so so. just saying you can pick a much more provocative quote from josh. there have been way better.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: jojo69 on July 21, 2013, 07:52:21 PM You guys try so hard and fail at every attempt. Does it suck to be such failure, or is it just "normal" for you and you don't know any other method of operation? Do you lurch from one failure to another, wondering why the world is out to get you? I've always wondered what it's like to be bad at everything you do, unable to succeed at anything. It's actually pretty funny, keep it up! pot, meet kettle kettle...pot Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: gambit1 on July 21, 2013, 07:58:54 PM I feel a degree of solidarity with anybody who has done business with that reprehensible individual. I think that anyone who is part of the bitcoin community should.
There was mention of legal action. What are the prospects for such action? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Ytterbium on July 21, 2013, 08:13:35 PM Ok. I have no dog in this fight but think that's outrageous. I've changed my signature to publicize this behavior. You're missing a closing quote on that sig. As a programmer, that is driving me insane. How about: Quote "You guys try so hard and fail at every attempt. Does it suck to be such failure, or is it just \"normal\" for you and you don't know any other method of operation?" A BUTTERFLY LABS EMPLOYEE Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Flying Hellfish on July 21, 2013, 08:18:54 PM "You guys try so hard and fail at every attempt. Does it suck to be such failure, or is it just "normal" for you and you don't know any other method of operation? Do you lurch from one failure to another, wondering why the world is out to get you? I've always wondered what it's like to be bad at everything you do, unable to succeed at anything. It's actually pretty funny, keep it up!" I'm not really into mining and haven't ordered anything from butterfly labs so I'm not really orientated to the situation. Did a butterfly labs employee just insult the bitcoin community and his own customers in the most venal terms possible? Or have I got the wrong idea? Inaba is the COO, so ya he's an employee. Here's another gem of a quote from Inaba and how he/BFL feel about ALL BT Talk forum members. Here's what he thinks about forum members. ... This is why we no longer give a shit about this forum; Everyone here is monumental assholes, no matter how accommodating one tries to be. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: gambit1 on July 21, 2013, 08:34:22 PM Again it very much looks like a pot/kettle scenario.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Paladin69 on July 25, 2013, 02:39:58 PM You guys try so hard and fail at every attempt. Does it suck to be such failure, or is it just "normal" for you and you don't know any other method of operation? Do you lurch from one failure to another, wondering why the world is out to get you? I've always wondered what it's like to be bad at everything you do, unable to succeed at anything. It's actually pretty funny, keep it up! Speaking of failure, let's take a look at Jody's blog. Wednesday, July 10, 2013 Shipping Update Quote No Little Singles Shipped Thursday, July 11, 2013 Shipping Update Quote We shipped no Little Singles today. Friday, July 12, 2013 Shipping Update Quote We shipped no Little Singles today. My guess is that Little Singles aren't shipping until the Jalapeno upgrade order dates arrive. Little Single should not be shipping before S/MR except for in cases of Jally upgrades. LS came out later. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: molecular on July 25, 2013, 02:50:41 PM You guys try so hard and fail at every attempt. Does it suck to be such failure, or is it just "normal" for you and you don't know any other method of operation? Do you lurch from one failure to another, wondering why the world is out to get you? I've always wondered what it's like to be bad at everything you do, unable to succeed at anything. It's actually pretty funny, keep it up! Speaking of failure, let's take a look at Jody's blog. Wednesday, July 10, 2013 Shipping Update Quote No Little Singles Shipped Thursday, July 11, 2013 Shipping Update Quote We shipped no Little Singles today. Friday, July 12, 2013 Shipping Update Quote We shipped no Little Singles today. My guess is that Little Singles aren't shipping until the Jalapeno upgrade order dates arrive. Little Single should not be shipping before S/MR except for in cases of Jally upgrades. LS came out later. They already shipped some little singles this week according to Jodys blog. Now they stoppen on ordering date Jun 25th. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Paladin69 on July 25, 2013, 03:02:12 PM ... This is why we no longer give a shit about this forum; Everyone here is monumental assholes, no matter how accommodating one tries to be. But he has customers on this forum? No matter how rude people are to him this should never be said. People gave them a lot of money for being a professional. If they wanted to be "accommodating", then they should let people know who the Chicago facility is and other details like the amount of hashrate for each pay date, amount of orders for each pay date. The amount of orders going out each day. That is the vital info that is concerning me. If the employees have large hashrate positions of their own, then it would be in their best interest to not ship orders until China takes the difficulty through the roof. It feels like these companies are trying to time it now in the market. I wonder if they are waiting on Bitfury to release their $18K 400GH orders? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: ewibit on July 25, 2013, 04:41:26 PM They already shipped some little singles this week according to Jodys blog. Now they stoppen on ordering date Jun 25th. what does this mean for me Fulfilled?Code: Order # Date Ship To Order Total Order Status (and no email, no shipping information) Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Flying Hellfish on July 25, 2013, 04:57:53 PM ... This is why we no longer give a shit about this forum; Everyone here is monumental assholes, no matter how accommodating one tries to be. That is the vital info that is concerning me. If the employees have large hashrate positions of their own, then it would be in their best interest to not ship orders until China takes the difficulty through the roof. Does this help? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89902.0 Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Fiyasko on July 26, 2013, 11:33:18 PM ... This is why we no longer give a shit about this forum; Everyone here is monumental assholes, no matter how accommodating one tries to be. That is the vital info that is concerning me. If the employees have large hashrate positions of their own, then it would be in their best interest to not ship orders until China takes the difficulty through the roof. Does this help? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89902.0 Wow, Just fucking wow. If you have paied for a BFL device and havent recived it yet, Odds are that its because bfl is mining coins off of it and selling people shares of the coins in pulls in Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Inaba on July 26, 2013, 11:47:36 PM ... This is why we no longer give a shit about this forum; Everyone here is monumental assholes, no matter how accommodating one tries to be. That is the vital info that is concerning me. If the employees have large hashrate positions of their own, then it would be in their best interest to not ship orders until China takes the difficulty through the roof. Does this help? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89902.0 Wow, Just fucking wow. If you have paied for a BFL device and havent recived it yet, Odds are that its because bfl is mining coins off of it and selling people shares of the coins in pulls in In addition to spelling and grammar problems, it's clear you also have reading comprehension problems. You have the trifecta going on, there. The hat trick of stupidity, as it were. I'd give you a quarter to go buy a clue, but you might as well take it from Bryan, he's never used it. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Fiyasko on July 27, 2013, 12:42:25 AM ... This is why we no longer give a shit about this forum; Everyone here is monumental assholes, no matter how accommodating one tries to be. That is the vital info that is concerning me. If the employees have large hashrate positions of their own, then it would be in their best interest to not ship orders until China takes the difficulty through the roof. Does this help? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89902.0 Wow, Just fucking wow. If you have paied for a BFL device and havent recived it yet, Odds are that its because bfl is mining coins off of it and selling people shares of the coins in pulls in In addition to spelling and grammar problems, it's clear you also have reading comprehension problems. You have the trifecta going on, there. The hat trick of stupidity, as it were. I'd give you a quarter to go buy a clue, but you might as well take it from Bryan, he's never used it. Here, i'll underline any of my grammatical errors just to show that you're a dick, most humans dont care SO MUCH about spelling and grammar, The english language itself is Fucked! So here in my post we have, One misspelled word occuring twice (paied instead of payed), the word Their, with the ie reversed due to finger-to-keyboard timing inaccuracy (due to pace and speed of typing) and a Capital O on Odds when it should have been a lowercase. Oh, and I forgot to place a period. So i've done what wrong exactly? I've messed up during my typing and that makes you state that I have reading comprehension problems, that I have spelling and grammar issues (wich are rather simmilar in my case) that causes you to insult me repeatedly. Wanna count? "in addtion to spelling and grammar problems" "have reading comprehension problems" thats another insult "You have the trifecta going on, there." Bashing in the insults "hat trick of stupidity you have there" Bashing in on the same insults that you've already "capped off" "I'd give you a quarter to go buy a clue" We all know where and when that massive insult was handed out, You choose to repeat yourself, implying that I am simmilarily idiotic to Bryan You throw out this many insults over one double spelling error, two typos and a wrongful uppercase letter? (oh and the missed period, almost forgot that, like a human would) Defensive much? Proove to the people with outstanding preorders (months late) that you are not mining on A SINGLE fucking BFL unit that a customer has funded the creation of, because I am pretty damn certain that some people with order numbers have thier unit being hashing away at blocks, sitting in your "labs" earning you some profit as part of "testing" Do so and I will be HAPPY to delete my post that contains "wrongful" information, Because I will have been wrong. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Inaba on July 27, 2013, 04:29:36 PM No, I throw out insults because you're a a liar, get it straight! I don't care about your spelling or grammatical errors, but they just serve to illustrate what an idiot you are. If you're going to lie and attack someone or some thing, you should at least put some effort into appearing intelligent. You failed, so I figured I'd point out the fact that no only are you lying, but you're doing it poorly and you look like an idiot in the process.
Your claim that BFL is mining with customer equipment and not sending it out is patently ridiculous. Your claim that somehow I am selling shares, paying shareholders and keeping the equipment is patently ridiculous and in fact just the opposite has been stated in the threads you failed to be able to read and understand (Hence the reading comprehension fail). You want to post negative information about me or BFL? By all means, go ahead. You'll notice the only people I have a problem with are the ones who are lying sacks o' crap, such as yourself. Stick to facts and be honest and you'll get no problem from me. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Xian01 on July 27, 2013, 04:41:32 PM You'll notice the only people I have a problem with are the ones who are lying sacks o' crap, such as yourself. Stick to facts and be honest and you'll get no problem from me. *requisite mention of Pot Kettle Black* So, serious question, does this mean that you are recognizing that you have a problem with yourself ?! It's some staggering cognitive dissonance seeing you using the word "honest" in a self-referential manner, Abe. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Ytterbium on July 27, 2013, 04:49:23 PM No, I throw out insults because you're a a liar, get it straight! I don't care about your spelling or grammatical errors, but they just serve to illustrate what an idiot you are. Inaba, I only just recently got into the bitcointalk forums, even though I've been mining for a long time. I have to say I'm seriously confused about why you're acting this way. Presumably you'd like to sell your chips and continue to sell miners, right? You're coming across as incredibly childish and immature here. All you have to do to shut up all your critics is deliver, if you get your chips and your miners out there and they'll have nothing to say. If I were looking to buy ASICs in bulk, I'd have serious reservations as it is - and there are a number of very credible competitors out there at this point. If you're acting this way on forums it doesn't instill a lot of confidence in your company at all. Obviously I don't know the history - and clearly it goes back a long way with certain people. But if you come in here and insult people, but then don't answer the pertinent questions people ask it does look bad. Also, I think you should at least try to be more understanding with some of your angry customers. I know delays happen with electronics, and normally it isn't that big of a deal. But if you'd delivered what you promised on time a lot of these people might be rich now. With every day they don't have their product, they see that wealth slipping through their fingers. I have to say I don't really get it. