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December 31, 2014, 08:44:05 PM
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Weve ordered 24 of these, should be here next week.

Phillip, a tremendous thanks for all the insight and noise fixes. Much appreciated.

Im assuming yes, but I take it there would be no issues running (2) of these off a single EVGA 1300G2 PSU?

Were adding this to our S3+ Farm, and we have a bunch of extra 1300s we'd like to put to use.

Next week, 80 T/Hash up and running! Smiley

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you can but the cables need to placed correctly  .

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December 31, 2014, 08:54:20 PM
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Weve ordered 24 of these, should be here next week.

Phillip, a tremendous thanks for all the insight and noise fixes. Much appreciated.

Im assuming yes, but I take it there would be no issues running (2) of these off a single EVGA 1300G2 PSU?

Were adding this to our S3+ Farm, and we have a bunch of extra 1300s we'd like to put to use.

Next week, 80 T/Hash up and running! Smiley

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you can but the cables need to placed correctly  .

Hey Phillip,

Could you elaborate a bit?  Obviously we would run 4 x cables to each unit, and the split pairs running I assume to the same side of a single miner?

Just want to make sure we dont burn the server room down. Wink

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December 31, 2014, 09:06:57 PM
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Weve ordered 24 of these, should be here next week.

Phillip, a tremendous thanks for all the insight and noise fixes. Much appreciated.

Im assuming yes, but I take it there would be no issues running (2) of these off a single EVGA 1300G2 PSU?

Were adding this to our S3+ Farm, and we have a bunch of extra 1300s we'd like to put to use.

Next week, 80 T/Hash up and running! Smiley

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you can but the cables need to placed correctly  .

Hey Phillip,

Could you elaborate a bit?  Obviously we would run 4 x cables to each unit, and the split pairs running I assume to the same side of a single miner?

Just want to make sure we dont burn the server room down. Wink

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The 1300 would get pretty maxed out by any overclocking, but I can do 375MHz on a CS650M, which is a 612W rail. If your PSU doesnt have 8 discinct wires, be careful with how much load goes down a single wire. a 2-headed cable might get hot if it powers a single board (280-300W draw). using a 16awg or better splitter is likely better than using only 1 socket on a blade as it distributes the input amperage better.

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December 31, 2014, 09:26:40 PM
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Weve ordered 24 of these, should be here next week.

Phillip, a tremendous thanks for all the insight and noise fixes. Much appreciated.

Im assuming yes, but I take it there would be no issues running (2) of these off a single EVGA 1300G2 PSU?

Were adding this to our S3+ Farm, and we have a bunch of extra 1300s we'd like to put to use.

Next week, 80 T/Hash up and running! Smiley

Strato

you can but the cables need to placed correctly  .

Hey Phillip,

Could you elaborate a bit?  Obviously we would run 4 x cables to each unit, and the split pairs running I assume to the same side of a single miner?

Just want to make sure we dont burn the server room down. Wink

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The 1300 would get pretty maxed out by any overclocking, but I can do 375MHz on a CS650M, which is a 612W rail. If your PSU doesnt have 8 discinct wires, be careful with how much load goes down a single wire. a 2-headed cable might get hot if it powers a single board (280-300W draw). using a 16awg or better splitter is likely better than using only 1 socket on a blade as it distributes the input amperage better.

Good point indeed.

Would running our server room a few degrees cooler make a big difference?  We keep it at 65 F. I could bump it down to 62 or 61.

Also, wondering if anyone has given thought to putting together a blower / dryer exhaust hose system.

You can get a single industrial blower rated at 4000+ CFM, MacGyver a distro umbilical with 3" Dryer Hoses, which are super cheap, and easilly run 10x outputs off the blower giving each miner 400 CFM airflow. Using 1 large 18" air tube, you could place your blower away from your miners, or even outside if air temps are cold.

Just a thought! 

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December 31, 2014, 09:57:08 PM
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Weve ordered 24 of these, should be here next week.

Phillip, a tremendous thanks for all the insight and noise fixes. Much appreciated.

Im assuming yes, but I take it there would be no issues running (2) of these off a single EVGA 1300G2 PSU?

Were adding this to our S3+ Farm, and we have a bunch of extra 1300s we'd like to put to use.

