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It's interesting to see such statements being projected by ISIS. I think that such provocative comments could even spark a conflict between Muslims. What's your view on this? Could see more Muslims opposing Jihad in the near future?

A duty? No excususes? :D There are many reasons/excuses for not joining this innocents-killing army. I really hope he knows what he is talking about. There is nothing hidden in what he is, just a political psycho.

Educating Muslims to carry weapons to fight for what? Their rights? Rights to rape, kill, terror and finish other human beings in the name of religion. A slaughter explaining the benefits of killing.

I don't think Muslims who know Islam goes for it but still, some people including non-Muslims and Muslims may go to earn money.

ISIS and his bloody conspirators tells whatever they like to make their conspiracy come true.

These people mainly target those people who are hurt by the Government or by other religions and have lost their family members due to a war or hurt due to similar events. Such people are emotionally weak and hence they don't mind joining these groups and kill others in the hope that their wounds will get some relief. When a person is weak, it's easy to mold them in a way you want and if one checks their members, half of them might be affected due to unfortunate circumstances and others might have been brain washed.

The fact is these leaders mostly don't do anything wrong themselves but they start forming groups who fight for them and harm others. These leaders sit back and enjoy the killing and since they have money, they get more and more people to join them.

This isn't a religious fight but they are just cruel monsters who don't care about their religion but hate humans.

I don't they "hate" humans, they just don't care humans. They want wealth and power and they will do whatever they like/want to get it.

Bah.

I'm certain if we check, we will find across the world a set of "radical mullahs" who fully support the actions of ISIS, and who so preach to their faithful flocks.

That is why the word "radical" is put in front of the word "mullah."

No more dis information, please.

This is a disinformation as it is clear they are doing it for their political gains.

Not if the political gains and the religious gains are the same.  The Global Caliphate.

Power and money. This not a religious gain.

You know, if the supreme religious leader of Iran says that his wish is to kill all Jews, and Zakir says something different, I think I'll believe the supreme religious leader of Iran.

If the supreme leader of ISIS says "There is no excuse for any Muslim not to migrate to the Islamic State... joining [its fight] is a duty on every Muslim. We are calling on you either to join or carry weapons [to fight] wherever you are.", I think I'll believe the ISIS leader instead of Zakir.

I am getting tired of your arrogant, know it all, smarter and wiser than you, attitude.  Some humility is in order, particularly in the face of and discussion about evil in the world.

The people known as "radical mullahs" who support the actions of the ISIS don't deserve to live as they are a threat to humanity. Their end will not affect us but their existence will affect us. I don't know what you think but it seems you believe that all Muslims are supporting the ISIS or such terror attacks? I just find it illogical if anyone comes out and blames religion for these actions and this proves that our world will never progress. What people used to think 1000 years ago, they think the same today. There was no education 1000 years back and today when there is, people don't seem to make use of it.

When earlier I used to believe that animals are unfortunate to be born in this world as they have no mind, today I find them the most fortunate of all as they don't belong to any religion. At least if they bite a person, nobody will be foolish to ask them their caste/religion/belief.

كفّار (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafir)

... Is what we are to them, so it does not matter what you say...

You can believe what you like. The "supreme leader of ISIS" is playing with lies. It will be uncovered sooner or later. A thing I want to tell you is that the "supreme leader of ISIS" is not the one who created Islam.

Hope there are no people who accepts his invitation.


Thanks for another word of hatred! :-\

Perhaps he is right. In 90% of the cases, Islam was spread though the use of force, mostly in the form of conquests and genocides. There are hundreds of examples. The current day Pakistan, which is 97% Muslim now was a majority Hindu region just 5 centuries ago. Similarly, Indonesia (90% Muslim now) was mostly Hindu and Buddhist. Iran was Zoroastrian before the Islamic conquest. Afghanistan was Animist, Hindu and Buddhist.

Muslims also happen to be humans. Most humans just want to live in peace and be left alone. There are hundreds of millions of muslims who are just as disgusted by their perversion of Islam as your average cracker.

You're wrong, they are want to enforce Islamic law (sharia) to the world.

You are wrong. They don't follow Islamic law (sharia).

How do you know? Please tell me your reason.

1. Kill innocents.
2. Hire people to kill innocents.
3. Watch porn videos.

And probably many more.

Innocents? Who are they? Where did you got the news/story about those your reasons? Did you believe that news/story? Why?

LOL SO BIASED. And with random percentage stats to boot  :D :D :D :D

Christianity spread through the land with rainbows and flowers  :D :D :D

Aren't you following ISIS? They kill innocents including Muslims and non-Muslims by bombing, shooting, raping, torturing etc...

Have you check that news/story? Did you believe a story came from a wicked? ::)
O you who believe, if a wicked person comes to you with any news, then you shall investigate it. Lest you harm a people out of ignorance, then you will become regretful over what you have done. al-Hujurat, ayah 6

+1. :D Not any wicked. It's from trustworthy sources.

