Sweden the welfare state - I get $1k for doing nothing now

[sickhouse]

It's almost hard to believe.

We have very very few homeless in Sweden compared to the US (we have maybe 1 where you have 1k), those who are have a heavy addiction of sorts and it's gone way way past normal..

Minimum wage is they pay your rent and $500 to live on basically, ANYONE can get this (unless you have a job). If you have kids you get more - I can live on it and so can anyone else. But some people waste money on trivial stuff that's 10-20% of this months income and then have the stomach to complain about "poor me not getting enough money", or spend-it-all-here at the same time on heroin or w/e - that's the group that is homeless.

All you have to do for this money is show your bank statement of the month (to prove that there is no transactions going into the account, insanely easy to pass by), and turn in your bills so they can make copies and after that you get payed those costs. Does not include your internet connection, and you have to live poor but it is more than possible to survive it if you don't drug yourself for the money (basically). You can even get money if you live with your parents ($350 roughly).

You aren't normal - you get more!

I have high functioning autism (or whatever the fuck it's called in the US - it basically means I have high/difference intelligence and I don't really suffer from it except when I am trying to sleep), and wow I get benifits from that appareantly... Been depressed (many autistic people are) for a long time and not in a state to work so I now get $1.1k a month for doing almost nothing (going to rehab (drugs) when a date for the home comes along but untill then I have nothing I need to do (long term sick), one more call about my current living state and then some waiting time for this. So now I get even more money by doing nothing (it's a good thing at heart though - depression is not easy to handle and getting a job here is hard) but I mean wtf, I know how to live without much money (from minumum wage and my childhood), single and $1k is well more than fine

The downside is that now I can not work for a year which is pretty fucked up because how to get out of a depression? You break your habbits, routine work - whatever it's their rules and I get free money.
 
After that year I can try working if I want to basically (which I do - been without a job for over 6 years and it's not fun) and thanks to my Autism the government can pay 70% (I think it's 70, could be 10 off) of my salary.. It's not a thing the state like to flag with but afaik I know it's real, you just gotta get up in their face over it.

Got a diagnosis in Sweden? Follow me (you can PM me for more info), why not use our rights we have but are kept very silent.

REHABS FOR FREE! Honestly it's like vacation from the drugging for many.

Adding another big welfare-hole; the free drug/gambling disorder/whatever rehab system we have with a 90+% failure rate (people relapse and fast, it depends on how long you are there but I heard 40 days = 98% relapse, 12 step model with drugs).

I counted how much my last visit cost the government and it ended up at nearly $50k for 4 months, I was there with 10 people constantly, then 50-60 came and went some stayed and tried but when detox was done and no more pills served some got out - those people get chance after chance but do the same thing.
Others tried for a month or two, but sadly I only know 2 for sure who are clean and sober (alcohol top 5 drug when it comes to damages on body and brain) up untill this day (one of them I used to do drugs with so happy for him!). The cost is ~300 dollar per night but differs from home to home and individual to individual (jail candidates can get rehab if their crimes have been drug related all along the way, they cost more).

This is one rehab out of I don't know how many but we've got many rehabs in Sweden (but it's a lot, owning one brings you cash if you do it right), but do the math on those numbers and you get another fat cost for the state.

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[BCwinning]

will you sponsor a move for me there? 

[Cthulhu]

Are you complaining about something or would you rather be homeless and suck dick for money?

[sickhouse]

Are you complaining about something or would you rather be homeless and suck dick for money?

I think the system is fucked. Your world view seems very black or white, I don't deserve that much free money because of a diagnose that on paper says I have social faulties but am more intelligent than the avarage.

will you sponsor a move for me there? 

Not that rich but it shouldn't be too hard to become a citizen; http://www.government.se/sb/d/2188/a/19449 - read about it and go for it

[Cthulhu]

Are you complaining about something or would you rather be homeless and suck dick for money?

I think the system is fucked. Your world view seems very black or white, I don't deserve that much free money because of a diagnose that on paper says I have social faulties but am more intelligent than the avarage.

So, your community wants to help you and complain it's too much help?

I'm pretty sure you can return the money and terminate your benefits, if that would make you happier, go for it.

[sickhouse]

Are you complaining about something or would you rather be homeless and suck dick for money?

I think the system is fucked. Your world view seems very black or white, I don't deserve that much free money because of a diagnose that on paper says I have social faulties but am more intelligent than the avarage.

So, your community wants to help you and complain it's too much help?

