BitForce SC - Pre order delay

[Philj]

Sounds good. I especially like the part where they don't take anyones money so far in advance.

I wish they'd take my money now so I could go on with my Saturday.

Yeah, hitting refresh sucks, and my kids want to go to the pool 

[rjk]

Well fuck me, I'm out of coins, and MtGox is acting funny.

[Philj]

Well fuck me, I'm out of coins, and MtGox is acting funny normal.

FTFY

[Dargo]

It would also be nice to know if there will be shipping charges for any of the units so people can get a more exact idea of how many BTC they need to purchase.

[nedbert9]

@BFL


Regarding BTC being the only initial payment option.

You should recognize a significant number of existing customers that have funds tied up in either immediately received Singles or Singles yet to have arrived.

Can you imagine how this segment of your current customer base would feel if they are forced to the end of the line?

[JWU42]

@BFL


Regarding BTC being the only initial payment option.

You should recognize a significant number of existing customers that have funds tied up in either immediately received Singles or Singles yet to have arrived.

Can you imagine how this segment of your current customer base would feel if they are forced to the end of the line?

This is poor, even for BFL... 

Need to give people a few days (or more) notice that pre-orders are coming.  NOTHING posted on your website?!?

Come on guys - sharpen up!

[nedbert9]

@BFL


Regarding BTC being the only initial payment option.

You should recognize a significant number of existing customers that have funds tied up in either immediately received Singles or Singles yet to have arrived.

Can you imagine how this segment of your current customer base would feel if they are forced to the end of the line?

This is poor, even for BFL... 

Need to give people a few days (or more) notice that pre-orders are coming.  NOTHING posted on your website?!?

Come on guys - sharpen up!

Yeah, I'm really unimpressed with this half effort on BFL's part to recognize stake holders and prioritize accordingly.  Obviously, trade-in offer isn't the only thing to be considered.  It's the timely (in)ability for customers to execute the trade-in offer if they are going to use a first-come-first-serve strategy.

I say, take preorders for 1-2 months, produce quantity and then deliver in bulk.

If I feel I'm being put at the end of the line, while both having Singles and waiting on Singles, I'm most certainly dumping this BFL shit.

[Dargo]

@BFL


Regarding BTC being the only initial payment option.

You should recognize a significant number of existing customers that have funds tied up in either immediately received Singles or Singles yet to have arrived.

Can you imagine how this segment of your current customer base would feel if they are forced to the end of the line?

That, and it's rewarding people who have been hoarding their coins, who are not exactly the people who have been supporting the currency as a method of payment (treating it more like a speculative investment). I like the idea of supporting Bit-pay, but otherwise this BTC only payment stipulation is awkward and arguably unfair.  

[OgNasty]

That, and it's rewarding people who have been hoarding their coins, who are not exactly the people who have been supporting the currency as a method of payment (treating it more like a speculative investment). I like the idea of supporting Bit-pay, but otherwise this BTC only payment stipulation is awkward and arguably unfair. 

Bitcoiners complaining about having to buy something with BTC is almost as absurd as saying people who have BTC to spend aren't supporting the currency. 

[SysRun]

I just with MTGOX would let me convert already... I've been trying to get a big market order in for the past 4 hours... Yeah, they suspended trading and its on the anniversary of the big hackattack. I hope that's all just coincidence.

[rjk]

I just with MTGOX would let me convert already... I've been trying to get a big market order in for the past 4 hours... Yeah, they suspended trading and its on the anniversary of the big hackattack. I hope that's all just coincidence.

+1 

[BitPay Business Solutions]

Bitcoiners complaining about having to buy something with BTC is almost as absurd as saying people who have BTC to spend aren't supporting the currency.  

Exactly.

"I need to get money to this person FAST."

Bitcoins do that well.  By companison, you can wait until Monday morning and go to the bank and figure out how to do a wire transfer that will take 2-3 days.

[quattro]

That, and it's rewarding people who have been hoarding their coins, who are not exactly the people who have been supporting the currency as a method of payment (treating it more like a speculative investment). I like the idea of supporting Bit-pay, but otherwise this BTC only payment stipulation is awkward and arguably unfair. 

