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Title: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 20, 2015, 02:55:20 PM Hello,
Yes everyone knows about the instamine and is tired of hearing about it. But the Darkcoin scam goes much deeper than that. Their modus operandi goes something like this: A crypto user has a concern about darkcoin and brings it up on the thread. The darkcoin community responds with lies because the truth makes them look bad and proves they're a scam. When called out on their lies, the darkcoin community launches personal attacks and brings up irrelevant topics as a distraction, or just ignores it altogether. So this thread is a place to keep all the documented lies from Darkcoin and their lying community. Title: Re: The perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" thread Post by: othe on November 20, 2015, 02:57:41 PM Ok here are two:
~2 months (XMR "cripple mine" ~7% of the current supply + spend $250k in mining costs) vs 1-2 days (DASH to instamine 33% of the total current Dash supply + ~$1000 in cloud mining etc for 2 days) ::) Yes Monero is such a "scam". :D well at least you admit the monero 7% cripplemine scam. DASH had a 10% instamine distribution bug but it turned out to be a feature. to try and minimize the cripplemine by using "current coin supply" is scammy and dishonest considering the highly hype inflationary monero emission curve where half the coins have already been mined in less than a year and a half, now that's what i call a instamine. if it wasn't for the DASH instamine bug then there would only be like 4 million DASH right now compared to the current 10 million plus monero instamine. :o and monero was launched months after DASH! OR HAI SCAMMER, you have been caught LYING AGAIN in the DASHTHREAD. Is this coin absolutely and fully anonymous ? which one is best ? Monero or Dash ? what are the advantages and disadvantages of each one ? Quote As far as I can tell, DASH has less anonymity than Monero because DASH mixes in masternodes. if nobody can deanonymize DASH what difference does it make? that's like entering a tank in a NASCAR race and thinking it's going to win because the tank is more resistant to crashes. the trade off is a non legacy compliant unscalable already bloated blockchain, the little extra anon (pre evolution) is not worth the huge trade off. plus the lack of any real anonymity has not hurt bitcoin's market-cap as of yet. Quote As long as the mixing isn't decentralized at protocol level (as promised), this will be the case. by that strict interpretation aren't all cryptocoins centralized? if dash was centralized one person could deanonymize dash or push a button and shut it down, that's not the case. Quote On the other hand, DASH offers way more than only anonymity and has at the moment a better exposure. So I decided to invest in both and watch it play out for the moment. the market agrees. i expect monero to keep getting pushed down until a year from now it will be lucky to be in the top 20. if a solid zerocash implementation is released then it's lights out for monero/cryptonote. just ask fluffypony, he'll tell you that and he is fully expecting it happen at some point. https://i.imgur.com/naLJ42e.png monero just has too many issues and is way to risky for me to invest in. i just picked up two new masternodes and did not even consider monero, ethereum looks pretty interesting though so i may diversify a bit into that. Mastermined is spreading lies again with out of context screenshots, nice job, i hope the other dashers are proud to have someone like you, clearly shows what the dash community is about. You think you are good at twisting words, but you are just a miserably little lying scumbag. Oh so great to even use a 241 day old discussion you started with spreading shit on reddit, you sir are a true internet hero and the more you speak the more shady looks all this dash stuff, so let´s speak a bit more here :-) Here´s the full text, everyone can read it themselves here: https://m.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/301r4e/crypto_primitive_shorter_than_current_monero_ring/ "if a solid zerocash implementation is released then it's lights out for monero/cryptonote. just ask fluffypony, he'll tell you that and he is fully expecting it happen at some point. " - in fact he said the opposite. https://www.evernote.com/shard/s528/sh/9ba0c45d-9818-497e-8a70-9595a951af59/5e3ea6e7784140db/res/ac81da8b-cb37-4616-8b4d-f08acf32735a/skitch.png?resizeSmall&width=832 Here are some more lies from your fellow community member the MasterMined710 Scammer. ... lastly, monero was launched about 3 months after DASH yet it already has almost twice the amount of coins mined. seems like a highly inflationary ongoing instamine that gives an unfair advantage to those early miners. my conclusion, there has never been a coin with a perfect launch including bitcoin. There's perfect, there's scam, and everything in between. Monero is a helluva lot closer to perfect than DASH/Darkcoin/Xcoin could every hope to be. You can look on the block explorer and see the amount of coins emitted at any block. For instance, by block 20000 ( http://moneroblocks.eu/search/20000 ), mined on May 1st, the total number of emitted coins was about 350k or about 3.5% of the total coins that exist today. So, 3.5% of the coins that exist were mined during the period of the crippled miner when a few folks (such as DGA, who is not a member of the development team) were mining with optimized miners. Around May 1st the optimized miner was made public by NoodleDoodle and other members of the actual dev-team that took over the coin from TFT. Compare that with DASH, where around 1/3 of the coins that exist today were mined in the first 48 hours or so, and I think it's pretty plain to see which coin had the more fair launch. (This is not to mention the fact that there was zero windows clients and a promise to relaunch made by the Xcoin developer, while hundreds of AWS and DO nodes mined away). 