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July 30, 2012, 05:56:21 PM
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This is how I read the following post:

I would have posted here sooner but, in fact, I just learned about this thread.  My "trip report" has already been copied.  As Goat said, with a little thought I had figured out what he was doing before I went.  I went for a good time - and had one.  We did talk "business" a bit and that was fun.  I do appreciate the long post from The Joint because it is genuine and not just another "this is an obvious ponzi, I know everything, you are all stupid" post so I promise to answer the questions in it but I have to go to my day job now.

I met pirate, he is real and legit and I will answer ANY questions you'd like..

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I will quickly give you the simple stategy I used to figure it out.  If you try to figure out what he does and how it works from the assumption that it is impossible then, well, you obviously will never figure it out.  When I re-read everything he has ever posted from the working assumption that what he is doing is possible this left my mind open and able to figure it out.  Just do that, assume it is possible, go to his profile, read every post.  Try it.

..but hey, you don't really need my answer, you can find them yourself, you just have to believe it's possible to be legit and pay what pirate pays. Now have faith and go read his every post..

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How much he reveals or does not reveal (and he actually reveals a lot) is up to him.  So no, I will not reveal what it is.  Get off you lazy ass and figure it out for yourself just like I did.

..in fact, I wont even tell you anything because it's that easy to "figure it out", and if you can't, well then that's pirates decision and your just SOL...

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One final note: eventually others will figure it out, do it, and with competition we can all say goodbye to the great returns.  You all know where I stand.  I will use this window of opportunity and I offer the opportunity to others thought the PPT.x bond system.  If you don't want to invest then don't.  If you do invest in anything, Facebook, Google, BS&T, US treasury bonds, don't ever invest more than you can afford to lose - there is risk in every investment.

.. so you see, it's all transparent really which is why you only have a limited time to take advantage of this excellent "opportunity" so go on, call 080-pirate-ponzi now, and "invest" your money ASAP. But don't say we didn't warn you, you might lose everything because it actually is a ponzi.. but hey, you can lose money doing anything, right? Why not lose it with us..

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Carry on with your ponzi shill screaming now, I am sure that is enough fodder to keep you going for a few days.

EDIT:  a little more specific on the frame of mind to be in when you read the posts.  Your answer must be totally allowed by all US law and something your wife, who is an attorney for the sake of this exercise, would not only let you do but would endorse.

Hint: you must really really believe it and don't tell it to anyone otherwise it wont come true..  


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July 30, 2012, 06:33:04 PM
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Cant wait for next years snub!  Smiley   Im excited...

After this I will be sure to invest all my money with all of you guys and your businesses, your truly a stand up crowd, and Im glad you ultimately showed your social attitudes to people outside your little clique..

I have all the information I need..  Cheers..



PS. I wasnt here to witch hunt anyone, specially not Pirate, I was here to talk with some of the more outspoken bitcoiners, this is what I love to do, and of the few I did meet, I loved every minute of it..  Its a shame we all couldnt have sat down together.





On another note..

I bought a Cas Coin, I like it, looks nice, I'd like to add.
Didnt mind paying 15 bucks for it either..  It came in handy talking about bitcoin..
Some people just need to see something physical.

Im not lumping Cassasius into the elitism crowd, I just would have like to met you..  Wink

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July 30, 2012, 06:37:23 PM
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Cant wait for next years snub!  Smiley   Im excited...

After this I will be sure to invest all my money with all of you guys and your businesses, your truly a stand up crowd, and Im glad you ultimately showed your social attitudes to people outside your little clique..

I have all the information I need..  Cheers..

teflone: is this sarcastic or not? tone doesn't transfer well on the internetz.

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July 30, 2012, 06:38:51 PM
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Cant wait for next years snub!  Smiley   Im excited...

After this I will be sure to invest all my money with all of you guys and your businesses, your truly a stand up crowd, and Im glad you ultimately showed your social attitudes to people outside your little clique..

I have all the information I need..  Cheers..

teflone: is this sarcastic or not? tone doesn't transfer well on the internetz.
He's upset.

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July 30, 2012, 06:39:54 PM
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Cant wait for next years snub!  Smiley   Im excited...

