[INITIATIVE] Stop all "altcoin wars" in one click

[Moon Follow Me]

Problem
It's not a secret that there are a lot of battles in altcoin section. coins adepts attack each other and it creates spam, flood, fud, offtopic and noncence. creating a moderated thread doesn't solve the problem. mods remove all these useless posts but spamers create new ones. and mods can't work nonstop. what to do?
 
Solution
i suggest to code a feature like "ban a user from own topic so he/she couldn't post in the topic any longer (read-only in this topic)"
something like this:
https://i.imgur.com/96ZO85U.jpg

this will work because creating a spam account takes let's say 5 minutes. to "ban" this account it takes less than 5 seconds. majority of fudders/flooders/spamers will be gone.

Results
- saving mods' time
- no more fud
- no more flood
- no more other noncence
- civil discussions
- reincarnates the section

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[Quickseller]

I don't think this would work very well. It would prevent people from expressing legitimate concerns about your altcoin.

[CanaryInTheMine]

we have free speech.

[Moon Follow Me]

I don't think this would work very well. It would prevent people from expressing legitimate concerns about your altcoin.

1) there are moderated threads where OPs remove all unwanted messages.
2) people can create own topic in the altcoin discussion section and discuss it without moderation

in brief, this is like moderated thread but saves more time because you don't need to watch your thread 24/7 and remove BS. you just need to ban fudders let's say once a day.

we have free speech.

we have moderated threads = censorship

[Quickseller]

You have self moderated threads which allows the OP to delete unwanted posts. However most self moderated threads that are active in deleting critical posts are scams, this would only make it easier for scams to be successful.

The most common legit reason why OP's of self moderated threads delete posts is because they are spam. It would be possible for the same person who spammed a thread to later make a legit post with good points.

All threads are moderated, just not self moderated

[ocminer]

People dont want and need to be censored, you can start your own forum if you want that ;-)

[hilariousandco]

It's been suggested before somewhere. It's not necessarily a bad idea, though I wouldn't use it, but I wouldn't ever self-moderate a thread either.

I don't think this would work very well. It would prevent people from expressing legitimate concerns about your altcoin.

Not really much difference between self-modding a thread. Of course people would abuse it but people can just create their own thread anyway.

[Quickseller]

When someone is deleting posts on a self moderated thread (and they are scamming) then people often are going to post their warnings a second time (and subsequent times as necessary).

This would really not work anyway because people could just create an additional account when they get banned from posting in it

[Moon Follow Me]

You have self moderated threads which allows the OP to delete unwanted posts. However most self moderated threads that are active in deleting critical posts are scams, this would only make it easier for scams to be successful.

The most common legit reason why OP's of self moderated threads delete posts is because they are spam. It would be possible for the same person who spammed a thread to later make a legit post with good points.

All threads are moderated, just not self moderated

2) people can create own topic in the altcoin discussion section and discuss it without moderation

this really saves a lot of time. this would be good for all of us (except sockpuppet masters of course)

When someone is deleting posts on a self moderated thread (and they are scamming) then people often are going to post their warnings a second time (and subsequent times as necessary).

This would really not work anyway because people could just create an additional account when they get banned from posting in it

this will work because creating a spam account takes let's say 5 minutes. to "ban" this account it takes less than 5 seconds. majority of fudders/flooders/spamers will be gone.

please re-read the topic before posting next time

[CanaryInTheMine]

I don't think this would work very well. It would prevent people from expressing legitimate concerns about your altcoin.

1) there are moderated threads where OPs remove all unwanted messages.
2) people can create own topic in the altcoin discussion section and discuss it without moderation

in brief, this is like moderated thread but saves more time because you don't need to watch your thread 24/7 and remove BS. you just need to ban fudders let's say once a day.

we have free speech.

we have moderated threads = censorship

it tells you when a thread is moderated, so participating is your choice (or not), you are free to choose.

[hilariousandco]

When someone is deleting posts on a self moderated thread (and they are scamming) then people often are going to post their warnings a second time (and subsequent times as necessary).

This would really not work anyway because people could just create an additional account when they get banned from posting in it

But trolls also do the same. People are already sceptical of users who self-mod threads anyway and they will be even more so when they're banning legit users. You could also say banning doesn't work because they can just create a new account. They usually get bored of doing so pretty quick.