33% of available coins mined in 2 days, or 3% of available coins mined in a few weeks - I don't think it's much of a comparison. (This is also not to mention the fact that DASH/Darkcoin/Xcoin switched to a quasi-PoS system after their botched launch, allowing large holders to just sit on their coins and grow them, which is obviously not the case for Monero, which is pure PoW, where owning a chunk of coin doesn't allow one to do anything but dump it on an exchange.) Top post jwinterm. Facts, not FUD. Thank you for digging this post up. Mastermined can now come back and try to spin things to death about the "scam" that has happened with Monero when clearly Dash is no saint and in fact likely is the equivalent of the devil's favorite demon coin with shady launches, broken PoW algorithm, rebranding to distance itself from its shady past, and the addition of quasi-PoS system etc.. Because this thread is done by the dashtarded scam army who have exposed multiple times of scamming and lying here, for example: Vitalik just posted in /r/ethereum -- Guess who's now in the firing line now for being low tech' :D https://i.imgur.com/Tfj6KkD.png (https://np.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3taxu3/early_alpha_monerolike_linkable_ring_signatures/) (Thats what you get for calling Monero a 'real premine sacm'). https://i.imgur.com/zSErCyU.png (https://plus.google.com/+VitalikButerin0/posts/GqFWPU2C8GT) https://i.imgur.com/mNkYarI.png Never mind. It's all in a good cause (we hope). Mudpies on stun and chickenwire at the ready. Hey fucktard, why don´t you show the world the whole discussion? Because it doesn´t fit your fucktarded dash scam propaganda? https://i.imgur.com/Ru0QLQj.png Or what about this one? https://www.evernote.com/shard/s528/sh/7cf443ed-83d6-4b74-abc3-0f0d78c3fbaa/4abe3cbb451099b3/res/a105d76f-5b94-4c1b-86d3-cddb41112fe1/skitch.png Dashtards, even too stupid to lie; unbelieveable.... Eat shit scumbags. 7) There is no centralized point of failure, unlike in DASH. surly you are not talking about the decentralized masternode network. Evan Duffield. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor Ripping text out of context and faking screenshots, cutting off sentences from the rest of the discussions etc. A usual distraction tactic of scammers. Title: Re: The perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 20, 2015, 02:59:30 PM Fine, I grant you it's not CERTAIN that Evan got a shitton of coins. It's still LIKELY given the circumstances. What really made me WTF in your post is the "changing mind" thing about the emission schedule. That should not be changed lightly, if at all - you should know this. This was something that was voted on. I didn't like the idea myself, and argued against it. But the community was over 95% for it, so it was done. Another instance of Evan coming to the community for guidance. And there initially was no limit technically to the number of coins to be produced. The way the number of coins was limited was by reducing the emissions by 7% per year. Otherwise we kept the same setup. This calculates over the next 100 or so years as halving. Also, Evan's initial estimates on how many coins would be produced assumed a lower hash rate (that it would never get so high as to hug the minimum reward). So where is the vote? Where is TanteStefana2 getting 95% from? Title: Re: The perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" thread Post by: othe on November 20, 2015, 03:03:39 PM Next one, from the same dude:
Um, masternodes will always do the mixing. Only now they will do it in quorums. this is new information... This is a quote from Evan Duffield "This system doesn't mix on masternodes at all. It's done on a protocol level. And so, we actually don't like that we are mixing on masternodes and I wanted to remove that for a long time and I finally figuered out how to do it." (https://youtu.be/x5sNx7SMTP8?t=2m7s) So masternodes will still be used for mixing? This is a disappointment, I must admit :-\ I don't remember this. I'm just working it out with what we're given. Still, I'd think this would be an excellent solution. No need to wait for blocks, how ever many MNs you have, is essentially the number of rounds. Seems logical to me. Maybe there is another way? I sure hope it won't be something that obscures the blockchain like Monero. I don't like something I can't check on. I did study monero a bit and I don't see an issue with the 'obscure blockchain'... The ring signatures are based on tested crypto, this ensures that all outputs are valid and the network has a mechanism that is double spend proof. The mixing on masternodes is a weak point in my opinion. It is just bad for anonymity. Currently I own 200 DASH and 1000 XMR. Still not sure what to do: *DASH has better market cap and support, but I don't really like the mixing system. Also additional features I think are interesting like instantX I like, although I would like to see some external crypto-expert checking if it's safe and can scale. *XMR has better mixing tech, but I have no clue why the community and market cap seems so small. I also like the stealth addresses... You only need one account. It's better than a HD wallet because change transactions can't be linked. My initial plan to buy a masternode is postponed until I see some external validation of DASH tech and the details of Evolution. If DASH would go sub 0.005 BTC, I'll probably double down on my current position. This will also happen for XMR if it drops below 0.001 BTC. I'll probably bet on both for now. If one or the other clearly becomes the leading anonymous currency, I'll sell the one and buy the other. For me, if I can't figure