Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"

[WEB slicer]

cool story, i don't mind this one though cause he isn't hurting anybody.

but ya, gates definitely has power and influence. he isn't your average white guy with money.

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[Jammalan the Prophet]

HA - well said.

having money isn't enough to have freedom though, you need control and influence too.

the only ones who are truly free in this country is the bankers who control the federal reserve.

Those bankers are untouchable. Lose billions and they get even more money cause they are "too big too fail" - Whatever that means.

But even the ultra-rich like Bill Gates can have laws literally changed for their own convenience

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_959#.22Gates_959.22
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_and_Display

The Porsche 959 was not street legal in the US but Gates along with his army of lawyers was able to change this law single-handedly so he would be able to drive it

I guess you could say Gates has a bit of control and influence though 

The "Gates 959" was stored for 13 years by the Customs Service at the Port of Seattle, until regulations were changed to allow "Autos of Interest" to be imported with severe limitations on their use

[BADecker]

If it is the U.S. you hate, why? Because of freedom?

do you honestly believe freedom still exists in the US?

i don't.

it's more like the illusion of freedom.

Complete freedom doesn't exist anywhere. A simple little test that anybody and everybody can do to show himself/herself that complete freedom doesn't exist is this. Go outside some bright, moonlit night - some night when the moon is full or nearly so - and jump to the moon. No! I mean it. Go do it. Jump as hard as you can, and see how many tries that it takes before you can to jump to the moon.

There isn't any such thing as complete and total freedom. The closest that we have to it is the freedom to follow the laws of nature in the best ways possible. This freedom includes allowing others to have freedom just the same as you do, without harming them or damaging their property.

The framers of the U.S. Constitution understood this. They also understood that there would be bad people who would not follow the freedom of allowing other people their freedom. They understood that some of these bad people would get into government, and try to use the very government that they were setting up for freedom, to take the freedom away from other people. So, these founding fathers placed into the heart of the Constitution the things that I am showing you in the links that I mention, above - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=916456.msg10079836#msg10079836.

It isn't easy, and it won't be, at least not until people wake up to the freedom that they have, and government people wake up to the fact that they are only going to hurt themselves if they try to take freedom away from the rest of the people. It won't simply jump into your lap, freedom I mean. You need to go to the links and learn. Then you need to expand your knowledge beyond the links.

Start!  Do it!  Or are you scared of freedom - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc11mJGre10 ?

[WEB slicer]

The closest that we have to it is the freedom to follow the laws of nature in the best ways possible.

we don't have this freedom. the government controls the land. they don't follow the laws of nature. they destroy the land for resources and we don't get any say about it. they dictate where you can live. where you can grow crops. where you can fish. what you can hunt. they even made it illegal to collect rain water.

This freedom includes allowing others to have freedom just the same as you do, without harming them or damaging their property.

we don't have this freedom either. examples, the right to die. gun control. prohibition. illegal to consume crops that grow naturally out of the ground. illegal to own certain animals.

i decided to google the definition of freedom......

the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.
>the only freedom we have here is thought. if you say something a cop of judge doesn't like you will go to jail. you might even end up an enemy of the state and jailed for life without a trial.  

absence of subjection to foreign domination or despotic government.
>the only part here we have is the "foreign" government. our government is both dominant and tyrannical.

the state of not being imprisoned or enslaved.
>social security numbers. debt system. taxes. and the highest incarceration rate in the world.

sure, we have the freedom to jump at the moon and do mundane shit that does not matter. but we don't have the freedom to do most of the things that do matter.

i stand by my statement, freedom in the US is an illusion.

[BADecker]

Okay. Since you don't want freedom enough to start taking it, you don't have it. I accept. 

[WEB slicer]

i nor you can "take" our freedom back. the only way that will work is if all of us fight for it but americans as a whole are too conditioned to do anything about it.

and if the day comes that we actually decide to fight and take back this country, i would leave cause i don't give a fuck about this country and i won't lose my life for it.

[BADecker]

i nor you can "take" our freedom back. the only way that will work is if all of us fight for it and the people as a whole are too conditioned to do anything about it. and if the day comes that we have to fight for more freedom, i would leave cause i don't give a fuck about this country and i won't lose my life for it.

Exactly what I am talking about in my links at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=917252.msg10080165#msg10080165. I have started by learning the techniques that are working for others.