Next week, 80 T/Hash up and running! Smiley

Strato

you can but the cables need to placed correctly  .

Hey Phillip,

Could you elaborate a bit?  Obviously we would run 4 x cables to each unit, and the split pairs running I assume to the same side of a single miner?

Just want to make sure we dont burn the server room down. Wink

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The 1300 would get pretty maxed out by any overclocking, but I can do 375MHz on a CS650M, which is a 612W rail. If your PSU doesnt have 8 discinct wires, be careful with how much load goes down a single wire. a 2-headed cable might get hot if it powers a single board (280-300W draw). using a 16awg or better splitter is likely better than using only 1 socket on a blade as it distributes the input amperage better.

Good point indeed.

Would running our server room a few degrees cooler make a big difference?  We keep it at 65 F. I could bump it down to 62 or 61.

Also, wondering if anyone has given thought to putting together a blower / dryer exhaust hose system.

You can get a single industrial blower rated at 4000+ CFM, MacGyver a distro umbilical with 3" Dryer Hoses, which are super cheap, and easilly run 10x outputs off the blower giving each miner 400 CFM airflow. Using 1 large 18" air tube, you could place your blower away from your miners, or even outside if air temps are cold.

Just a thought!  

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I am not sure that it would matter. I put my first S5 in front of a max airflow from Vornado fan (they are quite powerful)-and it did not cause much improvement in fan speed (still ~3.5 thou rpm even at setting 325). In the same conditions, S1 fan typically powered down to 1600-1800 rpm.
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December 31, 2014, 11:25:48 PM
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Weve ordered 24 of these, should be here next week.

Phillip, a tremendous thanks for all the insight and noise fixes. Much appreciated.

Im assuming yes, but I take it there would be no issues running (2) of these off a single EVGA 1300G2 PSU?

Were adding this to our S3+ Farm, and we have a bunch of extra 1300s we'd like to put to use.

Next week, 80 T/Hash up and running! Smiley

Strato

you can but the cables need to placed correctly  .

Hey Phillip,

Could you elaborate a bit?  Obviously we would run 4 x cables to each unit, and the split pairs running I assume to the same side of a single miner?

Just want to make sure we dont burn the server room down. Wink

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    ^                           ^
S     S                  S          S
D----D                  D--------D
   ^                            ^
 fan                          fan

Ant S-5 (1)         Ant S-5 (2)
                    

        

     evga 1300  g2


this method  above should result in the exact same draw for each board

 each board on the 2  units gets 1 single cable  

each  unit splits a dual on two boards.   if you clock at 350  and pull 1200 watts each of the six cables pull 200 watts.


below is wrong

  ^                         ^
S   D                   S    D
S   D                   S    D
  ^                        ^
fan                       fan
Ant s-5 (1)         Ant s-5 (2)
                 
      
   evga 1300g2

       ^
       ^

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this wiring   allows the left board of each miner  pull say 300 watts on 2  single cables = 150 watts a cable----okay

this wiring allows the right board  of each miner to pull say 300 watts on 1 double cable =  I melted my evga 1300 g2 why oh why did I do this?


A suggestion   set each miner at  freq 275  if you wire two to your  evga 1300 g2  feel all six cables after 5 minutes they should all feel the same.

bump to  287   feel all six cables after 5 minute they should all feel the same ----cool to warm

bump to 300 feel all six cables  after 5 miuntes they  "          "         "            '       '       '

do it till 325 or 331.

 maybe you can go up to 356  



 the evga 1300 g2 can do 3 s-3's  at 231 or 462 hash at about 1208 watts at the  kwatt meter.  you are pulling about 200 watts each cable .  i have done that for months at a time.

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December 31, 2014, 11:31:32 PM
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Can you translate the "S" and "D"
Single connection cable and double connection?
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December 31, 2014, 11:32:55 PM
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Hi Philip,

Good review so far.. I'm liking it better than I did in the first 24 hours.   I guess I was a little annoyed at everyone calling the miner a dud, before you made that proclaimation.. probably because I ordered one.

One thing is for sure, it sounds like its a noisy beast...

#1  Do you know what the stock CFM/RPM, etc is for the 12038 fan which is included.. and what its model number is, or a link to the specsheet?

