The Primedice Is Rigged Thread

[BumbleBeeTC]

Ok, I'm hoping I don't get hate or neg trust this, but all scams start with something similar to this. I've been a member of PD for 1.5 years and as all old players know, Stunna is a sketchy and shady administrator. It's not just a feeling that because I lose it's a scam. Hell, I've played on PD for 1.5 years nearly every day. This is a trend I have been seeing. I play on other sites such as JD, PRC, SafeDice, BitDice, etc. and PD is something...special. I mean a small little page of some numbers (verification page) doesn't prove much. Dicebitco.in proved that statement to be true. I am taking a community initiative to do this, since I strongly believe there is something Stunna is hiding from us.

I decided to finally do this because since the launch of PD3, the site seems even more rigged. Not heavily, but rather sneakily. Proof isn't easy to get, so I'd rather just take the community involved and see what they have to say. Here is just one of my many screenshots to come of me losing. Remember I'm not butthurt, but rather am trying to do the community a favor:

http://i.gyazo.com/c934f6d25d9ad8f1920a4be0f4cf2283.png

http://prntscr.com/6i699l

http://prntscr.com/6jzutm

http://gyazo.com/948d0bfefe3921ff6812a21c4c202c7f

http://prntscr.com/6hylyy

https://i.imgur.com/zSR7bdy.png

http://prntscr.com/6i3cb6

http://prntscr.com/6i69lq

^^ The above was collected within 24 hours

If you think Stunna has something sneaky going on in the back, please post your opinions! Oh, and please do not post if you aren't a long-time member of Primedice, or play there only occasionally. I'm looking for players who have spent 100+ hours on the site and know it full well.

I think it's about time the community's feedback proves something.

EDIT 2: I am not saying that that loss streak is proof. I am saying it's an example to the scams that are going on.

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[ranochigo]

Nothing wrong with the bets, just someone getting butthurt and can't take the loss.

[adaseb]

Honestly who knows if its rigged or not. The problem is its impossible to get enough evidence to prove if its rigged or not because the chances are you can usually go on a huge losing streak as below.

Who knows? Maybe the sites use some algorithm that detects martingale players to clean them out. Either way its very difficult to prove.

Don't martingale, and if you do. Just do it across multiple dice sites and then you will know for sure if its a legit losing streak or you were being cheated.

[amiryaqot]

all these bets you had made on 2.5X so that is normal thing in any gambling, sometime you win and sometime you lose,
PD has provably fair system so you can verify with system each bet status, so if you had bad day and losing streak it does not mean that site is scam and not fair. at other dice site once i had 19 losing streak with 2X but these are cheating.

[ranochigo]

Honestly who knows if its rigged or not. The problem is its impossible to get enough evidence to prove if its rigged or not because the chances are you can usually go on a huge losing streak as below.

Who knows? Maybe the sites use some algorithm that detects martingale players to clean them out. Either way its very difficult to prove.

Don't martingale, and if you do. Just do it across multiple dice sites and then you will know for sure if its a legit losing streak or you were being cheated.

You can verify every single bet to ensure that Primedice is not skipping nonce and the server seed checks out. The house pretty much have no chance to cheat if you do it this way. The problem here is you don't realised the house edge makes a difference, I have seen more than 20 lose streak at various dice sites and none of them is cheating. You are going to lose your bankroll eventually with martingale due to varience.

[trafficolaa]

Honestly who knows if its rigged or not. The problem is its impossible to get enough evidence to prove if its rigged or not because the chances are you can usually go on a huge losing streak as below.

Who knows? Maybe the sites use some algorithm that detects martingale players to clean them out. Either way its very difficult to prove.

Don't martingale, and if you do. Just do it across multiple dice sites and then you will know for sure if its a legit losing streak or you were being cheated.

You can verify every single bet to ensure that Primedice is not skipping nonce and the server seed checks out. The house pretty much have no chance to cheat if you do it this way. The problem here is you don't realised the house edge makes a difference, I have seen more than 20 lose streak at various dice sites and none of them is cheating. You are going to lose your bankroll eventually with martingale due to varience.

agreed with you i had 16 winning streak on Primedice, gambling is all about good and bad luck,
Primedice has provably fair system and every single bet can be verified with that verification.
so that behavior is strange after losing streak.

[LiQuidx]

Tossing out accusations like that without having a shred of evidence is a really but thing to do...
If you had something to show for ok but this? Just a bad streak.

[Coef]

Do you notice any change in your server seed or client seed?
Do you notice any skipping of nonce?
Do you notice any mismatch of the hashes and the rolled numbers?

If the answers are all "no", then you were just having a bad luck.

[hdd3go]

If PD is rigged, there won't be so much 100 Bitcoins club members on PD, It's always a question of PD's fairness, but PD is still the most popular and accepted dice site in the community.

[ranochigo]

Honestly who knows if its rigged or not. The problem is its impossible to get enough evidence to prove if its rigged or not because the chances are you can usually go on a huge losing streak as below.

Who knows? Maybe the sites use some algorithm that detects martingale players to clean them out. Either way its very difficult to prove.

