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This year, aprox. 600 000 new asylum seekers are expected on EU borders, analysts already predict perhaps one million next year. This is nothing new, for years thousands were migrating towards Europe, searching refugee, better life or just piece of its welfare system. However current crisis is unlike any other for following reasons.

- Western Europe has been trying (and failing) its romance with multiculturalism for decades now, integration of millions of its "new citizens" has to large degree failed as we can see in cities such as Malmö, London, Paris, Calais or suburbs of Berlin. Letting in one million of foreigners with completely different value system every year might be just irresponsible.

- As direct result of the above, euro comitee now wants binding quota, that would force smaller countries to also take in refugees - this of course disregards the fact, that new member states such as Poland or Czech republic already took care for tens of thousands Ukrainians, Vietnamese and Roma. That just doesnt count.

- In most progressive countries such as Sweden or Austria, even small towns are now forced to take in migrants under the threat of government sanctions. In Austria, every town has to take in atleast 1 migrant per 266 inhabitants, in Sweden it is 1 migrant per 300 inhabitants.

- As result of the state sponsored multiculturalism (which all but replaced religion in northern-western Europe), any criticism of either immigration or Islam is seen as criminal offense in Sweden, starting from 1/1/2015.

- Cant speak for westerners, however in my country (Czech republic), 92% of population is against the quota and for self-determination and voluntary help. Regardless, local goverment already assured its citizens, that quota will be accepted in the future, it is only question when.

- Current euro asylum system is quite motivating for people smugglers (who already take aprox. 6000 dollars per migrant, before they allow them to board their ships). Recent tactics, is to throw (!) passengers overboard, when ship from some european nation appears on horizon, forcing the euro crew to rush to rescue. Job done, money already received.

- In places such as southern Italy, large mobs of visitors were leaving detention camps, occupying buildings, throwing out inhabitants if any were found inside. All areas heavily hit by migration start to heavily resemble Detroit.

- In northern France drivers and policemen are frequently attacked for preventing migrants to cross La Manche into the Britain - and its welfare system. Along with the fact, that 80% of these people are young men under the age of 30, it begs the question: Is their absolute majority fleeing from something or rushing towards it?

- Main donor countries: Kosovo, Eritrea, Nigeria, Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia. Rich and culturally close countries (Saudi Arabia, Quatar, UAE) refuse to take them in. Countries responsible for unrest in middle East (vast majority of them english speaking) also do not take them in.
 
I ask for civil discussion on the matter. Thank you.

Polarized people who are fighting among themselves are easier for leaders to manage.  This will be combined with austerity to increase the level of friction.

Good point. Region polarized by ethnic, religious and class hatred might be easy to control by outside power. Local authorities would also get good excuse to curb civil liberties "if it only saves one life!".

One million sub-Saharan immigrants a year. Good luck with that.  ;D

It will be interesting to see how the homogeneous nations within the European Union react to this "migrant" quota proposal. Countries such as Latvia and Lithuania, where the current African population can be counted on the fingers of one hand, will be forced to take up tens of thousands of them. And the economies of these nations are already broke. How they are going to give welfare benefit payments to the immigrants?

Bryant,

refugees are not racially homogenous. Tens of thousands also come from places such as protectorate of Kosovo, Syria and Afghanistan. You have good point on the opinion of the natives, though. Last week, there was outcry in Latvia, that illegals, who were trying to get into Germany (and were stopped in Latvia of all places) receive higher state benefits, then Latvias pensioners. Migrants still let themselves be heard, though, that they dont want to stay in country that poor. It would be hilarious, if we werent talking about entire continent bending in.

I think that the European Union quota takes in to account only the Mediterranean refugees. Almost all of them are Sub-Saharan African, especially from countries such as Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gambia, Guinea, Liberia, Mali.etc. Although a small number are Arabs and Berbers from the Maghreb, especially Tunisia and Libya.

"those who want to live let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live"

could easily be stopped by sinking a couple of boats or just rounding the people up and dumping them in libya but europeans lack the ruthlessness to do it at this present time

you need to understand europeans born after 1970 are brainwashed almost from birth to believe race is a social construct and there is no difference between a swede and an eritrean, that they are obliged to provide housing and welfare to anyone refugee who wants it, that when african immigrants arrive on their shores by the million and steal and rape their women its due to socioeconomic factors white people created so we owe them something forever, that disagreeing with any of this is very bad thing as it makes them racists and racists are evil people who secretly want to turn jews into soap and lampshades

we've gone soft , feminised, pacified by cultural marxist egalitarian self hating indoctrination, but i'm optimistic about things and have faith in the people of europe, and when they wake up and rise up get ready for a REAL fucking holocaust when the bastards who created this mess are held to account

Saddam,
we dont need to shoot them, Australia already has rather elegant solution of "zero tolerance". That is - if you break a law during crossing the borders, you shall not stay in country. Ever. Similar thing could be adopted in Europe, even retroactively.

While you are right about multiculturalism brainwashing people, I find that vast majority of eastern Euros from new member states are unmoved and remain sceptical - perhaps because recent experience with communism or relatively long isolation from increasingly internally weak West. I also spoke with some Germans, who altough refrained from comments such as "shoot them" were also extremely sceptical. Everybody somehow understands, that this is start of nothing good and natives are not consulted by authorities anymore. There is no democracy in EU currently and peoples options to defend their interests are extremely limited.


True. Vast majority (80%) are men in their teens and twenties too, who somehow got thousands of US dollars for travel across two continents. For all intents and purposes, they look, smell and behave like an invading force.

It costs somewhere between $10,000 and $15,000 for a migrant to reach Lampedusa or Malta, from a Sub Saharan nation such as Gambia. This $10,000 is a very big amount in Gambia. It is almost 10 times the average annual salary there. This makes it clear that it is the rich, and not the poor, who undertake the trip to Europe.

I asked my friend from China about the illegals from that country since the cost of gaining entry is surprisingly high.  She said that what happens is that entire families chip in as and investment of sorts to raise the money.  IIRC, some people were caught on an ocean vessel and they had paid like $40,000 to get across the Pacific.  Considering the jobs these people seem to take I had (and still have) some difficulty understanding the economics.  But it doesn't bother me all that much.  I personally feel that our country is well served by the inclusion of hard working and industrious people be they from Mexico, China, or elsewhere.  For now.