I may have found a nice, quiet, pretty high cfm fan for a push/pull, or strictly pull configuration which would be sufficient for home mining. Looks like a great combo of watts, cfm, and noise levels.  How do you think it would fare on the S5 in terms of achieving proper cooling >1TH/s in terms of environmental requirements, room temp, or anything else you can think of.  I'm thinking this may be a nice upgrade for myself or anyone concerned with the sound levels of the miner.

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/AFB1212HHE-TP02/603-1212-ND/2034815


Delta Fan - AFB1212HHE-TP02
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VoltageRated 12VDC
Size / DimensionSquare 120mm L x 120mm H x 38mm W
Air Flow120.1 CFM (3.40m³/min)
FeaturesPWM Control; Speed Sensor (Tach)
Noise44 dB(A)
Power (Watts)4.80W
RPM2900 RPM
Termination4 Wire Leads
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December 31, 2014, 11:37:33 PM
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Can you translate the "S" and "D"
Single connection cable and double connection?


yes so the left board has 1 single and shares 1 double

the right board has 1 single and shares that  same double.

four plugs into 1 miner and 3 cables into the psu

the 1 miner pulls  about 580 watts across 3 cables about 200 a cable

the load is balance correctly since each board shares the double cable.


@RchGrav   that fan is one step below this fan a little less air a little quieter


http://www.ebay.com/itm/191443200211


which sold out in under 6 hours since I posted about it in this thread.

you pick or the one above should work.  the one above is gone.  hell maybe mix one of each.

I had the 3 pin version of yours it ran at 2800 or 3000 it was okay  I did some testing early but it was not a pwm.

It cooled better then the noctua cools.  it was noiser then the noctua

it cooled worse then the stock fan.  it was quieter then the stock fan.

So if you get the pwm version cheap why not? the worse case is you will need to run the s-5 at 331 or 325 not 350.

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December 31, 2014, 11:48:39 PM
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Thanks for this review. I will put this into effect when selecting my next gen miners. I don't think noise concerns me too much since I run them outdoors but hey the less noise the better.

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Thanks for this review. I will put this into effect when selecting my next gen miners. I don't think noise concerns me too much since I run them outdoors but hey the less noise the better.

you are welcome and of course if the noise has no meaning  to you it is a good miner.

 with ten miners in my home and a pretty happy wife  I have to keep noise at least okay.

It took 2 years to show her I make a few bucks doing this with a possible upside of more to come.  So letting it sound half way okay is worth it to me.

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January 01, 2015, 12:29:45 AM
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Thanks for this review. I will put this into effect when selecting my next gen miners. I don't think noise concerns me too much since I run them outdoors but hey the less noise the better.

you are welcome and of course if the noise has no meaning  to you it is a good miner.

 with ten miners in my home and a pretty happy wife  I have to keep noise at least okay.

It took 2 years to show her I make a few bucks doing this with a possible upside of more to come.  So letting it sound half way okay is worth it to me.

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@RchGrav   that fan is one step below this fan a little less air a little quieter


http://www.ebay.com/itm/191443200211


which sold out in under 6 hours since I posted about it in this thread.

you pick or the one above should work.  the one above is gone.  hell maybe mix one of each.

I had the 3 pin version of yours it ran at 2800 or 3000 it was okay  I did some testing early but it was not a pwm.

It cooled better then the noctua cools.  it was noiser then the noctua

it cooled worse then the stock fan.  it was quieter then the stock fan.

So if you get the pwm version cheap why not? the worse case is you will need to run the s-5 at 331 or 325 not 350.

Can you get the numbers on the existing fan by any chance?

Or .. what CFM do you think is actually required by the miner to run at stock frequency under normal environmental conditions?

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January 01, 2015, 01:02:23 AM
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Hi i'm new on this. I have a real interest to bring a couple of S5 home but i have a concern about the no íes issue. I have read the thread and see that it's possible to reduce the noise lowering the fan volts or changing the fan but i don't now so much about cooling systems.

 So can i get any recomendation? I plan to put it in my living room and i my home temp is about 20c whole year, Thank you!