out where a transaction is, if it's been duplicated, if it's really working. If there is no way to double check it - especially a way I can understand, it's not for me. I don't like the complexity. I seriously don't trust it, and I don't know if someone holds the key to the encryption either. You have to completely trust the person who set the ball in motion. And frankly, that person turned out to be a scammer. Or perhaps they were a government spy network? How can anyone trust it? Why do you have to trust such a centralized point of failure? It's not for me. There is no "key to encryption", you are confusing monero with zerocash. That guy has clearly no idea how Monero works, or Bitcoin in general: 1) there is no "masterkey" for cryptonote, every user generates his own keys, exactly like bitcoin 2) There is a way to doublecheck, everything is on the blockchain, there is no way to create coins out of thin air etc. without directly seeing it! 3) You don´t like the complexity? It´s all known math, just cleverly combined, you don´t have to trust anyone but maybe you trust gmaxwell aka nullc when he says stuff like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7765455 4) As already said, no one set the ball in motion, there is no key for everything like it is in Zerocoin. 5) Government spy network? CN uses Curve25519 from DJB, you can´t get more away from the NSA than DJB https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States 6) You don´t trust persons, you trust the math which has been reviewed multiple times included by bitcoin core devs, if you can´t turst a bitcoin core dev you should leave the cryptocurrency space i guess. 7) There is no centralized point of failure, unlike in DASH. Did you already known the mooneromasterkeys? Lying with purpose or just total stupidity? hard to say. Title: Re: The perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" thread Post by: onemorexmr on November 20, 2015, 03:11:05 PM one of my favorites is Evan Duffield saying that Darkcoin (=Dash) will go up and he wants to buy more
but...at the same time... selling lots of them OTC Title: Re: The perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" thread Post by: illodin on November 20, 2015, 03:11:54 PM Just because Monero isn't going anywhere doesn't mean DASH is a scam.
Title: Re: The perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" thread Post by: onemorexmr on November 20, 2015, 03:19:41 PM Just because Monero isn't going anywhere doesn't mean DASH is a scam. thats right. dash beeing a scam is totally unrelated to monero. so please stay on topic ;-) Title: Re: The perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" thread Post by: aleix on November 20, 2015, 03:27:09 PM And..... Oh surprise! Another Monero bagholders thread about DASH!
You are so desperate, it's unbelievable, try to pretend guys ;) Title: Re: The perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 20, 2015, 03:48:24 PM Just because Monero isn't going anywhere doesn't mean DASH is a scam. And..... Oh surprise! Another Monero bagholders thread about DASH! You are so desperate, it's unbelievable, try to pretend guys ;) illodin and aleix, 2 of the biggest Darkcoin bagholders and lying defenders. So where's the vote guys? Are you saying there wasn't one? Seems you're just distracting to irrelevant topics again. If there was no vote, why is tantestefana2 saying there was? Fine, I grant you it's not CERTAIN that Evan got a shitton of coins. It's still LIKELY given the circumstances. What really made me WTF in your post is the "changing mind" thing about the emission schedule. That should not be changed lightly, if at all - you should know this. This was something that was voted on. I didn't like the idea myself, and argued against it. But the community was over 95% for it, so it was done. Another instance of Evan coming to the community for guidance. And there initially was no limit technically to the number of coins to be produced. The way the number of coins was limited was by reducing the emissions by 7% per year. Otherwise we kept the same setup. This calculates over the next 100 or so years as halving. Also, Evan's initial estimates on how many coins would be produced assumed a lower hash rate (that it would never get so high as to hug the minimum reward). Dash :( Title: Re: The perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" thread Post by: illodin on November 20, 2015, 04:28:17 PM Just because Monero isn't going anywhere doesn't mean DASH is a scam. illodin ... lying ... Is there a lie somewhere what I said? Title: Re: The perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" thread Post by: aleix on November 20, 2015, 04:39:06 PM Just because Monero isn't going anywhere doesn't mean DASH is a scam. illodin ... lying ... Is there a lie somewhere what I said? Please, Illodin, don't feed this pathetic thread. Title: Re: The perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 20, 2015, 05:03:03 PM Please let the thread die :( Sorry you think demanding accountability is pathetic aleix. You should look up the word perpetual. Title: Re: The perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" thread Post by: worhiper_-_ on November 20, 2015, 05:09:54 PM Every once in a while I see a thread like this and I just don't get what's the catch. people bashing dash (mostly seem to be newly created accounts yet) have a perfect understanding of the inner working of the community and crypto culture, and then there's the people defending dash. To me, it seems natural why people invested in an asset would want to defend it, but really, why are some people so persistent about trying to damage the reputation of dash? Throughout all my time in this forum, I've never seen another coin receive so much backlash, do people do this out of spite? Do they gain something out of this?