After this I will be sure to invest all my money with all of you guys and your businesses, your truly a stand up crowd, and Im glad you ultimately showed your social attitudes to people outside your little clique..

I have all the information I need..  Cheers..

teflone: is this sarcastic or not? tone doesn't transfer well on the internetz.

Why would he seriously be excited to be snubbed?

Hint: yes, it's sarcastic

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July 30, 2012, 07:04:42 PM
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Okay, here's a different question:

Has anyone who isn't affiliated with a pirate pass-through of some sort come forward and said that they met him in Vegas?
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July 30, 2012, 07:06:37 PM
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Okay, here's a different question:

Has anyone who isn't affiliated with a pirate pass-through of some sort come forward and said that they met him in Vegas?

Cmon dude, he was there. This isn't Oliver Stone's JFK.
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July 30, 2012, 07:11:59 PM
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Okay, here's a different question:

Has anyone who isn't affiliated with a pirate pass-through of some sort come forward and said that they met him in Vegas?

I'm affiliated with a pass through and I did not meet him in Vegas.

Does that help?

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July 30, 2012, 07:13:32 PM
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Okay, here's a different question:

Has anyone who isn't affiliated with a pirate pass-through of some sort come forward and said that they met him in Vegas?

Cmon dude, he was there. This isn't Oliver Stone's JFK.

really honest bob? It seems a relevant question, regardless of whether he was there or not...

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July 30, 2012, 07:17:35 PM
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Okay, here's a different question:

Has anyone who isn't affiliated with a pirate pass-through of some sort come forward and said that they met him in Vegas?

Cmon dude, he was there. This isn't Oliver Stone's JFK.

really honest bob? It seems a relevant question, regardless of whether he was there or not...

Not trying to be rude, sorry.

But it seems like it's only a relevant question if everyone who says they saw him are actually in a massive conspiracy, and Pirate never showed. Which is not the case.
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July 30, 2012, 07:22:48 PM
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More relevant is who he showed to and what kind of environment it was. Conmen are masters at managing their environment, and it seems like he excluded a person (teflone) who wasn't even particularly antagonistic. I'm not arguing that you or giga/etc didn't see pirate in Vegas, I'm just trying to understand if any new information was actually gained. Right now, it seems no.

edit: also, I fail to see how you mentioning a girlfriend being present is at all relevant...

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July 30, 2012, 07:25:43 PM
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Okay, here's a different question:

Has anyone who isn't affiliated with a pirate pass-through of some sort come forward and said that they met him in Vegas?

Cmon dude, he was there. This isn't Oliver Stone's JFK.

really honest bob? It seems a relevant question, regardless of whether he was there or not...
I think there is a list of everyone that was there up in the thread.  Do you trust any of them?  One of the guys brought his girlfriend with him.  I talked to her a bit.  She was very level headed and very intelligent.  Would you trust her?
It's a very simple question:

"Has anyone who isn't affiliated with a pirate pass-through of some sort come forward and said that they met him in Vegas?"

Right now I'm forced to assume that the answer is no.

More relevant is who he showed to and what kind of environment it was. Conmen are masters at managing their environment, and it seems like he excluded a person (teflone) who wasn't even particularly antagonistic. I'm not arguing that you or giga/etc didn't see pirate in Vegas, I'm just trying to understand if any new information was actually gained. Right now, it seems no.

edit: also, I fail to see how you mentioning a girlfriend being present is at all relevant...
Also this.
At the end of the day, this guy is handling millions of dollars of other people's money.
I don't see why there should be an issue with a little transparency if everything's on the level.

Okay, here's a different question:

Has anyone who isn't affiliated with a pirate pass-through of some sort come forward and said that they met him in Vegas?

Cmon dude, he was there. This isn't Oliver Stone's JFK.

really honest bob? It seems a relevant question, regardless of whether he was there or not...

Not trying to be rude, sorry.

But it seems like it's only a relevant question if everyone who says they saw him are actually in a massive conspiracy, and Pirate never showed. Which is not the case.
I was looking at it more along the lines of "Did he show his face to anyone who isn't directly involved and profiting from the spread of his scheme?"
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July 30, 2012, 07:50:44 PM
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Okay, here's a different question:

Has anyone who isn't affiliated with a pirate pass-through of some sort come forward and said that they met him in Vegas?

