Venezuelan Army Can Shoot Protesters, Effective Immediately

[Chef Ramsay]

An internal ruling made by the Venezuelan Ministry of Defense, published on Tuesday, January 27, in state newsletter Gaceta Oficial, legalizes the use of lethal weapons by the national armed forces (FANB) against protesters.

Resolution 008610, signed by General-in-Chief and Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino López, establishes the “use of force, with a firearm or any other potentially lethal weapon” as the last resort to “prevent disorder, support the legitimately constituted authority, and counter all aggression, immediately confronting it with the necessary measures.”

The Constitution establishes that all human-rights treaties signed and ratified by Venezuela take precedence over any law or resolution issued by the Venezuelan state.

Article 68 of the Constitution, however, stipulates: “The use of firearms and toxic substances to control peaceful demonstrations is prohibited.”

The new measures also specify that a new Public Order Manual for state security services will be created within the next three months to facilitate training and prevent abuses. However, the new rules on the use of force are to be applied “immediately.”

Under Venezuelan law, the Defense Ministry does not have the authority to override or ignore the Constitution and the norms contained therein. María Esperanza Hermida, coordinator for enforcement in Venezuelan NGO (Provea) argued that the measure violates the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), as well as transferring competencies to the military which are the preserve of the civil police.

In an interview with the PanAm Post, Jose Vicente Haro, a Venezuelan university professor of constitutional law, said that restricting or limiting the application of human rights is a measure that can only be discussed in the National Assembly, as a bill subject to modification that must be approved by two-thirds of legislators, as outlined in Article 203 of the Constitution.

Haro also explained that Article 23 of the Constitution establishes that all human-rights treaties signed and ratified by Venezuela have an overriding constitutional character, taking precedence over any law or resolution issued by the Venezuelan state.

More...http://panampost.com/sabrina-martin/2015/01/29/venezuelan-army-can-shoot-protesters-effective-immediately/

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[Lethn]

Holy fuck! Shit just got real!

[pattu1]

Article 68 of the Constitution, however, stipulates: “The use of firearms and toxic substances to control peaceful demonstrations is prohibited.”

I guess if there is a riot-like situation, you would want the army to deal with it effectively.

[AtheistAKASaneBrain]

Venezuela is a roten country. What I don't get is, the elections are supposedly perfectly democratic. So, why these idiots keep voting the same retards to be on power? Did they really vote Chavez then this Maduro guy? its like a joke.

[(oYo)]

http://www.correntewire.com/nypd_hyper_militarization_escalates_with_brattons_srg_for_advanced_disorder_control

Bratton Escalates and/or Formalizes Militarization of NYPD to deal with "counter terrorism protection" and "advanced disorder control." There will be "vehicles equipped with machine guns." This unit will be "operational by summer" (how conveninent!) and will be housed in NYPD's very own Counterterrorism Bureau.

“It [SRG] will be equipped and trained in ways that our normal patrol officers are not, [does that mean they won't whack guys selling loosies? something else? hard to tell]” Commissioner Bill Bratton said Thursday.
“It will be equipped with all the extra heavy protective gear, with the long rifles and the machine guns that are unfortunately sometimes necessary in these ­instances.”

[Wilikon]

I have updated my old thread regarding venezuela, to keep the information together.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=330687.0


The Real Time Socialist Train Wreck (again) Happening Now in Venezuela is slowly rolling to its logical end. Again. And again. And again.

How sad.

[Bit_Happy]

An internal ruling made by the Venezuelan Ministry of Defense, published on Tuesday, January 27, in state newsletter Gaceta Oficial, legalizes the use of lethal weapons by the national armed forces (FANB) against protesters.

Resolution 008610, signed by General-in-Chief and Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino López, establishes the “use of force, with a firearm or any other potentially lethal weapon” as the last resort to “prevent disorder, support the legitimately constituted authority, and counter all aggression, immediately confronting it with the necessary measures.”

The Constitution establishes that all human-rights treaties signed and ratified by Venezuela take precedence over any law or resolution issued by the Venezuelan state.

Article 68 of the Constitution, however, stipulates: “The use of firearms and toxic substances to control peaceful demonstrations is prohibited.”

The new measures also specify that a new Public Order Manual for state security services will be created within the next three months to facilitate training and prevent abuses. However, the new rules on the use of force are to be applied “immediately.”

Under Venezuelan law, the Defense Ministry does not have the authority to override or ignore the Constitution and the norms contained therein. María Esperanza Hermida, coordinator for enforcement in Venezuelan NGO (Provea) argued that the measure violates the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), as well as transferring competencies to the military which are the preserve of the civil police.

In an interview with the PanAm Post, Jose Vicente Haro, a Venezuelan university professor of constitutional law, said that restricting or limiting the application of human rights is a measure that can only be discussed in the National Assembly, as a bill subject to modification that must be approved by two-thirds of legislators, as outlined in Article 203 of the Constitution.

Haro also explained that Article 23 of the Constitution establishes that all human-rights treaties signed and ratified by Venezuela have an overriding constitutional character, taking precedence over any law or resolution issued by the Venezuelan state.

More...http://panampost.com/sabrina-martin/2015/01/29/venezuelan-army-can-shoot-protesters-effective-immediately/

Hillary Clinton will enjoy having a like-minded neighbor in South America. 