Title: Re: The perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" thread Post by: illodin on November 20, 2015, 05:12:51 PM why are some people so persistent about trying to damage the reputation of dash? Throughout all my time in this forum, I've never seen another coin receive so much backlash, do people do this out of spite? Do they gain something out of this? Hi there, that is a good question. Let me answer that one for you: they think DASH is the reason why Monero isn't going anywhere and are angry. Title: Re: The perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" thread Post by: onemorexmr on November 20, 2015, 05:16:43 PM why are some people so persistent about trying to damage the reputation of dash? Throughout all my time in this forum, I've never seen another coin receive so much backlash, do people do this out of spite? Do they gain something out of this? Hi there, that is a good question. Let me answer that one for you: they think DASH is the reason why Monero isn't going anywhere and are angry. for me thats not true. i have bashed dash before i saw monero. i just got a little tired the last year repeating myself so i stopped...i just hate scams and this is what makes me angry about dash. nothing more or less... Title: Re: The perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 20, 2015, 06:58:15 PM Every once in a while I see a thread like this and I just don't get what's the catch. people bashing dash (mostly seem to be newly created accounts yet) have a perfect understanding of the inner working of the community and crypto culture, and then there's the people defending dash. To me, it seems natural why people invested in an asset would want to defend it, but really, why are some people so persistent about trying to damage the reputation of dash? Throughout all my time in this forum, I've never seen another coin receive so much backlash, do people do this out of spite? Do they gain something out of this? The reason i created this thread was because of the constant lies on the DASH thread. When call out on their lies, they simply don't bother responding until the topic is buried. They just spam the thread with useless responses for a while like the number of masternodes until it's a few pages back and forgotten. A few days later, they'll continue to repeat the same lies. So this thread serves a useful purpose to keep track of the Dash community and their constant, systematic lies. Title: Re: The perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" thread Post by: generalizethis on November 20, 2015, 07:51:37 PM From the Dash Announcement page: "Dash has no premine and was fairly and transparently launched"
You mean fairly as in 30% in a day with no windows option to mine and a start time when most were going to bed after a failed launch? You mean no premine as in no premine effects giving a few in the know an advantage? Or do you mean technically they weren't mined before the launch so we can get away with the advertising even though most people who want to avoid a premine also want to avoid an instamine? You mean transparent as in not putting the instamine on your announcement page? One sentence and you have DASH in nutshell. But I can do it in two words: Buyer Beware. Title: Re: The perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" thread Post by: iCEBREAKER on November 20, 2015, 08:57:07 PM Peter Todd calls dash "snake oil." (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1126927.0)
Peter Todd calls dash's instant-x fake. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1128572.0) Peter Todd calls dash "bad crypto." (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1129446.0) To quote Peter Todd, DASH's InstantX is "a copy of GreenAddress in the same way a cargo cult's bamboo runway is a copy." I expect DASH's Evolusham will be a copy of Ethereum in the same way a cargo cult's bamboo airplane is a copy. lol rekt Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 20, 2015, 11:10:13 PM Lying to the crypto community since 2014
https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FCrKgFUU.png%26t%3D558%26c%3DwIafCe0orftyig%26t%3D558%26c%3DPEfcO0-b_01ncQ&t=558&c=7NbLdrB6Tid3DQ "0.0000000% pre-mined" ... are these guys kidding? Sadly no, they really are this full of shit. Dash :( Title: Re: The perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" thread Post by: smoothie on November 21, 2015, 12:20:59 AM Every once in a while I see a thread like this and I just don't get what's the catch. people bashing dash (mostly seem to be newly created accounts yet) have a perfect understanding of the inner working of the community and crypto culture, and then there's the people defending dash. To me, it seems natural why people invested in an asset would want to defend it, but really, why are some people so persistent about trying to damage the reputation of dash? Throughout all my time in this forum, I've never seen another coin receive so much backlash, do people do this out of spite? Do they gain something out of this? Search "Coinhunter" or "RealSolid" or "Solidcoin" and you will find very same similarities to the scam type shady behavior of the Dash supporters as the Solidcoin supporters a few years back...history repeating itself. Title: Re: The perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" thread Post by: smoothie on November 21, 2015, 12:24:15 AM why are some people so persistent about trying to damage the reputation of dash? Throughout all my time in this forum, I've never seen another coin receive so much backlash, do people do this out of spite? Do they gain something out of this? Hi there, that is a good question. Let me answer that one for you: they think DASH is the reason why Monero isn't going anywhere and are angry. Wrong. Here you go on your presumptions. I'm not even heavily invested in Monero. Even if I was, outing a shady coin and its actions as a community and its developer is what some of us have done on this forum for years and has nothing to do with the SUCCESS or FAILURE of another coin. Look up SOLIDCOIN/COINHUNTER/REALSOLID/Butterflylabs/PirateAt40/...the list goes on... My calling out Dash on its shady actions as a community and launch etc (and its developer) has nothing to do with Monero. It is quite funny how many of your own community members end up retorting by pointing the finger at Monero as if Monero is a scam TO DEFLECT ATTENTION AWAY FROM DASH AND ITS SHADY HISTORY. This is not about Monero going nowhere. This is about calling out DASH for what it is and to shine light on what has been swept under the rug or spun to appear to be something that Dash isn't. Let's take it one step further...i guess Charles Lee who spoke out against Dash/Darkcoin/whatever is also "butthurt" because Monero is not going anywhere? You see the logic fail there? lol ^ Title: Re: The perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" thread Post by: iCEBREAKER on November 21, 2015, 09:37:53 AM Just because Monero isn't going anywhere doesn't mean DASH is a scam. illodin ... lying ... Is there a lie somewhere what I said? Please, Illodin, don't feed this pathetic thread. Thanks for confirming you don't like this thread exposing your instamined HYIP scam. Your butthurt is very important to us! Here, let's have more fun with you silly cultists! I personally won't buy cloak because of the 7 day proof of work instamine. instamining Dash in 2-3 days is GOOD.... instamining Cloak for 7 days which is BAD :D Oops! Duffsplanations to ensue as soon as the compound responds to the attack-the-attacker alert! Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: obit33 on November 21, 2015, 02:07:06 PM What are you guys talking about, there's nothing wrong with Dash, Evan says so with strong arguments:
https://youtu.be/x5sNx7SMTP8?t=145
see, everything is fine... best regards Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 21, 2015, 02:18:20 PM What are you guys talking about, there's nothing wrong with Dash, Evan says so with strong arguments: https://youtu.be/x5sNx7SMTP8?t=145
see, everything is fine... best regards Lol painfully awkward Question at 2:26: "you said you launched the coin as Darkcoin, but that's not true. You launched the coin as X-coin" Evan: Mmhmm *nods* So here we have Evan caught in a lie and admitting to it on video. Dash :( Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: smoothie on November 21, 2015, 08:42:14 PM Lol painfully awkward What's painfully awkward is you desperately, desperately trying to discredit dash with silly threads like this. It's _hilarious_ the lengths you will go to. You spend time each and every day doing this. You actually do. Adam White :D What is painfully awkward is you desperately creating an account 10 days ago and expect people to take its input seriously on the topic of DASH and its scammy history. ::) Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 21, 2015, 09:41:51 PM I'm too embarrassed to use my real account for shitcoin defending and making baseless accusations against people i suspect of being other accounts :( Irony :( Dash :( Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 21, 2015, 10:08:37 PM No, let's discuss it. You registered a brand new Defender/troll account on November 11 because you're too ashamed to openly support DASH. reaktion :( Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: ridery99 on November 21, 2015, 10:17:17 PM DRK was a scam from the beginning why you even talk about it anymore
Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: iCEBREAKER on November 21, 2015, 10:19:27 PM [Duffsplanation] No, let's discuss it. You registered a brand new Defender/troll account on November 11 because you're too ashamed to openly support DASH. reaktion :( Let's make a list of known single-purpose Dash Defense Duffsplainers/Cheerleaders to facilitate an easy one-step ignoring process! If they want to talk to us, they can use their real accounts. instamine :-[ Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 21, 2015, 10:44:11 PM Here's another "DASH only" guy that registered a year ago, November 2014 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=391755