Did I ever said that Christianity was spread through the land with rainbows and flowers? Both Christianity and Islam used force as a means of getting new converts. Christianity was spread in the "New World" through a massive campaign of genocide, in which more than 90% of the native population was exterminated. Both these Abrahamic religions religions resemble more to organized business corporations than to other religions. 

Excuses for jihad?
1. al-Baqarah: 216
2. an-Nisa’: 74
3. at-Tawbah: 38-39
4. Muhammad: 4-6
5. at-Tawbah: 41
and more...

Yes, nothing hidden, his lineage all the way back to the prophet Muhammad (PBUH), don't you know?

Out of context verses. You should look what these verses tell. The verses you picked doesn't end there or start there. Those verses tell to fight when the non-Muslims at the time of prophet tortured and killed many Muslims. Muslims had no choice other than to fight and these verses came at that time. It is mentioned in Qur'an that if the non-Muslims(at the time of prophet) didn't want to fight, don't hurt them.

Then why do they kill people of their own religion? They don't consider them worth enough to exist in this world? Terrorists also kill people who belong to their own religion and call it their religious beliefs and some people who dislike the religion believe in it.

But what does it mean "jihad"? Sometime ago, I have asked one my muslim friend and he told me that it is not a question of  war/kill etc.... but jihad means an effort for 'you' to help others and spread the Islam religion. Now I do not think the ISIS members are muslim due this fact, they are not spreading the Islam (the contrary). Now I do not know if this is true (but I suppose : yes). Maybe someone here can say what does it mean "jihad".

http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/5-jihad-a-misunderstood-concept-from-islam.html?start=9

I don't know some deeper knowledge about Islam but what the ISIS is doing right is just completely unethical, immoral, and inhuman. Why would you promote rape, killing innocent people, torture, and war? Just to spread the word? I'm not knowledgeable about the Qur'an, but I'm pretty certain that there is not a verse there that promotes killing other innocent people just for the sake of Islam.


I agree that the Roman Catholic Church once entered a state wherein they would burn people at stake who doesn't believe in god and combat heresy and witchcraft. The Holy Inquisition, that is. Even innocent people became victim of this brutal and unethical method. It was not even stated in the Bible but still they insist that it is "for God."

ISIS contribution to our world is its evil satanic ideology of destruction and barbarism.
I don't think they should be called fighters,murdering cowards is far more fitting.

The sad part being that as long as there will be losers in the world, there will be people to follow him. Some years ago, those people would have joined the communist party, now they join that islamic state (they don't deserve caps).

So basically (quoting some parts here):

- The Arabic word "jihad" is often translated as "holy war," but in a purely linguistic sense, the word " jihad" means struggling or striving.
- The arabic word for war is: "al-harb".
...
- The concept of jihad has been hijacked by many political and religious groups over the ages in a bid to justify various forms of violence. In most cases, Islamic splinter groups invoked jihad to fight against the established Islamic order. Scholars say this misuse of jihad contradicts Islam.
- Examples of sanctioned military jihad include the Muslims' defensive battles against the Crusaders in medieval times, and before that some responses by Muslims against Byzantine and Persian attacks during the period of the early Islamic conquests.

---

What the hell http://techforum.it/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/asd.gif? It is destroying all the concept, proclaim themselves muslim it is so simple ... but be a muslim is really 'hard'.

I agree with last sentence. If you want to read more, you can read more articles by going through 'ARTICLE INDEX'.

Quoting from that website:

 - Jihad is not a violent concept.
 - Jihad is not a declaration of war against other religions. It is worth noting that the Koran specifically refers to Jews and Christians as "people of the book" who should be protected and respected. All three faiths worship the same God. Allah is just the Arabic word for God, and is used by Christian Arabs as well as Muslims.
 - Military action in the name of Islam has not been common in the history of Islam. Scholars says most calls for violent jihad are not sanctioned by Islam.

Its about time these extremists are dealt with.
They are all deluded and are giving Muslims a bad name.

We can't call them "extremists" because they don't know anything about Islam and don't follow most rules of Islam. It is better to call them "n00bs". ::)

or monstrous savages

PLease do not disgrace the honorable word Noobs/n00bs with Isis.

+1.


You are saying ISIS is worst than "n00bs", right? I loved it! :D

Noobs here abouts means someone who is a beginner at something.  Usually a computer game.

Newbie --> noob --> n00b

Did you mean shiite? Shiite is not Islam, you must know that. ISIS do not kill Muslim, but shiite do.

+1 :D By the way, ISIS will not attack if not attacked first, don't you know?

Exactly. ISIS don't know about Islam. So they can't be extremists, rather a n00b.


ISIS *do* kill Muslims.