This might be an incomplete analysis and/or limited to immigrants from that particular area to mine.  There does seem to be a pretty noticeable campaign on the part of many of our leaderships (or a group coordinating the leaders themselves) to get immigration happening so it would not surprise me if there were some funding which trickles down to immigrants themselves as you describe.

Don't worry, the UK will take them all. There are lots of cheap empty houses, the NHS is a long way from breaking point and 600'000 empty job positions, so they wouldn't need to live a life of crime.

I find it funny that these countries are forced by the EU committee not only to accept these people but also to pay them wages. This is ridiculous as I can understand accepting someone and giving him asylum, but paying him and granting all social services? Come on, it's not like these are disabled people that need the government to feed and clothe them. And who is going to pay for it? The taxpayers, who else...

Calling them illegal migrants instead of asylum seekers /refugees removes any kind of guilt associated with turning them back. That said each country should be free to decide its own asylum / immigration policies.

Even if there are millions of job vacancies available, very few of these "refugees" will be willing to work. Even now, a very small fraction of the people who are classified as refugees in the United Kingdom work full-time. The remainder live off the welfare payments, or indulge in petty crimes such as drug trafficking to earn money.

We cannot come to an conclusion of rich and poor status by the amount of money they spent for travel, there is a vital chance that they use their life time savings as a hope to live better in Europe and also for their children or generations to lead a good and prosperous peaceful life in European countries. It is really very sad to see that the Human who are similar to us are suffering for one time food and shelter in this digital era.

The problem is that Europe can't support all these people. The total population of Sub Saharan Africa is almost three times that of Europe. And Europe is currently dealing with refugee inflows from countries such as Syria, Afghanistan, and Kosovo. By no means, the European Union can allow the immigration of 1 billion Sub Saharans to its territory.

Well, if having a better life in a rich country is an option, most capable and rational people are going to choose it rather than stay in their old country and making it better.  Making it better for ALL of the nation's citizens.

I have a very limited amount of confidence in our Western leadership (esp, here in the U.S.) when they hand-wring about the shitty life some third-worlders are presumed to have while at the same time propping up the most awful dictators in those same countries in order to milk them for resources.  Indeed, providing an escape hatch for the members of a developing world population who might challenge the leaders we install there may be one reason for these immigration policies.

Unfortunately all these poor migrants just land up in the peripheral euro nations of the south whose resources are already stretched to the limit. The EU is hardly doing anything to alleviate the burden that Italy and Greece is mainly having and I wouldn't be surprised if they are also responsible, along with the U,S for all the political and economic turmoil in Africa that is a remnant of the old colonial times. :'(

No. They are going to be distributed across the EU nations, as per the new quota system developed by the European Union. Countries such as Latvia and Poland, which have never accepted any refugee from the Sub Saharan African region will be forced to accept them this time, reducing the extreme burden on Southern nations such as Malta and Italy.

I wonder how many terrorists ISIS have hidden amongst the refugees?

The quota system for refugees has received more critics than supporters. I don't think it will be implemented. So the immigrants will remain free to move wherever they want within the Shenghen zone, just like today. They may want to set up in Calais where they get free meals and some medical care.

Even if there are a few ISIS militants among the refugees, how they are going to launch the attacks? If they are sent to refugee camps, then their freedom of movement might be restricted. And they will be under constant surveillance 24x7. I don't think that any of them will be able to procure weapons, to launch an attack against the civilian or military installations.

They are illegal migrants instead of coming over here and Turning our country into theirs they should try to fix their shithole first.

Exactly. They are not refugees or asylum seekers, they are economic migrants. In normal cases, we don't call someone a refugee, if he migrates to get a better livelihood. Most of the countries in the Sub-Saharan Africa are under military dictatorships. In some cases, the democratically elected government was toppled, with help from the United States and its NATO allies (a prime example is the American and French supported military coup in Burkina Faso, which ended in the assassination of Thomas Sankara).

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/06/burkina-fasos-revolutionary-hero-thomas-sankara-to-be-exhumed

I am not one for international intervention in other nations affairs. but I also believe they should try to make there country better then make it bad for all of us.

Exactly. This type of immigration can be bad for both the sides. The host nations (such as Italy, Malta and Greece) will have to spend billions of USD in providing welfare payments to these people. And the source nations (such as Gambia and Senegal) will lose a large part of its skilled and educated population, making it even difficult to stage an economic recovery.

Who is paying for them to emigrate from their respective countries?
     ???

Okay, you see them.  All these obviously foreign street vendors, and all of the same country.  All these obviously foreign prostitutes and all from the same country...  It is not likely Random.

This has happened before.  With illegal slaves coming as legal immigrants into countries where slavery is illegal and are forced to work for free as whatever the mafia is demanding.

sdp

There is no place for "guilt", when deciding on issues of social welfare of entire state and national security.


People, who live in tents in harbor of Calais are not waiting to get into UK to work, brother - they could already do that in Germany, France or Switzerland  :) those countries just dont have your welfare system or language of communication, that is all. Your argument about crime is arguable hilarious. They already broke the law, when entering EU. They already are criminals colaborating with smugglers.


60% of migrants detented in Italy already left and or fled camps, Grenzpolizei of Germany isnt capable of catching those hundreds of thousands all again. So your argument is null. Nobody really knows now, how many are inside Europe already, where they currently reside and what are their aims. There is no control as the borders of EU are nonfunctional. Some may be ISIS fighters, others may have brought ebola or AIDS, we simply dont know.

SDP, good point. Italian mafia is cooperating with Italy´s politicians according to latest reports. "Refugee crisis" is now more profitable than drug trade. State (tax payer) pays 50 dollars per day for every refuge. 5% of those dollars (every day, per every refugee) end up in pocket of aforementioned "gentlemen".

Well, that is just poor handling of the situation by the European Union. I still believe that it will be difficult for these people, to obtain arms and ammunition to conduct an attack on European targets. That said, a much more possible scenario is some of these new ISIS members joining the already existing Jihadi cells in Europe.

UK must take them all. London is enough large and multicultural city, all people know this. So UK can be the decision  ;D

Yeah it's a mess in Italy we receive like 1000 immigrants every week if not more and we have no mean to feed them, we don't know how to handle the situation and the Europe doesn't help us at all. Entire cities are basically being raided as of now and it's chaos because there are so many policemen used to keep things under control

Italy is not a very migrant-friendly nation. Some of the migrants might find work in the Italian wineyards and the orchards. But the vast majority will travel further North (to Germany) or East-wards (to the United Kingdom, via France). A significant portion will end up in London and the other British cities.