I'm pretty sure you can return the money and terminate your benefits, if that would make you happier, go for it.

How would that make me happier? Living on the street? But the facts that I can't work for a year from a certain point (can't as in not allowed) is that not pretty weird? Maybe I pull myself up on my feet in 6 months but then I can't work because of this program, and of course it costs the gorernment a lot and our debt grows (all this welfare together with having the biggest (or top 3 at least) immigrants per capita in Europe makes things cost a pretty penny.

[Chef Ramsay]

European countries can have these luxurious welfare states and socialistic mentalities because they spend very little on military spending. I don't endorse the former but wish the US would do much less of the latter.

[Cthulhu]

How would that make me happier? Living on the street? But the facts that I can't work for a year from a certain point (can't as in not allowed) is that not pretty weird? Maybe I pull myself up on my feet in 6 months but then I can't work because of this program, and of course it costs the gorernment a lot and our debt grows (all this welfare together with having the biggest (or top 3 at least) immigrants per capita in Europe makes things cost a pretty penny.

Dude, you live in best fucking country in the world, people worries with you, they pay you so you don't have to work and you can have the time to get well and you're fucking complaining the system is fucked up?

[sickhouse]

European countries can have these luxurious welfare states and socialistic mentalities because they spend very little on military spending. I don't endorse the former but wish the US would do much less of the latter.

Well defense wise we don't have much. But we have officers in Afghanistan still ordering air strikes, we have drone programs, we may not be part of NATO on paper but we are when it comes down to it. It's costing us money as well with military spending.

[sickhouse]

How would that make me happier? Living on the street? But the facts that I can't work for a year from a certain point (can't as in not allowed) is that not pretty weird? Maybe I pull myself up on my feet in 6 months but then I can't work because of this program, and of course it costs the gorernment a lot and our debt grows (all this welfare together with having the biggest (or top 3 at least) immigrants per capita in Europe makes things cost a pretty penny.

Dude, you live in best fucking country in the world, people worries with you, they pay you so you don't have to work and you can have the time to get well and you're fucking complaining the system is fucked up?

Can't you see how this one day is going to collapse? The system only works for that long when unemployment rates are going up, immigration stream keeps on comming. Our national debt is over $200 000 000 000, and it keeps rising - just like the rest of the countries in the west.

[Rishblitz]

I don't see why people think these is a good thing all it does is create a entitled people who cant help themselves in the real world.

[sickhouse]

I don't see why people think these is a good thing all it does is create a entitled people who cant help themselves in the real world.

I think people should get help but you gotta give up at a certain point.. I think your way to look at things are a bit harsh but in reality a system like this doesn't work when unemployement rise to soon to be what Spain was a few years ago. Getting a job young was hard enough when I quit upper secondary school, I am good at writing but was a bit too shy I guess.
Searched 300+ jobs but didn't do the footwork (visit companies and brag), the department for people to get a job in Sweden is a joke (arbetsförmedlingen). The main problem is they only teach what to do on paper, they want you to sit at their computers and look for a job but as a company owner who do you take? The guy who knocks on the door and says fuck man I'll work my ass off for you or the 500 mails they recive? Help is given but in the wrong way, I think I deserve a decent life but I am trying at least.. I know many people who aren't trying/given up and when you give up you are nothing but a parasite.

I know a few people that I am 100% sure 2/3 are going to die before they hit 50, I've lost 4 friends already, maybe 1 of them could have been saved? If you hadn't guessed already I am talking about addicts, that subject is tough. In the end it's up to yourself to quit and I am going to hit rehab for the 2nd time (all expenses paid!), take what I learned from the first rehab and try to get routines (always been lacking this since I found gaming)..

[pattu1]

European countries can have these luxurious welfare states and socialistic mentalities because they spend very little on military spending. I don't endorse the former but wish the US would do much less of the latter.

The US can afford to spend on its military. It saddens me when I see developing countries get into arms races spurred on by defence companies from the US/Europe. These countries are made to prioritize security over providing basic necessities to their citizens.

[sickhouse]

European countries can have these luxurious welfare states and socialistic mentalities because they spend very little on military spending. I don't endorse the former but wish the US would do much less of the latter.

The US can afford to spend on its military. It saddens me when I see developing countries get into arms races spurred on by defence companies from the US/Europe. These countries are made to prioritize security over providing basic necessities to their citizens.