Nope, they will. There is no need for ISIS to kill others other than for political gains.

ISIS do not kill Muslims. You all have been deceived by the media. Shiite commit violence to Muslims, but media reports that is violence of ISIS.

EDIT: What did you mean about political gains? They even more loving akhirah rather than dunya.

You think only non-Muslims are affected by the blasts, slaughters etc... done by ISIS? :-\

Because you said "ISIS *do* kill Muslim", I consider it as intent. They will not intentionally kill Muslims.

EDIT: Do you think only ISIS that doing blasts, slaughters, etc. ? :-\

Of course, it's killing.

Kill = Cause the death of (a person, animal, or other living thing).

Nope. Many do things like that, not just ISIS.

"We are calling on you either to join or carry weapons [to fight] wherever you are."

So... Islam.. Religion of peace..

Yesterday I was browsing liveleak and found a video of a man that was in handcuffs or tied with his hands behind his back while 2 men had some "fun" with him.

While screaming god is great they were stabbing a man with the bayonet on the AK-47 he had.
The man was screaming in pain and the more he was screaming, the more that two monkeys were laughing..

Again.. Religion of Peace?

He's using big words right there. Not every muslim wants war so a call to arms wont be that easy.

ISIS isn't following Islam even though they claim they are. They are denying many rules of Islam. How can they be Muslims if they kill innocents including non-Muslims and Muslims?

The majority of Muslims are peaceful.. Because they live in civilized countries.

But.. atleast 10% of all muslims are radical and extremists..

1.5 billion muslims.. 10% = 150 million people who wants to kill the rest of the world.

In fact, if shiite killing Muslims, the media reported that ISIS is doing it, make you believe that ISIS is doing it. News deceive you from the beginning. In fact, ISIS wants to enforce sharia in this world. In fact, kaffirun hate if the sharia dominate in this world. Then they did all their guile, through the media they lied to the whole human being, including to Muslims, lied that ISIS kill Muslims, lied that ISIS want to destroy ka'bah, lied that the leader of ISIS was died, lied that this everything done by ISIS because political gains, and many more. And the worst thing is, Muslims believe it. That's why I asked you about "have you check that news?" yesterday :(

Who says they are not muslims?

If I say I am muslim, then I am muslim.. If I say I am athiest then I am athiest.
I just personaly have to believe in it.

But I guess they read like a 1st grader.. They see the words: "Kill" "Everyone" "Infedels""Muslim enemies"

So you are essentially concluding ISIS is innocent? ISIS didn't kill Muslims, they ain't cruels etc...?

P.S. Are you telling what media tell about senior ISIS leader is a lie?


So just claiming but no following is enough to be a follower? Hmm...

But... they even kill Muslims.

So if you have to be within a religion.. Then it means that you have to follow it 100% no matter what is in the book?
Because then I want to ask you:

Do you drink alcohol?
Do you smoke?
Do you do drugs?
Do you cut a theifs hand off?
Do you stone women to death?
Do you kill people who disagree with islam?
Do you want to kill the cartoonists who made the drawings of Muhammed?


That is just a few.. lol

I am getting curious about you and your beliefs when it comes to islam and what you follow from it.

Instead of innocent, they never kill Muslims without reason (like commit a crime), they follow sharia. Are you not aware had been deceived by the kaffirun media? I've said to you a few times, "the shiite kill Muslims, but media reported it's done by ISIS", but you still said "But... they even kill Muslims.".

So you think that they don't do it intentionally? LOL!

They send terrorists to other countries and tell them to kill all the people who are walking on the road, travelling in trains. Dn't they think that even Muslims might be travelling in the trains? That's not intentional?

I don't think so, in fact ISIS don't kill Muslims, news made that state.

P.S: Laugh as loud as you still live in this world.

That figure seems to be more or less accurate. The percentage might be higher in countries such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, and it might be lower in nations such as Indonesia and Albania. Out of this 150 million, I believe that less than 5% (7.5 million) might actually want to fight. The remaining 95% are mere sympathizers, who are not interested in losing their lives for Jihad.

An eye opener:

The group’s killing of Westerners gets attention. But ISIS has killed far more Muslims, and publicizing that fact would harm it more.
Last Thursday, the United Nations released a report that could provide us with one of the keys to defeating ISIS. Unfortunately, it received almost zero media attention.

What makes this 26-page report (PDF) so powerful is that it describes to us the gruesome circumstances in which ISIS has killed fellow Muslims. We are talking beheadings, killing of women for objecting to ISIS’ policies, and executing Sunni Muslim clerics for refusing to swear allegiance to ISIS.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/07/isis-s-gruesome-muslim-death-toll.html

@bold: Why do you sound like one of the ISIS members? Why should I be happy or sad about my life. Aren't you alive too?

I just need to be sure.. 1.500.000.000/ 100 * 10% or 5% = either 150m 10% or 75m 5%.
Or am I wrong?