[Quickseller]

Your logic is invalid. As mentioned in other threads on here, some people are creating accounts via bots. They could probably create accounts and post faster then you can "ban" a user.

Additionally you are lacking a non-scam use of this proposed feature. If someone is actually breaking the rules then you can report the posts for a moderator to take action against them, or you can send a PM to a mod, or you can create a thread here about their activity.

[Moon Follow Me]

there should also be email verification and non-breakable captcha (like https://www.keycaptcha.com/ - friendly for humans, deadly for bots). this would increase time for creating an account for sockpuppet masters. most of them will be gone. the whole altcoin section is going nowhere without things like that.

[dogie]

It's been suggested before somewhere. It's not necessarily a bad idea, though I wouldn't use it, but I wouldn't ever self-moderate a thread either.

I don't think this would work very well. It would prevent people from expressing legitimate concerns about your altcoin.

Not really much difference between self-modding a thread. Of course people would abuse it but people can just create their own thread anyway.

Its in the unofficial rules that OPs have the right to create a set of rules, and to have those enforced. If the OP in an altcoin thread doesn't want some users to post in their thread, then they have that right to a peaceful discussion. Self moderated threads and deleting posts as an OP just makes the trolls madder and post more often, as soon as they get notifications that their previous posts were deleted.

26. Local thread rules, if stated properly when the thread was started, specific enough and don't conflict with the forum rules, have to be followed.[e]

[Moon Follow Me]

i'm not sure about someone being skeptical regarding moderated threads. there are tons of them (legit coins):

Counterparty  - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=395761.0
NODE  - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=590421.0
NEM - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.0
Monero - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753252.0
Qora - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=881230.0

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[Quickseller]

there should also be email verification and non-breakable captcha (like https://www.keycaptcha.com/ - friendly for humans, deadly for bots). this would increase time for creating an account for sockpuppet masters. most of them will be gone. the whole altcoin section is going nowhere without things like that.

email verification makes it more difficult for people to operate anon. The ability to be anon is very highly valued. A more difficult captcha is going to be more difficult for legit users.

If your altcoin has actual potential/value then over the long term people will see that and will ignore the trolls.

[Moon Follow Me]

there should also be email verification and non-breakable captcha (like https://www.keycaptcha.com/ - friendly for humans, deadly for bots). this would increase time for creating an account for sockpuppet masters. most of them will be gone. the whole altcoin section is going nowhere without things like that.

email verification makes it more difficult for people to operate anon. The ability to be anon is very highly valued. A more difficult captcha is going to be more difficult for legit users.

If your altcoin has actual potential/value then over the long term people will see that and will ignore the trolls.

1) about email: majority of users don't care about their privacy
2) the rest can register an anon one at safe-mail.net for example or service like 10minutemail.com
UPD: anyway you need an email to register or recover password

[hilariousandco]

Your logic is invalid. As mentioned in other threads on here, some people are creating accounts via bots. They could probably create accounts and post faster then you can "ban" a user.

No it isn't. Trolls aren't really using bots to create their accounts; those tend to just be spambots and the user can just ban them as fast too, but that's their prerogative, but you could make the same argument about self-modded threads.

Additionally you are lacking a non-scam use of this proposed feature. If someone is actually breaking the rules then you can report the posts for a moderator to take action against them, or you can send a PM to a mod, or you can create a thread here about their activity.

Again, no I'm not. Are you proposing there's no non-scammy reason to self-mod a thread? Trolls who repeatedly post in someones thread can be banned if they've been told not to and this would cut work out for the mods who don't have to deal with such petty instances. If we have self-modded threads then this isn't really much different and those who want to comment without censorship will just do so in a new thread just like they do with self-modded ones they want to freely comment on.

[Quickseller]

Your logic is invalid. As mentioned in other threads on here, some people are creating accounts via bots. They could probably create accounts and post faster then you can "ban" a user.

No it isn't. Trolls aren't really using bots to create their accounts; those tend to just be spambots and the user can just ban them as fast too, but that's their prerogative, but you could make the same argument about self-modded threads.

