How does ancap deal with an oil spill?

[CoinDiver]

Really? You're an idiot. The government is giving money to Tesla Motors and others. Sorry, you libertarian clown (and I mean that collectively), as usual, your one line retorts are neither indicative of thought, knowledge or research, but as usual, knee jerk reactions.

Fucking Statist. Your condescending replies are indicative of your pretense of knowledge.

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[FirstAscent]

Isn't the answer to this obvious? The government!

Really? You're an idiot. The government is giving money to Tesla Motors and others. Sorry, you libertarian clown (and I mean that collectively), as usual, your one line retorts are neither indicative of thought, knowledge or research, but as usual, knee jerk reactions.

Character assassination? I would expect nothing less!

Here's some information I was able to find within a few minutes (do note that I have not actively researched this area):
http://rense.com/general72/oinvent.htm
http://www.broandrew.com/suppression.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dfj1O45qZ5U

Please tell me about Frederick Seitz, the tobacco companies, and the oil companies, if you wish to get some insights into how certain organizations operate and who the real instigators might be.

[Explodicle]

Really? You're an idiot. The government is giving money to Tesla Motors and others. Sorry, you libertarian clown (and I mean that collectively), as usual, your one line retorts are neither indicative of thought, knowledge or research, but as usual, knee jerk reactions.

[idiot]
It's a good thing there isn't a big militaristic government out there that

• invades country after country to control the oil supply,
• forces everyone to exchange oil using their currency, and
• protects oil-using polluters from retaliation

... All at taxpayer expense, and by "taxpayer" I mean everyone who trades using their currency, which is quite a few because every country needs at least some oil.
[/idiot]

[FirstAscent]

Really? You're an idiot. The government is giving money to Tesla Motors and others. Sorry, you libertarian clown (and I mean that collectively), as usual, your one line retorts are neither indicative of thought, knowledge or research, but as usual, knee jerk reactions.

[idiot]
It's a good thing there isn't a big militaristic government out there that

• invades country after country to control the oil supply,
• forces everyone to exchange oil using their currency, and
• protects oil-using polluters from retaliation

... All at taxpayer expense, and by "taxpayer" I mean everyone who trades using their currency, which is quite a few because every country needs at least some oil.
[/idiot]

I personally don't wish to trade one set of idiots (American War Machine) for another (Libertarians).

I personally want intelligence and knowledge coupled with long term thinking.

I get neither with the former, and neither with the latter.

[Explodicle]

Really? You're an idiot. The government is giving money to Tesla Motors and others. Sorry, you libertarian clown (and I mean that collectively), as usual, your one line retorts are neither indicative of thought, knowledge or research, but as usual, knee jerk reactions.

[idiot]
It's a good thing there isn't a big militaristic government out there that

• invades country after country to control the oil supply,
• forces everyone to exchange oil using their currency, and
• protects oil-using polluters from retaliation

... All at taxpayer expense, and by "taxpayer" I mean everyone who trades using their currency, which is quite a few because every country needs at least some oil.
[/idiot]

I personally don't wish to trade one set of idiots (American War Machine) for another (Libertarians).

I personally want intelligence and knowledge coupled with long term thinking.

I get neither with the former, and neither with the latter.

Oh ok I thought you were saying the current system prevented more oil spills than AnCap would, my mistake.

[FirstAscent]

Oh ok I thought you were saying the current system prevented more oil spills than AnCap would, my mistake.

I think your mistake is putting the cart before the horse. Why don't you take a year off from slapping your favorite pet political ideology on everything you see, and just educate yourself? When you come back from your sabbatical, with a fresh and newly primed mind filled with more knowledge than it currently stores, you can reevaluate the notion of your political beliefs.

What could it hurt? Stop insisting your political ideology is golden, and instead, just study the depth of the world's problems. Who knows what you'll discover?

[finkleshnorts]

Remember when DOW had that plant explode in India? Lots of outrage, but no reparations were made.

[myrkul]

It's a waste of time arguing with statist trolls. I'm just gonna ignore them from now on.

FirstAscent is the only one I haven't bludgeoned to death with sense and logic... Primarily because he's yet to nail down his position. He just whines about ours.