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Fiyasko on July 27, 2013, 07:31:02 PM No, I throw out insults because you're a a liar, get it straight! I don't care about your spelling or grammatical errors, but they just serve to illustrate what an idiot you are. If you're going to lie and attack someone or some thing, you should at least put some effort into appearing intelligent. You failed, so I figured I'd point out the fact that no only are you lying, but you're doing it poorly and you look like an idiot in the process. (Top paragraph skipped, theres no conversation to be had there)Your claim that BFL is mining with customer equipment and not sending it out is patently ridiculous. Your claim that somehow I am selling shares, paying shareholders and keeping the equipment is patently ridiculous and in fact just the opposite has been stated in the threads you failed to be able to read and understand (Hence the reading comprehension fail). You want to post negative information about me or BFL? By all means, go ahead. You'll notice the only people I have a problem with are the ones who are lying sacks o' crap, such as yourself. Stick to facts and be honest and you'll get no problem from me. Ridiculous? How is it ridiculous to assume that you're mining BTC on equipment before shipping it out, makes sense to earn the extra profit does it no? I claimed that you were somehow selling shares- Yeah I fucked up big time there. Reading comprehension failure- I didnt read the thread, I was linked into it, So i'd say that this is a moot failure on my part Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Inaba on July 27, 2013, 07:36:03 PM No, I throw out insults because you're a a liar, get it straight! I don't care about your spelling or grammatical errors, but they just serve to illustrate what an idiot you are. Inaba, I only just recently got into the bitcointalk forums, even though I've been mining for a long time. I have to say I'm seriously confused about why you're acting this way. Presumably you'd like to sell your chips and continue to sell miners, right? You're coming across as incredibly childish and immature here. All you have to do to shut up all your critics is deliver, if you get your chips and your miners out there and they'll have nothing to say. If I were looking to buy ASICs in bulk, I'd have serious reservations as it is - and there are a number of very credible competitors out there at this point. If you're acting this way on forums it doesn't instill a lot of confidence in your company at all. Obviously I don't know the history - and clearly it goes back a long way with certain people. But if you come in here and insult people, but then don't answer the pertinent questions people ask it does look bad. Also, I think you should at least try to be more understanding with some of your angry customers. I know delays happen with electronics, and normally it isn't that big of a deal. But if you'd delivered what you promised on time a lot of these people might be rich now. With every day they don't have their product, they see that wealth slipping through their fingers. I have to say I don't really get it. You'll probably want to go back and read previous threads to catch up, then. Lots of people similar to Jackrabiit like to make up lies and misinformation to smear BFL because they like the attention. I'm not here as a BFL rep, so you get my opinion of the post content or the person posting, not BFL's. The signal to noise on this forum is so out of whack, it's completely immaterial what happens here - this subforum is no longer relevant as far as business goes, as there is simply no way to separate the BS from the truth with people like PG, Jackrabiit, et al posting completely false information over and over in an attempt to confuse everyone because I hurt their wittle feewings. So to answer your question, no we do not want to sell miners or chips to people who are more trouble than they are worth as far as customers go. People like Jackrabiit, Xian, Jordan, etc... cost more money to retain as customers than they generate in revenue, so they are a net loss and need to go, go go! I'm very understanding with angry customers. I am not understanding with non-customers who make up false information or even customers who continually lie over and over in an attempt to get others to cancel their orders because they think it will make their orders more valuable, or simply for grins. If you want adult conversation and not a bunch of children bitching and moaning about how sad they are and acting like a bunch of mentally handicapped emo-teens, I suggest the BFL forums (https://forums.butterflylabs.com), where the riff-raff and trolls are kept at bay fairly well. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Inaba on July 27, 2013, 07:41:02 PM Ridiculous? How is it ridiculous to assume that you're mining BTC on equipment before shipping it out, makes sense to earn the extra profit does it no? Really? Dude, go back and read what you wrote. You are making an assumption based on ZERO evidence and in fact there is evidence to the contrary that refutes your assumption fairly handily. So either you're just too ignorant to understand the simple evidence in front of you or you are maliciously posting false information. If the former, you should not be posting (yet you are, so you're wrong) or you are just an asshole. In either case, that makes you an asshole for posting about things you have no qualifications to comment on or ability to understand or you're just posting to be an asshole. Quote I claimed that you were somehow selling shares- Yeah I fucked up big time there. Reading comprehension failure- I didnt read the thread, I was linked into it, So i'd say that this is a moot failure on my part Yeah, you did. So you wonder why you get an insulting response? Really? That's my point, you didn't read the thread and then you went on to make accusations and comment on something you knew absolutely nothing about. That hardly makes it moot, as that's the entire premise of your argument. Then there's this little gem: Quote BFL's COO/CFO/CEO/Guy spearheading the company is a Convicted Fraudster. Get a refund ASAP! This just makes you a lying asshole. Case closed. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Xian01 on July 27, 2013, 08:12:31 PM People like Jackrabiit, Xian, Jordan, etc... cost more money to retain as customers than they generate in revenue, so they are a net loss and need to go, go go! Logic failure. You no longer have the money we loaned you, destroyed any loyalty, have earned the scorn of a significant portion of this community (your potential customers, I might add), and we're still here talking as we always have, shining the light on your behavior and your companies tribulations, and informing the newbies of your history where needed. You have accomplished nothing by "firing us" other than creating more ill-will with a community rather than turning our negative experiences around into a positive for your company, and have ensured that the "malcontents" will continue to underline your poor behavior on principle. Your attempts to shut us up have failed. Miserably. How exactly is firing us helping you generate more revenue ? Nothing has changed except you've pissed a lot more people off on these forums, and the flood of negativity towards your company is beginning to reach a fevered pitch on both these forums and your own. Do you fail to see this ? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Fiyasko on July 27, 2013, 10:02:26 PM I claimed that you were somehow selling shares- Yeah I fucked up big time there. Reading comprehension failure- I didnt read the thread, I was linked into it, So i'd say that this is a moot failure on my part Yeah, you did. So you wonder why you get an insulting response? Really? That's my point, you didn't read the thread and then you went on to make accusations and comment on something you knew absolutely nothing about. That hardly makes it moot, as that's the entire premise of your argument. Then there's this little gem: Quote BFL's COO/CFO/CEO/Guy spearheading the company is a Convicted Fraudster. Get a refund ASAP! This just makes you a lying asshole. Case closed. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on July 28, 2013, 12:08:34 AM No, I throw out insults because you're a a liar, get it straight! I don't care about your spelling or grammatical errors, but they just serve to illustrate what an idiot you are. Inaba, I only just recently got into the bitcointalk forums, even though I've been mining for a long time. I have to say I'm seriously confused about why you're acting this way. Presumably you'd like to sell your chips and continue to sell miners, right? You're coming across as incredibly childish and immature here. All you have to do to shut up all your critics is deliver, if you get your chips and your miners out there and they'll have nothing to say. If I were looking to buy ASICs in bulk, I'd have serious reservations as it is - and there are a number of very credible competitors out there at this point. If you're acting this way on forums it doesn't instill a lot of confidence in your company at all. Obviously I don't know the history - and clearly it goes back a long way with certain people. But if you come in here and insult people, but then don't answer the pertinent questions people ask it does look bad. Also, I think you should at least try to be more understanding with some of your angry customers. I know delays happen with electronics, and normally it isn't that big of a deal. But if you'd delivered what you promised on time a lot of these people might be rich now. With every day they don't have their product, they see that wealth slipping through their fingers. I have to say I don't really get it. You'll probably want to go back and read previous threads to catch up, then. Lots of people similar to Jackrabiit like to make up lies and misinformation to smear BFL because they like the attention. I'm not here as a BFL rep, so you get my opinion of the post content or the person posting, not BFL's. The signal to noise on this forum is so out of whack, it's completely immaterial what happens here - this subforum is no longer relevant as far as business goes, as there is simply no way to separate the BS from the truth with people like PG, Jackrabiit, et al posting completely false information over and over in an attempt to confuse everyone because I hurt their wittle feewings. So to answer your question, no we do not want to sell miners or chips to people who are more trouble than they are worth as far as customers go. People like Jackrabiit, Xian, Jordan, etc... cost more money to retain as customers than they generate in revenue, so they are a net loss and need to go, go go! I'm very understanding with angry customers. I am not understanding with non-customers who make up false information or even customers who continually lie over and over in an attempt to get others to cancel their orders because they think it will make their orders more valuable, or simply for grins. If you want adult conversation and not a bunch of children bitching and moaning about how sad they are and acting like a bunch of mentally handicapped emo-teens, I suggest the BFL forums (https://forums.butterflylabs.com), where the riff-raff and trolls are kept at bay fairly well. I'm glad I got the chance to quote this post before its disappearance. Josh said... Quote I'm not here as a BFL rep, so you get my opinion of the post content or the person posting, not BFL's. This is exactly what he meant when he posted under the username BFL_Josh stating that when he posts under that account, it's BFL related, whereupon posting under the username Inaba, it is not BFL related. Therefore, each time from that point forward to today, each time Inaba posted in the capacity of BFL he was in effect lying, for he knew full well that he couldn't do such according to his own omission then, reiterating now. Josh said... Quote The signal to noise on this forum is so out of whack, it's completely immaterial what happens here - this subforum is no longer relevant as far as business goes,... And this, my friends, is where I drew the line, and started to stick it up Josh's and BFL's ass every motherfuckin' time I can. This, and his "monumental assholes" post really gets my goat (apologies to Goat). Here we have not one, but two examples--Josh and BFL--coming to this very forum, humbly introducing themselves, playing nice, then for doing such, start garnering funds in a professional manner. But once the cocksuckers... Let me rephrase that! Once the COCKSUCKERS got a little bit ahead of the game (read financially), they opted to stick it up the very asses of those who were kind enough to order from them. No where else... I repeat... NO MOTHERFUCKIN' WHERE ELSE on the entire internet would they been able to sell even 1% of their services and produces. Only on BitcoinTalk! Later, yes, due to the efforts or a slew of their customer base getting the word out in the wild. Once they received millions--READ MILLIONS--in their once empty coffers, we--READ ALL OF US--were nothing more than MONUMENTAL ASSHOLES. Money left the hands from those who many probably had to do without for a spell and entered the hands of a felon who just got outta prison so that he could then provide handsomely for his wife/girlfriend and new baby. He got his, as Sonny always has in the past made sure that he did, now fuck yous! You'll get your unit if and when they get around to it, and not one second sooner, for he clearly doesn't have any time for monumental assholes. In one of the two posts Sonny was kind enough to provide on this lovely forum, he stated that he's changed. I've yet to see a single instance of that change, in fact I've seen the opposite--the same ol' Sonny operating in exactly the same ol' fashion he did when he fleeced millions from the elderly. It takes one sick bastard to be able to pull that off, and the mind doesn't cure itself while sitting in an Italian jail cell, nor in a US cell with a dick up one's ass. Do you think for one motherfuckin' second Sonny embraced Bitcoin for the betterment of the world, or do you believe he saw an opportunity to once again fleece people, this time mainly geeks, thinking incorrectly that not only do they deserve it, but he could possible get away with it. He saw firsthand what Tom Williams did and couldn't stand it. Sonny Vleisides, the bastard child of James Ray Houston, could do better. All he needed was a team, one easily found on the internet. To this day, Sonny jacks off in rewarding himself in finding Josh. What were the odds that the man-boy he dreamt about hoping to procure was located directly across the street from the address BF Labs Inc. was using in Kansas City? Q couldn't have been able to predict that. In closing, a simple question, Josh: What is your shoe size? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Xian01 on July 28, 2013, 12:35:26 AM Josh said... Quote The signal to noise on this forum is so out of whack, it's completely immaterial what happens here - this subforum is no longer relevant as far as business goes,... This is the statement that was the catalyst for blowing up on Josh and having him punitively cancel my ASIC orders. I was a former customer of Butterfly Labs after discovering them on these very forums. Gave them over $5000 USD of my money for product. For him to question the relevancy of these very forums when it was responsible for a significant amount of exposure and advertising, points to a self-destructive pathology and a dangerously myopic view of public relations. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Syke on July 28, 2013, 01:02:32 AM I'm not here as a BFL rep Sure you are. You even bid for advertising here. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=259554.msg2777728#msg2777728 Quote 7 @ 3.75 Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: joeventura on July 28, 2013, 01:08:12 AM no we do not want to sell miners or chips to people who are more trouble than they are worth as far as customers go. THERE IT IS FOLKS! We want customers who give us their money and let us use it for 13+ months and when we eventually deliver them their useless paperweight they shut the fuck up and be happy they MAY have a chance to get their money back and nothing else. Get your resume' polished Josh, once the last unit is delivered all that is left is the lawsuits and the layoffs. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: joeventura on July 28, 2013, 01:10:10 AM Josh said... Quote The signal to noise on this forum is so out of whack, it's completely immaterial what happens here - this subforum is no longer relevant as far as business goes,... This is the statement that was the catalyst for blowing up on Josh and having him punitively cancel my ASIC orders. You are lucky! Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on July 28, 2013, 01:13:02 AM I'm not here as a BFL rep Sure you are. You even bid for advertising here. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=259554.msg2777728#msg2777728 Quote 7 @ 3.75 I, too, Syke, once pointed out this very fact not too long ago. You can easily multiply that post by 100 posts similar to it, for there were close to 100 rounds to date with Inaba putting in multiple bids in many of the threads. no we do not want to sell miners or chips to people who are more trouble than they are worth as far as customers go. THERE IT IS FOLKS! We want customers who give us their money and let us use it for 13+ months and when we eventually deliver them their useless paperweight they shut the fuck up and be happy they MAY have a chance to get their money back and nothing else. Get your resume' polished Josh, once the last unit is delivered all that is left is the lawsuits and the layoffs. I don't think Josh has to worry about future employment, even if he's not sitting in some jail cell with a juicy black dick up his ass. The fact of the matter is he's probably networked with enough people possessing the same elk, he'll have no problem finding future kneeling positions, and I don't mean of the Amen kind, albeit Amen! will be the mantra stemming from the dude not kneeling. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Xian01 on July 28, 2013, 06:22:45 AM Josh said... This is the statement that was the catalyst for blowing up on Josh and having him punitively cancel my ASIC orders.Quote The signal to noise on this forum is so out of whack, it's completely immaterial what happens here - this subforum is no longer relevant as far as business goes,... You said it. I didn't see it that way at the time, but in retrospect, he did me a huge favor by forcing the refund on me now that people can't get one. I look forward to following the growing snowball of scrutiny that's headed their way. I suspect things are going to be get pretty interesting this upcoming Fall and Winter season. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Syke on July 30, 2013, 09:18:06 PM 7 @ 2.75 Oh, look, Josh (who is "not a BFL rep") is bidding on advertising again. I wonder who for? I bet it's for a bASIC ad this time. Who do you think he's advertising for? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Ytterbium on July 30, 2013, 09:25:41 PM You said it. I didn't see it that way at the time, but in retrospect, he did me a huge favor by forcing the refund on me now that people can't get one. I look forward to following the growing snowball of scrutiny that's headed their way. I suspect things are going to be get pretty interesting this upcoming Fall and Winter season. Heh. Did you use the money for a per-order somewhere else or have you given up on that? My guess is that a KnC pre-order would probably show up before you ended up getting your BFL. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Inaba on July 30, 2013, 09:32:36 PM Ask him how his lawsuit turned out, Ytterbium. Haha.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Xian01 on July 30, 2013, 09:37:09 PM Ask him how his lawsuit turned out, Ytterbium. Haha. Wouldn't you like to know ? Amusing turn of events with you posing this question. Thank you very much for this quote. *hugs and cuddles* Ytterbium: More than doubled my BTC value in ASICMiner share investments so far, have invested in ASICMiner hardware that is hashing right now, as well as making a sizeable investment in community K16 projects, to answer your question. It would have been nice to be able to support Butterfly Labs as well. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: joeventura on August 08, 2013, 11:32:00 PM You guys try so hard and fail at every attempt. Does it suck to be such failure, or is it just "normal" for you and you don't know any other method of operation? Do you lurch from one failure to another, wondering why the world is out to get you? I've always wondered what it's like to be bad at everything you do, unable to succeed at anything. It's actually pretty funny, keep it up! Teaser for an autobiography?? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: JungleBook on October 30, 2013, 01:39:44 AM Butterfly Labs Customer? Please review your buying Experience with this company.Thank you
http://www.bitcoinsniper.com/asic-miners/butterfly-labs/ Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Bicknellski on October 31, 2013, 04:15:39 PM Butterfly Labs Customer? Please review your buying Experience with this company.Thank you http://www.bitcoinsniper.com/asic-miners/butterfly-labs/ THIS BUSINESS IS NOT BBB ACCREDITED BF Labs, Inc. Phone: (913) 710-4865 10770 El Monte St Ste 101, Overland Park, KS 66211 http://butterflylabs.com On a scale of A+ to F F The business failed to resolve the complaint issues (1 complaint) 10/17/2013 Problems with Product/Service BBB was unable to locate business to process complaint (1 complaint) 7/25/2013 Delivery Issues BBB did not receive a response from business (2 complaints) 10/25/2013 Delivery Issues 10/22/2013 Problems with Product/Service http://www.bbb.org/kansas-city/Business-Reviews/electronic-equipment-and-supplies-wholesale-and-manufacturers/bf-labs-inc-in-overland-park-ks-1000002011/complaints#breakdown (http://www.bbb.org/kansas-city/Business-Reviews/electronic-equipment-and-supplies-wholesale-and-manufacturers/bf-labs-inc-in-overland-park-ks-1000002011/complaints#breakdown) Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: reactor on October 31, 2013, 05:45:53 PM Uh, BBB is more or less a scam. They are a for-profit business that businesses need to pay to get the top rating. If they get enough complaints they drop their fictional rating for a business, but on the flipside they sometimes have stunning ratings for horrible businesses. Kinda like Thermos & bitcointalk, money talks (but apparently doesn't buy decent security).
It's like assuming the US Chamber of Commerce is official and taking it at face value - it's actually a gigantic conservative lobbying group, pushing their interests and not really in favor of fair and honest commerce. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Bicknellski on May 18, 2014, 08:11:02 AM Where are the Monarchs?
