BFL Labs ASIC release date - no earlier than February 2013

[ice_chill]

Hi guys, I basically had a prophetic dream vision last night, that the BFL Labs ASIC won't be shipped until February 2013 at best.

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[joshv06]

Hi guys, I basically had a prophetic dream vision last night, that the BFL Labs ASIC won't be shipped until February 2013 at best.

I don't even want them to ship, they're gonna ruin Bitcoins. I spent ~2000$ on quad 7970's, only the cards, and they're planning to release a "coffee warmer" 3ghs+ ASIC that does more than my cards for 150$? Eff that, difficulty will skyrocket and put a strain on video card miners.

[MXRider]

I just got a call from BFL. They said that the whole ASIC is pure BS. ****y said that whole announcement was to scare competitors and get all the money from miners. I also asked whether they are going to run with the money or someday develop an ASIC. Didn't get a proper answer. Something about Tahiti.. maybe he meant 7970s?

[KyleH]

You people are morons......... enough said.

[Nachtwind]

Well.. just boild it down to MH/W..

Their announced Stats wont work.

[Gabi]

Hi guys, I basically had a prophetic dream vision last night, that the BFL Labs ASIC won't be shipped until February 2013 at best.

I don't even want them to ship, they're gonna ruin Bitcoins. I spent ~2000$ on quad 7970's, only the cards, and they're planning to release a "coffee warmer" 3ghs+ ASIC that does more than my cards for 150$? Eff that, difficulty will skyrocket and put a strain on video card miners.

Delicious tears

No, it won't ruin "Bitcoins"
It will ruin your fail investment, only that. And you deserve that.

Bitcoin will only gain from ASICs

[-ck]

Hi guys, I basically had a prophetic dream vision last night, that the BFL Labs ASIC won't be shipped until February 2013 at best.

I don't even want them to ship, they're gonna ruin Bitcoins. I spent ~2000$ on quad 7970's, only the cards, and they're planning to release a "coffee warmer" 3ghs+ ASIC that does more than my cards for 150$? Eff that, difficulty will skyrocket and put a strain on video card miners.

Delicious tears

No, it won't ruin "Bitcoins"
It will ruin your fail investment, only that. And you deserve that.

Bitcoin will only gain from ASICs

The 7970s will still be worth a LOT if you sell them, and there is no hard timeframe for this vapourware at this stage, so you're in no danger.

[AzN1337c0d3r]

It's already "ruining" bitcoin. Notice the large influx of sales of 5970 in the Computer Hardware forum recently? Miners are dumping their video cards for BFL Singles which they hope to eventually convert to ASIC I bet.

[MrTeal]

Think BFL won't be able to deliver this year? Bet no in the betsofbitco.in statement in my sig.

[crazyates]

It's already "ruining" bitcoin. Notice the large influx of sales of 5970 in the Computer Hardware forum recently? Miners are dumping their video cards for BFL Singles which they hope to eventually convert to ASIC I bet.

Singles have always gone for high prices, even before the trade it was announced. Also, 5970s are getting upwards of 2 years old, and they're still selling for $350. Why are they selling for so much? Because people are still going to mine on them.

[bitlane]

I just got a call from BFL. They said that the whole ASIC is pure BS. ****y said that whole announcement was to scare competitors and get all the money from miners. I also asked whether they are going to run with the money or someday develop an ASIC. Didn't get a proper answer. Something about Tahiti.. maybe he meant 7970s?

I can confirm that. I just got off the phone with them and got a similar response....

[mem]

Hi guys, Im a billionaire investor (like richard branson only richer and hung better).

I decided to pre order 666 ASICS so I hopped in my personal jet and flew over to meet them all in person.
Their factory is amazing, their products look great.

yes they make their own chips, Sonny uses his powers of ESP to manipulate the atoms into place. The only thing second hand is the atoms

I just thought Id let you all know this so you can rest easy knowing that an internet person has said its legit.
Ask me anything so I can reassure you about BFL.

Thats my word as an Internet billionaire and someone who has personal flown to BFL labs and invested heavily.
If I can trust them with 666*25k you can trust them with anything.

