REMOVE NUBBINS FROM THE DEFAULT TRUST LIST FOR REPEATED TRUST ABUSE

[tss]

Obligatory reading.

II. The WoT works by reducing the unknowns problem. It allows the user - any user - to confidently identify the sources of information, both in the negative and in the positive. That is to say, if sources of information exist, the user may by the WoT find them, and safely assume that should no sources of information be thus found, no sources of information in fact exist. It further allows the user to judge the quality, reliability and precision of said sources, and this independent both of the direct source and of the counterparty he's examining.

i miss MP.  what a huge ass but quite a character.  was he and his pr chick perma banned?

[BadBear]

No.

[nubbins]

Maybe you should talk to your mob if you don't like the off topic discussion, but you are right, this thread is about your trust system abuse.  I have messaged Canaryinthemine and asked him to remove you and referenced this thread. Waiting for his comment.

Wait, you messaged him AGAIN, or you're still waiting on a response from the first time? Lel.

[nubbins]

If anyone has a serious problem with Nubbins' judgement then they should exclude Nubbins in their own trust list. There's no need to wait for other members to take action.

Someone give this man a medal. If you don't like me, why in the fuck am I on your trust list?

Off-topic, but here's a WoodCollector image that he forgot to scrub the watermark from. TECSHARE, why do you continue to stand up for this thief and liar? How many lies before you give up? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935115.msg10278112#msg10278112

EDIT: Reddit chimed in too... https://www.reddit.com/r/Woodcarving/comments/2tendk/is_this_guy_scamming_the_community_with_laser/

[Quickseller]

If anyone has a serious problem with Nubbins' judgement then they should exclude Nubbins in their own trust list. There's no need to wait for other members to take action.

Someone give this man a medal. If you don't like me, why in the fuck am I on your trust list?

You are by default. That is the point of this thread to change you being on everyone's trust list by default.

[nubbins]

If anyone has a serious problem with Nubbins' judgement then they should exclude Nubbins in their own trust list. There's no need to wait for other members to take action.

Someone give this man a medal. If you don't like me, why in the fuck am I on your trust list?

You are by default. That is the point of this thread to change you being on everyone's trust list by default.

Well maybe the point of the thread should be to change Default Trust so it doesn't suck in precisely the way that pisses everyone off.

Why not chime in here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=914641.0;all

[Quickseller]

If anyone has a serious problem with Nubbins' judgement then they should exclude Nubbins in their own trust list. There's no need to wait for other members to take action.

Someone give this man a medal. If you don't like me, why in the fuck am I on your trust list?

You are by default. That is the point of this thread to change you being on everyone's trust list by default.

Well maybe the point of the thread should be to change Default Trust so it doesn't suck in precisely the way that pisses everyone off.

Why not chime in here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=914641.0;all

It would be much easier to abuse trust in the proposed system (I did voice my concerns in that thread).

His concern is not that he sees your trust ratings, it is that other people see your trust ratings by default and as a result may be negatively (or possibly positively) affected to be able to conduct business as a result of your ratings.

[nubbins]

Well, my concern is that I outed a scammer who milked twenty thousand dollars out of this place since Guy Fawke's Night, and in return I get a bunch of socks PMing me photographs of the outside of my house and TECSHARE the bully starting one of his vendetta campaigns.

I suppose that's all okay, though, because I'm the big bad neg-rate monster who didn't consider everyone's feelings!

Christ, you people. 

[nubbins]

After having some time to reflect, I agree with others in that my negative trust rating of TECSHARE was inappropriate. I have replaced it with neutral feedback that relates the situation in a less undiplomatic manner.

[CanaryInTheMine]

Well, my concern is that I outed a scammer who milked twenty thousand dollars out of this place since Guy Fawke's Night, and in return I get a bunch of socks PMing me photographs of the outside of my house and TECSHARE the bully starting one of his vendetta campaigns.

I suppose that's all okay, though, because I'm the big bad neg-rate monster who didn't consider everyone's feelings!

Christ, you people. 

releasing/using personal info is a big no no on the forum and can get a user banned... Do you believe TECSHARE is behind the release of your info?

[ABitNut]

TECSHARE and WoodCollector seem to have a closer relationship than either one is letting on.

http://rezdesign.com/woodcollector/

http://rezdesign.com/tecshare/img/girlfriend.JPG

I've confirmed that the WHOIS info for rezdesign.com returns an address that is very close geographically to where TECSHARE is located, as well.

TECSHARE, can you comment on any of this? Please tell me this thread isn't just about me neg-rating your scammer friend.

