THIS IS THE REAL MOREIA!! PLEASE HELP ME!!!!

[MadZ]

Am I the only one who finds it extremely unlikely that Moreia just happened to randomly attach an email to his account that someone related to Bitcointalk happened to own? Assuming it wasn't posted publicly, unless I'm missing something, the only two people who should have had access to the email name are Moreia and redsn0w. Are people really believing that some random third party was the culprit here? Come on.

On one of the many threads about this fiasco it was pointed out that the email was displayed publicly so someone could have hacked the email address that was displayed.

Is there proof of this?

I'm not sure what the exact communication between redsn0w and moreia was, but it appears moreia explicitly stated beforehand that the email was invalid and not under his control. Assuming redsn0w was not the one who set the account's email information to public, this is mostly moreia's fault. Anyone could have taken control of the account after he did this, even if redsn0w planned on changing the email in the future.

The proof is in this thread.

I have figured it out
Last escrow, you switched email privacy to Public to show the account was in escrow
I changed the email to random characters, someone on this forum saw it and tried to recover the account by registering the email and recovering the password

This seems plausible.

For as long Moreia was in control of his own account, his security settings are his concern and his concern only. When an escrow is holding collateral it is their responsibility to keep the collateral secure while they are holding it. This includes changing certain settings that would cause it to be vulnerable to getting hacked.

That does not count as proof, it is in moreia's best interest to have said that because it clears him of all responsibility for what was posted on his account. As theymos said, it is a plausible explanation, but I would not take moreia's word as proof. Keep in mind that redsn0w claims that he did not set the email to public, nor was it public when he received the account:

I just missed one part: How did redsn0w regain control over the acc?

The troll posted this : https://i.imgur.com/qABTCrH.jpg   and I quickly changed the password , email & forum question.

was it publicly displayed?

Now  yes , before I don't think it was visible.

Also, please have the decency to respond on your charlieSeen account, even if you want to farm activity on both of them.

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[Zombier0]

Red should pay 0.8 formthe fail,and we are done fo thisndrama

[MadZ]

Red should pay 0.8 formthe fail,and we are done fo thisndrama

Why is this? He has recovered the collateral and will be returning it to moreia once he repays the loan in 6 days.

[moreia_alt]

Am I the only one who finds it extremely unlikely that Moreia just happened to randomly attach an email to his account that someone related to Bitcointalk happened to own? Assuming it wasn't posted publicly, unless I'm missing something, the only two people who should have had access to the email name are Moreia and redsn0w. Are people really believing that some random third party was the culprit here? Come on.

On one of the many threads about this fiasco it was pointed out that the email was displayed publicly so someone could have hacked the email address that was displayed.

Is there proof of this?

I'm not sure what the exact communication between redsn0w and moreia was, but it appears moreia explicitly stated beforehand that the email was invalid and not under his control. Assuming redsn0w was not the one who set the account's email information to public, this is mostly moreia's fault. Anyone could have taken control of the account after he did this, even if redsn0w planned on changing the email in the future.

The proof is in this thread.

I have figured it out
Last escrow, you switched email privacy to Public to show the account was in escrow
I changed the email to random characters, someone on this forum saw it and tried to recover the account by registering the email and recovering the password

This seems plausible.

For as long Moreia was in control of his own account, his security settings are his concern and his concern only. When an escrow is holding collateral it is their responsibility to keep the collateral secure while they are holding it. This includes changing certain settings that would cause it to be vulnerable to getting hacked.

No,
I did not give permission to redsn0w nor did he notify me about changing the email settings to public
Besides, the rogue took place AFTER redsn0w took control meaning he should have changed the email in the first place as general escrow procedure
I am not at fault here. Im just grateful he recovered the account

[screwUdriver]

No,
I did not give permission to redsn0w nor did he notify me about changing the email settings to public
Besides, the rogue took place AFTER redsn0w took control meaning he should have changed the email in the first place as general escrow procedure
I am not at fault here. Im just grateful he recovered the account

So are you claiming that when you gave the password to redsn0w the email details were hidden/private? If this is the case and redsn0w agrees then this incident would fall entirely on him. If he disputes it then it would fall mostly on him, but still on you somewhat.