I will corroborate the claims of GigaVPS, Burt, etc., that they met me, and transitively, I met a person who may be Pirate and met the reasonable standards of identification of the person most commonly associated with that forum username.  I do not manage a pass-through.
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Thankyou for going some way towards answering my question rather than attacking me for practising due diligence  Roll Eyes
Well that's something I guess.

Truth is, I'd love to get rates of >5% weekly on my coins, but I have a long-standing policy that if I'm going to give someone serious cash (Let's say, more than a week's pay) then I need enough information that I can either sue them if it all goes wrong or head over to their house with a cricket bat  Wink
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July 30, 2012, 07:55:55 PM
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Howdy,

I'll be in Las Vegas July 27th through July 29th with some of the biggest names in Bitcoin.  If you're in the area drop by and we can all chat.  Contact me for details if you're interested.

P.S. Private security will be present so no fishy business. Tongue

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July 30, 2012, 08:13:01 PM
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Sweet.
Thankyou for going some way towards answering my question rather than attacking me for practising due diligence  Roll Eyes
Well that's something I guess.

Truth is, I'd love to get rates of >5% weekly on my coins, but I have a long-standing policy that if I'm going to give someone serious cash (Let's say, more than a week's pay) then I need enough information that I can either sue them if it all goes wrong or head over to their house with a cricket bat  Wink

While neither of those remedies would work in this case, if I were to offer a PPT or subaccounts, the rates would be much, much lower than those offered by other PPTs.  I would only offer insured deposits, which would necessarily incur costs that would have to be taken from the returns.  Competing with PPTs offering 7% (so a rising tide lifts all boats) would not be possible.  With a tiny bit of actuarial math and market analysis, I'd probably offer terms in the 1%-3% range, possibly rising as the 'premium' covers the principal.  Still a fine return, but you can insure yourself just as easily if you're willing to take the "risk" of 7% and pull your initial deposit.

Others have floated the idea of less-exposed debt instruments, and that would be where my interests would lie.

If you fully insure a PPT at 3% a week starting off, I would invest Smiley
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July 30, 2012, 08:55:38 PM
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Okay, here's a different question:

Has anyone who isn't affiliated with a pirate pass-through of some sort come forward and said that they met him in Vegas?

I will corroborate the claims of GigaVPS, Burt, etc., that they met me, and transitively, I met a person who may be Pirate and met the reasonable standards of identification of the person most commonly associated with that forum username.  I do not manage a pass-through.

The most level-headed and unambiguous statement in this thread thus far. I feel there was some actual effort made to say something useful that can be taken at face value. Thank you, reeses

As Reeses' identity is fairly well known, this statement, and his credibility, carry some substantial weight with me. As such, if he were to offer a 100% insured PPT that offers 3%, I'd be on board.
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July 30, 2012, 09:46:11 PM
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As Reeses' identity is fairly well known, this statement, and his credibility, carry some substantial weight with me. As such, if he were to offer a 100% insured PPT that offers 3%, I'd be on board.

At least wait until there has been a delay-free payment from BS&T again. For all I can see, this time all interest payments are delayed, as in still missing.

All I can think of when I read reeses is the quote "I will crap in your face and then describe unto you the ways to clean my fundament". I see he deleted it along with a whole set of insulting and derailing posts in that bet thread... just like Goat in this. lol -- the "conversation" looks even weirder now, if that's possible.
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July 30, 2012, 10:02:35 PM
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As Reeses' identity is fairly well known, this statement, and his credibility, carry some substantial weight with me. As such, if he were to offer a 100% insured PPT that offers 3%, I'd be on board.

At least wait until there has been a delay-free payment from BS&T again. For all I can see, this time all interest payments are delayed, as in still missing.

All I can think of when I read reeses is the quote "I will crappy in your face and then describe unto you the ways to clean my fundament". I see he deleted it along with a whole set of insulting and derailing posts in that bet thread... just like Goat in this. lol -- the "conversation" looks even weirder now, if that's possible.

Aw, diddums.     

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July 30, 2012, 10:15:02 PM
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And you are still a muckraking asshole.

shoot the messenger!


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July 31, 2012, 01:56:49 AM
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If they were at defcon the info is in their badge. Ask for proof.
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