[KyleH]

You guys sound more like 12 year old girls on their period. Give me a fucking break. If you don't like them then don't buy their shit. YOU people are the ones trolling, get out of your parents basement and do something for your own miserable existence rather than shit on and try to tear down people who are actually making progress with their own goals and ambitions in life. If you could sit in my seat and read this miserable shit you write maybe you would see how pathetically lame you really are.

[Unacceptable]

You guys sound more like 12 year old girls on their period. Give me a fucking break. If you don't like them then don't buy their shit. YOU people are the ones trolling, get out of your parents basement and do something for your own miserable existence rather than shit on and try to tear down people who are actually making progress with their own goals and ambitions in life. If you could sit in my seat and read this miserable shit you write maybe you would see how pathetically lame you really are.

+1

I thought this was a mature community,I guess not.

I work with recovering drug addicts & alcoholics.They can piss & moan like little kids to get thier way(a reason to drink or drug).

But alot you folks make them look like angels..........

I don't agree with the way BFL handles thier shipping times(or the failed troll in Enterpoints thread),but thier FPGA's CANNOT be beat for ROI.I hope they come out soon with the ASIC's,at least I can trade my FPGA's in for them 

Will ANY other FPGA seller offer to buy back thier equipment  ?

Flame on whiners.....................................................

[Serenata]

Hi guys, I basically had a prophetic dream vision last night, that the BFL Labs ASIC won't be shipped until February 2013 at best.

I don't even want them to ship, they're gonna ruin Bitcoins. I spent ~2000$ on quad 7970's, only the cards, and they're planning to release a "coffee warmer" 3ghs+ ASIC that does more than my cards for 150$? Eff that, difficulty will skyrocket and put a strain on video card miners.

Delicious tears

No, it won't ruin "Bitcoins"
It will ruin your fail investment, only that. And you deserve that.

Bitcoin will only gain from ASICs

The 7970s will still be worth a LOT if you sell them, and there is no hard timeframe for this vapourware at this stage, so you're in no danger.

+1
GPUs can and will be reused for something else. If people are selling their GPUs to get FPGAs, then it's a good time to get some cheap GPUs and keep them until the reward halves, or the ASICs are out (not this year I guess), or it's not profitable any longer to run them. Buying and selling (probably) at the same price is a win/win deal in ROI terms.

[MXRider]

If KyleH and Unacceptable had been around long enough they would know that we are just playing. Looks like they have no idea about the drama that surrounds BFL.

So KyleH, how many BFL products do you have? How many GPUs do you have?

Unacceptable, you can continue your real life work. Better not come here anymore 'cause this forum is soooo lame.

[Unacceptable]

If KyleH and Unacceptable had been around long enough they would know that we are just playing. Looks like they have no idea about the drama that surrounds BFL.

So KyleH, how many BFL products do you have? How many GPUs do you have?

Unacceptable, you can continue your real life work. Better not come here anymore 'cause this forum is soooo lame.

Your funny little man 

It's not the forum thats lame,it's folks like yourself that are................ whining & crying

I've been here since last june,2 gh/s mining with one BFL single recently added,so there na na na naaaaa na 

[hardpick]

Hi guys, I basically had a prophetic dream vision last night, that the BFL Labs ASIC won't be shipped until February 2013 at best.

Most people dream about fast cars or hot chicks  --- anyway I think your dream is wrong more like June 2013 before they ship

[rjk]

Hi guys, I basically had a prophetic dream vision last night, that the BFL Labs ASIC won't be shipped until February 2013 at best.

Most people dream about fast cars or hot chicks  --- anyway I think your dream is wrong more like June 2013 before they ship

Place your bets! http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=447 and http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=446

[punningclan]

Hi guys, I basically had a prophetic dream vision last night, that the BFL Labs ASIC won't be shipped until February 2013 at best.

I don't even want them to ship, they're gonna ruin Bitcoins. I spent ~2000$ on quad 7970's, only the cards, and they're planning to release a "coffee warmer" 3ghs+ ASIC that does more than my cards for 150$? Eff that, difficulty will skyrocket and put a strain on video card miners.