I would think, at least in theory that most of the trolls are trolling other alt coins because they want to destroy the competition. If they had to resort to using bots then they may do so. Although I admit this argument is somewhat weak.

Additionally you are lacking a non-scam use of this proposed feature. If someone is actually breaking the rules then you can report the posts for a moderator to take action against them, or you can send a PM to a mod, or you can create a thread here about their activity.

Again, no I'm not. Are you proposing there's no non-scammy reason to self-mod a thread?

There are very few non-scammy reasons to create a self moderated thread. The most responsible way to do so is to make your own post of what you delete, or otherwise preserve what is deleted for public view. this is an example of this.

There are other reasons to delete messages on self moderated threads that are legit but they are few and far between.

Trolls who repeatedly post in someones thread can be banned if they've been told not to and this would cut work out for the mods who don't have to deal with such petty instances.

I would say if someone is truly breaking the rules then they should be dealt with by the mods (e.g. with a forum ban) as if they troll one thread they will likely troll other threads as well.

Just because someone spams a thread one time does not mean they will repeatedly do so. That person should have the right to add something to the conversation at a later time. If the mods will ban someone for actually breaking the rules then there is no legit reason for someone to ban someone from a specific thread.

If we have self-modded threads then this isn't really much different and those who want to comment without censorship will just do so in a new thread just like they do with self-modded ones they want to freely comment on.

Well it makes it more difficult for someone like tomatocage or Vod (or the altcoin equivalent) to warn others about a potential scam. If someone were to create an uncensored version of a scam coin then it may not get posted in as much so it would quickly get lost while the self moderated thread would remain active.

[SaltySpitoon]

1) about email: majority of users don't care about their privacy
2) the rest can register an anon one at safe-mail.net for example or service like 10minutemail.com
UPD: anyway you need an email to register or recover password

Uhhhh.... no. The majority of users value their privacy above all other things. Just self moderate your threads if its an issue.

[Moon Follow Me]

1) about email: majority of users don't care about their privacy
2) the rest can register an anon one at safe-mail.net for example or service like 10minutemail.com
UPD: anyway you need an email to register or recover password

Uhhhh.... no. The majority of users value their privacy above all other things. Just self moderate your threads if its an issue.

upd: please re-read the topic. this is not only my issue

[Moon Follow Me]

@SaltySpitoon
i also wonder how email verification affects on privacy?

[Hatch]

I agree...

What needs to be clearly understood is that opposition and hard discussions are not the issue. It is single individuals creating MULTIPLE disposable accounts to flood a topic with disinformation that is the problem.

Another idea that might make a nice option is a simple "full member" voting ban.

If enough "full member" (or higher maybe) participants in a thread vote you out because of your spam or disrespect, your gone. If you feel you were wronged, then you can try to appeal it through normal channels with the mods.

That would allow the majority of valued participants in a thread to stop excessive spam fud, and give EVERYONE an incentive to express themselves with proof AND respect, or take a chance of losing their current posting personality.

[dogie]

then you can try to appeal it through normal channels with the mods.

There are no mod appeal channels, very little on here is appeal-able per sais.

That would allow the majority of valued participants in a thread to stop excessive spam fud, and give EVERYONE an incentive to express themselves with proof AND respect, or take a chance of losing their current posting personality.

How does that fix your issue of multi accounting, that would just feed it? The more accounts you have in your example, the more power you have and the more members you can expel. So the more power you have.

[hilariousandco]

Another idea that might make a nice option is a simple "full member" voting ban.

If enough "full member" (or higher maybe) participants in a thread vote you out because of your spam or disrespect, your gone. If you feel you were wronged, then you can try to appeal it through normal channels with the mods.

That would allow the majority of valued participants in a thread to stop excessive spam fud, and give EVERYONE an incentive to express themselves with proof AND respect, or take a chance of losing their current posting personality.

This has been suggested before and it's a terrible idea and always gets shot down for the reasons dogie stated. People will just abuse this to stifle or get rid of discussion they don't like. Not easy to farm or buy the required amount of Full Members to abuse this.

[BitcoinEXpress]

@OP,


None of this is needed.

The "altcoin wars" thing is highly exaggerated.