I did not suggest they will attack in human waves, WW1 style  ;) as many liberal politicians currently think about granting voting rights to all foreigners, they wont need to initially. Europe will be crushed anyway.

I am not sure, you understand, that war doesnt have to be waged by weapons, its simply process during which you want the other party to accept your will.

I do not see those economic migrants as enemies by the way. They are simply tool in the hands of western upper class, that serves to curb the rights of natives. Tactics, that was before also used in Africa and Americas for financial gain during the process known as colonization.

It is not plausible anymore to think, that this is merely "poor handling" of situation by officials. Situation has been going on for years like this, too many people and money are involved for it to be all purely coincidental.

Well, what kind of help do you need, Fabrizio? WHY did you take them on your soil in the first place?! Even if east Europeans (except for bolshevik Swedes, westerners are tired of all these people already) take in one million of your gifts every year it wont change a damn thing. There 80 million people born into poor families every year in the third world. Can you make the math? Euro upper class is destroying old continent via barely literate (and often islamic) migrants and your country willingly serves them as a gateway.

No need to blame the Italians. They are forced to accept the Sub Saharans by the orders of the European Union. Italy is no longer a sovereign nation. For example, the decision on what to do with the migrants is taken by the European Union, which Italy does not have the right to oppose. On its part, Italy had a deal with Gaddhafi's Libya on how to handle the illegals. It worked well until 2011, when the Americans decided to invade Libya.

The only chance we have is to let them die in the sea, don't you get it? The ONU would knock to our doors and fuck us up if we were that egotistic. Italy is part of the Europe and as such it must receive help because it's a problem of everyone not just ours because we are the most near country to those that escape war. You can't just say we are part of a union when it's convenient, or better when Germany wants our money. One day Italy will not be able to handle this anymore and when that happens immigrants twill move to other countries making this problem even worse, just wait for it.

Do you realize that by saving 10 migrants, you are indirectly causing the deaths of 100 more?

It is a chain reaction. If Italy saves, lets say 100,000 Mediterraean migrants and give them refugee status, then another 1 million will try to get the same. And if this one million people are given refugee status, then another 10 million will start their journey from Gambia and Senegal. This is a never-ending process.

Bryant already responded for me.

I still have something to add. I DO BLAME Italians as other western Europeans since they voluntarily keep going on road to hell, now in the process of persuading easterns to join euro Titanic. Fabrizio, you know, that you goverment is doing something counter-productive, even harmful to your countrys future, yet you think about the way to share the problem with others, not about solutions or standing up for yourselves.

Small and poor Hungary can say no, but much larger, much richer Italy already submerged in troubles somehow keeps being submissive (this is also problem of Germany) to imaginary power in Brussels.

Some german priest funnily enough suggested, that since 85% of these "refugees" are young men of military age, european tax payers should pay for their prostitutes to keep them harmless, yet in another german town family of eight was thrown out on street by the administration to free the building for 25 more refugees (as I wrote earlier, towns get more money for "refugees" from tax payers, than their own poor). This is as low, and spineless as it gets.

The way it is now, I am for cancellation of Shengen Treaty and reinstating borders withing Europe. With force if neccessary.

Yes. And unlike the other countries such as France and Germany, many of the Italian mafia gangs make significant profits out of this crisis. These mafia organizations (esp. the ‛Ndràngheta of Calabria, Cosa Nostra of Sicily, Camorra of Naples, and Sacra Corona Unita of Bari) take money from the illegals to organize work in Italy, and sometimes they use them to smuggle drugs from Libya to Italy.

Speaking of welfare and immigration and Italy...

My state in the U.S. was relatively poor when I was a kid.  A fair number of people in my age cohort remember their childhood as being one where some mysterious force dropped food and money on their families out of the sky from time to time.  There was some basic (and probably wrong) notion that the money started out in the hands of rich bastards who could afford it.  (I say wrong because of the way finance tends to work in a debt-based monetary system, and especially one which runs deficits.)

One person I know immigrated from the U.S. to Italy and says it's great because the welfare programs are better there and she doesn't care for work very much.  She had a kid with an African dude.  Dunno if they are formally married or not.  She's still there as far as I know and still happily living on welfare.


If I were a leader in Brussels I would see a certain utility in having a pool of military aged men dependent on financial (and other) support roaming the streets in various parts of the zone.  If these newbies don't really give a crap about the culture of the host country and if there is a fair degree of mutual resentment between this new group and the original inhabitants, these new citizens could be quite useful in exercising physical force if it came to that.  Most of the citizens of old Europe are relatively dis-armed as I understand things and would be sitting ducks.  The perception here in the U.S. is that Europeans tend to be 'pussified' and not very willing or able to defend themselves and they probably would not have joined up under the EU banner in the first place if they were otherwise.  Now they have and to stop the ball from rolling will be painful at best and may not be possible.

A test of my hypothesis about the utility of these 'refugees' would be to see how they are apportioned to the various regions in EU-land.  If the more restive areas tend to be apportioned a larger share it would fit with my hypothesis about where the leadership in Brussels might be headed with this thing.

Italy is having one of the lowest birth rates in the world. So the child benefit payments are quite good. But I really doubt whether it alone take care of the month's expenses. That said, the average wages in Italy are lower, when compared to those in France or Germany. That's why we are having hundreds of thousands of Italians working in countries such as Australia, and Germany.

saw this on daily stormer website, it is awesome and needed to be shared

https://i.imgur.com/kvjVdxM.jpg

This situation is really horrible. These people are so eager to leave destitution and violence and corruption and poverty that they pack themselves into these boats for a chance at a better life.

Shouldn't have been bombing libya, lol...

When you dangle a carrot in front of a starving donkey, what you think it will do? The European Union is literally encouraging these sub Saharan Africans to immigrate, by advertising the generous welfare packages. Why they are not migrating to Israel or Saudi Arabia? These countries are also quite prosperous.

Because immigration through land is much more difficult than by sea. Once you arrive to a coast people there just have the choice to either let you in or leave you die in the water, and the ONU will knock at your doors pretty soon if you'd do that. If someone tries to enter by land, you can simply close your gates and point a gun at them until they leave.

Good question and you almost answered yourself, aswell. In Israel, people who break the law when entering the country get place in work camp/prison. That should still seem good deal for people, who are supposed to be fleeing death (or so we are said), yet these young, healthy african men avoid Israel like a plague.

