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December 07, 2014, 02:08:49 AM
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To summarize, it's now been discovered that the owner of pbmining (Jason Boyko) created a phishing site (blockkchain.info) about a month before creating his extremely shady, zero transparency cloudmining company.

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It has come to our attention that specific company information about PB Mining is very hard to find beyond the fact PB Mining (Piggyback Mining) is operated by a company in Canada called Digital Mining.

http://cloudminingreport.com/reviews/pb-mining-the-cheapest-ghs-for-bitcoin-cloud-mining/
https://archive.today/2Eq5O

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PB Mining is an ASIC Bitcoin cloud mining service with headquarters in Saskatoon, Canada and with the majority of our operations in Iceland.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/112226/pb-mining

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Mailing Address:
Name: DIGITAL MINING STORE
Address: 314 33RD STREET EAST
City/Province: SASKATOON, SK
Country/Postal Code: CANADA, S7K0S4
Attention: JASON BOYKO

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-h65PZOjaekYlpNLTBSMGhvYms/view

We pay out 100% of what we receive from all mining sources.  It is impossible to pay out more than that.
If you do pay out 100% of mining revenue instead of straight PPS, that would be understandable. Of course luck affects every miner.

Could you point to a time when your luck was over 100% and you paid out more than 100% PPS? Awesome, thanks Jason.

Jason won't be answering your questions, but I can sure help.  May I ask what your customer # is?  Perhaps I could take a closer look at your specific account.  E-mail admin@pbmining.com and we will take a look.

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Registrant Contact Information:
    Name: jason boyko
    Organization: digital mining
    Address 1: 314 33rd street east
    City: saskatoon
    State: Saskatchewan
    Zip: s7k0s4
    Country: CA
    Phone: +1.3067160288

http://who.is/domain-history/blockkchain.info
https://archive.today/Poy09

Looks like he tried to fake the registrar data after realizing it might have been a bad idea to use his real name when registering a domain for his scam. The updated info says the domain was created on May 16, 2014, but he was clearly already scamming by November 20th of last year: https://web.archive.org/web/20131120014143/http://blockkchain.info/




Credit to Mr. Teal, Warren Buffet, and Puppet for finding the info.

Bonus:

https://bitiodine.net/a2a/1BaconNYiSsZoq79K9LuEEp7RyGjKuwodJ/1Payday1sm5wGqtatKscfXnxARZ2B2MF3z
https://bitiodine.net/a2a/1HammmJ8zaGVHicRxTPRDMdfGCujrfZc8y/1Payday1sm5wGqtatKscfXnxARZ2B2MF3z
https://bitiodine.net/a2a/1PBackwRV1rHvDpqkYRTR9WCEEEMEwuSrJ/1Payday1sm5wGqtatKscfXnxARZ2B2MF3z
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https://bitiodine.net/a2a/1Porky8h4XMoM1RbtTHe7ZpPAe7DpE79Hb/1Payday1sm5wGqtatKscfXnxARZ2B2MF3z
https://bitiodine.net/a2a/1BaconH9L8CQ9eGJkjDqN28Pw8v8Rzbp6f/1Payday1sm5wGqtatKscfXnxARZ2B2MF3z
https://bitiodine.net/a2a/1Bacont6QxTg3SxfqEG5gfiqefGMCeSNqs/1Payday1sm5wGqtatKscfXnxARZ2B2MF3z
https://bitiodine.net/a2a/1PiGgYR36C3VdCP9k2zQLrp1ZvDQNdQsre/1Payday1sm5wGqtatKscfXnxARZ2B2MF3z
https://bitiodine.net/a2a/1BaconV3vARfyvKDMCbfZ5rE6acstH6GFV/1Payday1sm5wGqtatKscfXnxARZ2B2MF3z
https://bitiodine.net/a2a/1PorkyB6s8Tb7JU8QiBpreD159iW6aaSWt/1Payday1sm5wGqtatKscfXnxARZ2B2MF3z

These are instances where pbmining was using new investor funds to payout "mining earnings". This doesn't happen anymore because they began running all purchases/payments through a coinmixer.
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December 07, 2014, 02:36:28 AM
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The blockk site doesn't work and Chrome for some reason suggests to go to a cached version of blockchaim.info

Is that one also his?

And what was there on those sites, a replica of blockchain.info? The archive copy doesn't show much.

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December 07, 2014, 02:48:39 AM
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The blockk site doesn't work and Chrome for some reason suggests to go to a cached version of blockchaim.info

Is that one also his?

You mean when you search for blockkchain.info on google right?

Looking at the whois I don't see any connection so I'm guessing it's just another phishing site.