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Bicknellski on June 09, 2014, 04:57:35 PM Before posting, please make sure you read these subforum guidelines (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139380.0). The prior history (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139375.0) of this thread was split off after it devolved into more noise than signal. BFL ASIC Status (link provided by SLoK) https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html) Upon reflection? Not enough noise apparently in 2014 people are still getting scammed. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: 7montana7 on November 13, 2014, 02:35:20 PM Butterfly Labs not distribute in US now, i purchased the Monarch card directly from their manufacturer Shenzen ASIC distribution in China . Comes ok in good packaging
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: dropt on November 13, 2014, 04:26:40 PM Butterfly Labs not distribute in US now, i purchased the Monarch card directly from their manufacturer Shenzen ASIC distribution in China . Comes ok in good packaging Post pictures/proof, because last I knew they weren't made in Shenzen. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Inaba on November 13, 2014, 05:54:56 PM There is no proof because it's not true.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Bicknellski on November 29, 2014, 06:18:20 AM Your claim that BFL is mining with customer equipment and not sending it out is patently ridiculous. Umm woopsie eh Josh? Who was lying? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Inaba on November 29, 2014, 04:20:19 PM You, as usual.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: PuertoLibre on November 29, 2014, 05:14:40 PM Quote from: Josh/Inaba at a recent deposition (under oath) http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.42.19.pdf https://i.imgur.com/sVJUUts.png https://i.imgur.com/MqX74hd.png Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Xian01 on November 29, 2014, 05:49:51 PM You, as usual. But, but, your own statements made at your own deposition prove that we aren't lying. How is it that we are lying again, Josh ? We are using your own words to prove that you have to been the one lying all along. One could demonstrably make reasoned arguments that you lied (misspoke ?) during your deposition under oath. When asked how we have lied, you resort to base attacks and ad homonyms in an effort to deflect and avoid answering pointed queries. Can you please help us work through this apparent logical disconnect so that we can better understand your perspective ? http://ia802308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.42.19.pdf http://ia802308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.42.20.pdf #blahletteragenciesblahblah Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Syke on November 29, 2014, 08:28:46 PM You, as usual. So answer the question. What date did BFL start mining on live-net as a "test procedure"? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: opieum2 on November 29, 2014, 08:56:05 PM lol Josh Zerlan is a delusional scumbag. Trying to salvage his already ruined reputation. All he can hope for is a job flipping burgers after this.
"Josh Zerlan Thief" "Josh Zerlan BFL" Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: smoothie on November 29, 2014, 11:08:27 PM Your claim that BFL is mining with customer equipment and not sending it out is patently ridiculous. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Unacceptable on November 30, 2014, 12:03:23 AM Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Inaba on November 30, 2014, 12:22:21 AM Sounds like Xian is. Not sure why he sent me that bag of dicks, he must be a fan of them.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: opieum2 on November 30, 2014, 12:32:16 AM Sounds like Xian is. Not sure why he sent me that bag of dicks, he must be a fan of them. http://bitcoin-betting-guide.com/james-cannings-blog/report-melbourne-inside-bitcoin-conference/ Look who looks like a bag of dicks "The low light was Josh Zerlan from Butterfly Labs, who rocked up late, looked like he just rolled out of bed and made multiple factual errors in his mumbling presentation. I’m surprised he was invited after this performance at a previous conference. What a douche! A full list of speakers can be found here." LOL seems like the opinion of who you are you are is pretty universal. You don't get it. You are an idiot. Military intelligence my ass. LMAO you are a huge fucking joke. You are the running joke of the bitcoin community. The dog and pony shows you were part of you had fooled for a while. But everyone is wise to your idiocy. Fact that you even have to come on here to try to defend yourself just shows how pathetic you are. Continue munching down the bag of dicks you butthurt moron. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Inaba on November 30, 2014, 12:34:12 AM Yeah, never mind the fact that I had a 104F fever and strep throat and just got off a 17 hour plane ride. I mean, I'm sure you'd be in great shape at that point as well. I imagine you'd just call in sick and wimp out.
Idiot. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Xian01 on November 30, 2014, 12:58:25 AM Sounds like Xian is. Not sure why he sent me that bag of dicks, he must be a fan of them. You are lying, Josh [1]. As is typical. Please provide proof I sent you a bag of dicks. You want to know why you won't be able to provide proof ? It's because it never happened. Sending you something in meatspace would be improper and probably constitute bona fide harassment; I'd like to think I'm smarter than that, and can say with a straight face I will NEVER, EVER send you ANYTHING on principle in meatspace, nor have I ever. Keep on dreaming your fevered dream, though. [1] http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.42.7.pdf http://ia802308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.42.19.pdf http://ia802308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.42.20.pdf Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Syke on November 30, 2014, 01:14:41 AM Yeah, never mind the fact that I had a 104F fever and strep throat and just got off a 17 hour plane ride. I mean, I'm sure you'd be in great shape at that point as well. I imagine you'd just call in sick and wimp out. Idiot. Fascinating story! So what date did BFL start mining on live-net as a "test procedure"? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: opieum2 on November 30, 2014, 01:29:11 AM Yeah, never mind the fact that I had a 104F fever and strep throat and just got off a 17 hour plane ride. I mean, I'm sure you'd be in great shape at that point as well. I imagine you'd just call in sick and wimp out. Idiot. Lol noone gives a fuck, considering what you have done, I think half the people you fucked over wish you had died of that instead. You are a lying sack of shit with your false military background. Desert Shield? You were 17 at the time that went down. At the very least you would have been in boot camp/A-school at that point in time. You would be a very Jr recruit. So spare us your sympathy bullshit. Continue eating your bag of dicks. Oh and you are also full of shit. 104F fever would have involved certain physical signs like the profuse sweating that in that photo you clearly do not have not to mention the brain cooking temps that go with that level of fever. So again you are full of shit again. My guess you must have been doing some serious drugs the night before. Little fact about your so-called fever: Low-grade fevers range from about 100 F-101 F while high-grade fevers range from about 103 F-104 F. Dangerous temperatures are high-grade fevers that range from over 104 F-107 F or higher (extremely high fevers are also termed hyperpyrexia). The preceding fever values may vary somewhat according to different clinicians and the condition and age of the patient, but they offer a reader a way to judge the terms "low," "high," and "dangerous" when they are used in reference to fever in the medical literature. Those are considered brain cooking temps. You would be in a hospital and no force on earth would allow you to stand. So again spare us the bullshit. The idiot is you for lying and not being able to back it up with anything. EDIT: Josh trying to craft your next lie? Briefly saw you replied, but you opted to delete it and revise and devise your next deceptive words. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: notbatman on November 30, 2014, 02:14:55 AM ... My guess you must have been doing some serious drugs the night before. ... Maybe it was bath-salts from Silk Road, those cause the brain to cook a little. I remember the bath-salt zombie media blitz of 2013 where one woman dropped dead from a cooked brain however, she killed a pitbull by biting to death first. Also this one dude in Florida ate pieces of another guys face after he failed to score. Classic Satanic drug-induced homo-necrotic and necro-bestiality activity. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: opieum2 on November 30, 2014, 02:20:11 AM ... My guess you must have been doing some serious drugs the night before. ... Maybe it was bath-salts from Silk Road, those cause the brain to cook a little. I remember the bath-salt zombie media blitz of 2013 where one woman dropped dead from a cooked brain however, she killed a pitbull by biting to death first. Also this one dude in Florida ate pieces of another guys face after he failed to score. Classic Satanic drug-induced homo-necrotic and necro-bestiality activity. Maybe it has a previously undocumented case of ripping off customers and mining with their hardware as well. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: notbatman on November 30, 2014, 02:55:30 AM ... My guess you must have been doing some serious drugs the night before. ... Maybe it was bath-salts from Silk Road, those cause the brain to cook a little. I remember the bath-salt zombie media blitz of 2013 where one woman dropped dead from a cooked brain however, she killed a pitbull by biting to death first. Also this one dude in Florida ate pieces of another guys face after he failed to score. Classic Satanic drug-induced homo-necrotic and necro-bestiality activity. Maybe it has a previously undocumented case of ripping off customers and mining with their hardware as well. Some customers have been robbed of millions worth crypto-mining revenue, I'm surprised he's as healthy as he his. Money to support a family, money to buy a house, money to buy nice cars. A million bucks buys a lot of dreams. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: opieum2 on November 30, 2014, 03:03:51 AM ... My guess you must have been doing some serious drugs the night before. ... Maybe it was bath-salts from Silk Road, those cause the brain to cook a little. I remember the bath-salt zombie media blitz of 2013 where one woman dropped dead from a cooked brain however, she killed a pitbull by biting to death first. Also this one dude in Florida ate pieces of another guys face after he failed to score. Classic Satanic drug-induced homo-necrotic and necro-bestiality activity. Maybe it has a previously undocumented case of ripping off customers and mining with their hardware as well. Some customers have been robbed of millions worth crypto-mining revenue, I'm surprised he's as healthy as he his. Money to support a family, money to buy a house, money to buy nice cars. A million bucks buys a lot of dreams. Millions stolen crushes the dreams of others. Considering that BFL was started on 8k and funded on pre-orders money that makes every person who paid for a pre-order an investor. After the FTC is done it will be the SEC's turn for securities fraud. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Flying Hellfish on November 30, 2014, 01:43:52 PM ... My guess you must have been doing some serious drugs the night before. ... Maybe it was bath-salts from Silk Road, those cause the brain to cook a little. I remember the bath-salt zombie media blitz of 2013 where one woman dropped dead from a cooked brain however, she killed a pitbull by biting to death first. Also this one dude in Florida ate pieces of another guys face after he failed to score. Classic Satanic drug-induced homo-necrotic and necro-bestiality activity. Maybe it has a previously undocumented case of ripping off customers and mining with their hardware as well. Some customers have been robbed of millions worth crypto-mining revenue, I'm surprised he's as healthy as he his. Money to support a family, money to buy a house, money to buy nice cars. A million bucks buys a lot of dreams. Millions stolen crushes the dreams of others. Considering that BFL was started on 8k and funded on pre-orders money that makes every person who paid for a pre-order an investor. After the FTC is done it will be the SEC's turn for securities fraud. No it makes every person a victim and unsecured creditor in a fraudulent business that will go into liquidation. It also makes BF LABS INC an undercapitalised corporation which provides a VERY strong avenue for piercing the corp veil (BFL even made claims to contrary as it was a hotly discussed issue at the time). Lots of us talked about it before BFL started shipping 65nm line and that if BFL was doing that it was a BIG gamble and not very smart). Even though they probably don't actually need the undercap avenue since once they prove fraud all bets for LLC protection are gone. The SEC is not getting involved with BFL, this is consumer white collar fraud. Possible mail/wire fraud, money laundering, deceptive business practices, misuse of corp money, stealing from customers, parole violations. The list goes on but none of them involve stuff the SEC would deal with mate. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Gleb Gamow on November 30, 2014, 03:28:12 PM ... My guess you must have been doing some serious drugs the night before. ... Maybe it was bath-salts from Silk Road, those cause the brain to cook a little. I remember the bath-salt zombie media blitz of 2013 where one woman dropped dead from a cooked brain however, she killed a pitbull by biting to death first. Also this one dude in Florida ate pieces of another guys face after he failed to score. Classic Satanic drug-induced homo-necrotic and necro-bestiality activity. Maybe it has a previously undocumented case of ripping off customers and mining with their hardware as well. Some customers have been robbed of millions worth crypto-mining revenue, I'm surprised he's as healthy as he his. Money to support a family, money to buy a house, money to buy nice cars. A million bucks buys a lot of dreams. Millions stolen crushes the dreams of others. Considering that BFL was started on 8k and funded on pre-orders money that makes every person who paid for a pre-order an investor. After the FTC is done it will be the SEC's turn for securities fraud. No it makes every person a victim and unsecured creditor in a fraudulent business that will go into liquidation. It also makes BF LABS INC an undercapitalised corporation which provides a VERY strong avenue for piercing the corp veil (BFL even made claims to contrary as it was a hotly discussed issue at the time). Lots of us talked about it before BFL started shipping 65nm line and that if BFL was doing that it was a BIG gamble and not very smart). Even though they probably don't actually need the undercap avenue since once they prove fraud all bets for LLC protection are gone. The SEC is not getting involved with BFL, this is consumer white collar fraud. Possible mail/wire fraud, money laundering, deceptive business practices, misuse of corp money, stealing from customers, parole violations. The list goes on but none of them involve stuff the SEC would deal with mate. Josh's GLBSE's dealings come to mind. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: opieum2 on November 30, 2014, 03:55:48 PM Regardless there are other things going for them that will involve criminal liability for them.