If I am not wrong, then Israel reached an agreement with Uganda last year. Uganda will take all the asylum seekers who land in Israel, in exchange for a few hundred millions of USD worth of grants and loans. The same strategy is now used by Australia, who are exporting the Asylum seekers to Cambodia and Papua New Guinea.

The Italians just want to keep on living the way they do without anyone spoiling the party, and that's what the migrants are doing.

I was in Italy last week. 11 PM in a small town on a weekday. I was living the restaurant on a warm evening, a quiet street, everything was beautiful, everything was lovely, and then 3 guys with dark skin and dirty clothes came up to the fountain to wash their feet. I am some kind of a migrant myself, having left my country many years ago, so I'm not against migrations but nobody likes to see misery.

Put back Saddam Husseyn and Moammar Geddafi, will have no more ISIS.

Both of them were overthrown by the Americans. And it is interesting to note that, it is the European vassal states which are suffering from the fall of Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddhafi, not the United States. The refugee crisis and the terrorist attacks, which are being resulted from the anarchy in Libya and Iraq is not affecting the United States.

Ahahah, well that is normal in Italy, go to naples and see people there do the weirdest shits. Someone might agree with you, but that's not what I mean. Most of those people are just looking to escape the war, and the world is not so small that other countries can't help them. Others are criminals or worse, so there's that too sure

Most of these migrants are from countries such as Liberia, Gambia, Senegal, Ghana, Cote d'Ivoire, Togo.etc. As far as I know, no war is going on there right now. Just accept it. These people are not refugees from any war, they are just economic migrants from the Sub Saharan Africa, who are just looking at a way to earn money.

Fabrizio, what is your education level? On motivation of migrants, Bryant already responded for me, but you dont have to fucking NASA employee to recognize that people fleeing warzone wont be (85% of the time) young men of military age as is the case here. You can see for yourself, just get outside.

As to your idea of saving the world, Africa currently has double the population of entire European Union (1.1 billion of people), it will be five times more by 2050 (2.7 billion by UN projections). THEN WHAT? Who will feed and house them?

I've been to Napoli a few times, even once in Castel Volturno (many immigrants there), but I still see Italians as clean people. Italy is not like India. It's immigrants who make it look like a third world country, not the Italians.

Its something I feel I can not see properly,part of me thinks you need to protect the population from being bombarded and racing to the bottom. Then
I think a part of that is that I am sitting on the greener grass judging those that have nothing.

You can see that countries in Europe are under a burden from all these people coming in and then I look to a country like Australia that is borderline racist in protecting its country. If we didn't exploit and abuse African countries for so long and turn a blind eye we might not be facing this issue today.

Really would have a hard time making the mandate for this issue.

These people are very desperate to flee their war torn wasteland in search of a better future. And to them Europe seems like the only way.

Well NATO shouldn't have been bombing Libia, lol. Now all middle east and north africa are on fire. Of course standarts of living there is dropping and people running away from there. Europe now facing consequences of its own actions.

Cryptocoiner,

you got it wrong, I am afraid. Bombing Lybia was just final Punkt - instigated by Anglo-French forces. Germans and rest of Euros didnt participate. Bombing of Lybia was supposed to be grand finale of "Arab spring", forceful democratization or rather coercion of sunni countries into the western block. United States, who have the largest responsibility dont take in all those refugees from Ghana, Nigeria or Eritrea - who to my knowledge have NO WAR at all. North african Arabs actually stay home. You are grossly misinformed, sir.

Now, that I got that out of the way, I am downright terrified, that Europe nowadays serves as shield to US sword - this migration included. AFAIK, central and eastern Europe, that participates neither in NATOs agressions nor in colonizations would be much better off as part of Chinese led BRIC block.

Illegal Migrant Crisis in Mediterraean is actually a result of hunger and poverty in Africa and the desperation of those people because they don't have any perspective in their native countries.
What is the solution to this problem?
Raise impenetrable wall around Europe and stop all immigrants?
Bring back those immigrants who have so far managed to enter Europe?
Is it a Europe of freedom and democracy or Europe of exclusiveness and intolerance?
I think that we have a moral obligation to help those poor people and provide them a second home in European countries, and a new chance for life.
Otherwise, this is not the Europe in which I want to live, selfish Europe, which thinks only of himself.

Daniel,

yes, hunger and desperation. Thats why these young black men (who form 85% of the migrant group) pay up to 10 000 dollars to smugglers and border guards to enter Europe, thats why they spite on refugee camps in places like Italy, Hungary and even France (those countries lack welfare system of northern Europe). Because they are desperate and hungry  ;)

But we can agree on one thing. Old continent isnt place you want to live in. Instead you should as a free and good man take destiny into your own hands and go to some place good. Go to Africa and make their desperate and hungry lives better. Thats what man would do, not try to take Europes weakest (sick, old and children) as hostages.

You should understand that they sold their own houses and all properties in order to collect money for this trip.
In many of these countries are wars and much violence and people can not return.
This is not a simple black and white story that can be easily solved.
Europe may not be the ideal continent for life but is much safer and better place to live than Africa.

Who told them to sell their houses and property? And don't lie about the warfare thing. Most of these immigrants come from countries such as Gambia, Senegal, Ghana, Nigeria.etc. As far as I know, no war is going on there. Europe is already full of migrants. More than 10% of the population is composed of migrants and their descendants. I don't think that the continent can take anymore migrants.

They are adults, nobody forced them to sell their properties or get indebted in order to feed organized crime of smuggling.

Europe has 550 million of inhabitants, half of those have work/income. Africa alone has 1.1 billion, South Asia another 2.5 billion. By mid century Africa will have 2.7 billion of people, while Europes will slightly decline. There are 80 million of people born under the poverty line every year.

Of course we bear no responsibility for them (as they do bear no for us), they are adults, but lets say we want to help them. HOW? By turning old continent and our legacy into another Africa? Numbers speak for themselves, we cannot solve problems of neighbours by importing fraction of those problems into our homes.

Furthermore, how many of these refugees did you take care for so far? People advocating "open door policy" in my country are without exception people, who hadnt worked in their life or those financially interested in migrant bussiness (mafia and activists receiving tax payers money for "integrating" migrants).