GPUs will still always be better for warming my house though?  

[punningclan]

Hi guys, I basically had a prophetic dream vision last night, that the BFL Labs ASIC won't be shipped until February 2013 at best.

So it wasn't one of the more expensive "actual" prophetic visions?

[bulanula]

I don't understand.

Maybe you are trolling.

On website is says October.

Even with delays I will expect them to ship before Dec / just when reward halvs so

[ice_chill]

They don't have the actual wafer, just a simulation. ASICs are very complicated and sometimes require several re-spins to get right. Even CPU/GPU manufacturers with years of experience end up having to do re-spins on newly released products, such re-spins are called steppings, or require firmware updates to take care of Erratas.
With ASIC it's difficult to fix with firmware update so a re-spin is usually required.

The BFL FPGA only had a custom power phase design from BFL and on the first attempt they didn't get this right (as they said the simulation showed a power consumption of 20w when it turned out to be 80w so power circuitry had to be redesigned)

Right now they are designing an ASIC without prior experience in designing such things (the FPGA chip is off the shelf product so they can't call it their own)

[bulanula]

They don't have the actual wafer, just a simulation. ASICs are very complicated and sometimes require several re-spins to get right. Even CPU/GPU manufacturers with years of experience end up having to do re-spins on newly released products, such re-spins are called steppings, or require firmware updates to take care of Erratas.
With ASIC it's difficult to fix with firmware update so a re-spin is usually required.

The BFL FPGA only had a custom power phase design from BFL and on the first attempt they didn't get this right (as they said the simulation showed a power consumption of 20w when it turned out to be 80w so power circuitry had to be redesigned)

Right now they are designing an ASIC without prior experience in designing such things (the FPGA chip is off the shelf product so they can't call it their own)

You do realise that a double SHA256 ASIC is dead simple to do compared to AMD GPU or Intel CPU right ?

How do you know they have not been working on this since they released the Singles back in January

My point is ASIC is coming sooner than we think ...

[MrTeal]

I'd be surprised if BFL really pushed the limits of whatever process they're making the ASICs on. AMD and NVIDIA are generally running on new processes that aren't well characterized, and ignore the DRC that TMSC gives them in order to make their designs smaller and faster. Barring any actual logical errors, they would likely be okay. If they do have logic errors that would require a respin, I can't imagine the company surviving.

[Syke]

My point is ASIC is coming sooner than we think ...

BFL is still trying to get the minirig out the door. If the ASIC was so close to being done it would be a waste of effort building new FPGA systems.

[P4man]

I'd be surprised if BFL really pushed the limits of whatever process they're making the ASICs on. AMD and NVIDIA are generally running on new processes that aren't well characterized, and ignore the DRC that TMSC gives them in order to make their designs smaller and faster. Barring any actual logical errors, they would likely be okay. If they do have logic errors that would require a respin, I can't imagine the company surviving.

This. Its also worth pointing out, that as far as asic designs go, a bitcoin miner would be about as simple as it gets. 

[Boussac]

Does anyone know about the forecast power consumption of the BitForce SC 40 GH/s ? I could not find it on the BFL web site ..

[bulanula]

Does anyone know about the forecast power consumption of the BitForce SC 40 GH/s ? I could not find it on the BFL web site ..

750W

[crazyates]

Does anyone know about the forecast power consumption of the BitForce SC 40 GH/s ? I could not find it on the BFL web site ..

Should be about the same as the current Single.

[crazyates]

Does anyone know about the forecast power consumption of the BitForce SC 40 GH/s ? I could not find it on the BFL web site ..

750W

Estimates for the 1TH SC MR are @ 750W. He's asking about the 40GH SC Single.

[bulanula]

Does anyone know about the forecast power consumption of the BitForce SC 40 GH/s ? I could not find it on the BFL web site ..

750W

Estimates for the 1TH SC MR are @ 750W. He's asking about the 40GH SC Single.

Realised that. My mistake.

Too bad I can't delete posts.

