BS&T -- Are you staying or leaving?

[pirateat40]

Why would I want to call bitpay for ya? You can not be serious.

And chances are that right now you call in with 135k$ deal and they will sell you BTC (if they think you could be trusted counter party) at the spot price. Moving mtgox by exactly 0%.

As simple as that.

Trading your tiny amounts of BTC has created a false perception of how you think this market works.  Just another reason why I don't enjoy swimming in this pool.

Pirate, you're never going to win with these people.  They've totally convinced themselves and nothing is going to change that.  My advice is to just stop posting in these threads and eventually they'll get bored and wander off when something more colourful catches their eye.

You're just fueling them by replying.   Just go do what you do and ignore these forums for a bit, they've gone to shit.

It's the 4th of July and I have a bottle of whiskey.  I don't mind.

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@Vandroiy

Let's say you have 135K USD right now.  I need you to buy Bitcoins without changing the Mt.Gox rate by 2%.  You have 3 days to do it, nah I'll give you 7 days.  GO!!!

Let me know how that works out for you.

Ok I'll bite. What difference does it make if I buy bitcoins directly OTC or on various exchanges vs your selling me what you borrowed and then being forced to buy back what you sold me and then some to pay your "investors", please explain how the price isn't going to move almost exactly the same?

Also explain how come no one had any loses when you sold bitcoins before the recent exchange rate increase and had to buy them back and still meet your obligations. Did you foot the loses or did your "investors" and they are keeping quiet?

Ok, so you're not buying them back from miners:

Oh, shit. GPUMAX??

Sorry, GPUMAX is not any part of BS&T's model.

Where then do you get the coins + interest coins to pay back your "investors" so that you don't move the price you still haven't answered.

No answer to this ^ huh?

[pirateat40]

Do it in 7 days.  Not with funds already in the system.  GO

You are insane. Did you not know I trade in my free time, for years, effectively, Bitcoin since the moment I registered?

Dude, you are so clueless what you are talking about, the Bitcoinica flash crash sheep would have beaten you. There's no way in hell you can keep your profit safe moving it anywhere, or have done much of that in the first place, apart from maybe blindly selling other peoples' money.

The whole calculation is crap from the start. I couldn't use it as an attack vector because you yourself never directly admitted to the theory, only made "lol close" troll posts.

But this one? Post as much as you want, I'll not shut up on it until more traders come up. How can you possibly talk your way out? One can say a lot of stupid things about me, but trying to tell me I don't understand trading is the worst card you can ever play.

Good luck talking yourself out of this one. To me, this is not another 99.9% hint. This is proof. Fuck it, not once in a thousand would I talk this bullshit, and you basically claim to be A LOT better than me.

If you haven't noticed already, nothing you do will change WHAT I DO.  In the end you and a few others will "be caught with your pants down", but keep it up... you seem to get getting... nowhere.

[finkleshnorts]

cash back into bitcoin without moving price...

Let's flesh this out. If its not GPUMAX, then what? Let's brainstorm a bit here.

[pirateat40]

Not a shred of hard evidence, just some cheap rhetoric, unfortunately. I've been absent in the market since day two, so what?

You want evidence? LOL, if you knew what I know, I'd be hounding you.

[bitcoinBull]

If you haven't noticed already, nothing you do will change WHAT I DO.  In the end you and a few others will "be caught with your pants down", but keep it up... you seem to get getting... nowhere.

You're talking about your "lenders", not us. At least you admit there's an endgame!

See you at defcon! haha what a joke.

[Vladimir]

I've answered your question, Pirate.

Now you answer mine please.

Is there any hard evidence of any value producing economic activity of your operation except taking deposits, paying "dividends" and converting BTC into USD?

i.e. marketing, PR and damage control do not count.

I think it is a simple and fair question that any legitimate business, even anonymous one, should be able to answer quickly and easily.

If I pulled all my influence on the market things would be much different.  Everyone assumes I'm always applying the brakes (ask walls) in the market but the door swings both ways.  I've been present in the market since day one.

Not a shred of hard evidence, just some cheap rhetoric, unfortunately. I've been absent in the market since day two, so what?

You want evidence? LOL, if you knew what I know, I'd be hounding you.

fixed the quotes for ya. np.

How mysterious. Still only cheap rhetoric, though.

let's be objective.

- plenty of evidence of taking "deposits"
- plenty of evidence of paying "dividends"
- no evidence whatsoever of any economic activity and no any viable hypothetical biz models even.
- ALL the signs of a ponzi scheme in abundance.

