Marcotheminer the Ban Evader

[SignatureSpam2015]

Upon information and belief, marcotheminer was banned on or about 5 March, 2015 for a period of 10 days. Approximately two days have passed since the ban was imposed.

Some of you may not be surprised about the ban because he likes to spam with his paid signature. What may be more surprising is that his ban did not stop him from spamming his paid signature with many shitty posts.

As far as one can tell DeboraMeeks is being used to spam many sections of the wonderful forum by no one other then marcotheminer.

How you ask, do I know that marcotheminer and DeboraMeeks are the same person? The answer: magic. If you want to see a magic show then continue on reading..........

It is very well known that marcotheminer likes to reuse addresses. His "personal" address is 12hYBWiPqfwdveGzpbRdGxeqnoMcNvGNSq. He posted it among many other places, here. What is not as well known is that he is very bad at coin control. Look at TXID e8a5aebeb477dff9370d3693c1856627aa9d8210d68590a465d9846d078e82b1, you should notice that it was signed with lot of addresses, because it was signed with 10 addresses, and contains 49 inputs. One of those 10 addresses is 19iNZYPpZn8BkCxDs1wdrNUTr7ieM6wra8. This address was not on any actual posts made by DeboraMeeks, however it was quoted many times as having posted it by numerous people. Examples of the above address being quoted are here, here, and my favorite, here. Granted, it is possible that the account has been sold recently, and the password to the account changed 3 days ago, however if you look at the BTC address of the profile, you will see that 19iNZYPpZn8BkCxDs1wdrNUTr7ieM6wra8 is still there - the account was probably not sold - it is probably using tor to connect to the forum though. TOR is a network that helps people maintain anonymity.

This is not the first time he evaded his ban either. For those of you that want to see that magic trick, you will have to wait until next time.

This is the conclusion of Part 5 of Pistol Pete's series.
Part 1: Spammathon: Brought to you by Candystripes (or was it Marco all along)
Part 2: Whatever Happened to Pierre11?
Part 3: Marco the account thief
Part 4: Marco the signature spammer
Part 5: Banned:Marco the signature campaign spammer: A look at past and present campaign "mistakes"


Stay tuned for the next part of this series:
Part 6: marcotheminer's alts: spammed beyond belief

[cakir]

I'm curious, is that mean marcotheminer's all accounts will be permanently banned?

If he'll be permanently banned and as we know he controls yussuf89 hero account which was stollen and prooved ownership by Zeki.
Can this account be given back to Zeki who's the real owner?...

[CrackedLogic]

I'm curious, is that mean marcotheminer's all accounts will be permanently banned?

If he'll be permanently banned and as we know he controls yussuf89 hero account which was stollen and prooved ownership by Zeki.
Can this account be given back to Zeki who's the real owner?...

He will be banned permanently on all accounts, including marcotheminer. Zeki may have to pay a fee to get unbanned if the account gets banned.

[Quickseller]

I'm curious, is that mean marcotheminer's all accounts will be permanently banned?

If he'll be permanently banned and as we know he controls yussuf89 hero account which was stollen and prooved ownership by Zeki.
Can this account be given back to Zeki who's the real owner?...

Generally speaking if you have a relatively short ban then ban evading will likely only get your ban extended, probably to something along the lines of 30 or 60 days, however repetitive ban evasions will likely eventually lead to a perm ban. According to the above he banned and evaded his ban previously so it could be a perm ban.

I think the chances of zeki getting his account back unscathed would go up substantially if marco is perm banned. It would at least give zeki much more leverage in negotiating with marco regarding getting it back

[crazyearner]

Maybe an idea would be to have when a new member joins here actually have an auto bot post rules and guidelines on posting would clear a lot of the problems up. He was simply pming other campaign managers about the services he has for others to make their services a lot more simpler for them to manage. Indeed it is in a way spamming because its sending pms without being asked to a way of promoting services by pm.

What should  happen is that when a member joins here gets a list of posting rules pm rules and so forth. I have it set on my site that when someone joins they instantly get sent a welcome message outlining rules and before even making first post they get sent to rules of each section and then make agreement that have read and understand them. After if is reported for it gets suspended and contacted and asked why this has happened yet you where fully aware after agreeing on rules. And people who say oh I just clicked on agreed then I permanently ban as they didn't bother to read. I d rather have quality members than having people who just want to get on with posting and not following any rules. Depending on situation I will lift bans or warn depending on many factors most I just ban due to the type of messages that where getting sent.