[Boussac]

Does anyone know about the forecast power consumption of the BitForce SC 40 GH/s ? I could not find it on the BFL web site ..

750W

Estimates for the 1TH SC MR are @ 750W. He's asking about the 40GH SC Single.

Thanks anyway to both you and bunanula, I got my answer.
That's 1333 MH/J, meaning we could run today's entire hashing power of the bitcoin network on 7500 W..

I am growing skeptical.

The last I had heard was 2O MH/J for FPGAs. Where is the truth ?

[crazyates]

Does anyone know about the forecast power consumption of the BitForce SC 40 GH/s ? I could not find it on the BFL web site ..

750W

Estimates for the 1TH SC MR are @ 750W. He's asking about the 40GH SC Single.

Thanks anyway to both you and bunanula, I got my answer.
That's 1333 MH/J, meaning we could run today's entire hashing power of the bitcoin network on 7500 W..

I am growing skeptical.

The last I had heard was 2O MH/J for FPGAs. Where is the truth ?

The current Single is 10MH/W, but is beat in efficiency by others out there - the ModMiner is 42MH/W.

The new Single is 500MH/W. It does sound unreasonable, but I'm waiting to see some actual performance numbers.

[gonella]

do you know the size of BitForce Single ‘SC’?

[GenTarkin]

Even crazier than the diff skyrocketing will be when all these ASIC's are up and running, and something within the protocol will need to be changed and all those ASIC's become useless, bringing power back to GPU & FPGA miners =P
Or btc will die out and a alt currency which employs something different in its algo will also cause BTC ASIC's to become useless. So, hold onto some of your GPU's everyone =)

[crazyates]

Even crazier than the diff skyrocketing will be when all these ASIC's are up and running, and something within the protocol will need to be changed and all those ASIC's become useless, bringing power back to GPU & FPGA miners =P
Or btc will die out and a alt currency which employs something different in its algo will also cause BTC ASIC's to become useless. So, hold onto some of your GPU's everyone =)

People keep saying this, with no understanding of what a "change in the protocol" means. Performing a SHA256 hash is something that will not change.

[Syke]

Even crazier than the diff skyrocketing will be when all these ASIC's are up and running, and something within the protocol will need to be changed and all those ASIC's become useless, bringing power back to GPU & FPGA miners =P
Or btc will die out and a alt currency which employs something different in its algo will also cause BTC ASIC's to become useless. So, hold onto some of your GPU's everyone =)

People keep saying this, with no understanding of what a "change in the protocol" means. Performing a SHA256 hash is something that will not change.

Someday it will change. Hopefully that will be many years in the future. *No* encryption is future-proof.

[crazyates]

Even crazier than the diff skyrocketing will be when all these ASIC's are up and running, and something within the protocol will need to be changed and all those ASIC's become useless, bringing power back to GPU & FPGA miners =P
Or btc will die out and a alt currency which employs something different in its algo will also cause BTC ASIC's to become useless. So, hold onto some of your GPU's everyone =)

People keep saying this, with no understanding of what a "change in the protocol" means. Performing a SHA256 hash is something that will not change.

Someday it will change. Hopefully that will be many years in the future. *No* encryption is future-proof.

I get that, but if it does ever change, it'll prolly be a switch to SHA512. That's the only way I can see an ASIC being outdated.

[DiabloD3]

Even crazier than the diff skyrocketing will be when all these ASIC's are up and running, and something within the protocol will need to be changed and all those ASIC's become useless, bringing power back to GPU & FPGA miners =P
Or btc will die out and a alt currency which employs something different in its algo will also cause BTC ASIC's to become useless. So, hold onto some of your GPU's everyone =)

People keep saying this, with no understanding of what a "change in the protocol" means. Performing a SHA256 hash is something that will not change.

Someday it will change. Hopefully that will be many years in the future. *No* encryption is future-proof.

I get that, but if it does ever change, it'll prolly be a switch to SHA512. That's the only way I can see an ASIC being outdated.

No, SHA3, whichever candidate ends up winning.

[rjk]

Yeah SHA256 and SHA512 are similar enough that breaking one is likely to weaken the other significantly.