Sure, there are some immature people but by far and large most aren't.

Just use the ignore feature.

Free speech is what is needed to prevent scammers, not censorship.


~BCX~

[redsn0w]

I think the email verification here was "removed" for  prevent any type of spam:

Changed the registration to require e-mail confirmation. The confirmation mail contains the user-given password, this might need fixing.

Is there any reason to have e-mail confirmation? If you're doing that out of spam concerns, I've already got that covered. I made some customizations to the registration HTML so any spambots designed for SMF won't be able to figure it out. The CAPTCHA image URL requires an extra parameter,
and there are 3 different CAPTCHA images, but only one shows because the others have stuff like width=0 height=0.

Yes, spam prevention was the purpose, but if there's no spam problem with immediate registration, I'll turn the e-mail activation off.

Source:  https://bitcointalk.org/first_topics/4.pdf

[Moon Follow Me]

@OP,


None of this is needed.

The "altcoin wars" thing is highly exaggerated.

Sure, there are some immature people but by far and large most aren't.

Just use the ignore feature.

Free speech is what is needed to prevent scammers, not censorship.


~BCX~

when it comes to blatant false scam accusations, ignoring the facts, repeating same fud OVER AND OVER AGAIN like this:

https://archive.today/Qcvj5
https://archive.today/B2r2m

open dialog is not enough.

and again, mods don't wanna ban them after several rules violations = support from administration to sockpuppet terror

mods don't even wanna close the old spreadcoin topic so fudders could continue spreading fud: https://archive.today/o6IXi (mod asks the topic op to report about it although he banned)

[Quickseller]

Another way to stop the "altcoin wars" is to simply stop making worthless altcoins. With the exception of NMC they give absolutely nothing of value that Bitcoin cannot/doesn't offer. With the exception of maybe less then 5 other altcoins none of them are in any way unique from other altcoins.

Chances are that anyone spreading "FUD" is actually speaking honestly about your coin.

[Moon Follow Me]

Another way to stop the life is to simply stop making worthless breathes.

fixed for you. no cryptos evolution (making new altcoins) = death of the ecosystem

upd: fyi, there are tons of coins being fud'ded right now.

[Quickseller]

Well considering that with one exception no altcoin has offered anything of value that bitcoin does not offer, to date altcoins have not caused crypto currencies to evolve in any way.

[redsn0w]

Well considering that with one exception no altcoin has offered anything of value that bitcoin does not offer, to date altcoins have not caused crypto currencies to evolve in any way.

Altcoin is a fast/easy way to gain some bitcoin, it is obvious that I will never use litecoin / dogecoin to buy something. Insted I will use bitcoin.

[Quickseller]

Well considering that with one exception no altcoin has offered anything of value that bitcoin does not offer, to date altcoins have not caused crypto currencies to evolve in any way.

Altcoin is a fast/easy way to gain some bitcoin, it is obvious that I will never use litecoin / dogecoin to buy something. Insted I will use bitcoin.

how do you get bitcoin with altcoins? Do you mean by creating new altcoins?

[redsn0w]

Well considering that with one exception no altcoin has offered anything of value that bitcoin does not offer, to date altcoins have not caused crypto currencies to evolve in any way.

Altcoin is a fast/easy way to gain some bitcoin, it is obvious that I will never use litecoin / dogecoin to buy something. Insted I will use bitcoin.

how do you get bitcoin with altcoins? Do you mean by creating new altcoins?

For example, I will participate in an ico/ipo and buy some shares. After I will sell this shares and gain 20-30% more of bitcoin. At the end no one care about altcoin, the final coin that all want is BTC.

[SaltySpitoon]

when it comes to blatant false scam accusations, ignoring the facts, repeating same fud OVER AND OVER AGAIN like this:

https://archive.today/Qcvj5
https://archive.today/B2r2m

open dialog is not enough.

and again, mods don't wanna ban them after several rules violations = support from administration to sockpuppet terror

mods don't even wanna close the old spreadcoin topic so fudders could continue spreading fud: https://archive.today/o6IXi (mod asks the topic op to report about it although he banned)

Those posts aren't against the rules. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean people can't speak their minds. If you reported those posts, I would have checked to see if the person was creating threads/posting to up their post count, if not, it would have been left alone.

