WoodCollector the saga continues?....

[smoothie]

Just watched the video.  Is there another one?  Because that one is a joke in terms of being proof of anything.  In fact, it looks like proof of laser etching to me.  He had already laser etched the design and just needed to dremel away what we left.  I'm not even talking about the level of detail, just the fact that I can see with my own eyes that it was laser etched before hand and he is just shaving away what is left with a dremel.  What a joke!

WC has lost credibility already.

It is very simple: Do not make claims you can't back up with irrefutable proof.

[jonald_fyookball]

Just watched the video.  Is there another one?  Because that one is a joke in terms of being proof of anything.  In fact, it looks like proof of laser etching to me.  He had already laser etched the design and just needed to dremel away what we left.  I'm not even talking about the level of detail, just the fact that I can see with my own eyes that it was laser etched before hand and he is just shaving away what is left with a dremel.  What a joke!

that's what I see too.

[fishb0ne]

I reached out to the Reddit community of wood workers to get some feedback. So far everyone agrees that the pieces are laser etched, not hand carved. See for yourself.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Woodcarving/comments/2tendk/is_this_guy_scamming_the_community_with_laser/

I think this one is the most damning post

I scrolled down more on the posts and you can go ahead and tell that guy that his Harbor Freight lathe is not a $10,000 lathe. You may also want to mention that the Harbor Freight gouge he pictures is absolutely not going to carve the thumbnails in the video he linked to.

If anyone else here is aware of any other, larger community of wood workers, I would suggest doing something similar, but I really don't see the point. I think the matter is settled.

[Ludi]

Just watched the video.  Is there another one?  Because that one is a joke in terms of being proof of anything.  In fact, it looks like proof of laser etching to me.  He had already laser etched the design and just needed to dremel away what we left.  I'm not even talking about the level of detail, just the fact that I can see with my own eyes that it was laser etched before hand and he is just shaving away what is left with a dremel.  What a joke!

If he wanted to prove anything he easily could and he would have made all his detractors look like clueless fools, though they obviously wasn't but the exact opposite. If he spent an hour just actually carving a small piece of one of the coins where he did elaborate designs it would've shut everyone up but all we got what hostility which was pretty telling in itself.

[nubbins]

Here's a detail of that watermark:



As you can see, there's "d", "e", and part of a "p". I wonder what logo that is?

Oh, it's the Deposit Photos logo. Now where have I seen that logo before? Oh, right, all over this image:



Which WoodCollector is burning into a piece of wood here, as of yesterday: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935930.msg10260178#msg10260178



So, he admitted to using one stolen image (the lion?) and was just caught using another (the hand), and we found sources for all the rest of the images on the same stock photo website, but he totally has licenses for everything, he swears! He can even provide the receipt from his email!

[mayax]

why don't you talk with him by phone?

[nubbins]

why don't you talk with him by phone?

We don't have his phone number

[fishb0ne]

Note that he is no longer saying "hand carved", just carved.
For reference:
Carved = design comes out of the base surface
Engraved = design is into the base surface

[Ludi]

Note that he is no longer saying "hand carved", just carved.
For reference:
Carved = design comes out of the base surface
Engraved = design is into the base surface

Where is he saying this? He doesn't seem to be saying much of anything right now. Besides, I don't think whatever he says is going to matter much. The damage is already done.

[noma]

Seems he is now locking his threads after putting in pictures of his artwork.
Thats what he did with his latest work Black Swan. Did he commision it before the scam accusaiton or after it ?

[jonald_fyookball]

Note that he is no longer saying "hand carved", just carved.
For reference:
Carved = design comes out of the base surface
Engraved = design is into the base surface

Where is he saying this? He doesn't seem to be saying much of anything right now. Besides, I don't think whatever he says is going to matter much. The damage is already done.

More important, he's not giving any money back to customers that wanted a refund. 

[fishb0ne]

Where is he saying this?

Here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935930.msg10260178#msg10260178

Let me clarify my point. I noticed the absence of "hand carved" and I thought that was a tacit admission of guilt, while still keeping the statement just vague enough for somebody to potentially believe these to be hand carved. Technically his statement is accurate, but incomplete/vague.

[runpaint]

I'm trying to figure out how he would use a laser to cut the design, but then carve all around the design. 

Because the design is raised, so the laser would have to be used to cut everything except the design.  Right?

[BG4]

It is a work of art..... Im not going to deny that...

[koshgel]

There is no way to disprove the overwhelming evidence. No logical defense.

Looks like Woodcollector is going to quietly slink away into the shadows.

[smoothie]

It is a work of art..... Im not going to deny that...

It is a work of art...just with non original art. 

[BG4]

I like the shading around the swan...The whole thing just looks so ...shady .......

[koshgel]

It is a work of art..... Im not going to deny that...

They are actually pretty cool looking. If there wasn't huge problems with stolen images, dishonesty, and unfair markups, I would consider buying one.

I still don't get why he couldn't be honest in the first place and sell them as laser engraved coins. Sure, you wouldn't make as much but you could expand and possibly make a brand for yourself eventually.

[smoothie]

Hey guys so I made this "hand carved" piece from "original" artwork.

No power tools involved, just your "hands" and "hand tools".

Took about 20 minutes to finish this masterpiece.

Here is a short clip of the last 5 min of me "carving" it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRAl-EV3QO8
First is Woodcollector's hand carved physical bit coin with touch ups, varnish, stain, whatever, etc.



Second you have the original artwork from the internet.







 

YOUTUBE VIDEO INCOMING SHORTLY ONCE I CAN UPLOAD IT LOL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRAl-EV3QO8

Lastly you have my "original" version of that artwork with 0 touchups, varnish, not even wiped down with a wet cloth yet!

See I changed it so it is now mine and "original" and "hand carved"!

Notice the burn marks? Those can be avoided if I lowered the amount of hand carving settings on my hands to use less power.

Also wiping it down with a little bit of water would remove much of the burn residue.

There you have it! ORIGINAL HAND CARVED WORK BY SMOOTHIE!

[hilariousandco]

How much do those machines cost to purchase and are there places that will print designs off for you? I'm just wondering how WoodCutter even has access to one as they probably don't come cheap (though maybe he has one at his work or something?).