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And what was there on those sites, a replica of blockchain.info? The archive copy doesn't show much.

Yep. The archived copy is missing CSS which is why it looks weird.
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December 07, 2014, 02:58:24 AM
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So how is it definitive? Sorry just not seeing the correlation like I do with GAW and that thread. Love to know and I have 0 investment with them. Cheers!
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December 07, 2014, 03:07:30 AM
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How does someone making a phishing site prove his cloud mining is a scam? You counted your chickens too early calling it "definitive proof" Roll Eyes

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December 07, 2014, 03:13:45 AM
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The blockk site doesn't work and Chrome for some reason suggests to go to a cached version of blockchaim.info

Is that one also his?

You mean when you search for blockkchain.info on google right?

I meant my Chrome browser was showing it on its error page, but I guess it's pulling the first result from Google.

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December 07, 2014, 03:23:00 AM
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I've changed the title to make it more accurate.

I suppose it is possible he decided to create a legit mining operation only a month after creating a phishing site, but I think that's a bit of a stretch.
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Wow, great work jimmothy   well done man.


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might want to change it to 'was'

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December 07, 2014, 03:35:16 AM
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Can't you pretty much put any/random information when registering a domain? (I may be wrong on this).

Do you think it would be possible that the person who registered he fishing site used PBmining's info to make them look bad?

I know that there are a large number of cloud mining sites that probably are a scam one way or another. Short of having a whistleblower inside the company I don't think anyone is going to be able to provide proof of such until they decide to scam and stop paying.

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might want to change it to 'was'


While it's a bit misleading to have pbmining in the title sort of implying that pbmining is a scam too (which it might or might not be), but I wouldn't go as far as saying "was a scammer". If I steal something, I'm a thief. If I stop stealing tomorrow am I not a thief anymore? Maybe "was scamming" would be more appropriate.

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Can't you pretty much put any/random information when registering a domain? (I may be wrong on this).

Do you think it would be possible that the person who registered he fishing site used PBmining's info to make them look bad?


That is technically a possibility, but if I understand it correctly the address wasn't easily obtainable and it would be a very weird way to frame somebody, seeing how long ago it was and nobody bothered to make it public until now.

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December 07, 2014, 03:47:29 AM
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Can't you pretty much put any/random information when registering a domain? (I may be wrong on this).

Do you think it would be possible that the person who registered he fishing site used PBmining's info to make them look bad?


That is technically a possibility, but if I understand it correctly the address wasn't easily obtainable and it would be a very weird way to frame somebody, seeing how long ago it was and nobody bothered to make it public until now.
Well another possibility is that they purchased the domain with the intention of having it redirect to their pbmining website. Although this would be questionable in regards to ethics, it would be far from scamming. (does anyone have evidence this is one of many blockchain.info phishing sites?).

I think the person who can prove that a major cloud mining company is scamming will receive a level of trust and respect that cannot be manipulated, and as a result many people spend a lot of effort trying to uncover evidence of such.

I personally think that most/many of the cloud mining companies are scamming, and would not trust any of them with my money, however I do not think this is proof they are a scam (or that they were a scam, or that their founder scammed in the past) 

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December 07, 2014, 03:49:03 AM
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might want to change it to 'was'


While it's a bit misleading to have pbmining in the title sort of implying that pbmining is a scam too (which it might or might not be), but I wouldn't go as far as saying "was a scammer". If I steal something, I'm a thief. If I stop stealing tomorrow am I not a thief anymore? Maybe "was scamming" would be more appropriate.

yes... i would say taking out definitive proof and replacing it with possible proof... and then is a scammer would have to be changed to was scamming
so... possible proof the pbmining owner was scamming
that would be accurate
could add in maybe even ;/
possible proof the pbmining owner was maybe scamming


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Can't you pretty much put any/random information when registering a domain? (I may be wrong on this).

Yes, but I don't think you can't fake archives.

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Do you think it would be possible that the person who registered he fishing site used PBmining's info to make them look bad?

pbmining didn't exist until 1-2 months after the phishing website was created. They had an ebay account some time before that, but why would a scammer want to steal the identity of a random ebayer who sold a few usb miners?

As you said, they could have used any name/address/info so why not make it look like blockchain.info's registrar data? Seems like a scamming fail to me.

I don't think it's fake because it would be an incredibly elaborate hoax to pull off considering how well the info about pbmining is hidden.
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Can't you pretty much put any/random information when registering a domain? (I may be wrong on this).

Yes, but I don't think you can't fake archives.
If you put fake/random information when registering the domain, wouldn't the archive show the fake information?
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Do you think it would be possible that the person who registered he fishing site used PBmining's info to make them look bad?

pbmining didn't exist until 1-2 months after the phishing website was created. They had an ebay account some time before that, but why would a scammer want to steal the identity of a random ebayer who sold a few usb miners?