[shorena]

Maybe an idea would be to have when a new member joins here actually have an auto bot post rules and guidelines on posting would clear a lot of the problems up. He was simply pming other campaign managers about the services he has for others to make their services a lot more simpler for them to manage. Indeed it is in a way spamming because its sending pms without being asked to a way of promoting services by pm.

Im pretty sure marco knew that it was risky. Wasnt he banned for exactly that in the past?

What should  happen is that when a member joins here gets a list of posting rules pm rules and so forth. I have it set on my site that when someone joins they instantly get sent a welcome message outlining rules and before even making first post they get sent to rules of each section and then make agreement that have read and understand them.

When did you fully read the ToS of some homepage the last time? It makes no difference whether you slap the rules in someones face or not. The rules here are not set in stone anyway and it takes a while to understand how mods interpret them. I think its similar to joining a new circle of people that already know eachother. You either ignore their customs and do not get accepted or you take the time to understand how the group works and start to fit in. I know the analogy is a bit lacking because of the number of people involved, but the behaviour of the newcommer is whats important and frankly marco has been here longer than me, there are no more excuses.

After if is reported for it gets suspended and contacted and asked why this has happened yet you where fully aware after agreeing on rules. And people who say oh I just clicked on agreed then I permanently ban as they didn't bother to read. I d rather have quality members than having people who just want to get on with posting and not following any rules. Depending on situation I will lift bans or warn depending on many factors most I just ban due to the type of messages that where getting sent.

[cakir]

-snip-
 He was simply pming other campaign managers about the services he has for others to make their services a lot more simpler for them to manage. Indeed it is in a way spamming because its sending pms without being asked to a way of promoting services by pm.
-snip-

I don't think his ban depends on only that reason.
As far as I see; (I've also wrote here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=970157.msg10679442#msg10679442 )
Marcotheminer spammed other signature campaigns to get more participants.
He had an obsession about being the 100th page's first poster and keep posted same gif repeatedly.

Lot's of his messages were deleted in a few hours, What do you think you get lots of reports from same person in such a short time?

[michaeladair]

Can I please get a TL;DR, I thought Marcotheminer was a good community member?

[Lethn]

Can I please get a TL;DR, I thought Marcotheminer was a good community member?

Same, hope this is for a legit reason, he had positive trust and everything.

[crazyearner]

-snip-
 He was simply pming other campaign managers about the services he has for others to make their services a lot more simpler for them to manage. Indeed it is in a way spamming because its sending pms without being asked to a way of promoting services by pm.
-snip-

I don't think his ban depends on only that reason.
As far as I see; (I've also wrote here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=970157.msg10679442#msg10679442 )
Marcotheminer spammed other signature campaigns to get more participants.
He had an obsession about being the 100th page's first poster and keep posted same gif repeatedly.

Lot's of his messages were deleted in a few hours, What do you think you get lots of reports from same person in such a short time?

Well he did remove some of them so he could indeed be on the 100th page and the first post of it. If it was me I would of liked to do the same thing as 100 pages on a section is a milestone for some and like to have the option to make the first post on the 100th page.

Can I please get a TL;DR, I thought Marcotheminer was a good community member?

He is  a good leader but some of the things that had been done or so mods and admins did not like.

I like others think he is a good leader. Some of the things that where done am sure he did not mean any harm other than to aler other managers of his services he has running so that other camping managers can use the bot that has been created for the campaign and he has actually done right in now creating and making a separate announcement thread than to keep on posting in other campaigns or pming. I just hope that Marc can see the light and continue the signature campaign for them as he has sure put a lot of work hours into getting it to where it is from having monthly pay to getting a bot to read up all the posts and counted sections and now making into weekly pay too with increased payments.

[ajareselde]

This seams quite personal, and why are u hiding behind obviously an alt account?
If forum staff believes these charges to be true and valid , they will react acorrdingly, im sure, and im not defending him against what you say, but
all i will say is that hes not that bad member.
He was first off banned because he wated to share his bot with other sig. campaign managers, was he not ?

cheers

[cakir]

-snip-
 He was simply pming other campaign managers about the services he has for others to make their services a lot more simpler for them to manage. Indeed it is in a way spamming because its sending pms without being asked to a way of promoting services by pm.
-snip-

I don't think his ban depends on only that reason.
As far as I see; (I've also wrote here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=970157.msg10679442#msg10679442 )
Marcotheminer spammed other signature campaigns to get more participants.
He had an obsession about being the 100th page's first poster and keep posted same gif repeatedly.