[Explodicle]

Oh ok I thought you were saying the current system prevented more oil spills than AnCap would, my mistake.

I think your mistake is putting the cart before the horse. Why don't you take a year off from slapping your favorite pet political ideology on everything you see, and just educate yourself? When you come back from your sabbatical, with a fresh and newly primed mind filled with more knowledge than it currently stores, you can reevaluate the notion of your political beliefs.

I already DID take time to reevaluate my beliefs and it led me from socialism to here. What makes you think I won't make the same mistakes again? Uneducated empty-minded idealogues like myself reach the wrong conclusions on their own, so I need environmental/political/philosophical experts like you to set me straight.

If this activity is below you, my ignore button is to the left of the page.

What could it hurt?

If you're right, then it wouldn't hurt anyone.
If I'm right, then a better world will come an hour later and someone will die because of my failure to act.

[CoinDiver]

...mind filled with more knowledge than it currently stores, you can reevaluate the notion of your political beliefs.

What could it hurt? Stop insisting your political ideology is golden, and instead, just study the depth of the world's problems. Who knows what you'll discover?

You look like a complete idiot arguing "knowledge" and "beliefs" with an ancap. You pretend you can know enough to predict outcomes. It's mighty pompous of you. You want someone to spend a year, when you wont take 10 minutes to read the most profound speech on economics ever given. Yeah, good luck with that.

[Stardust]

The work in particular that I was referencing was a short pamphlet called Agrarian Justice (1797), which supported property taxes funding a universal basic income.

The work is based on the contention that in the state of nature, "the earth, in its natural uncultivated state... was the common property of the human race"; the concept of private ownership arose as a necessary result of the development of agriculture, since it was impossible to distinguish the possession of improvements to the land from the possession of the land itself. Thus Paine views private property as necessary, but that the basic needs of all humanity must be provided for by those with property, who have originally taken it from the general public. This in some sense is their "payment" to non-property holders for the right to hold private property.

You can probably find a free e-book of it (and his more popular works) but I really like this hardcover collection: http://www.amazon.com/Thomas-Paine-Collected-Writings-Pamphlets/dp/1883011035/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1342679094&sr=8-4&keywords=thomas+paine

Thanks, I'm going to read it. Though it's disappointing that he proposes property taxes. Perhaps a better solution would be to consider only man made things property, like houses, cars, factories, etc. The rest should be available to everyone. I think American Indians thought like this.

[FirstAscent]

...mind filled with more knowledge than it currently stores, you can reevaluate the notion of your political beliefs.

What could it hurt? Stop insisting your political ideology is golden, and instead, just study the depth of the world's problems. Who knows what you'll discover?

You look like a complete idiot arguing "knowledge" and "beliefs" with an ancap. You pretend you can know enough to predict outcomes. It's mighty pompous of you. You want someone to spend a year, when you wont take 10 minutes to read the most profound speech on economics ever given. Yeah, good luck with that.

It's mighty pompous of me to suggest that knowledge is better than ignorance? It's mighty pompous of me to think that a ten minute read of a document isn't enough to address so many of the complex issues involving resource depletion, exploitation and collateral destruction that we see in the world today? Okay.

[CoinDiver]

It's mighty pompous of me to suggest that knowledge is better than ignorance? It's mighty pompous of me to think that a ten minute read of a document isn't enough to address so many of the complex issues involving resource depletion, exploitation and collateral destruction that we see in the world today? Okay.

http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

Your arrogance is astounding.

Regardless, I understand where you are coming from. I too once believed there was an answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. Some day you may realize Government causes more trouble than it will ever solve. When you do, you will stop trying to figure out how one can enforce prosperity.

[nevafuse]

What happens? Who pays to clean up? Who pays reparations to all of the people affected (e.g. fishermen who just lost their jobs)? Would their be any concern for all of the life destroyed?

Why wouldn't it be in the oil company's best interest to cap the well?  If I'm losing money every day because of it, I'm going to repair it ASAP so I can continue making money off of it.  Even if my company is too broke, I'd sell it to another company for a price that would make it worth salvaging.  An oil spill is also bad press.  I don't want people to stop using my product because I've ruined their beaches.  There are a lot of incentives for the company to fix it as soon as possible.