Even if its 75 million or just 7.5 million its still so such a large amount that they could do insane amounts of damage..
We know that they use refuges as their secret weapon.
To put more pressure on EU but also smuggel terrorists with the refuges.

He might be one of them.
Thats the thing..

They dont wear a uniform.
They walk around like civs and then when accual civilians are hit by bombs and artillery then they cry about the west being the bad guy.

If you are still in ISIS territory then you are a friend of ISIS unless you are unable to flee.
So live with them, die with them.

No, no, I'm not an ISIS members, do not think of me like that, I don't have any arms ;)
By the way, there is no ISIS anymore.

I dint mean to accuse him of anything but his statement "Laugh because you're still alive" is suspicious. This indirectly means that I may be a next target of ISIS? Why does he want me to be a target? Just because I don't agree with him? *Sick*

Well, you can call it what you want.. ISIS, ISIL, IS, Retards, Monkeys.

It was a joke :P

But sadly there is supporters of them around here aswell I think..
They just dont have the balls to come forward..

There is a reason that why I said that to you, hard to explain, keep calm ;)

I said they don't follow most rules and claim they are Muslims. That don't make them Muslims.


1,2 & 3: No.
4 & 5: No. I have no right to do it and law in my country is different.
6: No because there is no rule in Islam to kill another person who disagree.
7: No. Even though drawing pictures of prophet is not permissible and is a lie, inslut & blasphemy, they shouldn't be killed. FWIW drawing a picture of living being is not permissible in Islam not just prophet.

I said out of the 150 million ISIS sympathizers, some 5% might want to fight for real. That is 5% of 150 million = 7.5 million. And most of them will remain in countries such as Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Libya and Afghanistan. So they pose not a great deal of threat to the civilized nations.

But.. Then it just sounds like you have a list of rules that you follow and that you think is the ideal muslim.
And if someone does not follow your specific ideals or something very alike, then they are not muslim?

The more kafirs you will kill the more probability you will go to a heaven with 70 virgins. It's simple. So kill more =))))) That is an islam as it is! It's just a quastion who those kafirs are? How do you determine who is the kafir and who are not?

No. You can try looking Qur'an and Hadiths. I follow them and that is Islam.


Islam doesn't tell to kill a kafir.

Sorry misread you :)

Well..

Lets just say that 1000 go from the middle east to EU as refuges but are there to do terrorism.
Lets say that 300 of them gets caught by police..

Now.. The 700 people have weapons and are ready to kill civilians.
And lets say they manage to kill 2 people each.

Its still 1400 civilians that are killed for no reason other than they want to be able to stone women to death and fuck goats in peace.

Thats how ISIS interpret quran. lol
It's an obvious thing that ISIS is nothing more than terroristic organization. Tru muslim believers would never kill a man. True islam is a religion which is very alike christianity.

True that Christianity is very much alike Islam as both tells to pray one God. However, it is not anymore as Christianity had been making Jesus, a prophet, a God. So it is now not like Islam but still have many similarities.

Jesus is the son of God.
And died for the worlds sins.

(Bible, not my beliefs)

That's the problem. Jesus never (pro)claimed him as a God. Anyway, I think we shouldn't discuss about it here to prevent thread derailment.

This is what going to happen:

1,000 ISIS idiots start their journey from the Middle East to Europe.
950 of them will get caught, and will be deported back.
Of the remaining 50, 45 will get arrested before they can get hold of weapons.
Out of the remaining 5, 4 will get arrested before they could attack any target.
Most probably, the sole remaining terrorist will be shot dead by the cops, before he is able to kill anyone.

So what about France?
Charlie Hebdo.

Copenhagen Denmark does not really count on that one since he never left Denmark.

The Charlie Hebdo attacks were perpetrated by criminals who were born and raised in France. So it has nothing to do with radical ISIS terrorists migrating from the Middle East to carry out attacks against European targets. The recent migrants to Europe will be under continuous observation from various security agencies, and they will have less breathing space compared to the second and third generation immigrants.

They did have connections to ISIS and even one of them tried to flee back to syria.
Dont remember if he/she made it or not.

The Charlie Hebdo perpetrators were radicalized when they were living in Paris. So who is to blame here? And regarding the individual who fled back to Syria, you must be referring to Hayat Boumeddiene. She was the wife of Amedy Coulibaly, the guy who lead the Montrouge shooting. And once again, both Amedy Coulibaly and his wife were born and raised in France.

http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/i/newscms/2015_02/841191/150109-hayat-boumeddiene-amedy-coulibaly_01b460f8bb975fcbe4cd60804e5659b3.jpg

Okay.

Hmm.. I thought one of them were from syria..

Ohh well.
Thanks for correcting me.

But still.. Psychos that should be executed.

Hard for me to fathom the level of hate in people like this.