Philipma1957's attempt to rate current Manufacturers of Asic . Results in.

[Guy Corem]

Not looking to do this anymore.

 Since this was cancelled to be fair Spondoolies-Tech ask me to do the thread and poll.
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Confirmed. I also asked Philip to post whatever questions he wants and to freely change our questions if he wants to.
I believe Dogie's thread become irrelevant.

[Finksy]

One thing is obvious we need a better method to let people know what gear+ builders are worth using.

One that promotes transparency and lacks agendas? I couldn't agree more. Because what we have appears to be falling further from that spirit by the day.

[Guy Corem]

Not looking to do this anymore.

 Since this was cancelled to be fair Spondoolies-Tech ask me to do the thread and poll.
...

Confirmed. I also asked Philip to post whatever questions he wants and to freely change our questions if he wants to.
I believe Dogie's thread become irrelevant.

I opened a meta thread to discuss the poll removal by the mods, without any explanation:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938782.0

[iCEBREAKER]

Spondoolies-Tech ask me to do the thread and poll.

In before

[notlist3d]

Not looking to do this anymore.

 Since this was cancelled to be fair Spondoolies-Tech ask me to do the thread and poll.
...

Confirmed. I also asked Philip to post whatever questions he wants and to freely change our questions if he wants to.
I believe Dogie's thread become irrelevant.

I opened a meta thread to discuss the poll removal by the mods, without any explanation:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938782.0

Truly sad to see it closed.  I will not post my thoughts, just that I think someone has a lot of pull on what happens. Apparently this poll he did not like.

[Guy Corem]

Not looking to do this anymore.

 Since this was cancelled to be fair Spondoolies-Tech ask me to do the thread and poll.
...

Confirmed. I also asked Philip to post whatever questions he wants and to freely change our questions if he wants to.
I believe Dogie's thread become irrelevant.

I opened a meta thread to discuss the poll removal by the mods, without any explanation:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938782.0

Truly sad to see it closed.  I will not post my thoughts, just that I think someone has a lot of pull on what happens. Apparently this poll he did not like.

Same here. I suspect foul play.

[Newar]

Same here. I suspect foul play.

Just make the poll at another site where you can have multiple questions and link to it from a thread from here. Discussion can take place in that thread.

[aurel57]

Not looking to do this anymore.

 Since this was cancelled to be fair Spondoolies-Tech ask me to do the thread and poll.
...

Confirmed. I also asked Philip to post whatever questions he wants and to freely change our questions if he wants to.
I believe Dogie's thread become irrelevant.

I opened a meta thread to discuss the poll removal by the mods, without any explanation:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938782.0

Truly sad to see it closed.  I will not post my thoughts, just that I think someone has a lot of pull on what happens. Apparently this poll he did not like.

Same here. I suspect foul play.

What foul play here???  LOL its not the first time....

[Guy Corem]

Dogie admitted he reported the poll questions to the moderators.
I kindly ask a global moderator to move the questions threads from Trash to Archival and let the poll continue.

The results until the poll was interrupted by Dogie's actions:

[dogie]

EDIT: IMO though I do think Dogie might need to consider handing off the review thing to someone else who is willing to take it on that does not give off a biased appearance. While I personally do not think he is, I can see why people would considering his affiliation with bitmain.

Someone else is free to try, but they soon realise that its not worth the aggro it causes. Unless you do a Bick and start a monologue to yourself, running round the forum quoting dogie things

I can't set it up any other way. I would prefer to do an 8-10 question survey.
 Keeping the 8 polls with 8 questions is too long. But I don't have any other way.  right now I have 6 .
 5 are open to the public and 1 is blind until feb 6
 If I do 2 more they would be blind to the public until feb 6.
 I don't really want a war but it is plan to see there are a lot of strong behind the scenes discussions occurring.

Survey monkey, as I use. Might cost $30 if you go over 100 responses but you can always just open a second free one.

[Guy Corem]

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I can't set it up any other way. I would prefer to do an 8-10 question survey.
 Keeping the 8 polls with 8 questions is too long. But I don't have any other way.  right now I have 6 .
 5 are open to the public and 1 is blind until feb 6
 If I do 2 more they would be blind to the public until feb 6.
 I don't really want a war but it is plan to see there are a lot of strong behind the scenes discussions occurring.

Survey monkey, as I use. Might cost $30 if you go over 100 responses but you can always just open a second free one.