Some 100 years ago, Africa had a population of 133 million, and Europe had a population of 408 million. Currently, the African population is 1,111 million, while that of Europe is 742.5 million. During the past 100 years, the African population has grown by 735%, while the same for Europe is 82%. And the projected population for Africa is 4,200 million in 2100. These figures speak for themselves.

Bryant,

exactly and even then you are quite generous as you count among "Europes population" countries, that arent members of EU (Russia, Ukraine, perhaps Turkey). Germany, Europes most populous country has 80 million inhabitants (20% are already of migrant background). Thats less, than Ethiopia or Egypt and less, than half of Nigerias.

Hmm... I checked again, and found that the EU population, as of now is 503 million. By 2100, Nigeria alone will be having a population of 914 million. The people, who advocate for open borders policy are quite retarded. There is no way, the EU can accommodate 4 billion extra people by 2100. There is simply no space, as the surface area is just 4.4 million sq.km.

I'm not expecting the present situation to last long as this is raising popularity of the far right. Since elections are never far away in Italy, Renzi will have to act to keep moderate voters behind him.

Renzi, just did act "moderate". He annouced, that, if mandatory migrant quotas are not accepted by other countries, Italy will give free euro visa to everybody, who so far entered the country. Italian state will by this act alone, effectively legalize trans-med human trafficking and any sort of semblance of border control and security for its partners in Europe. No so long ago, this would be act of terrorism and reason for declaration of war.

I am for cancelling of Shengen and putting troops and militias on borders. As are 85% of my compatriots right now.

It is quite hard for people to accept strangers, and especially strangers who come into your home. We must embrace them for they have suffered, we must help them in any way possible, but we must keep in mind that their numbers must stay within reasonable limits.

Pureelite,

not sure, if you are trolling or not. Nobody accepts strangers, who come to their house, dont work and stay there forever. Nobody would choose strangers instead of their own family.

Of course by nobody, I mean, sane people, who actually worked in their life, paid taxes and showed no symptoms of sociopathy. At no point in your short post, did you mention what migrants should do, only what "we" (I guess you mean "us", not "you" by "we") must do. We are not robots, but human beings, who have free will.

That will be disastrous. If Italy gives free visa to everyone who lands there, soon millions of third world citizens will flock to that country. Not only Italy, but every single EU member will get flooded by the Sub Saharan immigrants, including countries such as Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia, which have no experience in dealing with them.

There is obviously some frustration in Brussels with UK Prime Minister David Cameron's approach to this summit. An official from one of the Mediterranean EU countries briefing journalists in the summit press area told us that his country was "…not like the UK".

Mr Cameron, he said, came here with the position: "We will give boats, we will give planes…but in exchange he doesn't want to take in any migrants."

Cameron has made it clear that his country will not take any more Mediterranean immigrants. He came to power recently on a mildly anti-immigrant manifesto, compared to the pro-immigrant platform of the opposition Labor party. Also, you should remember that the United Kingdom is not part of the Schengen Area. The UK is one of the few EU members, having the power to "opt-out".

Exactly, Bryant. Vast majority of these migrants want to get a piece of northern european social welfare (nonexistent in south or east of EU), but, if they will be denied access there, they will move anywhere to wait it out and try again.

This could actually collapse entire european project, once citizens abidding by law realize, that they were sold out by elites.

EDIT: Take east euro country like Slovakia for example. Pensioner, who worked for many decades, paid taxes and raised children (new tax payers) has now rent of 450 euro a month. Illegal, young, healthy migrant from Africa costs on the other hand 1500 (!) euro a month (because unlike pensioner, state provides him with "free" housing, meals, courses aswell as vacations, permanently if needed).

Even disregarding security threats, danger of epidemics (as migrants are not properly screened anymore) and possibility of population replacement and destruction of indigenious culture. Even disregarding all that. European Union is blatantly breeching social contract with its citizens. Its basically pissing all over their heads.

Ever since the European Union came in to existence, the pensioners have seen many of their rights and privileges being taken away or reduced. This has been happening even before the latest wave of austerity measures. I feel bad for them, as most of them have payed their taxes for many decades, only to provide the recent immigrants with free food and housing.

Bryant,

I dont blame those young people trying to get nice life with no work, its in human nature and they were misled by media, who told them we will gladly take care of them all.

I do blame western "elites", who not only propagate these lies, support human trafficking, but also somehow keeps telling its own working class people, that they must share their belongings as they are collectively guilty of leading lives in their native, european countries. Not so long ago, members of these "elites" would be hanged for treason and crimes against humanity.

I am increasingly sure, that civil unrest is coming and blood will fill the streets. All it takes is one more year of this and return of economic crisis. Thats all it takes.

This isn't the only option, but with thousands arriving every month, and France blocking them at its border, Italy badly needs to do something. It just cannot afford to keep tens of thousands of migrants. There will hundred of thousands soon, something must be done.

In the beginning, France was accepting these migrants from Italy. But then it became clear that for most of the migrants, countries such as France, Germany and the United Kingdom were preferred destinations, and they were using Italy just as a transit nation. Also, the Italian crime cartels, such as the 'Ndrangheta and Cosa Nostra are making billions of USD every year by smuggling migrants. The other nations did the right thing, by closing the borders.

Yes, we can and should pay north african regimes to build internment camps and transport them all there, until entire asylum process gets solved for every single individual. Those, that lied or broke the law to enter Europe will never be allowed to cross its borders ever again. Thats the only nonviolent option, that is left at this rate. Something similar, that Australia is doing.

Australia got the idea from Israel. During the 2005-10 period, Israel was getting flooded with Muslim immigrants from Sudan and Eritrea. Finally, they made a deal with Uganda. Israel gave a few hundred million USD worth of loans and grants to Uganda, and in return the Ugandans accepted most of the asylum seekers in Israel. No mainstream media source covered this event.

Canceling shengen would be a huge set back to the EU economy and integration and that's not a solution, you are just adding an additional hurdle that can easily  by passed

Cancelling Shenghen isn't the solution. What we should do is help those people living better in their home countries. I understand that the situation is tricky in Syria, but there are many African countries like Niger where much could be done to help the locals.

Curoman, Countryfree,

I admire your idealism. What help are we talking about? I support development help, but isnt that exactly what northern hemisphere was doing in the past four decades (I am talking about subsaharan Africa, not middle East)? In the mean time local population had tripled or in some regions quadrupled, yet living standarts remained virtually the same.

Maybe the reason, why south Asia (which was much poorer after the WW2, than colonial Africa) is becoming worlds economic engine, while Africa just gets more miserable isnt about foreign help, think about it.



