BitForce SC - Pre order delay

[Tachikoma]

I'm writing now in case any of you had been staying up waiting for the order form posting tonight.  We're going to sleep on it and post tomorrow, but at the moment we're leaning towards a system that satisfies the two most significant arguments which are first come first serve & the lottery style distribution.

Sooo my day has come and gone and still no updates. Can I go to sleep or do I have to drink coffees till I burst again 

[David_Benz]

Funny thing is.  As CUSSED UP this all is.  You are ALL going to give your money to BFL eventually.

[BCbitcoin]

It's crazy how many people are willing to fork over their cash knowing it's going to be 5+ months (best case) that anything ships. They're taking pre orders for finished product to fund the development of the product and doing it in a way where you can't be refunded. If there is a hiccup, how do they get more money?

[David_Benz]

It's crazy how many people are willing to fork over their cash knowing it's going to be 5+ months (best case) that anything ships. They're taking pre orders for finished product to fund the development of the product and doing it in a way where you can't be refunded. If there is a hiccup, how do they get more money?

Even worse, the products they ARE delivering ... fail after one day lol

Ask GigaVPS.

[imsaguy]

It's crazy how many people are willing to fork over their cash knowing it's going to be 5+ months (best case) that anything ships. They're taking pre orders for finished product to fund the development of the product and doing it in a way where you can't be refunded. If there is a hiccup, how do they get more money?

Even worse, the products they ARE delivering ... fail after one day lol

Ask GigaVPS.

Has anyone else received the minirigs they ordered?  AFAIK, Giga was the only one.  I'd be curious to see if the other people are having the same issues.

[psahx]

Why don't you build one, test it and then sell it trough auction, if you want more money... Lottery is a very bad idea.

Let me ask you, BFL, didn't you earn enough money from your single and mini-rig orders to continue developing your further products without taking everyone's BTC for a 3 month pre order?

[DILLIGAF]

Why don't you build one, test it and then sell it trough auction, if you want more money... Lottery is a very bad idea.

Let me ask you, BFL, didn't you earn enough money from your single and mini-rig orders to continue developing your further products without taking everyone's BTC for a 3 month pre order?

That way of doing things does not lock in your profit before production.

[David_Benz]

It's crazy how many people are willing to fork over their cash knowing it's going to be 5+ months (best case) that anything ships. They're taking pre orders for finished product to fund the development of the product and doing it in a way where you can't be refunded. If there is a hiccup, how do they get more money?

Even worse, the products they ARE delivering ... fail after one day lol

Ask GigaVPS.

Has anyone else received the minirigs they ordered?  AFAIK, Giga was the only one.  I'd be curious to see if the other people are having the same issues.

I think VPS is the only one with them.

SO, that being said.  25% of BFLs mini-rigs have FAILED in the first day.

That is pretty bad.

[Dargo]

It's crazy how many people are willing to fork over their cash knowing it's going to be 5+ months (best case) that anything ships. They're taking pre orders for finished product to fund the development of the product and doing it in a way where you can't be refunded. If there is a hiccup, how do they get more money?

Even worse, the products they ARE delivering ... fail after one day lol

Ask GigaVPS.

Has anyone else received the minirigs they ordered?  AFAIK, Giga was the only one.  I'd be curious to see if the other people are having the same issues.

I think VPS is the only one with them.

SO, that being said.  25% of BFLs mini-rigs have FAILED in the first day.

That is pretty bad.

And with a sample size to make this fact completely meaningless.

[jjiimm_64]

SO, that being said.  25% of BFLs mini-rigs have FAILED in the first day.

reminds me of a movie:  "  I've flown with you twice, and you've crashed half the time."

[KIDC]

As many have said, I think the BTC-only payment option is unfair. While I definitely understand the reasoning behind it, it means that people (myself included) are going to be waiting around for funds to clear before being able to order any product. If I could order with PayPal using credit card I could order immediately and be done with it. But to open pre-orders in BTC only with only one day notice (and a weekend at that) means that only die-hard BTC fanatics from day one (or people who are so rich they can have 4-5 figures in BTC at all times) are going to be able to order these items. I think while BFL intentions are good this is going to completely go the opposite way and have the opposite of what they intended occur.

Right now, unless this changes, I'm considering not even bothering ordering anything. If I have to wait 3-5 days to move my funds so that I can buy the product so many pre-orders may have already been placed by the "bitcoin millionaires" that I may not even make any profit at all. I strongly believe that this needs to be reconsidered by BFL and them at least allow a credit card option via PayPal on the same day that the bit-pay option hits. I already have thousands of dollars tied up in Singles that are late and it's quite ridiculous for me to be punished as a loyal, paying customer who wants to buy even more. I have the money available and would be able to pay the credit card in full within a couple of weeks easily but I just don't have the money this instant.

I would bet that very few of us in the mining community have so much BTC available to buy these units, and the few that do have so much sitting around that they could buy out 6 months of production if they wished.  If there's even a perception that the mining network is going to be dominated by a few ASIC supermining operations, the average bitcoin miner is not going to want to take the risk to buy any ASICs when they may never break even. Please reconsider this situation for the sake of your current loyal customers who don't have money in their account at this very moment because they've already spent it all on the soon to be obsolete Singles (which is me and many others voicing their concerns in this thread).

[OgNasty]

Get em while they're hot!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.60

[DutchBrat]

This is really bad customer relations... they just sporadically updated the website with an order form....

Gimme a break....

They asked for the forums opinion on how to proceed with the pre-ordering and delivery and now they just gone ahead and opened up pre-ordering without explaining the rules

unbelievable....

[DILLIGAF]

This is really bad customer relations... they just sporadically updated the website with an order form....

Gimme a break....

They asked for the forums opinion on how to proceed with the pre-ordering and delivery and now they just gone ahead and opened up pre-ordering without explaining the rules

unbelievable....

I'm curious just what in their past behavior lead you to think it would be any other way.

[DutchBrat]

This is really bad customer relations... they just sporadically updated the website with an order form....

Gimme a break....

They asked for the forums opinion on how to proceed with the pre-ordering and delivery and now they just gone ahead and opened up pre-ordering without explaining the rules

unbelievable....

I'm curious just what in their past behavior lead you to think it would be any other way.

Hope... I guess.... 

[SysRun]

The fact that they opened up ordering doesn't mean that they won't consider taking our advice.

[Philj]

Well, lets wait and see if they change the rules after taking peoples BTC peoples BTC. As crazy as the current understanding is, its just as bad or worse to change it after money has been paid.

[SysRun]

I disagree, I think saying "we're going to ship the first 200 units simultaneously" makes sense. (or whatever arbitrary amount to average the order time over a couple days.

[nedbert9]

@BFL


Regarding BTC being the only initial payment option.

You should recognize a significant number of existing customers that have funds tied up in either immediately received Singles or Singles yet to have arrived.

Can you imagine how this segment of your current customer base would feel if they are forced to the end of the line?

Nedbert. You have a good point.

Also, I'd like to add that I have wanted to respond to a comment of yours before, but didn't because your forum icon/image is too disturbing.
I'll send you one bitcoin today if you change it permanently away from that image (to something not like it).

||bit

What?  You don't think I'm pretty?  How rude.

I'll change it.

[cuz0882]

The fact that they opened up ordering doesn't mean that they won't consider taking our advice.

This customer service is unbelievable. 83 days just to get tossed in the back of the line?