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February 23, 2015, 04:59:27 PM
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Since they've made exactly one home miner ever. Granted it's a really freakin' good one...

Lets be fair, if it wasn't priced to clear then it wouldn't be nearly as popular compared to S5s [if they didn't also have jet fans] or the Avalon4. Really the Avalon4 is what the SP20 should have been in terms of design.

Avalon seems to be a good miner and silent, but the price is just too far out there to be considered.

Question is the next home miner.

I suspect there will be few if any options left given the push to larger more powerful units in order to save costs.

No more "home" miners will likely be built in the next generation of miners.

yeah no home mining other then using it for a space heater seems to be what will happen.

  I will keep the s-3's and use a timer for my friends office.  they will turn on at 6am and run until 6pm .  he used a spaceheater before these.  the office was too cold in the summer due to ac and in the winter due to lack of heat from the landlord.

 I will keep the avalon 4.1.
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I think I may sell off all my coins.  Turn into a bear and just scan and lurk hoping for coins to bottom out.

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February 23, 2015, 07:06:53 PM
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If I can get our current project working well, I definitely want to look into building some home-scale miners if none of the big guys do. Certainly won't be easy but if what we want to do is possible it could be pretty decent.

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February 23, 2015, 07:22:00 PM
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If I can get our current project working well, I definitely want to look into building some home-scale miners if none of the big guys do. Certainly won't be easy but if what we want to do is possible it could be pretty decent.
There doesn't seem to be a shortage of people who would be willing to work on that sort of thing, either on their own or in a collaboration.  If only chip availability weren't such an issue.

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February 23, 2015, 07:23:33 PM
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February 23, 2015, 07:30:02 PM
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If I can get our current project working well, I definitely want to look into building some home-scale miners if none of the big guys do. Certainly won't be easy but if what we want to do is possible it could be pretty decent.
There doesn't seem to be a shortage of people who would be willing to work on that sort of thing, either on their own or in a collaboration.  If only chip availability weren't such an issue.

Avalon4 chips are and have been open for 3rd parties since release. Spondoolies often opens their chips up but availability is a bit behind actual release. I'd assume if you can put in a big enough order that Bitfury might consider taking your money as well, even Bitmain.

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February 23, 2015, 07:50:23 PM
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It may be the last miner I ever own.  If diff keeps going> I won't be doing much mining at home.

This is my worry.  I love mining, always have.   The trend of going to big farms seems hard to stop.   I'm hoping we can continue to mine.   Will be interesting to see who keeps selling to consumers and who goes for the big fish.

I hope SP and Bitmain both keep making consumer gear.

I imagine there has to be a point where farm mining will become cost-prohibitive (maybe after the next reward halving?) and gradually everything will scale down, hopefully back to where the average consumer has a "reasonable" chance to hit a block.  The cost of equipment and electricity for large farms will be hard to justify as the reward decreases.  Although the scenario I'm imagining might just make pools the top dogs in the mining arena.  Part of what makes all of this fun to me is the speculation and wondering what will come next.
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February 23, 2015, 07:52:50 PM
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Avalon4 chips are and have been open for 3rd parties since release. Spondoolies often opens their chips up but availability is a bit behind actual release. I'd assume if you can put in a big enough order that Bitfury might consider taking your money as well, even Bitmain.
That's the thing though - Avalon's A3222 is readily available (A3233 slightly less so), but is the odd one out (in more ways than one).  SP's is behind an NDA.  BitFury used to be so accessible (even small group buys) that it spawned umpteendozen different miners, but now you'll have to show up with decent chunks of money.  You'd know better about Bitmain, could you quantify 'big enough order' in their case?

Granted, that's based on what's available now and there might not be that much interest in current chips as it is - with people waiting for each developer's next chip instead (certainly for AM, the BE200 being lackluster); it's those chips' availability that I'm questioning.. as in, they're not available now, and there's very little indicating that they'd be readily available in the future.

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February 23, 2015, 08:02:06 PM
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I've already talked to Spondoolies a bit about sample chip sourcing, and we're looking at Avalon at least for concept work since their stuff is ready available (and also not BGA). I'd really love to get some Bitmain chips for what we have in mind, but I didn't know they sold chips to third-party devs. I can't think of any BM-based non-BM miners. What I'd really like is BE300 but, as mentioned, they don't really exist yet. Depending on how similar a current-gen chip is to the next-gen, it might not be hard to build a proof-of-concept around current hardware and then retool it for next-gen when they start to appear.