Easily? What do you mean by "easily"?

The best way to help them is to provide them with necessary help in family planning. Do you know that the birth rate is Niger is 7 times that of Germany (50 per 1,000 vs 7 per 1,000)? Unless these countries seriously make an attempt to slow down the population growth, no one can help them. Previous attempts on this front was thwarted by the Niger government, saying that family planning is against the Islamic culture.

As I see the guys in Hungary going to build a new iron curtain (4 meter high fence) on the Serbian border for keeping them off the country. For some reason the EU and the UN complaining because of these "inhumane" plans.

That is not surprising, as Serbia is not an European Union member (and not a part of the Schengen Zone). Every year some 30,000 to 40,000 Albanians (many of them members of the crime cartels) travel to Hungary from Kosovo, Albania and Macedonia to Hungary, via Serbia. Serbia is not doing anything to stop them, and this has forced the Magyars to build the fence.

To defense of Serbia, they have little reason to do anything. Last time, they said no to Albanians was, when they were bombed to stone age by NATO. Incidentally all those countries in the north now threatened by immigration are members of said NATO. Serbia is not rich enough to be of interest for them.

Hmm... so the Serbs are thinking that it is the right time that the EU gets a taste of its own medicine. The EU took away the historic Serbian homeland of Kosovo away from the Serbs, and they are making every attempt to create a Greater Albania, which encompasses Albania (proper), Kosovo, parts of Macedonia, Montenegro and the Presevo Valley in Serbia. The Serbs are right, in exporting these criminals to the EU.

Trust me, I'm more of a realist than an idealist, if you think that we've been helping these countries to get through all this time then trust me this in it self if idealism. What we give with hand we take ten folds with the other and since colonialism.

There is a huge difference between Africa and the countries you are thinking about in southern asia (Just a remind that not all of the countries are doing great just a couple of economical poles), the geopolitical situation since the end of WWII made it that these countries had a much better opportunity to flourish due to the massive help they've got to stop the spread of the communism doctrine , such as Japan, South Korean, Singapore, Taiwan (Macao, Hong Kong ... were literaly built by the UK). at the same time countries in Africa were still under colonism, and the ones that got their independance got it under huge political and economical benefits and had puppet leaders put in place and to make matter worse many neighboring countries were left with no borders delibiratly which to this day is the cause of wars ect ect....  and of course this doesn't mean there aren't other major problems I'm just mentioning the ones related to our countries in relation to the situation.

Like I said before the solution doesn't come overnight, but if we want to solve the situation maybe we should start by taking off the reasons .

Bulgaria also has spent millions of EU money to beef up its borders. I'm afraid that's the future. There are just way too many people who want to get in. Italian newspapers has shown pictures of migrants praying on the rocks, along the coast in Ventimiglia, and guess what, they're all muslims! Great! Thousands of poor unskilled muslims! I see why France doesn't want them.

Right now, France is home to some 7 million Muslims (probably the largest Muslim population in Europe), and recently they have suffered from Islamist terrorist attacks. So they might not be interested in exacerbating the problem. Bulgaria, on the other hand had given asylum status to 7,000 refugees in 2014, which is a very high number.

Yeah, thats why most of France football national team players are descendants of immigrant, like zidane, benzema, nasri, and pogba. I think France is one of european countries that become a friendly place to immigrants, provided they must have skills so it will be easier to them get work there.

Economy and national security of your country shouldnt be subject to interests of football teams  ;) French cities are most dangerous places in western Europe today.

Don't know anything about football, but I know there are only a handful of football players, whereas in the French newspapers I've read, they say there are 5 millions people looking for work in the country. Pity the immigrants haven't read those same newspapers.

From what I have heard, France is not a very friendly place for the immigrants. Certain job advertisements sometimes indirectly give hint that only native French applicants are welcome. A large number of the immigrants (and their descendants) are migrating to other migrant-friendly nations such as the United Kingdom as a result of this.

UK is too resistant to take them at all. Italy has already stated that its facing a battle with these migrants and has asked the EU to take action (Military action)
All these poor migrants are doing is to run away from war and poverty. Who wouldn't run? I pray for their souls.

Actually I rarely heard or read news about France economy or government except football and Hebdo shooting incident since the world medias didn't too expose the country economy system. I was thinking the immigrants that got job in France would help the other immigrants to get one too, and it could be a chain for them to help another immigrants.

If these people have been granted political asylum then they should be distributed across the EU.
Anyone who has been to Italian cities recently will have noticed large groups of African men drifting through the street with no source of income other than street selling. It is cruel to these people and even more so to Europeans because it fuels the far-right and threatens the integration of our continent.

Yes, since its forbidden by PC establishment to be honest and say directly: We want only natives. The market found its way around it. Nowadays advertisements read: Native speaker of language XY or send photo along with your CV - people looking exotic are of course at disadvantage. They would be anyway, though. Anywhere around the planet. Just in multicultural Europe, they cant be said so directly. Lets call it progress.

While your position is reasonable, it is wrong on couple of points.

- The current crisis emerged, because people, who were not granted anything are moving freely in the EU. Thats right, those large groups of african men are illegals, breaking the law by their mere presense, but authorities are turning blind eye. We are not talking here about Gastarbeiters or even real asylum seekers, majority of these people are neither. They are crudely said human payload, that was transported by smugglers. Nothing more.

- Binding quota wont diminish emergence of the far right (its not solving the reason for crisis at all, anyway) in Italy, it will greatly strengthen it all around rest of Europe, though. Locals DO NOTICE, that newcomers are much better off, than local pensioners, despite having absolutely no role in sustaining welfare system, security, healthcare or any of the rest of public service.

Just yersteday I have read local pro-government (meaning pro-immigration) magazine, that published cry worthy story about poor Kosovo albanian man migrating to Germany. Even, if I did forget, that Kosovo itself is illegal state created through NATO intervention... I still had to deal with the fact, that "poor Albanian" had to leave behing his family to survive himself by taking fucking taxi into EU. Obviously, he will be great addition to work force.

A large number of North African immigrants have changed their names to French-sounding ones in France, and that is the reason why most of the recruiters have made it mandatory to have a color photograph in the CV. But still, some of the North African immigrants from the Maghreb (especially those with Berber blood) look more or less European, so it is quite difficult to distinguish them.