Mods won't close the old spreadcoin topic until the OP asks, you can't just ask to have someone else's thread locked, Grue told the OP of that thread exactly what to do
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946074.msg10362680#msg10362680

I think my advice to you at this point since you aren't getting it, is to make your own forums where you can censor people as you wish, we just aren't really into that. Spam != people you disagree with.

[Quickseller]

Well considering that with one exception no altcoin has offered anything of value that bitcoin does not offer, to date altcoins have not caused crypto currencies to evolve in any way.

Altcoin is a fast/easy way to gain some bitcoin, it is obvious that I will never use litecoin / dogecoin to buy something. Insted I will use bitcoin.

how do you get bitcoin with altcoins? Do you mean by creating new altcoins?

For example, I will participate in an ico/ipo and buy some shares. After I will sell this shares and gain 20-30% more of bitcoin. At the end no one care about altcoin, the final coin that all want is BTC.

This would require you to have Bitcoin already and it assumes that the price of the altcoin increases which is the opposite of what altcoins tend to do, at least over long enough periods of time.

[Moon Follow Me]

when it comes to blatant false scam accusations, ignoring the facts, repeating same fud OVER AND OVER AGAIN like this:

https://archive.today/Qcvj5
https://archive.today/B2r2m

open dialog is not enough.

and again, mods don't wanna ban them after several rules violations = support from administration to sockpuppet terror

mods don't even wanna close the old spreadcoin topic so fudders could continue spreading fud: https://archive.today/o6IXi (mod asks the topic op to report about it although he banned)

Those posts aren't against the rules. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean people can't speak their minds. If you reported those posts, I would have checked to see if the person was creating threads/posting to up their post count, if not, it would have been left alone.

Mods won't close the old spreadcoin topic until the OP asks, you can't just ask to have someone else's thread locked, Grue told the OP of that thread exactly what to do
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946074.msg10362680#msg10362680

I think my advice to you at this point since you aren't getting it, is to make your own forums where you can censor people as you wish, we just aren't really into that. Spam != people you disagree with.

1) how can he (op - spr topic op) report BEING BANNED? if he wasn't he would close the topic himself.
2) well if rules allow such "free speech" i will create 10 topics saying bitcoin is a scam. aren't you against, are you?

Well considering that with one exception no altcoin has offered anything of value that bitcoin does not offer, to date altcoins have not caused crypto currencies to evolve in any way.

Altcoin is a fast/easy way to gain some bitcoin, it is obvious that I will never use litecoin / dogecoin to buy something. Insted I will use bitcoin.

how do you get bitcoin with altcoins? Do you mean by creating new altcoins?

For example, I will participate in an ico/ipo and buy some shares. After I will sell this shares and gain 20-30% more of bitcoin. At the end no one care about altcoin, the final coin that all want is BTC.

you are wrong about it. my target always has been $. bitcoin died in nov 2013. it has been dropping for more than a year. i don't hold that junk

[SaltySpitoon]

1) how can he (op - spr topic op) report BEING BANNED? if he wasn't he would close the topic himself.
2) well if rules allow such "free speech" i will create 10 topics saying bitcoin is a scam. aren't you against, are you?

get him to report the topic, and put the request in the report.

1) You can log in when you are banned, you can't post or send PMs. By having the OP report the thread, and say "please lock the topic" as the comment, we know that it is really the OP's wishes to lock the topic.

2) If you create 10 topics over a period of time suitable, and with different information ie not just reposting the same thread over and over, given that isn't spam, go for it.

[fonenumba]

you are wrong about it. my target always has been $. bitcoin died in nov 2013. it has been dropping for more than a year. i don't hold that junk

You are a fool. Since nov 2013 the price of almost every altcoin has declined against the price of bitcoin. As a result in terms of $'s most alts have declined more then that of bitcoin. If you say that bitcoin died in nov 2013 then you would also say that scamcoins died at the same time.

FWIW this person is now posting FUD in the bitcoin section that is 100% untrue.IMO the best way to solve the problem of altcoin wars is to get rid of the altcoin section all together, having it is a waste of forum resources