What would Bitmain take to hand off a couple dozen sample chips?

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February 23, 2015, 08:30:15 PM
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But that's stupid. Centralized bitcoin is no bitcoin at all, and altcoins have approximately zero long-term value. If there's a market void, someone will find a way to fill it.

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February 23, 2015, 09:39:44 PM
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@ sidehack...After reading that Spondoolies is goin' larger than I could ever Handle
it took some wind out of my noobie sail. It would be AWESOME if someone could help the small guys.
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February 23, 2015, 09:48:22 PM
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Yeah I'm hoping too. I don't know what resources we'll have to put into it, but with a bit of help I think we could do something worthwhile. Novak and I have what we think are some pretty good ideas. I just hope we have the time and scrounge up the money even for a proof-of-concept. Helping the small guys is what we prefer to do.

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February 23, 2015, 10:13:30 PM
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As a small guy who's into this now for the kicks of it, I fully support your endeavors!  Good luck.
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February 23, 2015, 10:28:24 PM
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Yeah I'm hoping too. I don't know what resources we'll have to put into it, but with a bit of help I think we could do something worthwhile. Novak and I have what we think are some pretty good ideas. I just hope we have the time and scrounge up the money even for a proof-of-concept. Helping the small guys is what we prefer to do.

sad that it is coming to this.  But millions of homes have a space heater or 2.

 I would love to merge the avalon 4.1 into a space heater design. It is quiet and would work.

I am considering what to do. Not sure what will come down the pike.

looks like AM bitmaintech and avalon  will be for the small miner.  I will run my gear in the winter as space heaters only and hope for the 3 "european" companies to come to their senses and stop killing the goose to get the golden eggs faster

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February 23, 2015, 10:40:29 PM
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Isn't that how growing an economy works? You rape it until it passes out, then look for someone to blame while you try slinking away with all the cash (or bankrupt, depending on timing). Then several years later, wait for it to wake back up and start raping again. There is no maintenance, just exploitable rapid growth (probably based on one party's greed and another's stupidity) until it breaks. Rinse and repeat.

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February 23, 2015, 10:57:02 PM
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Isn't that how growing an economy works? You rape it until it passes out, then look for someone to blame while you try slinking away with all the cash (or bankrupt, depending on timing). Then several years later, wait for it to wake back up and start raping again. There is no maintenance, just exploitable rapid growth (probably based on one party's greed and another's stupidity) until it breaks. Rinse and repeat.

Thanks for getting inside my head past the noise and writing just about a perfect post.

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February 24, 2015, 01:54:33 AM
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Isn't that how growing an economy works? You rape it until it passes out, then look for someone to blame while you try slinking away with all the cash (or bankrupt, depending on timing). Then several years later, wait for it to wake back up and start raping again. There is no maintenance, just exploitable rapid growth (probably based on one party's greed and another's stupidity) until it breaks. Rinse and repeat.

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February 24, 2015, 09:31:24 AM
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This would be an implement of said rape then, yes?

Puts a consumer model in perspective, too.
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February 24, 2015, 03:52:19 PM
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You guys think we'll every get to the point of 1 TH/s the size of the old USB BlockErupter ASIC miners?



I think that's the only time I'd consider re-entering mining again. 

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February 25, 2015, 08:12:51 PM
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You guys think we'll every get to the point of 1 TH/s the size of the old USB BlockErupter ASIC miners?



I think that's the only time I'd consider re-entering mining again. 

Hey Chuck!

What you ask would likely cost enough for you to decide to re-exit the game again  Grin




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February 25, 2015, 08:18:43 PM
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You guys think we'll every get to the point of 1 TH/s the size of the old USB BlockErupter ASIC miners?



I think that's the only time I'd consider re-entering mining again. 

Hey Chuck!

What you ask would likely cost enough for you to decide to re-exit the game again  Grin





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I certainly hope technology and efficiency converge at some point, where something that small, cheap, and power saving could actually mine something of value.  1 TH/s USB ASIC sticks, put me down for a couple hundred!   Tongue

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