Assuming the explosion makes it unsalvageable and I don't care about my reputation because my company is broke or I'm in a remote area, then there is a higher likelihood the problem would not be fixed.  But the citizens of the beaches that are affected could come together and donate money to an operation to try & cap the well or filter the water coming into the beach.  Or companies could buy the beaches, filter the water, and charge a fee to use it.  I believe natural oil spills occur as well where there is no one to blame & the same problems would arise.

[Explodicle]

(This post assumes you haven't clicked my ignore button, and thus agree to actually address what I'm saying instead of condescendingly suggesting another year of study.)

So back on topic... first you say the status quo doesn't stop me from driving electric cars. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and explained why it does. Then you say oh I don't support the status quo,

I personally want intelligence and knowledge coupled with long term thinking.

So how? How do you suggest we ensure that the most informed people are in a position to set policy? You don't support the status quo, you don't support AnCap, so I really want to hear your idea.

[FirstAscent]

Regardless, I understand where you are coming from. I too once believed there was an answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. Some day you may realize Government causes more trouble than it will ever solve. When you do, you will stop trying to figure out how one can enforce prosperity.

It's actually you claiming ten minutes spent reading a document provides all the answers.

[FirstAscent]

So how? How do you suggest we ensure that the most informed people are in a position to set policy? You don't support the status quo, you don't support AnCap, so I really want to hear your idea.

Let's start by having you (and anyone you know) getting informed. How does that sound? Is that too much? Obviously it doesn't go against what I have been saying. Tell me when you're ready, and I'll recommend sources for you to gain knowledge of things you don't know. From there, you can make further decisions on your position regarding AnCap.

[Explodicle]

So how? How do you suggest we ensure that the most informed people are in a position to set policy? You don't support the status quo, you don't support AnCap, so I really want to hear your idea.

Let's start by having you (and anyone you know) getting informed. How does that sound? Is that too much? Obviously it doesn't go against what I have been saying. Tell me when you're ready, and I'll recommend sources for you to gain knowledge of things you don't know. From there, you can make further decisions on your position regarding AnCap.

Ok, then I'm ready. Post a source to this thread that explains your answer to the question I just asked. I will expect you to actually defend the position taken by this source.

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Einstein

[FirstAscent]

So how? How do you suggest we ensure that the most informed people are in a position to set policy? You don't support the status quo, you don't support AnCap, so I really want to hear your idea.

Let's start by having you (and anyone you know) getting informed. How does that sound? Is that too much? Obviously it doesn't go against what I have been saying. Tell me when you're ready, and I'll recommend sources for you to gain knowledge of things you don't know. From there, you can make further decisions on your position regarding AnCap.

Ok, then I'm ready. Post a source to this thread that explains your answer to the question I just asked. I will expect you to actually defend the position taken by this source.

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Einstein

I didn't provide an answer to your question. I suggested that you (that means you - not someone else) should gain more knowledge before promoting AnCap. However, the material which I might suggest you read does offer suggestions regarding your question, but more to the point, it will increase your knowledge to the point that it would probably cause you to seriously challenge your ideals.

[Explodicle]

So how? How do you suggest we ensure that the most informed people are in a position to set policy? You don't support the status quo, you don't support AnCap, so I really want to hear your idea.

Let's start by having you (and anyone you know) getting informed. How does that sound? Is that too much? Obviously it doesn't go against what I have been saying. Tell me when you're ready, and I'll recommend sources for you to gain knowledge of things you don't know. From there, you can make further decisions on your position regarding AnCap.

Ok, then I'm ready. Post a source to this thread that explains your answer to the question I just asked. I will expect you to actually defend the position taken by this source.

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Einstein

I didn't provide an answer to your question. I suggested that you (that means you - not someone else) should gain more knowledge before promoting AnCap.

No shit.

However, the material which I might suggest you read does offer suggestions regarding your question, but more to the point, it will increase your knowledge to the point that it would probably cause you to seriously challenge your ideals.

Awesome. Post whichever source best answers my question.