Lot's of his messages were deleted in a few hours, What do you think you get lots of reports from same person in such a short time?

Well he did remove some of them so he could indeed be on the 100th page and the first post of it. If it was me I would of liked to do the same thing as 100 pages on a section is a milestone for some and like to have the option to make the first post on the 100th page.

Can I please get a TL;DR, I thought Marcotheminer was a good community member?

He is  a good leader but some of the things that had been done or so mods and admins did not like.

I like others think he is a good leader. Some of the things that where done am sure he did not mean any harm other than to aler other managers of his services he has running so that other camping managers can use the bot that has been created for the campaign and he has actually done right in now creating and making a separate announcement thread than to keep on posting in other campaigns or pming. I just hope that Marc can see the light and continue the signature campaign for them as he has sure put a lot of work hours into getting it to where it is from having monthly pay to getting a bot to read up all the posts and counted sections and now making into weekly pay too with increased payments.

Nope, he didn't delete them, mods did because of "spamming the forum".
And mods deleted lots of post like these; (those are still there)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877765.msg10647246#msg10647246
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877765.msg10647249#msg10647249
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877765.msg10647298#msg10647298
I remember it, there were at least 10 posts like these.

That night he also did "unethical" things, he spammed other signature campaigns to get more participants.
Also you can clearly see bit-x's title says: "[++ RATES THAN DaDice]" which is quite childish (IMO).

By the way, he didn't create the bot. He hired a guy to do it (probably he has all rights).

Also he was terrible at campaign management. He had a deal with Turkish user Troleybüs, but he broke his promise and kicked out him from campaign and forced him to pay back (which wasn't part of a deal).

This seams quite personal, and why are u hiding behind obviously an alt account?
If forum staff believes these charges to be true and valid , they will react acorrdingly, im sure, and im not defending him against what you say, but
all i will say is that hes not that bad member.
He was first off banned because he wated to share his bot with other sig. campaign managers, was he not ?

cheers

I don't care if it's personal or not, I do care about the evidence. This guy (OP) has served concrete evidence which is valid.

[crazyearner]

-snip-
 He was simply pming other campaign managers about the services he has for others to make their services a lot more simpler for them to manage. Indeed it is in a way spamming because its sending pms without being asked to a way of promoting services by pm.
-snip-

I don't think his ban depends on only that reason.
As far as I see; (I've also wrote here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=970157.msg10679442#msg10679442 )
Marcotheminer spammed other signature campaigns to get more participants.
He had an obsession about being the 100th page's first poster and keep posted same gif repeatedly.

Lot's of his messages were deleted in a few hours, What do you think you get lots of reports from same person in such a short time?

Well he did remove some of them so he could indeed be on the 100th page and the first post of it. If it was me I would of liked to do the same thing as 100 pages on a section is a milestone for some and like to have the option to make the first post on the 100th page.

Can I please get a TL;DR, I thought Marcotheminer was a good community member?

He is  a good leader but some of the things that had been done or so mods and admins did not like.

I like others think he is a good leader. Some of the things that where done am sure he did not mean any harm other than to aler other managers of his services he has running so that other camping managers can use the bot that has been created for the campaign and he has actually done right in now creating and making a separate announcement thread than to keep on posting in other campaigns or pming. I just hope that Marc can see the light and continue the signature campaign for them as he has sure put a lot of work hours into getting it to where it is from having monthly pay to getting a bot to read up all the posts and counted sections and now making into weekly pay too with increased payments.

Nope, he didn't delete them, mods did because of "spamming the forum".
And mods deleted lots of post like these; (those are still there)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877765.msg10647246#msg10647246
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877765.msg10647249#msg10647249
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877765.msg10647298#msg10647298
I remember it, there were at least 10 posts like these.

That night he also did "unethical" things, he spammed other signature campaigns to get more participants.
Also you can clearly see bit-x's title says: "[++ RATES THAN DaDice]" which is quite childish (IMO).

By the way, he didn't create the bot. He hired a guy to do it (probably he has all rights).

Also he was terrible at campaign management. He had a deal with Turkish user Troleybüs, but he broke his promise and kicked out him from campaign and forced him to pay back (which wasn't part of a deal).

