Payment Not Delivered by "R-" for Work Rendered

[stochastic]

As for him owing you $70, that's not really correct. If you charge back the whole $70 (which I would do), then you basically got 4 free bitcoins. The payment owed is owed at the time of the transaction agreement.

Nothing is being charged back. I bought 12.5 BTC for $70, but only recieved 4.5 BTC. Therefore I am owed 8 BTC. He does not owe me any USD at all.

I'm fine with just giving R- a scammer tag and leaving it at that, unless he wants to send the 8 BTC to me and also the 36 BTC owed to OP. However, I think that outcome is unlikely.

You won't lose your PayPal account if you call your credit card company and ask for a chargeback because of fraud.  It was fraud on the part of the seller as they did not give you the items you paid for.  I have done chargebacks for thousands of dollars (because of hosting companies failing to live up to their TOS) and my PayPal account has never been closed.

It takes about 30 - 45 days, but the longer you wait the more likely you won't get your money back.

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[BrightAnarchist]

As for him owing you $70, that's not really correct. If you charge back the whole $70 (which I would do), then you basically got 4 free bitcoins. The payment owed is owed at the time of the transaction agreement.

Nothing is being charged back. I bought 12.5 BTC for $70, but only recieved 4.5 BTC. Therefore I am owed 8 BTC. He does not owe me any USD at all.

I'm fine with just giving R- a scammer tag and leaving it at that, unless he wants to send the 8 BTC to me and also the 36 BTC owed to OP. However, I think that outcome is unlikely.

You won't lose your PayPal account if you call your credit card company and ask for a chargeback because of fraud.  It was fraud on the part of the seller as they did not give you the items you paid for.  I have done chargebacks for thousands of dollars (because of hosting companies failing to live up to their TOS) and my PayPal account has never been closed.

It takes about 30 - 45 days, but the longer you wait the more likely you won't get your money back.

Meh, I'll see what happens. Paypal wouldn't let me cancel the dispute anyway, so I guess in 5 more days I'll know what they're going to do, and then I can just take it from there.

I don't think it's worth bothering beyond that for a measly 8 BTC. I mean, I really don't want to discuss digital currency with my CC company or paypal.

It's more about the principle of it, which is why a scammer tag is basically the same to me as getting paid back the 8 coins. Either way is fine. It would be totally different if it were something like 100 BTC of course.

[Mushroomized]

It seems as though someones using my work as their own.. http://www.btcwallet.org/2012/07/03/info-graphic-bitcoin/

See other postings here - http://tinyurl.com/bsokoou

I'm not exactly sure why they are using it, or if it has any connection to R-, but, the changed the last part of the graphic referring readers to weusecoins or bitcoin.org, so I'm not exactly sure why. Also, my donation address still remains in tact.

[TECSHARE]

So R- has been active on the forums but hasn't even bothered to counter these multiple claims of scamming. Can we get a tag for this guy?

[Maged]

So R- has been active on the forums but hasn't even bothered to counter these multiple claims of scamming.

We're working on it, don't worry. A payment on the first claim has just been sent.

[Mushroomized]

So R- has been active on the forums but hasn't even bothered to counter these multiple claims of scamming.

We're working on it, don't worry. A payment on the first claim has just been sent.

he just gave me 3.5 more. I honestly don't know whats going on anymore

[unclemantis]

It seems as though someones using my work as their own.. http://www.btcwallet.org/2012/07/03/info-graphic-bitcoin/

See other postings here - http://tinyurl.com/bsokoou

Looks like people think it is open license.

I say write this off as a contribution to the bitcoin community and move on.

Take the time you are putting into trying to squeeze blood from a stone and put it towards getting new clients!

Add this to your portfolio though. If people have seen it and they say "You did this?" Then this is a GOOD THING!

[Mushroomized]

It seems as though someones using my work as their own.. http://www.btcwallet.org/2012/07/03/info-graphic-bitcoin/

See other postings here - http://tinyurl.com/bsokoou

Looks like people think it is open license.

I say write this off as a contribution to the bitcoin community and move on.

Take the time you are putting into trying to squeeze blood from a stone and put it towards getting new clients!

Add this to your portfolio though. If people have seen it and they say "You did this?" Then this is a GOOD THING!

Yep, I agree, however it its kind of sad they edited the bitcoin.org out of it, since thats, like bitcoins site.

[John (John K.)]