FWIW he does have the email set to be public although it is set to an email address that no one can potentially create

[hilariousandco]

I'm think I'm sufficient competent, because I'm learning from my mistake/forgetfulness; but someone make me really trouble. Thanks again to the community.

What happens when your mistakes/forgetfulness cost someone a lot of bitcoin or the admins don't step in (which they luckily did for you in this case) and the account is forever ruined or perma banned? Can and are you prepared to foot the bill? You need to take that into consideration because being an escrow isn't a responsiblity or worry-free job as people are depending on you for a smooth and safe transaction and you need to be able to guarantee this from your end.

[screwUdriver]

I'm think I'm sufficient competent, because I'm learning from my mistake/forgetfulness; but someone make me really trouble. Thanks again to the community.

What happens when your mistakes/forgetfulness cost someone a lot of bitcoin or the admins don't step in (which they luckily did for you in this case) and the account is forever ruined or perma banned? Can and are you prepared to foot the bill? You need to take that into consideration because being an escrow isn't a responsiblity or worry-free job as people are depending on you for a smooth and safe transaction and you need to be able to guarantee this from your end.

From the looks of it many inexperienced traders seem to think that being escrow is a very easy job with zero responsibility nor worries. When people like Dabs or tomatocage handle an escrow a lot goes on behind the scenes that cannot be seen by the public.

I would say that you were essentially given a free pass in this situation and doubt that BadBear will make it a regular habbit to unban accounts that are suppose to be in your control.

There are people that will try to scam even when using escrow and it is up to the escrow to catch and stop these scams.

[devthedev]

I'm think I'm sufficient competent, because I'm learning from my mistake/forgetfulness; but someone make me really trouble. Thanks again to the community.

What happens when your mistakes/forgetfulness cost someone a lot of bitcoin or the admins don't step in (which they luckily did for you in this case) and the account is forever ruined or perma banned? Can and are you prepared to foot the bill? You need to take that into consideration because being an escrow isn't a responsiblity or worry-free job as people are depending on you for a smooth and safe transaction and you need to be able to guarantee this from your end.

That's the only way to do it. If someone asks you to provide escrow for their transaction and you lose the collateral or fail to secure the transaction, you're responsible.

[Nikolai]

No,
I did not give permission to redsn0w nor did he notify me about changing the email settings to public
Besides, the rogue took place AFTER redsn0w took control meaning he should have changed the email in the first place as general escrow procedure
I am not at fault here. Im just grateful he recovered the account

So are you claiming that when you gave the password to redsn0w the email details were hidden/private? If this is the case and redsn0w agrees then this incident would fall entirely on him. If he disputes it then it would fall mostly on him, but still on you somewhat.

FWIW he does have the email set to be public although it is set to an email address that no one can potentially create

What I got from all this is that redsn0w previously held that account as collateral, set the email to public, returned it, did not change the setting back, so it's been public since then, and moriea was unaware. If that's what happened then that's a big failure on redsn0w's part, to change someone's account settings in that way and not return it to it's original settings as the owner left it, and not inform them.

It's also disturbing that redsn0w is taking it upon himself to close the original moriea's loan request thread, along with all the others, under the guise of stopping spam. Closing the fake moriea's threads is one thing, but closing moriea's own threads, and demanding the lender find another way to contact him is not cool at all.

I'm sure redsn0w is a nice guy and all, but he has shown poor judgement, incompetence, and is not fit to act as escrow. He got really lucky that things worked out the way they did. If moriea hadn't gotten banned, if he hadn't gave the account away, if he hadn't been unbanned, he would have been screwed. And the way he is going on blaming others, I'm sure he would have found a way to say it wasn't his fault and not paid up as he should have.

