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June 29, 2012, 12:06:44 PM
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Will the developer of CGMINER (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=28402.0) get a unit to facilitate the development and testing with the ASIC hardware? It would be nice to have working third-party software when the ASICs ship so we don't have expensive paper weights.
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June 29, 2012, 12:42:07 PM
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June 29, 2012, 01:11:35 PM
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Even if as much as 100 TH of new hardware is delivered all at once on release day, anyone able to immediately use the new hardware will recover about 25% of their investment in the first 2 days (if starting right after a difficulty adjustment).

If software isn't ready and tested in advance, it will be a mad scramble to figure it out as the first units arrive, and minutes will be significant. Please arrange for at least one mining program to be tested in advance and ready to be used the moment deliveries occur.

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June 29, 2012, 02:01:05 PM
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Even if as much as 100 TH of new hardware is delivered all at once on release day, anyone able to immediately use the new hardware will recover about 25% of their investment in the first 2 days (if starting right after a difficulty adjustment).

If software isn't ready and tested in advance, it will be a mad scramble to figure it out as the first units arrive, and minutes will be significant. Please arrange for at least one mining program to be tested in advance and ready to be used the moment deliveries occur.

I would think that EasyMiner would work with them. You would make a decent amount of money just using Eclipse at that point.
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June 29, 2012, 02:31:26 PM
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Even if as much as 100 TH of new hardware is delivered all at once on release day, anyone able to immediately use the new hardware will recover about 25% of their investment in the first 2 days (if starting right after a difficulty adjustment).

If software isn't ready and tested in advance, it will be a mad scramble to figure it out as the first units arrive, and minutes will be significant. Please arrange for at least one mining program to be tested in advance and ready to be used the moment deliveries occur.

You might want to check your math. BFL website says that block mining software is included.
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June 29, 2012, 02:34:27 PM
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You might want to check your math. BFL website says that block mining software is included.

Yes, I've seen it, no thanks. I don't want to be forced to mine another pool
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June 29, 2012, 02:36:54 PM
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You might want to check your math. BFL website says that block mining software is included.

Yes, I've seen it, no thanks. I don't want to be forced to mine another pool

If your one of the first to get your ASIC, solo mining seems pretty viable Wink
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June 29, 2012, 02:37:44 PM
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Do you think Eclipse will be able to handle 100 TH/s ?

Solo-mining ! The way to go Smiley
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June 29, 2012, 02:37:51 PM
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If your one of the first to get your ASIC, solo mining seems pretty viable Wink

Agreed, but BFL's software won't do SOLO mining.
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June 29, 2012, 02:39:31 PM
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Do you think Eclipse will be able to handle 100 TH/s ?

Solo-mining ! The way to go Smiley

Who knows? I am sure Inaba would pay attention to the state of the software available and if the only thing is EasyMiner then my assumption would be he would try and prepare for it.
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June 29, 2012, 05:44:15 PM
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Even if as much as 100 TH of new hardware is delivered all at once on release day, anyone able to immediately use the new hardware will recover about 25% of their investment in the first 2 days (if starting right after a difficulty adjustment).

If software isn't ready and tested in advance, it will be a mad scramble to figure it out as the first units arrive, and minutes will be significant. Please arrange for at least one mining program to be tested in advance and ready to be used the moment deliveries occur.

This is NAIVE. BFL will "test" all prepared units. At the time they start to ship and your HW will be delivered, the network difficulty will be already adjusted (multiple times up).

Remember my words.

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June 29, 2012, 05:48:00 PM
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Even if as much as 100 TH of new hardware is delivered all at once on release day, anyone able to immediately use the new hardware will recover about 25% of their investment in the first 2 days (if starting right after a difficulty adjustment).

If software isn't ready and tested in advance, it will be a mad scramble to figure it out as the first units arrive, and minutes will be significant. Please arrange for at least one mining program to be tested in advance and ready to be used the moment deliveries occur.

