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July 25, 2012, 11:51:48 AM
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/579913_3D_printed_lower___yes__it_works_.html




So he said he has fired over 200 rounds so far with no problems. What does this mean for society? We will probably live to see an age where 3d printers can make anything out of poop and dirt, and then  a 3d printer that can make a 3d printer! Bottom line, fuck patents, ring in the printer's age.

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July 25, 2012, 11:56:26 AM
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Someone reads reddit. 3d printers can print 3 printers already...

And means absolutely nothing for society.
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July 25, 2012, 11:56:52 AM
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Wow. The implications of that are pretty far reaching.

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July 26, 2012, 05:13:51 PM
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/579913_3D_printed_lower___yes__it_works_.html




So he said he has fired over 200 rounds so far with no problems. What does this mean for society? We will probably live to see an age where 3d printers can make anything out of poop and dirt, and then  a 3d printer that can make a 3d printer! Bottom line, fuck patents, ring in the printer's age.

Nice. And if my understanding of the US gun laws are correct, since that makes you the "manufacturer" of the weapon (the lower receiver, with the serial number is, effectively the "gun", and everything else can be bought as replacement parts), you don't have to register it or anything?

And yes, Printers can already make ~60% of the parts needed to make another printer. Certainly all the structural parts, and they're working on the control circuits. Printing circuit boards is a complex process.

Here's a nifty little story By Cory Doctorow, "Printcrime" http://craphound.com/?p=573

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July 26, 2012, 07:23:58 PM
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Sweet. There is a hackerspace here in Madison. I may have to take the printer class now.

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July 27, 2012, 12:30:54 AM
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/579913_3D_printed_lower___yes__it_works_.html




So he said he has fired over 200 rounds so far with no problems. What does this mean for society? We will probably live to see an age where 3d printers can make anything out of poop and dirt, and then  a 3d printer that can make a 3d printer! Bottom line, fuck patents, ring in the printer's age.

Nice. And if my understanding of the US gun laws are correct, since that makes you the "manufacturer" of the weapon (the lower receiver, with the serial number is, effectively the "gun", and everything else can be bought as replacement parts), you don't have to register it or anything?

And yes, Printers can already make ~60% of the parts needed to make another printer. Certainly all the structural parts, and they're working on the control circuits. Printing circuit boards is a complex process.

Here's a nifty little story By Cory Doctorow, "Printcrime" http://craphound.com/?p=573

Even if you made a zip gun out of some old steel pipe, according to the law you are still required to register it.

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July 27, 2012, 12:54:18 AM
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Even if you made a zip gun out of some old steel pipe, according to the law you are still required to register it.

Ah well. I did say I might be wrong. Wink

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July 29, 2012, 03:18:39 PM
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You are supposed to register as a firearm manufacturer, there are different regulations for manufacture than ownership. All firearms require a serial number therefore defacto registration.

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July 29, 2012, 03:25:12 PM
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You are supposed to register as a firearm manufacturer, there are different regulations for manufacture than ownership. All firearms require a serial number therefore defacto registration.
Having a serial number does not mean you have to "register" with anyone other than yourself.

You don't have to apply for a license to be a firearms manufacturer unless you start selling them.

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July 29, 2012, 07:09:52 PM
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You don't have to apply for a license to be a firearms manufacturer unless you start selling them.

Everything I've read supports this.

(I know you're not a lawyer but: ) Does non-profit transfer, ie a gift, count?

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July 29, 2012, 07:22:44 PM
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You don't have to apply for a license to be a firearms manufacturer unless you start selling them.

Everything I've read supports this.

(I know you're not a lawyer but: ) Does non-profit transfer, ie a gift, count?
Probably doesn't legally, but if I was making my own lowers, I wouldn't risk them being in the wild. The ATF has gone to extreme lengths to put people who haven't broken the law in prison.

OTOH, you can get whoever you want to give it to to come over and press "print" and then they made it on your equipment. Much safer.

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July 29, 2012, 07:29:57 PM
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You don't have to apply for a license to be a firearms manufacturer unless you start selling them.

Everything I've read supports this.

(I know you're not a lawyer but: ) Does non-profit transfer, ie a gift, count?
Probably doesn't legally, but if I was making my own lowers, I wouldn't risk them being in the wild. The ATF has gone to extreme length to put people who haven't broken the law in prison.

OTOH, you can get whoever you want to give it to to come over and press "print" and then they made it on your equipment. Much safer.

That makes sense. Thanks.

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July 29, 2012, 10:53:48 PM
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You don't have to apply for a license to be a firearms manufacturer unless you start selling them.

Everything I've read supports this.

(I know you're not a lawyer but: ) Does non-profit transfer, ie a gift, count?

Well, depending on the situation and person, maybe it's just easier (and possibly cheaper) in the long-term to gift them a 3D printer instead?

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July 29, 2012, 11:34:52 PM
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Well, depending on the situation and person, maybe it's just easier (and possibly cheaper) in the long-term to gift them a 3D printer instead?

Not a bad idea, there.

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July 30, 2012, 03:48:26 PM
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You are supposed to register as a firearm manufacturer, there are different regulations for manufacture than ownership. All firearms require a serial number therefore defacto registration.
Having a serial number does not mean you have to "register" with anyone other than yourself.

You don't have to apply for a license to be a firearms manufacturer unless you start selling them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968

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July 30, 2012, 03:55:53 PM
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The means to manufacture weapons (guns) has been available to most people at the cost of 1-2K USD in machining equipment and a little ingenuity.

For example, some interesting submachine gun plans here http://thehomegunsmith.com/

I've had an idea for a Six Shooter Shotgun made from pipes floating around my head for the last couple of days (making a single shot - shotgun requires some steel pipes, a bit of wod and a nail).

The most difficult part to machine is the rifling in the barrel (the lack of which makes the above sub-machine gun very innacurate).

All 3D printers do is bring this ability to someone who doesn't do metalwork.

Really I'm surprised that there are not traveling arms factories drifting around places like the US, UK and other countries, they'd make a fortune pumping out cheap, low quality guns and ammo.


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July 30, 2012, 04:07:17 PM
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You are supposed to register as a firearm manufacturer, there are different regulations for manufacture than ownership. All firearms require a serial number therefore defacto registration.
Having a serial number does not mean you have to "register" with anyone other than yourself.

You don't have to apply for a license to be a firearms manufacturer unless you start selling them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968

From your own link:
"Firearms manufactured prior to the Gun Control Act and firearms manufactured by non-FFLs remain exempt from the serial number requirement."


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July 30, 2012, 05:42:48 PM
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When technology evolves to the point that everyone has the ability to give themselves the tech to build a device in their own garage that can blow the world up, it stands to reason that there will be at least one that will do so. Is that exciting, or is it definitely not so exciting?
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July 30, 2012, 06:15:54 PM
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When technology evolves to the point that everyone has the ability to give themselves the tech to build a device in their own garage that can blow the world up, it stands to reason that there will be at least one that will do so. Is that exciting, or is it definitely not so exciting?
M16s can destroy worlds?

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When technology evolves to the point that everyone has the ability to give themselves the tech to build a device in their own garage that can blow the world up, it stands to reason that there will be at least one that will do so. Is that exciting, or is it definitely not so exciting?
M16s can destroy worlds?

Totally missed the philosophical observation on the inevitable trajectory of technology and the slippery slope it creates, did you?
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