EDIT: Google Cache shows the /woodcollector/ subfolder did not exist on January 21, 2015: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rezdesign.com

Let's not jump to conclusions here. Yes, TECSHARE is defending Woodcollector. So possibly they wanted to document some evidence about this case. Maybe that's why they created a Woodcollector folder on their site?

Just having that folder means nothing.

[TECSHARE]

Well, my concern is that I outed a scammer who milked twenty thousand dollars out of this place since Guy Fawke's Night, and in return I get a bunch of socks PMing me photographs of the outside of my house and TECSHARE the bully starting one of his vendetta campaigns.

I suppose that's all okay, though, because I'm the big bad neg-rate monster who didn't consider everyone's feelings!

Christ, you people.  

Aww poor victim the Nubbins, starting a mob attack that backfired when you attacked way too many people (actual individuals not socks). I have no control over how others choose to interact with you, and frankly you should have expected this reaction as a direct result of all the horse shit you have been slinging trying to destroy people's reputations simply to entertain yourself and save face by not admitting you were wrong.

Your right, what a bully I am for daring to have an opinion in opposition to yours in public! I was having a discussion with you, you are the one with the vendettas striking out at anyone who dares to point out your accusations are bullshit. Nice refractory double speak. Just accuse your opponent of what you are doing. Pretty stale propaganda technique. Keep it up, maybe some one will believe you are victim here and not the perpetrator.


RE: The domain

Anyone else here seeing the pattern of how retardedly far these idiots will go with the accusations and theories in a desperate attempt to build a narrative to justify their abusive harassing behavior? Let me get this straight, so far WoodCollector is me, Sodawars, Terrahasher, AND UKcrypto. Did I miss anyone? Perhaps he is Bruce Wagner, Mark Karpeles, and Josh Zerlan too! Why not right?

I am astonished that is is not glaringly obvious these degenerates are simply slinging as much bullshit as possible and hoping some of it will stick, and some one will believe them. If I wanted to rip people off here and use alts I would have done it a long time ago, not after building up 3 years worth of impeccable trading reputation.

Furthermore how retarded would it be for me to use a domain that I listed for sale on this very forum if I was WC and trying to hide this fact? None of this makes any sense whatsoever, but complete lack of logic has never stopped you guys in the past. This is the definition of grasping for straws. Next you guys will be telling us about how WoodCollector faked the moon landing for the reptoids in exchange for alien stealth laser engraver technology. This is reaching epic levels of pathetic. I really truly feel sorry for you guys, because to go this far you really must have nothing in your personal lives to enjoy at all, and this is your only means for self gratification.

Anyways, back to reality. On the day WC tried to upload his video to Youtube it took 2 days including processing, so to speed things up I offered to host the video for him. WHAT A SCANDAL! You can proceed with your shit slinging, theorizing, and baseless accusations now.

Back on the actual topic of having Nubbins removed, I see Nubbins has modified his attempt at intimidating me into silence to a neutral rating now. What about UKCrypto? Did he photoshop that image of being in Vietnam now? Nubbins was very clearly systematically accusing then negative rating anyone who dared to disagree with his accusations against WoodCollector. This demonstrates without a doubt he is willing to abuse the trust system to win petty flame wars he started. He does not belong on the default trust list.

[iCEBREAKER]

@Techshare



In case you missed it, Badbear responded to your request as outlined in the title of this thread.

Time to lock this thread and enjoy your defeat.


~BCX~


Title of Thread:REMOVE NUBBINS FROM THE DEFAULT TRUST LIST FOR REPEATED TRUST ABUSE

No.

BitcoinEXpress is defending Nubbins?!

BitcoinEXpress and Nubbins seem to have a closer relationship than either one is letting on.

[TECSHARE]

UKCrypto has now proven himself to not be an alt. If Nubbins was wrong about him, is it not highly probable he is also wrong about the others?

We are saying WoodCollector is a liar.

You were saying ukcrypto lied about his location.

Then he politely refuted your unkind accusation, albeit in spectacular fashion.

How was the Burn Ward?  

I like how you took my quote out of context, try to reframe the argument and avoid responding to the rest of my post.

For the record, I said ukcrypto is another alt of WoodCollector, just like TeraHasher and SodaWarz. He responded by posting a random consignment note number that showed a consignment between NY and Heathrow (that suggested self collection, but he said it was delivered). In case you are too naive to understand, consignment note numbers can be obtained through various ways.