This is NAIVE. BFL will "test" all prepared units. At the time they start to ship and your HW will be delivered, the network difficulty will be already adjusted (multiple times up).

Remember my words.


From what I can tell, they don't actually test their products with live BTC mining for more than about 5-10 minutes. The network is not going to adjust THAT much before they start shipping.

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June 29, 2012, 05:49:35 PM
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Even if as much as 100 TH of new hardware is delivered all at once on release day, anyone able to immediately use the new hardware will recover about 25% of their investment in the first 2 days (if starting right after a difficulty adjustment).

If software isn't ready and tested in advance, it will be a mad scramble to figure it out as the first units arrive, and minutes will be significant. Please arrange for at least one mining program to be tested in advance and ready to be used the moment deliveries occur.

This is NAIVE. BFL will "test" all prepared units. At the time they start to ship and your HW will be delivered, the network difficulty will be already adjusted (multiple times up).

Remember my words.

They test them using their own algorithms, and checking whether the results match their expected results.
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June 29, 2012, 05:52:48 PM
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I wrote "test". You can call it burn-in. Or pre-mining.

If you would have 15 (100, 300?) TH at hands, you will definitely try to mine with them before you ship them out. So will do BFL.


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June 30, 2012, 03:58:39 AM
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Obviously the right thing to do on a moral and customer support basis is for the cgminer team (ckolivas primarily, probably luke-jr if needed and maybe kano too) should get early access to both the specification/protocol for BitForce SC as well as an early unit prototype or something so that full cgminer support will be available when the product line ships. My personal opinion is that BFL has a moral obligation to do this. However, clearly BFL is a for-profit company and may not wish to spend the time/funds to do this since they will have a market monopoly already.

I would like a BFL representative to make an official statement regarding this soon. If BFL isn't going to oblige then as a community we need to get together and help out the cgminer team continue with their constant hard work. I myself am willing to donate in this regard.

I'm sure me and the rest of the community won't forget BFL's decision on this - whichever way they decide.

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June 30, 2012, 04:50:02 AM
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They test them using their own algorithms, and checking whether the results match their expected results.

I wrote "test". You can call it burn-in. Or pre-mining.

If you would have 15 (100, 300?) TH at hands, you will definitely try to mine with them before you ship them out. So will do BFL.

This is my understanding from what they've said in the past;  as SgtSpike said, they test them using their own algorithms.  Then they do a small live mining test after that as a sanity check.

Not sure if that will change with the ASIC units or not, though (I'm not expecting it to).
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June 30, 2012, 05:04:12 AM
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+1 on what KIDC said.  I'll be disappointed if BFL doesn't work with the cgminer development team to make sure cgminer can support their new ASIC devices before customers start to receive them.

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, and guess they haven't responded because they're swamped with order questions right now, it's still early (several months before they're shipping), and they don't have any actual units yet to test with/develop for anyway.

Even if there's other mining software available, the failover functionality of cgminer alone makes it really important.
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June 30, 2012, 07:51:47 AM
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Thanks guys. I'm watching BFL's movements closely on this one as it likely will determine what I'll be doing long term with bitcoin mining.

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June 30, 2012, 09:54:08 AM
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Do you think Eclipse will be able to handle 100 TH/s ?

Solo-mining ! The way to go Smiley

Who knows? I am sure Inaba would pay attention to the state of the software available and if the only thing is EasyMiner then my assumption would be he would try and prepare for it.

WHAT ? You don't want Inaba and EMC to do a 51% with all them juicy ASICs ?

Call me crazy but it sounds just perfect for me !

No cgminer needed. This is not GPU. CGMiner is perfect for GPUs.

ASIC will probably come with EasyMiner software and Inaba EMC 51% kill bitcoin switch sadly Cry
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June 30, 2012, 11:37:13 AM
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Having support for CGMINER greatly increases the value of these units for miners. I would think it would be in BFL's best interests to have CGMINER support ready to go and tested before the new ASIC units ship.
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