In any case, we will know everything soon, right, was it 27th of July?
It could fold quicker, though, some unexpected newsflow and change of market conditions could force the matter before that perhaps.

The tide will go out eventually.

[pirateat40]

I've answered your question, Pirate.

Now you answer mine please.

Is there any hard evidence of any value producing economic activity of your operation except taking deposits, paying "dividends" and converting BTC into USD?

i.e. marketing, PR and damage control do not count.

I think it is a simple and fair question that any legitimate business, even anonymous one, should be able to answer quickly and easily.

If I pulled all my influence on the market things would be much different.  Everyone assumes I'm always applying the brakes (ask walls) in the market but the door swings both ways.  I've been present in the market since day one.

Not a shred of hard evidence, just some cheap rhetoric, unfortunately. I've been absent in the market since day two, so what?

You want evidence? LOL, if you knew what I know, I'd be hounding you.

fixed the quotes for ya. np.

How mysterious. Still only cheap rhetoric, though.

let's be objective.

- plenty of evidence of taking "deposits"
- plenty of evidence of paying "dividends"
- no evidence whatsoever of any economic activity and no any viable hypothetical biz models even.
- ALL the signs of a ponzi scheme in abundance.

In any case, we will know everything soon, right, was it 27th of July?
It could fold quicker, though, some unexpected newsflow and change of market conditions could force the matter before that perhaps.

The tide will go out eventually.

Right it's a ponzi you WIN.  Take out all the money you have in my operation.  RUN FOR THE HILLS!!

You don't have a shred of evidence or even an idea of what I do.  I truly don't think I could think as slow as you if I tried.

Keep up your good will!!!! TEACH FEAR!

[bitcoiners]

You don't have a shred of evidence or even an idea of what I do. 

Um, I think this is the problem.

[pirateat40]

You don't have a shred of evidence or even an idea of what I do. 

Um, I think this is the problem.

So stay away, don't trust me.  There is nothing else I can tell you.

[Vladimir]

You don't have a shred of evidence or even an idea of what I do. 

Um, I think this is the problem.

lol, indeed. Captain Obvious has spoken.

[Mousepotato]

Hmm.. I'm skeptical, but I'm still staying in it with "money" (Bitcoin itself is a scam, right?) that I can afford to lose.

[Vladimir]

(Bitcoin itself is a scam, right?)

Many proved scammers have claimed so in the past, it does not make it true at all.

[bitcoiners]

You don't have a shred of evidence or even an idea of what I do. 

Um, I think this is the problem.

So stay away, don't trust me.  There is nothing else I can tell you.

Which is why I am.  I was skeptical at first but I'm now without a doubt. 

[elux]

Right it's a ponzi you WIN. Take out all the money you have in my operation.

That settles it then.

[bitcoinBull]

Hmm.. I'm skeptical, but I'm still staying in it with "money" (Bitcoin itself is a scam, right?) that I can afford to lose.

No, bitcoin is sound money and fully transparent. Nobody here except scammers are promising returns over and above the market. But if you're playing to lose, it will be self-fulfilling. I know I'll be fine long after July 27th, pirate won't have one bitcent of mine.

[RoloTonyBrownTown]

You don't have a shred of evidence or even an idea of what I do.

Um, I think this is the problem.

So stay away, don't trust me.  There is nothing else I can tell you.

Exactly.  All you whingers who don't want to invest.  Don't.

It's really as simple as that.

[Vladimir]

You don't have a shred of evidence or even an idea of what I do.

Um, I think this is the problem.

So stay away, don't trust me.  There is nothing else I can tell you.

Exactly.  All you whingers who don't want to invest.  Don't.

It's really as simple as that.

oh we don't invest, that is not a problem at all.

[RoloTonyBrownTown]

You don't have a shred of evidence or even an idea of what I do.

Um, I think this is the problem.

So stay away, don't trust me.  There is nothing else I can tell you.

Exactly.  All you whingers who don't want to invest.  Don't.

It's really as simple as that.

oh we don't invest, that is not a problem at all.

So shut the hell up and stop bothering people who do.

[Bitcoin Oz]

You don't have a shred of evidence or even an idea of what I do.

Um, I think this is the problem.

So stay away, don't trust me.  There is nothing else I can tell you.

Exactly.  All you whingers who don't want to invest.  Don't.

It's really as simple as that.

oh we don't invest, that is not a problem at all.

So shut the hell up and stop bothering people who do.

Skeptics provide a valuable service of "keeping the bastards honest". Irrational over-exuberance is never a good thing when combined with finance.