Why taking the route of "reporting to moderators" instead of suggesting it to philipma1957 before ?
Don't you think you're using "report to moderators" too quickly ?

[dogie]

I consider you a friend and I believe you're doing positive stuff to promote and help the industry and the home miners. You need to separate our arguments from the rest. I'm not trying to hurt you in anyway.

My problem with that is we have loooong discussions on skype which include all sorts of information we can't talk about publicly. That discussion then ends, and I keep coming on here to find fresh posts provoking the same discussion on the forums, knowing full well that because of the NDA [which I hate, and wouldn't sign again in its previous form] I can't say the same things we just discussed on skype.

Dogie admitted he reported the poll questions to the moderators.
I kindly ask a global moderator to move the questions threads from Trash to Archival and let the poll continue.

The results until the poll was interrupted by Dogie's actions:

I reported ONE post with a 6 word comment, as did other users because it shouldn't have been posted over 6 (which we were later told would turn into 9 threads). I don't see 'moderator' or 'staff' next to my name and I certainly didn't delete your posts.

[Xian01]

Dogie admitted he reported the poll questions to the moderators.

Well, that's just ultimately cowardly and transparent of Dogie, considering he's employed by Bitmain.

I removed him from my trust list a while ago, and if I wasn't disillusioned with Bitmain before, I'm downright pissed off now that Dogie is running around off his leash and whimpering to the mods.

I get the feeling Bitmain is headed down the path of greed, trail-blazed by the likes of Butterfly Labs and KNC

Very frustrating - Having a desire to buy more S5's, but not being able to will myself, due to recent shenanigans.

Instead, "rage-purchased" an SP20 at a significantly reduced price off Ebay from a farm being decommissioned, and, horror-of-horrors, I'M GOING TO BE RUNNING IT INSIDE MY HOUSE !

AT FULL SPEED !!!

[dogie]

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I can't set it up any other way. I would prefer to do an 8-10 question survey.
 Keeping the 8 polls with 8 questions is too long. But I don't have any other way.  right now I have 6 .
 5 are open to the public and 1 is blind until feb 6
 If I do 2 more they would be blind to the public until feb 6.
 I don't really want a war but it is plan to see there are a lot of strong behind the scenes discussions occurring.

Survey monkey, as I use. Might cost $30 if you go over 100 responses but you can always just open a second free one.

Why taking the route of "reporting to moderators" instead of suggesting it to philipma1957 before ?
Don't you think you're using "report to moderators" too quickly ?

Because moving what he had to survey monkey still would have led to him deleting those threads. By reporting to mod, users are summoning a mod to decide if the content infringes on forum rules and if so allow them to fix it. Its not on the user's head to fix that.

[Lets head over to meta now]

[Guy Corem]

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My problem with that is we have loooong discussions on skype which include all sorts of information we can't talk about publicly. That discussion then ends, and I keep coming on here to find fresh posts provoking the same discussion on the forums, knowing full well that because of the NDA [which I hate, and wouldn't sign again in its previous form] I can't say the same things we just discussed on skype.
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Our Skype discussion isn't related at all to what you did.
Beside the technical issue of Philip mistake, which has simple solution, what's your problem with an open poll ?
Philip is ok with adding questions per other forum member suggestions.

[Biffa]

How about a google form: http://goo.gl/forms/sOFBGtgj32

[philipma1957]

How about a google form: http://goo.gl/forms/sOFBGtgj32

I would be willing to set up a thread using that survey.

I will screenshot it. give me 1 minute.  I would blow up the screenshot below give biffa's link post results' after 5 days.

Wait 25 days and do it again.

It would give a history of gear/builders------------------members opinons

It would be nice to go to this forum and see surveys for the last 3 years on a special thread. You could see if a company is improving getting worse etc. We simply are not doing this correctly right now.

Read this thread posted today


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938901.0   

  This thread shows a need for info.

here is biffa's poll

[Biffa]

Happy for you to do that if you like.

If you fill out the survey you get the results as well in pretty graphs.

[philipma1957]

Happy for you to do that if you like.

If you fill out the survey you get the results as well in pretty graphs.

I posted a screen shot of the survey.

google form: http://goo.gl/forms/sOFBGtgj32

So vote and I will post it on monday. I voted and read results as of now we have 4 votes in.

it allows 1 vote see second screen shot if you vote 2 times.--- yeah I sure some know how to get around this. I would like to think it may be somewhat of a deterrent since we are looking for honesty here.

[wpgdeez]

You could probably count on 1 hand how many people care about this poll.