I really agree with you and I'm sad that France suspended the Schengen treaty because all of us can talk about free circulation of goods and people in Europe when there aren't problems, but when we have to face an emergency (Migrant crisis) all the countries think for themselves. So we are an united Europe or not? Are we able to face this bad problem together? I think the only solution is to put army at borders and reject them in their country if no one collaborates.

Yes. The only solution is to reject them and send them back to where they came from (Libya). But the European human rights group will go ballistic at such as proposal, and will oppose it tooth and nail. As second option is to inter them in some remote island within Europe (Lampedusa?), but this proposal will also get a lot of flak.

Interactive Map (Click to Launch): Migration journeys to the European Union

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The Schengen Area was designed for skilled and smart West-European workers. Bulgaria and Romania are not in it very precisely because their people have less skills (and are less smart) than their western neighbors. So African migrants have no rights to get in. That has never been the plan.

I'm sorry but this is wrong, The Schengen area was designed to allow the free movement of goods and people without any restraint, and to push further for an integrated EU.

There is no such thing as an illegal human being. All borders are a crime against all humanity.

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In that case you wont mind if I move into your garage and use your utilities.

Perhaps, you should read Shengen treaty (for the first time in your life, I am sure), its designed to ease trans-border movement among european states, who are its signatories, not to invite rest of the planet to swedish table.

Since fringe member states of the treaty are unable to protect the area from foreign incursions, any legal binds to ukeep Shengen by other member states are efectivelly null. Its just matter of tax payers patience. Camels back will eventually break.


Why dont you move to Ghana then, you little hypocrite?  :)

Bulgaria and Romania are part of the European Union, and therefore you can't compare the Mediterranean immigrants to nationals from these nations. And moreover, these two countries are having cultural norms more compatible with the remaining countries of the European Union, unlike those third world immigrants from Liberia and Gambia.

That's the European Union form 1957 which was created and designed to allow the free movement of goods and people. The Schengen area is a very different thing. It certainly helps to make movements even easier than ever before inside the area, but the main goal (much less talked about) was to make the borders of the area stronger. The EU has paid big money to build fences, barriers and checkpoints.

The problem, which few people had seen coming, is the sudden arrival of thousands of refugees in boats, straight into the Schengen area, bypassing all checkpoints.

Countryfree,

I respectfully disagree. If authorities are indeed shocked, it is by massive (yet, still pasive) resistance from natives, not by human waves from south.

All of sudden, millions of "refugees" knocking in all over the borders and meanwhile turkish NGO is making pretty good profit from providing guides into social welfare system of various euro countries. I dont believe at all, that this is spontaneous or coincidental.

Somebody is hellbent on turning western Europe into third world shithole and those migrants sure as hell have neither capital, nor organization or common ideological ground to pull it off.

http://w2eu.info/

Not only Western Europe, the North America, Oceania (Australia and New Zealand), as well as countries in the Eastern Europe (Macedonia, Montenegro.etc) are witnessing unprecedented changes in their demographic makeup. A few countries in the East are still resisting the trend, such as Poland and Lithuania. But soon these countries will also change, as they are forced to accept hundreds of thousands of Sub-Saharans.

One way for leaders to achieve increased control over their citizens would be to introduce a problem then provide a solution.  If a majority of 'natives' of a country feel threatened by newcomers and have no realistic alternatives for 'protection' than the state, that's what they will choose.  This could take the form of increased surveillance of society generally and an increase in the number and capabilities of state sponsored paramilitary assets.

I wonder if this is not one of the main driving forces behind the push to control guns in private hands here in the U.S.  The more people feel confident that they can protect themselves, the less inclined they are to rely on the state for various kinds of protection.

As best I can tell from afar (sitting here on the West coast of the U.S.) it seems that Western Europe is a lot farther along the path to centralization and that planning and directing these population movements is handled mostly from Brussels.  It's an interesting thing to watch.  I'll be paying closer attention to the phenomenon.

You are both right, not that I am conspiracy theorist but this smells way too bad. Also good for BRIC countries to have sane leaders, future is theirs.

Today, Hungary closed down its border indefinitely for all undocumented visitors (European asylum policy was suspended). Last year country of 10 million in eastern Europe had to accept and feed 43 000 "refugees" (one refugee cost tax payer 1500 euro/month to sustain, "refugees" dont work). Earlier in june Austria stopped processing all new asylum demands. Federal states of Germany effectively restarted controls at borders.

Shengen is dying and rightfully so. EUs policy endangered citizens it was supposed to protect in the very first place. Even I am suprised how quickly this escalates.

In other news: Austria, Serbia and Hungary started shared border control on Serbian-Macedonian border. Every day 1000 new "refugees" try to cross it. Sustaining even one in EU compliant way costs tax payer 1500 euro/month.

What resistance from natives? I've never seen that. In Calais, I've seen French people giving food and medical care to migrants. You can see them at work everyday. Yes, they are natives complaining, but I've never seen nor heard about a demonstration against the migrants. It's all silent.



Brussels has yet to answer to the problems of these thousands of migrants who arrive every week. Ask anyone in Italy, he'll say the EU doesn't do anything, and that is correct. It is member states, Hungary beefing up its borders, France blocking the migrants in Ventimiglia, who act, leaving all the burden to countries on the Southern side, Italy or Greece.

Regarding protection, it isn't the issue here. There's about 40 millions people unemployed in EU. Many locals just wonder what will the migrants do if they're allowed to get in? This as a time where most countries are running a deficit.

As I say, it seems to me a reasonable hypothesis that Brussels does not see the issue as a 'problem' in the way that the locals do.  The hypothesis continues that the 'solution' would be a general beefing up of state controlled domestic surveillance and paramilitary capabilities which are, of course, fairly easily moved from one task to another.  From what I read here across the pond it seems that this is occurring here and there.  It would be counter-productive for Brussels to comment on this if they do consider it a 'solution'.

Countryfree, 92% of my compatriots (Czechs) refused quota in public poll, despite nonstop guilt trip by local media. Last weekend 10 000 people demonstrated in Slovakia against further islamization of Europe, only 200 antifa members showed up to counter them.

In places such Austria, Hungary or southern Germany no demonstrations are needed as officials reflect on interests of their taxpayers.

Italy is border state, it recieves euro funds even from poorer member states just to protect Shengen zone. It doesnt do so. What it does instead is supporting refugee bussiness for its mafia. There is no higher power forcing Italians to take the rest of the world in, in that case, it might be better to build fence around Italy and wish them good luck.