It seems as though someones using my work as their own.. http://www.btcwallet.org/2012/07/03/info-graphic-bitcoin/

See other postings here - http://tinyurl.com/bsokoou

Looks like people think it is open license.

I say write this off as a contribution to the bitcoin community and move on.

Take the time you are putting into trying to squeeze blood from a stone and put it towards getting new clients!

Add this to your portfolio though. If people have seen it and they say "You did this?" Then this is a GOOD THING!

Yep, I agree, however it its kind of sad they edited the bitcoin.org out of it, since thats, like bitcoins site.

I see the bitcoin.org wording in the center though. 

[TECSHARE]

It seems as though someones using my work as their own.. http://www.btcwallet.org/2012/07/03/info-graphic-bitcoin/

See other postings here - http://tinyurl.com/bsokoou

Looks like people think it is open license.

I say write this off as a contribution to the bitcoin community and move on.

Take the time you are putting into trying to squeeze blood from a stone and put it towards getting new clients!

Add this to your portfolio though. If people have seen it and they say "You did this?" Then this is a GOOD THING!

R- clearly didn't honor his agreement, an IMO should be held accountable just as any other person would be committing other forms of theft on the forum. Not taking action against him puts Mushroomized as well as every other designer here at more risk of the same happening again. If he wants to honor it now, fine, but I have a feeling he is going to continue these pitiful partial payments, wasting as much time as possible hoping everyone will just give up so he doesn't have to pay the total. Those things aside, the promised payment was quite large. He would have to do a LOT of jobs to make that much. I see no reason why he shouldn't see this through. You would expect better behavior from a forum VIP, it makes us all look bad.

[paraipan]

It seems as though someones using my work as their own.. http://www.btcwallet.org/2012/07/03/info-graphic-bitcoin/

See other postings here - http://tinyurl.com/bsokoou

Looks like people think it is open license.

I say write this off as a contribution to the bitcoin community and move on.

Take the time you are putting into trying to squeeze blood from a stone and put it towards getting new clients!

Add this to your portfolio though. If people have seen it and they say "You did this?" Then this is a GOOD THING!

R- clearly didn't honor his agreement, an IMO should be held accountable just as any other person would be committing other forms of theft on the forum. Not taking action against him puts Mushroomized as well as every other designer here at more risk of the same happening again. If he wants to honor it now, fine, but I have a feeling he is going to continue these pitiful partial payments, wasting as much time as possible hoping everyone will just give up so he doesn't have to pay the total. Those things aside, the promised payment was quite large. He would have to do a LOT of jobs to make that much. I see no reason why he shouldn't see this through. You would expect better behavior from a forum VIP, it makes us all look bad.

^this +1

[Chalkbot]

Although R is claiming to be unable to retrieve his Bitcoins in order to pay for what he agreed to, he is still clearly looking to spend those nonexistant Bitcoins.
 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=82719.msg1031622#msg1031622)

Apparently he's also paying people to drink milk.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=55258.msg1061855#msg1061855

[Mushroomized]

Although R is claiming to be unable to retrieve his Bitcoins in order to pay for what he agreed to, he is still clearly looking to spend those nonexistant Bitcoins.
 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=82719.msg1031622#msg1031622)

Apparently he's also paying people to drink milk.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=55258.msg1061855#msg1061855

Too bad I'm lactose intolerant.

[Coinoisseur]

Would have expected Bunalula to have posted in this thread by now. Perhaps there should be a "Slow Pay" tag which can be converted to the "Scammer" tag after 30 days if the BTC stops trickling in?

[Mushroomized]

6.7 sent to me today, that makes 22.8 left. I will continue to update this thread as I receive payment.

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6.70 sent. Thank you for being so patient.
https://blockchain.info/address/15XUdj8CdWTNQjq4g3y5JhbGpiAFrHqQyj

Please may you consider closing the thread? I am trying my best to pay you back bit by bit.

R-"

After I am paid off, I will post that you have paid me off, and then I will decide if I close the thread or not.

[BrightAnarchist]

After I am paid off, I will post that you have paid me off, and then I will decide if I close the thread or not.

Please keep this thread open at least until I am also repaid. Thanks

[Maged]

I'm very glad to see that this is moving forward.

[finkleshnorts]

Would have expected Bunalula to have posted in this thread by now.

Some say he's unclemantis

[rjk]

Shouldn't he at least be stripped of his VIP title if he isn't being marked as a scammer?

[Maged]

Shouldn't he at least be stripped of his VIP title if he isn't being marked as a scammer?

No, he's making good progress on paying this back.