Lately his posts start with "As a Chinese Crypto Investor", when he hadn't really mentioned nationality ever before. Who talks like that? Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: iCEBREAKER on November 22, 2015, 01:02:12 PM Poor old Licey. If he's not sycophantically quoting Peter Todd for the 1000th time he's trying to get other XMR bag-holding circle-jerkers to play 'ignore-the-attacker'. He knows XMR is _losing_ and DASH is _winning_ - just look at the market cap that's always beaten the royal SHIT out of XMR and always will. Well, until XMR fades to black along with the handful of deluded fools on here who give any two shits about it. What then Licey, what then? Oooh instamine. Say something original and interesting. Go on I dare you. Your pump and dump dance would probably be more effective if you were less transparently dishonest in your approach. CoinJoin is trustless— which is orthogonal with centralized or decentralized, it could be implemented several ways (though trustlessness is usually a prerequisite to a decenteralized implementation). Post 5 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg2984051#msg2984051) in the CoinJoin thread writes in depth about implementing it in a decenteralized way, none of which appears to have been implemented by the darkcoin developers as far as I can tell— from what I've heard it seems that they're not even able to understand it. (This is a disappointment to me, since I was trying to describe these ideas clearly so others could understand them.) More amusingly, what DarkCoin does is highly centralized because the software is closed— you can't get more centralized than closed source. What the actual behavior is, is anyone's guess— it's impossible to review due to it being closed— though "masternodes" does not sound like something decenteralized, it sounds like something that creates a small chokepoint which could be used to deanonymize its users, like a server based CoinJoin but worse since you have to hold a huge pile of coins to run a server. From what I can tell the only purpose DarkCoin serves is to depress me about the state of humanity. https://i.imgur.com/XP4aO1v.png Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 22, 2015, 02:06:47 PM No, let's discuss it. You registered a brand new Defender/troll account on November 11 because you're too ashamed to openly support DASH. reaktion :( No you're wrong, I registered a new account after lurking here for two years. I hold a few coins, including DASH. You're attacking me without any response to the point made, e.g. that you have nothing new to say other than instamine/scam. You've said it hundreds of times. You're only doing it because you hold big XMR bags, or someone who does is paying you. It's tragic. Adam White :D The old "I've been lurking and just registered" excuse. A loud-mouth like yourself wouldn't have lurked for 2 years in the first place. What a coincidence that the first posts you make are ALL in the Dash thread, and are ALL in Defence of DASH. Not a single thing else in crypto was interesting enough to you in 2 years to create an account reaktion: excuse maker and scam defender extraordinaire. You created a fake account to defend DASH because you hold bags of it, someone is paying you, or you're too ashamed to support a shitcoin scam using your real account. Sorry you don't think scam instamining, lying and scamming in general is an interesting enough topic for you. No one is putting a gun to your head to click on my threads. reaktion :( Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 22, 2015, 02:16:08 PM The old "I've been lurking and just registered" excuse. A loud-mouth like yourself wouldn't have lurked for 2 years in the first place. What a coincidence that the first posts you make are ALL in the Dash thread, and are ALL in Defence of DASH. Not a single thing else in crypto was interesting enough to you in 2 years to create an account reaktion: excuse maker and scam defender extraordinaire. You created a fake account to defend DASH because you hold bags of it, someone is paying you, or you're too ashamed to support a shitcoin scam using your real account. Sorry you don't think scam instamining, lying and scamming in general is an interesting enough topic for you. No one is putting a gun to your head to click on my threads. reaktion :( No answer to the point. Just attack-the-attacker. Poor old Adam Shite. :D You keep saying the same things over and over again. Why do you do it? What is the point of you? Lay on the couch and tell me about your mother. Sounds like exactly what you're doing. You accuse people of the things you do yourself. Remind me again what your point is? Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 22, 2015, 02:24:48 PM Lol, well you're doing a fantastic service to your coin. Baseless accusations, attack-the-attacker, dedicated Dash Defender accounts. All par for the course for Dash and the majority of its supporters.
reaktion :( Dash :( Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 22, 2015, 03:25:38 PM Lol, you're entitled to that opinion i suppose.