80 million people every year are born into poverty. Right now, only about millions illegals plus million legal migrants are moving into EU and the system is already cracking. Can you do the math? Because I can. Guilt trip of western white man wont save the world, but it sure can get his family killed.

This isn't a "migration." It's an INVASION and
This isn't a problem that appeared over the last few years

So, if this in INVASION, as you called it, what is the solution then?
Raise a new wall in Europe, 25 years after the Berlin Wall fell, just as Hungary is planning to do now?
Maybe leave all these people to simply drown in the Mediterranean without the help and food?
Are not in the past millions of immigrants from Europe went to America and contributed to the growth and development of their new homeland, America?
Doesn't Europe began to age, the population is decreasing and fewer couples have children, and we see an increasing shortage of labor?
If so, why we can't give chance to these poor people from Africa for a new life?

Daniel,
you are emotional and question of national security should never be subject to emotions.

- Walls make good neighbours, not pleas.

- If those "refugees" got 10 000 dollars for smugglers and organized crime, then they have more than enough to feed themselves.

- Immigration to Americas? Well, ask all those Indians how that "enrichment" worked for them, why dont you?

- Europe is indeed aging as it is ruled by emotional, weak willed impotents, not hard working people, who made it stand out in the first place. How are migrants with no documents are language ability supposed to turn it around, I dont know. 91% Eritreans admitted into Switzerland stay on welfare system, so actualy you are wrong. Admitting these mean suckers (who often drown each other already at the sea for ethnic and religious reason) endangers Europes weakest - poor, old, women and manually working by draining public budgets and infrastructure further. Being charitable in this case means being inhuman to your own compatriots.

In fact, try to find calculator.

1 000 000 a x 18 000 b = c

A, number of illegals, that will enter Europe only in this year (previous ones are discounted for purposes of this example).
B, number of euros you will need to sustain every single one of them for one year.
C, money it takes to sustain 2015 newcomers for another 12 months.

Every migrant needs healthcare, increased security measures, housing, clothing and warm food three times a day. He will also retire or fall ill regardless, if he ever payed taxes in Europe or not.

- There are 2 000 000 000 (two billion) people around the world living under poverty line. Telling them, that 250 million of Europeans (those that work) will take care of not only themselves and their families but also for them, the foreign poor, no strings attached, is not just false, it is irresponsible and downright cruel. It is this utopic nonsense in the first place, that motivates current migrants into joining organized crime and risk their lives crossing the sea. To enter continent where nobody has any real use for them.

- Newcomers, who break the law already during crossing the borders dont deserve chance at "new life", you are only saying to both them and your own people, that it is okay to be criminal, if you belong to the right social or racial group.

EDIT: I am not against helping endangered and poor, quite the opposite, I wouldnt care about Europeans then also. I am for SOLUTION. And solutions start with solving the causes of problems, not symptoms (migrants). Helping in their home countries is good idea. Propagating anticonception is yet another good idea.

If US thinks, it can sort out all these problems such as the refugees from Myanmar recently crossed their borders to get Asylum in Indonesia, United states can make the Myanmar government fear with the whip of one strong sanctions, which will force the Myanmar government to treat the Rohingya people kindly and give their citizen rights which they are deemed deserved.

WTF do you think the US is?

Myanmar is a sovereign country, and it has every right to exercise its sovereignty, unlike the American vassals in the Europe such as the United Kingdom and Germany. The Rohingya people are illegal immigrants from Bangladesh, and it is not the responsibility of the Burmese people or the government there to feed and clothe them. 

Reason I found through search that 850 migrants are thought to have drowned this weekend —European officials scrambling to address the crisis at what is being called the world’s “deadliest border crossing.”  :-X
It immigration and human-rights advocates argue that addressing the crisis will require Europe to look beyond its watery border and the people who seek to ferry refugees across it. :( :)

The solution is very simple, and I don't know why the European Union is not interested in implementing it. Just send a few thousand NATO forces to the major Libyan and Tunisian ports. Take control of the ports, and destroy all the ferries and boats owned by the human smugglers. Never allow any refugee to board on a boat or ferry.

Bryant, you must be American  :) you have no idea how small-minded people on the continent can be, couple that with sense of false solidarity and equality (multiculturalism) and you´ve got bona fide bordello.

A demonstration of native Europeans against illegal immigrants! I guess Slovakia has a future. Such a thing would be unthinkable in richer western countries, there would be more "antifas" than demonstrators.

The things are not easy for Italy as European law prevents it from sending the immigrants back to Africa. It's easy to stop people at a border on land, but it's not on sea when they come on a sinking ship. You save them or you let them die, but this second option makes you a bad guy on the evening news.



This idea certainly looks good on paper, but it would be a major operation to take control of all ports in Lybia. With a serious risk of casualties for NATO troops.

There will be some NATO casualties for sure, if the rebel groups (especially the Islamic State) engages them. But since the NATO is a superior fighting force, they will be able to pull off this operation with minimal losses. The rebel groups are fighting against each other, and this has made them very weak, in terms of manpower and equipment.

Any loss of life makes terrible news. In EU or US, nobody cares about the death of a Palestinian or a Syrian, but the death of a western soldier immediately makes headlines, and that's bad. You see the opposition asking about the reasons behind the sending of the troops, and calls to bring the boys home. I'm afraid no government from a leading NATO country is ready to accept that.

Well Countryfree,

you nailed it. It is political problem. Any midsized european country had resources to administer north Africa century ago. Yet current day degenerates are terrified of commitment. Hell, already in Somalia in early nineties, Americans won respectable military victory in Mogadishu. Yet, they lost 19 (!) men so it was considered as a debacle by the media. I mean, what the fuck?

Many more Europeans will die, if the current migrant stream doesnt stop, yet Europe is unwilling to commit itself to solution. It has all the tools, but lacks will to use them. You could call it dusk of democracy.

In that case, they could arm some of the local militias against the human traffickers, and seize the ports through them. (Just like the Kurds fighting against the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq). But the problem is that NATO always ends up supporting the wrong people, and these people will just take up the Western weapons, and then join the Islamic State.


Send in the Americans if the Europeans are so scared of fighting.  ;D

Well Bryant, you just answered yourself  ;D NATO is United States and its satellites. So, pleading to US will solve nothing, as they bear significant responsibility for toppling of regimes, which were holding the tsunami back. See also Arab Spring.