... My guess you must have been doing some serious drugs the night before. ... Maybe it was bath-salts from Silk Road, those cause the brain to cook a little. I remember the bath-salt zombie media blitz of 2013 where one woman dropped dead from a cooked brain however, she killed a pitbull by biting to death first. Also this one dude in Florida ate pieces of another guys face after he failed to score. Classic Satanic drug-induced homo-necrotic and necro-bestiality activity. Maybe it has a previously undocumented case of ripping off customers and mining with their hardware as well. Some customers have been robbed of millions worth crypto-mining revenue, I'm surprised he's as healthy as he his. Money to support a family, money to buy a house, money to buy nice cars. A million bucks buys a lot of dreams. Millions stolen crushes the dreams of others. Considering that BFL was started on 8k and funded on pre-orders money that makes every person who paid for a pre-order an investor. After the FTC is done it will be the SEC's turn for securities fraud. No it makes every person a victim and unsecured creditor in a fraudulent business that will go into liquidation. It also makes BF LABS INC an undercapitalised corporation which provides a VERY strong avenue for piercing the corp veil (BFL even made claims to contrary as it was a hotly discussed issue at the time). Lots of us talked about it before BFL started shipping 65nm line and that if BFL was doing that it was a BIG gamble and not very smart). Even though they probably don't actually need the undercap avenue since once they prove fraud all bets for LLC protection are gone. The SEC is not getting involved with BFL, this is consumer white collar fraud. Possible mail/wire fraud, money laundering, deceptive business practices, misuse of corp money, stealing from customers, parole violations. The list goes on but none of them involve stuff the SEC would deal with mate. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Flying Hellfish on December 01, 2014, 12:09:18 AM Regardless there are other things going for them that will involve criminal liability for them. Almost certainly true, it is difficult to imagine other agencies not coming in for round two. What is amusing somewhat is that the FTC shit is going to feel like fun time to BFL when round two starts. In all probability it only gets worse from here for a lot of people involved with the scam. My only point was the SEC is unlikely to weigh in on BFL. Josh's GLBSE's dealings come to mind. That's Josh not BFL, the post I quoted mention the SEC coming after BFL and I think that is extremely unlikely given what we know now. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Xian01 on December 01, 2014, 02:16:23 AM LOL Sounds like Xian is. Not sure why he sent me that bag of dicks, he must be a fan of them. Nostalgia time. I took this picture. It seemed kind of funny at the time, but now it's just one of those Josh things....like the foam pitchforks. I don't know if anyone has noticed, but there's a boxcuttter there with a note that says "For Dave", meaning Dave "The Knife" McClain. Just a somewhat hidden message there. So that's not a photoshop ? (when I first saw the photo, I thought it was PS'd for some-odd reason) Someone actually sent him some Penis Candy ?That's hysterical. Nope. He bought it because you or someone else....or the entire internet, technically, told him to eat a bag of dicks. Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: TheRealSteve on May 16, 2015, 01:19:22 PM BFL: I know you've pretty much written off this forum - can't blame you, even if it's your own doing - but on the off chance you do still monitor this thread: Please don't be like KnCMiner. Archive your forums and make the wealth of information therein available to your previous customers, even if it's only for a limited time so that mirrors can be kept. The new knowledgebase is undoubtedly a better approach going forward, but it does not - and can never - approach the breadth and depth of information that the old forums offered, and archive.org is a stop-gap measure at best.
Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Gleb Gamow on May 17, 2015, 05:10:14 AM BFL: I know you've pretty much written off this forum - can't blame you, even if it's your own doing - but on the off chance you do still monitor this thread: Please don't be like KnCMiner. Archive your forums and make the wealth of information therein available to your previous customers, even if it's only for a limited time so that mirrors can be kept. The new knowledgebase is undoubtedly a better approach going forward, but it does not - and can never - approach the breadth and depth of information that the old forums offered, and archive.org is a stop-gap measure at best. Does anybody have TheRealSteve's vitals by chance? I want to sue his ass for making me laugh so fuckin' hard, for I think I busted a blood vessel to what's that thing located attached to the neck? Title: Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs Post by: Bicknellski on May 17, 2015, 05:27:54 AM I think if anyone wants that data they would have to compile it and post without BFL help.
Where are all the BFL tech support people, non-employees, who used to have a direct line into the BFL and had product before the customers so amazingly that you would have thought they were part of the BFL fold right? At this point those people have gone dark and I wonder why that is the case? Where did LIGHTFOOT go? Truly amazing that as soon as the veil was finally lifted on the fraud these great community supporters of BFL just went POOF. One can speculate why and it was a cozy relationship given that Bruce, SLok, and others frequently discussed the Monarch in the thread I have quoted below. Lots of data was coming directly from Lightfoot from some sources inside BFL obviously. Well, the 300gh unit is back up and running, but with a slightly higher error count than normal. 15%, normally I see 2-5%. It's also a tiny bit slower, 280 or so instead of 300. Most of the errors are on the front chip but it's purring along and mining for the owner. The two 700's are a different pair: One of them is running with one of it's two chips normal, the other 100% errors. Checking the FETs I see the voltage is a lot lower on that side; either the whole chip is toast or all of the FETs on that side are damaged. Or a *low* side FET failed, but that would create a hell of a hot spot. I may hook it up to the scope this weekend to see if the gates are all smooth or if one channel is odd (pointing to an intermittent FET). The second one is dead. Removing the FETs I found that the PCB under the FET itself was burned in two places on both sides. Nothing spectacular, just a <1mm pad had vaporized under the FET. Result is I can't put a new one on, I did a quick try swapping in 17506 FETs but they can't hold 350gh a side without blowing up. They can hold 250, so I may rebuild this one as a 500gh unit. Or I will have them RMAed with BFL. The water blocks on all of them share a common thread: Leaks or serious weirdness in the front block. I haven't see this on other units and the guy has other Monarchs that are fine. This miht just be a case where a bad batch of cooling blocks leaked over time, which then caused the chips to overheat with spectacular power draws and interesting results. The 300 held because when it heated up the damage was minor. On the 700's one knocked out a side, and the other ran till the FETs failed hard. Not unbelievable. Interesting. Well, I'll try replacing the FETs on the left side this weekend to bring the one unit back to normal, and will then try lower speed FETs on the other one and drop the voltage to the point where it will run at 500 or so. That should do it. In any event since I am experimenting at this point on my own time, flag, and dollar I will stand behind my work personally: If I have to donate a SP20 (same 1.7th) to make things right I'll do that. |