[screwUdriver]

No,
I did not give permission to redsn0w nor did he notify me about changing the email settings to public
Besides, the rogue took place AFTER redsn0w took control meaning he should have changed the email in the first place as general escrow procedure
I am not at fault here. Im just grateful he recovered the account

So are you claiming that when you gave the password to redsn0w the email details were hidden/private? If this is the case and redsn0w agrees then this incident would fall entirely on him. If he disputes it then it would fall mostly on him, but still on you somewhat.

FWIW he does have the email set to be public although it is set to an email address that no one can potentially create

What I got from all this is that redsn0w previously held that account as collateral, set the email to public, returned it, did not change the setting back, so it's been public since then, and moriea was unaware. If that's what happened then that's a big failure on redsn0w's part, to change someone's account settings in that way and not return it to it's original settings as the owner left it, and not inform them.

It's also disturbing that redsn0w is taking it upon himself to close the original moriea's loan request thread, along with all the others, under the guise of stopping spam. Closing the fake moriea's threads is one thing, but closing moriea's own threads, and demanding the lender find another way to contact him is unacceptable behavior.

I'm sure redsn0w is a nice guy and all, but he has shown poor judgement, incompetence, and is not fit to act as escrow. He got really lucky that things worked out the way they did. If moriea hadn't gotten banned, if he hadn't gave the account away, if he hadn't been unbanned, he would have been screwed. And the way he is going on blaming others, I'm sure he would have found a way to say it wasn't his fault and not paid up as he should have.

I think one thing that worked to redsn0w's advantage is that he did not have to answer the question of if he would make good on his mistake (although he was asked several times). His response seemed to be that it was an "involuntary" mistake ( ). My interpretation of his response was that he did not plan on repaying the lender for his mistake.

I would say that even the fake threads did have legitimate conversation and would be appropriate to continue discussion. I personally have seen redsn0w spam more then anyone who had posted in any of the threads he locked (there really was not very much spam in any of the ones that I saw). I would almost say it would be appropriate for a mod to unlock the threads and to ban the account until it is time to release it to the proper owner (who depends on if the loan gets repaid), or alternatively changing escrows to someone like BadBear who is less likely to mess up (upon consent of both parties involved, which I would doubt they would have a problem with giving)

I would also agree that he is a very nice person, however the bitcoin world is cut-throat (even more so then the "real" world is) and people will be very willing to take advantage of one's incompetence.

[hilariousandco]

It's also disturbing that redsn0w is taking it upon himself to close the original moriea's loan request thread, along with all the others, under the guise of stopping spam. Closing the fake moriea's threads is one thing, but closing moriea's own threads, and demanding the lender find another way to contact him is unacceptable behavior.

Wait, he's closing threads started by others? How? Who is in control of what accounts now and who is the 'fake moriea'? The person who hacked the original account, but that account is now back under the control of redsnow?

[Quickseller]

It's also disturbing that redsn0w is taking it upon himself to close the original moriea's loan request thread, along with all the others, under the guise of stopping spam. Closing the fake moriea's threads is one thing, but closing moriea's own threads, and demanding the lender find another way to contact him is unacceptable behavior.

Wait, he's closing threads started by others? How? Who is in control of what accounts now and who is the 'fake moriea'? The person who hacked the original account, but that account is now back under the control of redsnow?

Someone hacked Moriea's account and created bunch of threads that made redsn0w look bad. When redsn0w was eventually able to recover access to the account he locked the threads via the moreia account. A list of the threads is here

[redsn0w]

Thanks for the opinion now all went smoothly, but I think I will never know who made all this epic trolling.

My first stupid mistake and someone tried to ruin my reputation, I don't know : why?

[hilariousandco]

Thanks for the opinion now all went smoothly, but I think I will never know who made all this epic trolling.

My first stupid mistake and someone tried to ruin my reputation, I don't know : why?

But it didn't go smoothly, did it? Far from it. You almost ruined your own rep by your own mistake so this can't be blamed on others. Escrows are used to protect against this sort of stuff.