Oh can it now? http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/, propably not your official site, neither is http://www.usdebtclock.org/ but the point is you have a tremendous debt (it's actually bigger than the amount of money that we have here on earth). Who do you own the debt to? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System the private owned Fed Reserve. If you look within your country you will come to realise that war is the only way you can survive by now (and 10+ years ago).

I don't understand arms race? Are you talking about the private sectors (i.e blackwater)?

[pattu1]

I don't understand arms race? Are you talking about the private sectors (i.e blackwater)?

No, I was talking about countries like India and Pakistan spending large amounts of money on their defence budgets.
India's spending on defence is 2.5% of GDP, which is higher than China, UK and France.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

[BCwinning]

European countries can have these luxurious welfare states and socialistic mentalities because they spend very little on military spending. I don't endorse the former but wish the US would do much less of the latter.

The US can afford to spend on its military. It saddens me when I see developing countries get into arms races spurred on by defence companies from the US/Europe. These countries are made to prioritize security over providing basic necessities to their citizens.

Oh can it now? http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/, propably not your official site, neither is http://www.usdebtclock.org/ but the point is you have a tremendous debt (it's actually bigger than the amount of money that we have here on earth). Who do you own the debt to? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System the private owned Fed Reserve. If you look within your country you will come to realise that war is the only way you can survive by now (and 10+ years ago).

I don't understand arms race? Are you talking about the private sectors (i.e blackwater)?

this is the truth, the USA is broke broke broke and they just are kicking their economic crisis down the road.
It's going to get bad here sooner than later at this rate. Who knows though, if they keep gas cheap and the celebrity scandals going, no one may even notice.

[sickhouse]

I don't understand arms race? Are you talking about the private sectors (i.e blackwater)?

No, I was talking about countries like India and Pakistan spending large amounts of money on their defence budgets.
India's spending on defence is 2.5% of GDP, which is higher than China, UK and France.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

Ah I see. Yeah nice try but f*ck you we have drones - I understand that India is expanding their defenses considering how close to the war zone it is, I don't know much about this arms race tbh, I dont care for war but there is one I am willing to fight to the death - the one that will be fought for my own believes, and that's not fucking paper money or black gold.

But a thing I learned some time ago is never trust a Wikipedia link (I know I linked them too), they often are faulty or have very vague sources. FYI I am from Sweden and I have never heard of Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (for real, didn't know we had such a thing, now I realize why we aren't in NATO )

[sickhouse]

European countries can have these luxurious welfare states and socialistic mentalities because they spend very little on military spending. I don't endorse the former but wish the US would do much less of the latter.

The US can afford to spend on its military. It saddens me when I see developing countries get into arms races spurred on by defence companies from the US/Europe. These countries are made to prioritize security over providing basic necessities to their citizens.

Oh can it now? http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/, propably not your official site, neither is http://www.usdebtclock.org/ but the point is you have a tremendous debt (it's actually bigger than the amount of money that we have here on earth). Who do you own the debt to? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System the private owned Fed Reserve. If you look within your country you will come to realise that war is the only way you can survive by now (and 10+ years ago).

I don't understand arms race? Are you talking about the private sectors (i.e blackwater)?

this is the truth, the USA is broke broke broke and they just are kicking their economic crisis down the road.
It's going to get bad here sooner than later at this rate. Who knows though, if they keep gas cheap and the celebrity scandals going, no one may even notice.

Keep people busy with plane crashes, "terrorism boston bombings, and just good old CNN overall". It's not only US that's broke it's every ally to them (name a couple of countries who aren't in debt and who are licking the US ass. EU is broke, we live on pretend cash, they say Germany had it tough with money after WW II well take a close look at what's really going on..
The money they had to pay with were standing in currency to gold (correct me if I am wrong here), the money we have is called petrodollar, or pretenddollar, whatever floats your boat.

I am not arguing with you but agreeing, I've seen some of the US commercials and it's sickening tbh - notice what?

[EvilPanda]

Wow $1000 for staying at home? :O That's insane! Imagine that in my country, that actually is a part of the EU, you get about $500 in a normal, full time job.
In my first full time job, which was shitty by the way, I was getting $300 a month!

[Rishblitz]

European countries can have these luxurious welfare states and socialistic mentalities because they spend very little on military spending. I don't endorse the former but wish the US would do much less of the latter.

The US can afford to spend on its military. It saddens me when I see developing countries get into arms races spurred on by defence companies from the US/Europe. These countries are made to prioritize security over providing basic necessities to their citizens.

Well a lot of third world nations have had coups. so the thought is you better be prepared when the next civil war comes not saying this is good but I guess that gives some perspective.