[TheButterZone]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20120601/lt-venezuela-guns/
The #1 prerequisite for genocide^

[saddampbuh]

the venezuelan "protestors" are traitors who want to restore capitalism and hand the country over to the americans, they deserve to be shot

[Agestorzrxx]

Isn't that one of the main reasons Chavez came to power in the first place? That is, the authorities shooting protesters.

[Wilikon]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20120601/lt-venezuela-guns/
The #1 prerequisite for genocide^

The formula is always the same. Yet people fall to the same trap. Over. And over...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV1aYxCzepI

[Swordsoffreedom]

Article 68 of the Constitution, however, stipulates: “The use of firearms and toxic substances to control peaceful demonstrations is prohibited.”

I guess if there is a riot-like situation, you would want the army to deal with it effectively.

It does say it is to be used as a last resort considering its Military based with a Charismatic leadership not too far out of the way to say that the military could enforce it, makes me curious how strong they are at present in Venezeula.

The last resort to “prevent disorder, support the legitimately constituted authority, and counter all aggression, immediately confronting it with the necessary measures.”

Else Coup and then a military controlled state and what constitution lol.

(Anyways reading their comments suspicious of article)

Counter Argument
U.S. media is increasing its systematic negative coverage of Venezuela.
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/Venezuela-Coup-in-Real-Time-20150201-0015.html

[Lethn]

Venezuela is a roten country. What I don't get is, the elections are supposedly perfectly democratic. So, why these idiots keep voting the same retards to be on power? Did they really vote Chavez then this Maduro guy? its like a joke.

It makes you think doesn't it? If people keep voting these assholes in power then why do they complain about them so much? I often keep thinking about that in my own country, we have a choice of three equal assholes here but people somehow keep voting them into office.

[TheButterZone]

Perfectly democratic? They have E2E audited elections? No, as always (when it matters) the worst possible evil "wins".

[Gronthaing]

^ It's not perfect. But wasn't it Jimmy Carter who said the election process in Venezuela was the best he had monitored? Out of over 90 countries. Off-topic here, but I found it funny he certified elections in Venezuela were fair, but couldn't say the same of elections in the United States.

[Lethn]

^ It's not perfect. But wasn't it Jimmy Carter who said the election process in Venezuela was the best he had monitored? Out of over 90 countries. Off-topic here, but I found it funny he certified elections in Venezuela were fair, but couldn't say the same of elections in the United States.

Maybe by their 'standards' it was the best, I only tend to consider direct democracy to be a true democratic process because all that happens with other systems is you elect a dictator every term, once they're elected, all their promises go out the window.

[Gronthaing]

^ It's not perfect. But wasn't it Jimmy Carter who said the election process in Venezuela was the best he had monitored? Out of over 90 countries. Off-topic here, but I found it funny he certified elections in Venezuela were fair, but couldn't say the same of elections in the United States.

Maybe by their 'standards' it was the best, I only tend to consider direct democracy to be a true democratic process because all that happens with other systems is you elect a dictator every term, once they're elected, all their promises go out the window.

Sure. But we have to be realistic here. Good or bad the Venezuelan government is already under criticism and subversion by foreign governments and the Venezuelan elite, who want to regain control of the country. Can you imagine such a radical system like real popular democracy being implemented there without it leading to a civil war?

[TheButterZone]

^ It's not perfect. But wasn't it Jimmy Carter who said the election process in Venezuela was the best he had monitored? Out of over 90 countries. Off-topic here, but I found it funny he certified elections in Venezuela were fair, but couldn't say the same of elections in the United States.

Maybe by their 'standards' it was the best, I only tend to consider direct democracy to be a true democratic process because all that happens with other systems is you elect a dictator every term, once they're elected, all their promises go out the window.

Sure. But we have to be realistic here. Good or bad the Venezuelan government is already under criticism and subversion by foreign governments and the Venezuelan elite, who want to regain control of the country. Can you imagine such a radical system like real popular democracy being implemented there without it leading to a civil war?

It won't be a civil war, it'll be a democide, of the disarmed and defenseless.

[(oYo)]

http://www.correntewire.com/nypd_hyper_militarization_escalates_with_brattons_srg_for_advanced_disorder_control

Bratton Escalates and/or Formalizes Militarization of NYPD to deal with "counter terrorism protection" and "advanced disorder control." There will be "vehicles equipped with machine guns." This unit will be "operational by summer" (how conveninent!) and will be housed in NYPD's very own Counterterrorism Bureau.

“It [SRG] will be equipped and trained in ways that our normal patrol officers are not, [does that mean they won't whack guys selling loosies? something else? hard to tell]” Commissioner Bill Bratton said Thursday.
“It will be equipped with all the extra heavy protective gear, with the long rifles and the machine guns that are unfortunately sometimes necessary in these ­instances.”

A bit of good news regarding the previous report on the NYPD or SRG being equipped with machine guns during protests.

http://theantimedia.org/nypd-scraps-plan-to-use-machine-guns-at-protests/

“the most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don’t have any.”

With this concept at work (in reverse), citizens of New York and the United States successfully intimidated the NYPD from implementing a terrifying policy.

Wouldn't it be nice to see the Venezuelan Ministry of Defense also realize what a terrible decision they've made and follow suit?