[MadZ]

I'm think I'm sufficient competent, because I'm learning from my mistake/forgetfulness; but someone make me really trouble. Thanks again to the community.

What happens when your mistakes/forgetfulness cost someone a lot of bitcoin or the admins don't step in (which they luckily did for you in this case) and the account is forever ruined or perma banned? Can and are you prepared to foot the bill? You need to take that into consideration because being an escrow isn't a responsiblity or worry-free job as people are depending on you for a smooth and safe transaction and you need to be able to guarantee this from your end.

That's the only way to do it. If someone asks you to provide escrow for their transaction and you lose the collateral or fail to secure the transaction, you're responsible.

Unfortunately this is the risk with providing escrow, which is why most charge a fee. I'm surprised yours is still free, but you seem to be aware of your responsibilities.

[redsn0w]

Thanks for the opinion now all went smoothly, but I think I will never know who made all this epic trolling.

My first stupid mistake and someone tried to ruin my reputation, I don't know : why?

But it didn't go smoothly, did it? Far from it. You almost ruined your own rep by your own mistake so this can't be blamed on others. Escrows are used to protect against this sort of stuff.

I didn't ruin my reputation I'm still here and providing my escrow service. If I was not "honest" yesterday I was not interested to solve the situation but I tried to resolve it and now all went smoothly.


I've always changed all the credentials but this time I forgot to do because I've seen random letters email.

[redsn0w]

moreia_alt can you sign a new message with a date of today from the btc address where you received the  loan (0.80 BTC)?

[Minnlo]

Redsn0w ADMITTED to taking control of my account.

Sorry for be offtopic, but i am so curious. Is this regular escrow ( or whatever service redsnow was doing) procedure, to give someone your forum account password?

When you want to borrow some bitcoin, you will need to give some collateral to the lender except in rare cases that the lender trusts you so much. Since there is an active market of bitcointalk account, some lenders accept bitcointalk accounts as a form of loan collateral.

[kpitti]

I was lending moreia before and I am watching this situation very carefully. There was written to much and I believe no one can exactly explain what happen and why. Except that one who was posting in name of moreia yesterday.

What I can confirm that in this Loan request: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=901169.0 everything went good. I was watching moreia's account in this period (it was under control of escrow that time) and he was off for couple of days until he re-payed to me.

I can confirm that moreia was using for repayment announcement this acount:
moreia_alt

I can't judge here, but I feel I need to post here just to share my good experience in contrast what I see now.

[hilariousandco]

Thanks for the opinion now all went smoothly, but I think I will never know who made all this epic trolling.

My first stupid mistake and someone tried to ruin my reputation, I don't know : why?

But it didn't go smoothly, did it? Far from it. You almost ruined your own rep by your own mistake so this can't be blamed on others. Escrows are used to protect against this sort of stuff.

I didn't ruin my reputation I'm still here and providing my escrow service. If I was not "honest" yesterday I was not interested to solve the situation but I tried to resolve it and now all went smoothly.


I've always changed all the credentials but this time I forgot to do because I've seen random letters email.

I said almost ruined. You're not providing much of a escrow service if things like this can happen. People use you to ensure things like this don't happen so it didn't go smoothly regardless of it all being worked out now. You can't fuck something up then claim it all went smoothly especially when someone else largely sorted it out for you. What happens when the admins don't have your back when you make another mistake, one that is more costly? Would you foot the bill out of your own pocket? And it's not about honesty, but trustworthiness. You obviously did what you had to do to try resolve the situation because you had to for the sake of your rep, but what will happen if you lost access to a higher ranked account and/or the funds? Would you be able to get yourself out of that unscathed? That's when we wil see how trustworthy you are. You got lucky this time but only really due to BadBear otherwise you would've been responsible for remedying the situation and repaying funds and we don't know whether you would or not, so again, the escrow didn't go smoothly here but the exact opposite.