Bitcoiners complaining about having to buy something with BTC is almost as absurd as saying people who have BTC to spend aren't supporting the currency. 

Exactly ... the users that are most likely to have at least enough bitcoins on hand to buy one SC will be the miners that have been mining for years and are the backbone of bitcoin.  Miners that do it for fun or strictly for profit won't have enough readily on hand or will be cashing them out as fast as they can to fiat currency.

I think this its a smart move for BFL to give the existing miners this advantage as they are the ones that will be most affected by the resulting jump in difficulty.

I have money tied up in BFL singles orders and would appreciate a small advantage, but if I don't get one, I'm not going to cry about it.  I was ready to order last night.  I'm really not worried about the process being "fair."  Any adult knows that "fair" ended when we stopped playing with toys in the sandbox.  I do think it would be healthy for bitcoin for BFL to limit the number of units per order.  Yes there will be users that get around the limit, but at least make them work for the extra units.  Someone that can order ten at the click of a button will at least be limited to 3 to 5 units using multiple "aliases."

With all that said a tried and true bitcoin user will know how to turn fiat currency into bitcoins in under an hour.

[Dargo]

That, and it's rewarding people who have been hoarding their coins, who are not exactly the people who have been supporting the currency as a method of payment (treating it more like a speculative investment). I like the idea of supporting Bit-pay, but otherwise this BTC only payment stipulation is awkward and arguably unfair. 

Bitcoiners complaining about having to buy something with BTC is almost as absurd as saying people who have BTC to spend aren't supporting the currency. 

You are right - I didn't mean to imply that anyone with BTC to spend isn't supporting the currency. Still, one of the stated reasons for the policy is to support miners, and I don't see that it is really doing that. It's just supporting miners who happen to have enough BTC on hand. If people were given a little more advanced warning to get funds together, it wouldn't really matter. But for someone with a small mining operation (say 2 Gh/s or less), one would have to have been hoarding for quite a while in order to have enough BTC on hand to purchase an SC single. It's not a big negative IMO, and it's offset by the positive of supporting Bit-pay, so I'm not going to get too worked up about it.

[rjk]

Can we at least hold it off until mtgox starts working again? Trade engine seems to be down....

Well fuck me, I'm out of coins, and MtGox is acting funny normal.

FTFY

No you didn't. The trade engine isn't working and no trades have executed for a while.

[wogaut]

@BFL


Regarding BTC being the only initial payment option.

You should recognize a significant number of existing customers that have funds tied up in either immediately received Singles or Singles yet to have arrived.

Can you imagine how this segment of your current customer base would feel if they are forced to the end of the line?

Yes, that's me completely!

[nanook7]

Does this forum software allow us to tag the BLF account so I can get an email when they post again?  I'd like to be able to know when they post (via email or sms) without hitting F5 all day.  I want to enjoy the nice weekend...sunshine is good!

thanks

[cuz0882]

Can you imagine how this segment of your current customer base would feel if they are forced to the end of the line?

I would feel like joining forces with all the other abused customers..

[||bit]

@BFL


Regarding BTC being the only initial payment option.

You should recognize a significant number of existing customers that have funds tied up in either immediately received Singles or Singles yet to have arrived.

Can you imagine how this segment of your current customer base would feel if they are forced to the end of the line?

Nedbert. You have a good point.

Also, I'd like to add that I have wanted to respond to a comment of yours before, but didn't because your forum icon/image is too disturbing.
I'll send you one bitcoin today if you change it permanently away from that image (to something not like it).

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[||bit]

Can you imagine how this segment of your current customer base would feel if they are forced to the end of the line?

I would feel like joining forces with all the other abused customers..

BFL appears to have a very neat & tidy product. However, customer issues like the unfullfilled orders and late deliveries makes the open ASIC project sounds better all the time. It will be good for guys that made the FPGA boards to have a new source to make other PCB concepts to compete with BFL. Who knows, maybe BFL will sell their chips as well. And they might have to if/when the open ASIC project delivers ASICs as well as PCB's. Though the BFL ASICs may very well be better designed. They seem to have some good engineers, and have apparently put a lot of thought into the design. I'm not sure what level of design talent is behind the open ASIC project.

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