As you said, they could have used any name/address/info so why not make it look like blockchain.info's registrar data? Seems like a scamming fail to me.

I don't think it's fake because it would be an incredibly elaborate hoax to pull off considering how well the info about pbmining is hidden.
Do you have an archive of the actual site? Like I said above, I might speculate that PB mining was registering a domain that would redirect to their cloud mining website. Or maybe they he was domain harvesting. Just because he has a close name to 'blockchain.info' does not mean he used it to scam.

I am really playing devils advocate here. I don't think there is enough that would show that PB mining is trustworthy enough for me to trust them with my money while entering a 5 year agreement.

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Can't you pretty much put any/random information when registering a domain? (I may be wrong on this).

Yes, but I don't think you can't fake archives.
If you put fake/random information when registering the domain, wouldn't the archive show the fake information?
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Do you think it would be possible that the person who registered he fishing site used PBmining's info to make them look bad?

pbmining didn't exist until 1-2 months after the phishing website was created. They had an ebay account some time before that, but why would a scammer want to steal the identity of a random ebayer who sold a few usb miners?

As you said, they could have used any name/address/info so why not make it look like blockchain.info's registrar data? Seems like a scamming fail to me.

I don't think it's fake because it would be an incredibly elaborate hoax to pull off considering how well the info about pbmining is hidden.
Do you have an archive of the actual site? Like I said above, I might speculate that PB mining was registering a domain that would redirect to their cloud mining website. Or maybe they he was domain harvesting. Just because he has a close name to 'blockchain.info' does not mean he used it to scam.

I am really playing devils advocate here. I don't think there is enough that would show that PB mining is trustworthy enough for me to trust them with my money while entering a 5 year agreement.

https://web.archive.org/web/20131120014143/http://blockkchain.info/

This is the archive I'm talking about which was captured on Nov 20 2013 (about two weeks after the site was registered).
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Can't you pretty much put any/random information when registering a domain? (I may be wrong on this).

Yes, but I don't think you can't fake archives.
If you put fake/random information when registering the domain, wouldn't the archive show the fake information?
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Do you think it would be possible that the person who registered he fishing site used PBmining's info to make them look bad?

pbmining didn't exist until 1-2 months after the phishing website was created. They had an ebay account some time before that, but why would a scammer want to steal the identity of a random ebayer who sold a few usb miners?

As you said, they could have used any name/address/info so why not make it look like blockchain.info's registrar data? Seems like a scamming fail to me.

I don't think it's fake because it would be an incredibly elaborate hoax to pull off considering how well the info about pbmining is hidden.
Do you have an archive of the actual site? Like I said above, I might speculate that PB mining was registering a domain that would redirect to their cloud mining website. Or maybe they he was domain harvesting. Just because he has a close name to 'blockchain.info' does not mean he used it to scam.

I am really playing devils advocate here. I don't think there is enough that would show that PB mining is trustworthy enough for me to trust them with my money while entering a 5 year agreement.

https://web.archive.org/web/20131120014143/http://blockkchain.info/

This is the archive I'm talking about which was captured on Nov 20 2013 (about two weeks after the site was registered).
I am not familiar with what blockchain.info looked like back then, but I would say it is safe to say this would probably be enough to say it was a phishing site (although it does look very different then it does now).

There is still the possibility that it was registered by someone who was not best friends of the founder of PB mining.

Also just because the founder was scamming does not mean PBmining itself is a scam (although I still think it probably is). For example one of the founders/officers of BFL was a felon (he ran something to do with gambling that was illegal) but I don't think the fact that BFL was a scam had anything to do with him.

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December 07, 2014, 05:21:22 AM
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I know that there are a large number of cloud mining sites that probably are a scam one way or another. Short of having a whistleblower inside the company I don't think anyone is going to be able to provide proof of such until they decide to scam and stop paying.

PBMining has stopped sending out full payments. They are skimming the payouts. They are now absolutely confirmed as a scam.

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December 07, 2014, 05:26:18 AM
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Also just because the founder was scamming does not mean PBmining itself is a scam (although I still think it probably is). For example one of the founders/officers of BFL was a felon (he ran something to do with gambling that was illegal) but I don't think the fact that BFL was a scam had anything to do with him.

:facepalm: Hell that deserves a :doublefacepalm:

One of the founders of BFL was a felon who scammed little old ladies out of their pension money with a mail based lotteries scam but i doubt that has anything to do with the fact that BFL turned out to be a massive pre-order scam is your argument why running a phishing site isnt proof that the guys running a scam now :lol:
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