So I asked him to post the consignment note. I even offered to apologize if he did. He refused and insulted me. When I questioned him why he was posting at 4 a.m London time, he suddenly said he was posting from Vietnam. When Quickseller poked holes in his claim, he posted the piece of paper after a gap of - which I already explained can be obtained from Fiverr for $5. Now please tell me which part you are struggling to understand and I'll go over it once again, slower.

You either have serious reading comprehension issues, or your blind loyalty to TECSHARE compels you to attack anything that does not fit his narrative. Which is it?  

What now pal? Fiver indeed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_Ww3Ajhr74&feature=youtu.be

[hilariousandco]

UKCrypto has now proven himself to not be an alt. If Nubbins was wrong about him, is it not highly probable he is also wrong about the others?

He's likely wrong about UKcrytpo but probably not about the others. It's pretty obvious the other two are alts /shills just from their behaviour and BadBear will have some other evidence such as IPs tying them together.

[nubbins]

I see Nubbins has modified his attempt at intimidating me into silence to a neutral rating now ... This demonstrates without a doubt he is willing to abuse the trust system to win petty flame wars he started. He does not belong on the default trust list.

So now I'm to be removed from Default Trust because I changed my rating of you to a more accurate one?

Haha. Fuck you. Lock this thread, you embarass yourself. 

[TECSHARE]

UKCrypto has now proven himself to not be an alt. If Nubbins was wrong about him, is it not highly probable he is also wrong about the others?

He's likely wrong about UKcrytpo but probably not about the others. It's pretty obvious the other two are alts /shills just from their behaviour and BadBear will have some other evidence such as IPs tying them together.

BadBear has refused to offer any evidence, he just said "I don't care if you don't believe me." If Nubbins is willing to lie and abuse the trust system to try to intimidate myself and UKCrypto, why wouldn't he be willing to do so for the others? IMO BadBear left his rating based on Nubbins false accusations and just doesn't want to admit he may have been mistaken.

Considering that WC has said he uses a proxy service, an IP correlation alone doesn't prove they are alts of each other (as you well know, but don't let facts get in the way of your accusations). An IP correlation could EASILY happen simply because they use the SAME PROXY! This is not proof of anything.

I have seen zero evidence either of them are alts or shills. Just because some one stands up for another user does NOT make them an alt or a shill, and it is RETARDEDLY EASY to sling that accusation at people because it is basically unprovable either way, but the accusations are certainly useful for trying to intimidate and discredit people.

[hilariousandco]

I can guarantee you BadBear didn't base his feedback just off another member's, and it doesn't have to be just down to the same IP. If they both use exactly the same browser and operating system then that's good enough evidence in this case (and he may have other evidence I'm not aware of). Also, you're right that people sticking up for another isn't conclusive evidence alone but it certainly arouses suspicion, especially when they type the same way and use the same insults etc. More than a coincidence is it not?

[Welsh]

Considering we are basically pattern recognising machines it's fairly easy to spot alternate accounts. Although, a normal user may not have the proof which you ask for I'm almost certain Badbear would, however that doesn't mean he can give that information away either to an individual or publicly. Anyway, why would Badbear lie about having information? It wouldn't benefit him in anyway, it could only damage is reputation if found out.

I can guarantee you BadBear didn't base his feedback just off another member's, and it doesn't have to be just down to the same IP. If they both use exactly the same browser and operating system then that's good enough evidence in this case (and he may have other evidence I'm not aware of). Also, you're right that people sticking up for another isn't conclusive evidence alone but it certainly arouses suspicion, especially when they type the same way and use the same insults etc. More than a coincidence is it not?

To be fair if  they are all using Windows then it doesn't really help the case, or even ubuntu. If they are using another operating system then it could be more obvious. Same goes as the browser. Most users probably vary with both operating system and browser, I know I've logged in on about 5 different operating systems and browsers because some browsers aren't easy to setup in some distributions. But, you are right if they all match then it does raise suspicious that much more.

[TECSHARE]

I can guarantee you BadBear didn't base his feedback just off another member's, and it doesn't have to be just down to the same IP. If they both use exactly the same browser and operating system then that's good enough evidence in this case (and he may have other evidence I'm not aware of). Also, you're right that people sticking up for another isn't conclusive evidence alone but it certainly arouses suspicion, especially when they type the same way and use the same insults etc. More than a coincidence is it not?

Now you are back peddling from your IP "proof" to say that because they both used an operating system and browser that billions of other people use that this is now proof.   Suspicions....
That is ALL anyone lodging these accusations have, 100% SUSPICIONS.