[GernMiester]

People who bought 1 Single only likely don't have an extra $700 around. I see many but not all updating due to expense.
Mini rig owners must drop what? 15k after just spending 15k.  Either the bitcoin community is loaded with cash or not.

When they arrive,
ASIC's will have harmed bitcoins by raising the bar for entry from everyman to specialists but only if they get heavily adopted. Buying a $200 video card will make more sense than a $150 USB coffee warmer purchase to the average person.  
The guy with 60GH/s will now wield stuff like 10TH/s because they already have cash, how do you think they bought all those GPU's in the first place.
 
Go ahead mine with you 1500+ watt 3.5GH/s setup or whatever.
3.5 GH/s running off a USB port will crush your ROI Mr. GPU man. The only hope is ASICs flopping or not being super popular.
I have some disposable cash ATM and my Preorder number means at least 500 Jalapeno's have been ordered and everyone knows that we all didn't order just 1 Jalapeno.
Get ready for something like 1.7+TH/s coming online at least. Its going to hurt.

Here's to hoping all the pre-orders don't get paid for.

[crazyates]

Go ahead mine with you 1500+ watt 3.5GH/s setup or whatever.
3.5 GH/s running off a USB port will crush your ROI Mr. GPU man. The only hope is ASICs flopping or not being super popular.
I have some disposable cash ATM and my Preorder number means at least 500 Jalapeno's have been ordered and everyone knows that we all didn't order just 1 Jalapeno.
Get ready for something like 1.7+TH/s coming online at least. Its going to hurt.

The window is closing fast, but you can still pay off a GPU rig before the reward half (assuming BFL can't deliver a product in October) depending on your electric costs. Come July/August, then your ROI is shot to hell.

Also, judging from the 900+ orders BFL already has, I'd say they ALREADY ARE plenty popular.

Lastly, the SC preorder thread already has a listed 8.8TH/s as ordered, and that's only a known 38 out of 900+ orders. I'd guess anywhere from 100-250TH/s have ALREADY been ordered from BFL.

[Aseras]

Even crazier than the diff skyrocketing will be when all these ASIC's are up and running, and something within the protocol will need to be changed and all those ASIC's become useless, bringing power back to GPU & FPGA miners =P
Or btc will die out and a alt currency which employs something different in its algo will also cause BTC ASIC's to become useless. So, hold onto some of your GPU's everyone =)

People keep saying this, with no understanding of what a "change in the protocol" means. Performing a SHA256 hash is something that will not change.

There are ways to change the way hashes are made to break an ASIC.  ASIC is hard wired. It can't change at all. FPGA can be reprogrammed with a new bitstream. GPUs are the same. A very minor change could make a lot of expensive paperweights and would be a great way to keep bitcoin operating the way it was meant, openly accessible to virtually anyone with everyday hardware, not a bunch of elites with fancy expensive hardware. It's supposed to be run by the people, not the "1%"

[Unacceptable]

Even crazier than the diff skyrocketing will be when all these ASIC's are up and running, and something within the protocol will need to be changed and all those ASIC's become useless, bringing power back to GPU & FPGA miners =P
Or btc will die out and a alt currency which employs something different in its algo will also cause BTC ASIC's to become useless. So, hold onto some of your GPU's everyone =)

People keep saying this, with no understanding of what a "change in the protocol" means. Performing a SHA256 hash is something that will not change.

There are ways to change the way hashes are made to break an ASIC.  ASIC is hard wired. It can't change at all. FPGA can be reprogrammed with a new bitstream. GPUs are the same. A very minor change could make a lot of expensive paperweights and would be a great way to keep bitcoin operating the way it was meant, openly accessible to virtually anyone with everyday hardware, not a bunch of elites with fancy expensive hardware. It's supposed to be run by the people, not the "1%"

  Wow,I'm part of the 1%  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89258.msg988348#msg988348

[||bit]

Hi guys, I basically had a prophetic dream vision last night, that the BFL Labs ASIC won't be shipped until February 2013 at best.

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It would be more profitable (no pun intended).

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