Don't martingale, and if you do. Just do it across multiple dice sites and then you will know for sure if its a legit losing streak or you were being cheated.

You can verify every single bet to ensure that Primedice is not skipping nonce and the server seed checks out. The house pretty much have no chance to cheat if you do it this way. The problem here is you don't realised the house edge makes a difference, I have seen more than 20 lose streak at various dice sites and none of them is cheating. You are going to lose your bankroll eventually with martingale due to varience.

You could also verify 999dice rolls as well but that site is still rigged ...

Wrong, most people wouldn't bother to verify the bet since the page for verification method is very confusing and no tool exist to easily do it. A simple google would give you this. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=948965.0. Primedice, however, is pretty open about their fairness and there are lots of script to verify the bets.

[oldmate]

I mean a small little page of some numbers (verification page) doesn't prove much.

To be honest, this isn't true. Provably fair mechanisms and their verifiers prove everything if you understand how to use them. With a legitimate provably fair system implemented, it is impossible for the casino to cheat.

What you are likely seeing is just variance. With a tiny 1% house edge, massive swings are far from uncommon. Make enough bets, and you will eventually have a massive losing streak. Remember that there are absolutely no patters whatsoever in randomness -- every single bet is independent of the last, and this is why many betting systems are flawed.

If the casino has a legitimate provably fair mechanism, it is unfair to say it is rigged. I haven't actually had a look at the system used myself, but I assume someone else would have by now. If that maths is right, then it's probably not a scam (in telling outcome of bets, at least -- the site could still run with your deposits).

[Somekindabitcoin]

If Primedice were rigged, the exploit Hufflepuff used wouldn't have worked. The seeds are exactly the same as they should be. I recommend you to check and confirm the seeds. It was most likely your own fault for losses inflicted.

[oldmate]

If Primedice were rigged, the exploit Hufflepuff used wouldn't have worked. The seeds are exactly the same as they should be. I recommend you to check and confirm the seeds. It was most likely your own fault for losses inflicted.

you don't need to manipulate seeds to make it rigged.
just like i said earlier 999 seeds matched up fine and their site was rigged.
DiceBitcoin skipped nonces that has nothing to do with knowing seeds

999Dice is a unique case because of the odd way that the provably fair system worked. You had to make a manual request before your bet in order to see the seed; if you didn't, then you'll just have to believe the casino. No other sites that I'm aware of do this.

[TriggerX]

I can agree or disagree with you because I have no evidence to back it up. However, I remember having a big loss streak on 66% a few minutes after I deposited which ended resulting in a -0.56 profit. My account is still saying at -0.56 loss which is sad. I started using other dice sites like dadice because of their faucet levels. My primedice faucet is at 2.7k right now after 2 months and my dadice faucet is at 4k after a few days! I recommend you trying out new dice sites and then compare it to primedice to see which one you like better. Cheers!

[icey]

Do you notice any change in your server seed or client seed?
Do you notice any skipping of nonce?
Do you notice any mismatch of the hashes and the rolled numbers?

If the answers are all "no", then you were just having a bad luck.

Pretty much this to be honest. Before the invention of bitcoin, i dont recall anywhere online where i could gamble and verify i haven't been cheated. Bitcoin gambling is by no means perfect, but a massive improvement on what we've been used to as gamblers.

[XinXan]

Do you notice any change in your server seed or client seed?
Do you notice any skipping of nonce?
Do you notice any mismatch of the hashes and the rolled numbers?

If the answers are all "no", then you were just having a bad luck.

Pretty much this to be honest. Before the invention of bitcoin, i dont recall anywhere online where i could gamble and verify i haven't been cheated. Bitcoin gambling is by no means perfect, but a massive improvement on what we've been used to as gamblers.

Thats true. Here is the thing, real life casinos have been existing for a long time where you can play roulette and watch it spin, you knew it wasnt rigged even some players abused the roulettes because they werent perfect but in the end the casinos would still win, thats the thing the casinos always win, its a fact they dont need to be rigged to win because all the casinos are rigged in a way, the house edge. Honestly if you wanted to prove they are rigged that pic you posted is definitely not enough, if you posted a pic of like a 50 lose streak on 50% it would have been a strong proof.

[Chemistry1988]

First, the loss streak doesn't show the site is rigged.
Plus, it is not rare to lose 11 2.5x bets in a row. I have personally had a 14 2x bets streak and a few more 11 or 12 2x streak.

BTW, on JD, the longest winning streak at 49.5% is 30 and the longest losing streak is 32.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=610339.msg7060900#msg7060900

EDIT: fixed a stupid typo.

[XinXan]

Another thing that happens if one casino is rigged is that you may be able to exploit it. Like for example if they are predicting your patterns, change them outpredict their predictions?

[Chijio]

i dont think PrimeDice got some magic hidden in the back.. there are so many 100BTC club members (100BTC+ in profit) and ofcourse the famous HufflePuff winning 2000BTC+, so i think PD is fair on their players..

[ComboChris]

This whole topic seems pointless to me. I wonder how many replies it would have gotten if signature campaigns didn't exist...