The PWM configuration of the S5 is not good for home use, but if you have a molex-3/4pin adapter that can provide 5V or 7V, it becomes managable.
The SP20 is a similar volume when set to similar specs, but has room to run much faster if you are okay with noise, or slower if you want better efficiency.

Its a close call, and I think the deciding factor is price. AT $500 w/ shipping the SP20 groupbuy is a better deal, but the 3/$1900 pack (~$630 each) loses to the S5.



Thanks for your answer! I have read your review of the Sp20 and definitely it's a close call. I can find an adapter, so i an try that.  

In matter of prices the best option it's the sp20 group@500$ each w/free shipping but its no longer available. So my i'll see my chances with S5. It cost about 510$ w/shipping to my country.

I'll Keep looking for mod, i think that 60 dB it's fine for me.

See if you can find this fan in your country

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Delta-AFB1212SHE-Computer-Case-Power-Fan-120X120mm-Lot-of-5-/191443200211?pt=US_Computer_Case_Fans&hash=item2c92e768d3

note it is a four pin pwm model.  I mentioned this  sale  a few post back right here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=907219.msg9994638#msg9994638



and the seller is really  selling them quickly here on usa ebay.

  Thank you! I'll take a look. Maybe i can find something similar Here. 

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@RchGrav   that fan is one step below this fan a little less air a little quieter


http://www.ebay.com/itm/191443200211


which sold out in under 6 hours since I posted about it in this thread.

you pick or the one above should work.  the one above is gone.  hell maybe mix one of each.

I had the 3 pin version of yours it ran at 2800 or 3000 it was okay  I did some testing early but it was not a pwm.

It cooled better then the noctua cools.  it was noiser then the noctua

it cooled worse then the stock fan.  it was quieter then the stock fan.

So if you get the pwm version cheap why not? the worse case is you will need to run the s-5 at 331 or 325 not 350.

Can you get the numbers on the existing fan by any chance?

Or .. what CFM do you think is actually required by the miner to run at stock frequency under normal environmental conditions?
  I had a 3000 rpm fixed speed  3 pin delta delta it was between 2800 and 3000 rpm . quieter then the stock and kept the gear cool enough to go to freq 350.  I think it is 148 cfm at 3000 rpm

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I had a 3000 rpm fixed speed  3 pin delta delta it was between 2800 and 3000 rpm . quieter then the stock and kept the gear cool enough to go to freq 350.  I think it is 148 cfm at 3000 rpm

Any idea on the model number of that fan?  Trying to go by CFM and dBA on spec sheets I'm scouring... and when I start spec hunting I tend to go overboard.

and well... I went a little crazy...

I ordered a ridiculous SAN ACE 120 fan model 9SX1212P1K001.. (available from Mouser, Newark, Element14, Farnell, Arrow and Sager)

Here is a video of an older model Aluminum Sanyo Denki 6000 RPM fan...  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTdD5FXlrsk

The operation range of this fan is 15% PWM which is 2600RPM/88.2CFM @ 37dB to 100% PWM which is 7400RPM/257.7CFM @ 66dB

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For those looking at aftermarket fans, the Silverstone isn't the only 140mm fan with 120mm fan holes (although it's the only one 38mm thick and probably the best), there are a few others.  Those will move more air at a lower RPM causing less noise.  One thing you may need with some aftermarket fans though that I've learned is that the screws sticking out of the front and back can cause interference with the blades, so something like these can help.  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NODDHLY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Here are a few of the fans I've found.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Q8RLCBU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1  shipped from China so they haven't arrived yet.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0078IWS6Q/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1  white LED and good airflow but not as quiet as others.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B1WQ4VA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 if you happen to need a shorter fan, not high airflow but pretty quiet.  Optional Static Booster:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HRJ550W/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1  which makes it as thick as a typical one so this option isn't really useful.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00G8GUE74/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1  Similar to the Prolimatech above but spins a little faster.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835856013&cm_re=140mm_fan_120mm-_-35-856-013-_-Product  Quiet but not a lot of airflow.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835856015&cm_re=140mm_fan_120mm-_-35-856-015-_-Product  Same as above.