Certainly I wouldn't want to take your freedom away if you want to leave. But you better not earn any money abroad, because the U.S. government wants to take your freedom away so that you have to pay taxes, even from abroad. That means that you will still have to fight, even if you move abroad.

[WEB slicer]

we can renounce our citizenship. the united states would have no further control of us.

also, regarding the things you were talking about in your other post. i have seen people talking about how we are not legally obligated to pay taxes. and from what i hear they are correct. but that won't stop them from throwing you in jail for an imaginary crime. kent hovind was a preacher who collected donations for his church. he decided to play that game and not pay taxes. they threw him in jail and he is still locked up to this day.

[BADecker]

we can renounce our citizenship. the united states would have no further control of us.

Wrong!

If you look into it, the U.S. has recently instituted laws that say that you are still liable even if you renounce you citizenship. In other words, they aren't letting you renounce your citizenship freely. You still have to pay throughout your lifetime. Perhaps your kids born in other lands might be free.

If you renounce your citizenship, you are saying you are or were a citizen. Rather, don't acknowledge citizenship or residency. Instead, simply be domiciled on the land. The legal ramifications go back to the original meanings of the words, because the words don't change meaning in law like they do in common usage.

I used to think like you. But I have found out that the best freedom is right here, in the United States of America.

[WEB slicer]

from what i hear, you only pay an "exit tax" if you have acquired a certain amount of wealth while a resident in the country.

if you have dual citizenship and make money in another country you still have to pay tax to the US.

but once you renounce your citizenship they are done with you in every way and you are no longer able to enter the country.

[BADecker]

from what i hear, you only pay an "exit tax" if you have acquired a certain amount of wealth while a resident in the country. once you renounce your citizenship they are done with you in every way and you are no longer able to enter the country.

You may be right. I am not the expert on taxation. Still, if you move to a non-common law country, you are tossing away more freedom than you know.

I don't entirely disagree with you. I enjoy the idea of some of the Latin American countries.

[WEB slicer]

i'm cool with being a drifter. i like the idea of bouncing around the world. once i have permanent residence and apply for a new passport i can go anywhere i want. and what's nice about the EU is you can get to most countries by their rail system. i can go to amsterdam for a few years, then UK, ireland, paris, italy, switzerland. seeing the world sounds alot better than rotting in the US. australia and new zealand is gonna be my first destination.

[BADecker]

Good. Do it while you have the chance. Excitement.   

[WEB slicer]

Do it while you have the chance.

some people are worried if things get real bad they won't allow people in or out of the country.

i'm just waiting for my grandma to pass. she is my only responsibility. once she is gone so am i.

[BADecker]

Do it while you have the chance.

some people are worried if things get real bad they won't allow people in or out of the country.

i'm just waiting for my grandma to pass. she is my only responsibility. once she is gone so am i.

Subscribe to Simon Black's Sovereign Man http://www.sovereignman.com/. You can get it free, or you can sign up for a paid subscription. Lots of info there.

[WEB slicer]

have you seen this guy? he's a boss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuy_2Cq8HAA

[BADecker]

have you seen this guy? he's a boss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuy_2Cq8HAA

Yes, I have watched this several times. Ernie wound up doing time. The reason was that he didn't know how to use the basics of common law to:
1. require that his accuser be a man or woman;
2. get the accuser on the stand for questioning and verification;
3. verify that the accuser had no harm or damage done to him/her/it;
4. verify that there was a contract with Ernie's signature on it, by revealing it.

In retrospect, if Ernie had been denied a common law court by illegal activity of the courts, he can win a suit for a ton of money... if he does it right.

[WEB slicer]

do you have any information about people using the "sovereign citizen" defense in court and winning?

[BADecker]

The links in my post at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=916456.msg10079836#msg10079836 will lead you to some. But it won't be easy researching. However, O.J. Simpson was cleared of murder by using an indirect form of common law. They couldn't pin it on him, even though everyone knows that he was guilty, because they couldn't find anyone who would verify under oath that the lab samples were always protected from contamination. This is the part of common law, even though he didn't use common law completely and simply.

If O.J. had used common law in its simple form, he would have been out of court, free long before he was.

[WEB slicer]

those videos of Karl Lentz were awesome.