This seams quite personal, and why are u hiding behind obviously an alt account?
If forum staff believes these charges to be true and valid , they will react acorrdingly, im sure, and im not defending him against what you say, but
all i will say is that hes not that bad member.
He was first off banned because he wated to share his bot with other sig. campaign managers, was he not ?

cheers

I don't care if it's personal or not, I do care about the evidence. This guy (OP) has served concrete evidence which is valid.

Well when I seen the posts that where made by Troleybüs because he contacted me in PM saying he didn't get paid on posts and I gave reasons to as why didn't get paid as the posts that he or she made where very short posts. If their was some agreement in place for his posts to be paid on then maybe this should of been horned and even if agreements where made then proof of this should be spoke about in pm or if not delt with to then go public with proof of the post that Troleybüs was claiming should be paid on. From me as a member looking at his post they where very very short and would not qualify as quality in length post.


If a post is made and only maybe 10 words or so or even less then it would not be paid in most signature campaigns and most managers of them would agree with what am saying.  am not disagreeing on the posts that where indeed made by Troleybüs but theirs rules that each one has and me being in a lot of the signature campaigns over the last year or so he or she would of not been paid due to how short responses are in the post that Troleybüs had made. Again tho if Troleybüs marc had some arrangement and agreement in place to be paid then this should of at least been horned.

[erwin45hacked]

if that account is surely control by Marco, then marco is dishonest and doesnt honor the rules made by himself

Rules:
- This signature is the only thing permitted in the designated space and must be worn all times.
- All users who receive valid negative trust and/or are banned for spam or likewise during the course of the campaign will be denied payment.
- In case of an activity change, you will be paid at your new membership level after your payout.
- Post consistently.
- One bitcointalk account per user.

Bit-x surely choose the wrong person to manage this campaign

[Quickseller]

Well when I seen the posts that where made by Troleybüs because he contacted me in PM saying he didn't get paid on posts and I gave reasons to as why didn't get paid as the posts that he or she made where very short posts. If their was some agreement in place for his posts to be paid on then maybe this should of been horned and even if agreements where made then proof of this should be spoke about in pm or if not delt with to then go public with proof of the post that Troleybüs was claiming should be paid on. From me as a member looking at his post they where very very short and would not qualify as quality in length post.

Why did he contact you? And why/how would you give him an answer? Are you a representative of Marcotheminer and/or bit-x?

If a post is made and only maybe 10 words or so or even less then it would not be paid in most signature campaigns and most managers of them would agree with what am saying.  am not disagreeing on the posts that where indeed made by Troleybüs but theirs rules that each one has and me being in a lot of the signature campaigns over the last year or so he or she would of not been paid due to how short responses are in the post that Troleybüs had made. Again tho if Troleybüs marc had some arrangement and agreement in place to be paid then this should of at least been horned.

There is no rule regarding the min length that posts need to be in order to qualify for it to be counted. The only spam related rules that are in place are that regarding posts in specific sections, there are no rules regarding the min length that posts need to be.
Regardless, none of this matters, as the allegation of Marcotheminer evading his ban, if true is a violation of forum rules and is something that he shouldn't have done. He apparently had been banned previously for similar reasons in the past.

[crazyearner]

Well when I seen the posts that where made by Troleybüs because he contacted me in PM saying he didn't get paid on posts and I gave reasons to as why didn't get paid as the posts that he or she made where very short posts. If their was some agreement in place for his posts to be paid on then maybe this should of been horned and even if agreements where made then proof of this should be spoke about in pm or if not delt with to then go public with proof of the post that Troleybüs was claiming should be paid on. From me as a member looking at his post they where very very short and would not qualify as quality in length post.

Why did he contact you? And why/how would you give him an answer? Are you a representative of Marcotheminer and/or bit-x?

If a post is made and only maybe 10 words or so or even less then it would not be paid in most signature campaigns and most managers of them would agree with what am saying.  am not disagreeing on the posts that where indeed made by Troleybüs but theirs rules that each one has and me being in a lot of the signature campaigns over the last year or so he or she would of not been paid due to how short responses are in the post that Troleybüs had made. Again tho if Troleybüs marc had some arrangement and agreement in place to be paid then this should of at least been horned.

There is no rule regarding the min length that posts need to be in order to qualify for it to be counted. The only spam related rules that are in place are that regarding posts in specific sections, there are no rules regarding the min length that posts need to be.
Regardless, none of this matters, as the allegation of Marcotheminer evading his ban, if true is a violation of forum rules and is something that he shouldn't have done. He apparently had been banned previously for similar reasons in the past.