Some of these are right up to the bottom of the network port on AntMiners, so you should use network cables without boots / connector sleeves like these:  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E5I7VJQ/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1  
Or you may have to shave a bit off the fan frame.
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For those looking at aftermarket fans, the Silverstone isn't the only 140mm fan with 120mm fan holes (although it's the only one 38mm thick and probably the best), there are a few others.  Those will move more air at a lower RPM causing less noise.  One thing you may need with some aftermarket fans though that I've learned is that the screws sticking out of the front and back can cause interference with the blades, so something like these can help.  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NODDHLY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Here are a few of the fans I've found.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Q8RLCBU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1  shipped from China so they haven't arrived yet.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0078IWS6Q/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1  white LED and good airflow but not as quiet as others.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B1WQ4VA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 if you happen to need a shorter fan, not high airflow but pretty quiet.  Optional Static Booster:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HRJ550W/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1  which makes it as thick as a typical one so this option isn't really useful.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00G8GUE74/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1  Similar to the Prolimatech above but spins a little faster.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835856013&cm_re=140mm_fan_120mm-_-35-856-013-_-Product  Quiet but not a lot of airflow.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835856015&cm_re=140mm_fan_120mm-_-35-856-015-_-Product  Same as above.

Some of these are right up to the bottom of the network port on AntMiners, so you should use network cables without boots / connector sleeves like these:  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E5I7VJQ/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1  
Or you may have to shave a bit off the fan frame.

 

yeah it will be a guessing game to get the correct   fan/price/sound/cfm   frankly bitmain had them before us and could have done some more sound tests.  the stock fan has no marks.  it moves a ton of air (150 cfm or more)    but runs at 3600 to 3800 rpm.  it is fine in a garage not attached. or I guess use a speed controller on it.

 push noctua is 2700 rpm pull silverstone is 1900 rpm -  not quite cool as I would like. considering I am letting outside air at -5c into the room via the window,  but 381 freq is giving 1250 gh at 621 watts plus powering the 2 fans. Sound is really good. cost is too high 24 + 16 = 40 and it went up  to 24+20 = 44

HW's are decent.  Would I run this setup 24/7/365  yeah if I was running 1 or 2 s-5's   but if I had 20 or 30 no.  I think I am just a bit too hot see below.


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it moves a ton of air (150 cfm or more)    but runs at 3600 to 3800 rpm.  it is fine in a garage not attached. or I guess use a speed controller on it.

 push noctua is 2700 rpm pull silverstone is 1900 rpm -  not quite cool as I would like. considering I am letting outside air at -5c into the room via the window,  but 381 freq is giving 1250 gh at 621 watts plus powering the 2 fans. Sound is really good. cost is too high 24 + 16 = 40 and it went up  to 24+20 = 44

HW's are decent.  Would I run this setup 24/7/365  yeah if I was running 1 or 2 s-5's   but if I had 20 or 30 no.  I think I am just a bit too hot see below.

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One point-stock fan does not move that much air comparing with SP20 at a low 30 setting. The choice of the fan clearly was not right, since the S5 fan even at 325 (hashing at 1070gh) is MUCH louder than the SP20 fan is at setting 30 (hashing at 1360Gh).
Very much looking forward to see how Noctua-Noctua (expensive at ~$48) or Noctua-Delta ($32) fan combos will work.
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 I am going to lock this thread and lock my sp20 review thread maybe on monday.

I am going to sell this to a forum member that lives a few miles from me along with a sp20.

I am done testing it and will give it to him with the stock fan on the side.

  I will install my delta 3 pin and run that .  it is louder then the noctua - silverstone in use, but it cools better.

I have the 4 pin deltas coming to my house  on monday.

  I will give him a pair and ask him to test them.

I would buy these if I needed miners. (I have 8 sp20's)

I may buy 2 of these in a bit if the price drops.

My home is suited to run 7 to 9 sp20's and 1-3 s-5's.

  If you are an established miner that has used s-1's or s-3's and you want to upgrade I suggest  
2 s-5's and 2 sp20's.  I think that would be 900 for a pair of s-5's shipped to the usa and 1020 for a pair of sp20's shipped to the usa.  

  To bitmaintech thank you for the miner  and it was a pretty good miner,  but better fans would have been smarter for you to do.

532 watts 1073 gh  = .496 per gh

clock at 325
push noctua 2640 rpm  pull silverstone  1800 rpm.--quiet

 a little bit warm.
hw's good


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