I am not a representative of Marcotheminer nor of bit-x. I am just a member of their signature campaign.  I just know from experience in being in them on here and other forums alike. I had seen some of the posts that Troleybüs  said about not been paid and commented on one of his responses and then he sent me a pm about it and I explained like above in more details of why wouldn't get paid out on them. I have done work like this before and also done work on other forums for paid to post forums based on level of membership that, was decided to just been paid for any old post but their was limits in place like on the signature campaigns that admins of them have in place. So I am just speaking out of experience on what will more likely to be accepted as a paid post and not. Most rules on paid to post forums or signature ones want posts above 10 to 15 words. Places where I had worked on posts where set as a min of 20 words for it being counted as a paid post to reduce quantity of posts being made and having quality posts that would be worth while and not short or spamish posts. Campaigns on here only say no spam posts or off topic.

Posts like " Hello to you too, how are you doing?"  or stuff like" Yeah ok I agree top coin count me in" Both responses are short and can easily be represented as post building, to increase your post count and then expect to be paid for it. I had to deal with over 5k to 10k members on a weekly basics going though thousands of posts and checking them. Indeed they might be on topic to what that member has posted. When it comes down to quality of posting it needs to be something that is going to be quality, useful, helpful, or a good topic that will have future posts on it from other members that will indeed gain the interest of the public viewing and also current members.

Maybe an idea for signature campaign managers should look into is actually having a min word limit on posts saying min words per response 10 to 15 etc or if under this posts will be future inspected to check to see if qualify as a quality post or not. That way it would sort a lot of problems out for many campaign managers that are running current ones. I have only seen a few people being removed from signature campaigns and most them where for posts being too short, spam, off topic, arguments, scammer, getting banned, removing signature part way though and then making some excuses up that wasn't them.

Still I do not know the full story of what happened with Troleybüs  so I can not say who is wrong who is right if Troleybüs  had indeed had some agreement or something in place than that should at least be respected .


Edited.

Well found some thread created seems that trole had some sort of transaction that was not forfilled and marc didnt payout for outstanding pay on item.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=970157

if that account is surely control by Marco, then marco is dishonest and doesnt honor the rules made by himself

Rules:
- This signature is the only thing permitted in the designated space and must be worn all times.
- All users who receive valid negative trust and/or are banned for spam or likewise during the course of the campaign will be denied payment.
- In case of an activity change, you will be paid at your new membership level after your payout.
- Post consistently.
- One bitcointalk account per user.

Bit-x surely choose the wrong person to manage this campaign

Well if that was true then people should be reporting back to them to put someone else in charge. However I been with it from almost the start and found to have never had any problems but seen a fair few problems that did get resolved but with any campaign theirs always going to be some sort of problems and decisions made that are not going to be liked.

[erwin45hacked]

if that account is surely control by Marco, then marco is dishonest and doesnt honor the rules made by himself

Rules:
- This signature is the only thing permitted in the designated space and must be worn all times.
- All users who receive valid negative trust and/or are banned for spam or likewise during the course of the campaign will be denied payment.
- In case of an activity change, you will be paid at your new membership level after your payout.
- Post consistently.
- One bitcointalk account per user.

Bit-x surely choose the wrong person to manage this campaign

Well if that was true then people should be reporting back to them to put someone else in charge. However I been with it from almost the start and found to have never had any problems but seen a fair few problems that did get resolved but with any campaign theirs always going to be some sort of problems and decisions made that are not going to be liked.

not saying if there is a problem about the campaign, but I think it is unwise to make a rule by yourself and you break the rule.

[tspacepilot]

Do mods post judgments in threads like this or are they just here for us to kick around our ideas in?  That is, I appreciate the discussion, but I'm curious what the authority figures around us are saying about this.

[hilariousandco]

I think he sold that account (though obviously I don't have access to other evidence). I don't think he'd be stupid enough to post from a previously known alt and on his own campaign or evade his ban risking getting himself perma banned along with all his other accounts.

[botany]

I think he sold that account (though obviously I don't have access to other evidence). I don't think he'd be stupid enough to post from a previously known alt and on his own campaign or evade his ban risking getting himself perma banned along with all his other accounts.

When a ban occurs, do the admins to do an ip check to find out alts?