Thanks for the feedback, i think i'll continue doing whatever I damn well please. reaktion :'( Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 22, 2015, 03:34:03 PM Yeah man, keep going, just keep right on going.... :D Ok :D Thanks, having the support of a dedicated shitcoin scam Defending account means a lot Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 22, 2015, 03:46:23 PM Thank you for bumping the thread and keeping it at the very top of the Altcoin section for Maximum Visibility. I'm beginning to think you support my message. Your services and support (albeit subtle) are very much appreciated. :D
Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 22, 2015, 04:06:26 PM Thank you for bumping the thread and keeping it at the very top of the Altcoin section for Maximum Visibility. I'm beginning to think you support my message. Your services and support (albeit subtle) are very much appreciated. :D Haha how pathetic. Instead of silly sarcasm, why not tell us why you keep making the same points over and over again? If not, then just stop, or by default everyone can assume you're an XMR bagholder, or paid shill/troll working to an agenda. Sorry you think pointing out deliberate scamming in crypto is pathetic. I feel differently, hence the thread. Your objections to the thread have been noted. Unfortunately, coming from someone who registered a dedicated Defending account 12 days ago just to talk shit, i consider them irrelevant. So sorry reaktion :'( Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 22, 2015, 04:26:25 PM Pointing out scamming is fine, but doing it over and over again in multiple threads is obviously shill/troll behaviour. You still haven't said why you are doing it, you just keep attacking the attacker. Sorry you don't agree with the frequency or the method in which i expose scams. With regard to the why: Because i feel like it. Do you always go around trying to censor things you don't like? You can consider it an attack if you think it helps your argument. Anyone can verify your account was opened 12 days ago, and a quick look at your post history confirms the rest. Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 22, 2015, 04:45:15 PM Pointing out scamming is fine, but doing it over and over again in multiple threads is obviously shill/troll behaviour. You still haven't said why you are doing it, you just keep attacking the attacker. Sorry you don't agree with the frequency or the method in which i expose scams. With regard to the why: Because i feel like it. Do you always go around trying to censor things you don't like? You can consider it an attack if you think it helps your argument. Anyone can verify your account was opened 12 days ago, and a quick look at your post history confirms the rest. You feel like it? Hahahahaha what a crock of shit. Show us all the other scams you've exposed then. Show us the benevolent work you do elsewhere. You can't, becuase you don't, because you're only here to save your heavy XMR bags, or get paid to do it for someone else. What a fucking parasite. Look who's not answering questions and attacking the attacker now? reaktion the little bitch who throws tantrums when things don't go his way :( Some of the other scams i'm attacking: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1240283 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1247891.msg12972916#msg12972916 Please cry harder that i'm exposing your favorite scam Darkcoin reaktion :( Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 22, 2015, 09:00:16 PM Sorry Adam, a couple of posts in other threads don't balance your massively disproportionate attention to DASH. You're a pathetic bagholder/shill/troll. Sure they do. DASH has a higher market cap, not to mention the Dash scammers are actually audacious enough to market themselves as "a direct competitor to Bitcoin" lol. Thus, they certainly do merit the additional attention. I probably shouldn't even be wasting my time on anything EXCEPT Dash/Darkcoin. Thanks for helping me realize this. Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: TaoOfSaatoshi on November 23, 2015, 05:47:19 AM This thread should be renamed "CryptoMania 1: DrkLvr_ vs. reaktion", coz you 2 the only dudes here now...
Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: generalizethis on November 23, 2015, 06:24:54 AM Poor old Licey. If he's not sycophantically quoting Peter Todd for the 1000th time he's trying to get other XMR bag-holding circle-jerkers to play 'ignore-the-attacker'. He knows XMR is _losing_ and DASH is _winning_ - just look at the market cap that's always beaten the royal SHIT out of XMR and always will. Well, until XMR fades to black along with the handful of deluded fools on here who give any two shits about it. What then Licey, what then? Oooh instamine. Say something original and interesting. Go on I dare you. Your pump and dump dance would probably be more effective if you were less transparently dishonest in your approach. CoinJoin is trustless— which is orthogonal with centralized or decentralized, it could be implemented several ways (though trustlessness is usually a prerequisite to a decenteralized implementation). Post 5 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg2984051#msg2984051) in the CoinJoin thread writes in depth about implementing it in a decenteralized way, none of which appears to have been implemented by the darkcoin developers as far as I can tell— from what I've heard it seems that they're not even able to understand it. (This is a disappointment to me, since I was trying to describe these ideas clearly so others could understand them.) More amusingly, what DarkCoin does is highly centralized because the software is closed— you can't get more centralized than closed source. What the actual behavior is, is anyone's guess— it's impossible to review due to it being closed— though "masternodes" does not sound like something decenteralized, it sounds like something that creates a small chokepoint which could be used to deanonymize its users, like a server based CoinJoin but worse since you have to hold a huge pile of coins to run a server. From what I can tell the only purpose DarkCoin serves is to depress me about the state of humanity. https://i.imgur.com/XP4aO1v.png So the creator of Litecoin has explained how dash is crap, Peter Todd has explained how dash is crap and Greg Maxwell has explained how dash is crap, can we agree that the only ones dumb (or dishonest) enough to state otherwise are those holding dashbags? Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: smoothie on November 23, 2015, 06:39:10 AM Poor old Licey. If he's not sycophantically quoting Peter Todd for the 1000th time he's trying to get other XMR bag-holding circle-jerkers to play 'ignore-the-attacker'. He knows XMR is _losing_ and DASH is _winning_ - just look at the market cap that's always beaten the royal SHIT out of XMR and always will. Well, until XMR fades to black along with the handful of deluded fools on here who give any two shits about it. What then Licey, what then? Oooh instamine. Say something original and interesting. Go on I dare you. Your pump and dump dance would probably be more effective if you were less transparently dishonest in your approach. CoinJoin is trustless— which is orthogonal with centralized or decentralized, it could be implemented several ways (though trustlessness is usually a prerequisite to a decenteralized implementation). Post 5 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg2984051#msg2984051) in the CoinJoin thread writes in depth about implementing it in a decenteralized way, none of which appears to have been implemented by the darkcoin developers as far as I can tell— from what I've heard it seems that they're not even able to understand it. (This is a disappointment to me, since I was trying to describe these ideas clearly so others could understand them.) More amusingly, what DarkCoin does is highly centralized because the software is closed— you can't get more centralized than closed source. What the actual behavior is, is anyone's guess— it's impossible to review due to it being closed— though "masternodes" does not sound like something decenteralized, it sounds like something that creates a small chokepoint which could be used to deanonymize its users, like a server based CoinJoin but worse since you have to hold a huge pile of coins to run a server. From what I can tell the only purpose DarkCoin serves is to depress me about the state of humanity. https://i.imgur.com/XP4aO1v.png So the creator of Litecoin has explained how dash is crap, Peter Todd has explained how dash is crap and Greg Maxwell has explained how dash is crap, can we agree that the only ones dumb (or dishonest) enough to state otherwise are those holding dashbags? But but but... don't you know that if everyone is against you then it is a conspiracy and they are attacking you because DASH is the HOLY GRAIL of cryptocurrency? :P Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: onemorexmr on November 23, 2015, 02:50:35 PM But but but... don't you know that if everyone is against you then it is a conspiracy and they are attacking you because DASH is the HOLY GRAIL of cryptocurrency? :P did you watch indiana jones? they picked the wrong grail.... Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: smoothie on November 23, 2015, 04:59:05 PM But but but... don't you know that if everyone is against you then it is a conspiracy and they are attacking you because DASH is the HOLY GRAIL of cryptocurrency? :P did you watch indiana jones? they picked the wrong grail.... With the list of shady things Dash/Dark has experienced since inception...i'm pretty sure it isn't the HOLY GRAIL of digital payments. But let those who want to live in blissful ignorance continue on as some are not in it to change the world...buy to line their pockets with other people's fiat. Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 29, 2015, 02:40:15 PM this is the new darkcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=349198.0 So now any coin can implement CoinJoin and claim to be the new DarkCoin? This is just one aspect being developed: Improvements over this mixing solution are due to include the following features: * Master Nodes These nodes handle the mixing through random selection - Quote They are responsible for being the authority of what goes into the joined transaction each session. eduffield, 21 February 2014 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg5282966#msg5282966 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg5282966#msg5282966)* I2P: Quote I'm implementing I2P into the masternodes. We're going to have our own private network just for DarkSend. eduffield, 10 May 2014. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg6643662#msg6643662 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg6643662#msg6643662)* Ring signatures are going to be implemented in V2. Quote I will begin development immediately after I opensource V1. eduffield, 12 May 2014. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg6686819#msg6686819 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg6686819#msg6686819)*IP obfuscation 12 May 2014 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg6694377#msg6694377 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg6694377#msg6694377) Fundamentals, gotta have those fundamentals ;) Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on November 29, 2015, 02:40:49 PM The thing is that he promises a lot and doesn't deliver. ... Aha? Tell me only ONE example please. Only thing a can rembember that isn't ready today is Two-factor authentication, but that has no priority. Two-factor authentication is the only one pille can remember :( In addition to the 4 in the previous post, what happened to Masternode blinding? github link below goes 404. Blinding was never implemented despite being "working", and despite Evan's promises that it was only being delayed due to mobile wallets Masternode blinding is working ;D It's super fast, secure and should reduce mixing time by 80%+ https://github.com/darkcoin/darkcoin/commits/masternode-blinding There is NO issue with Darksend, in fact the new masternode blinding system is quite impressive. ************ Please Update To 11.2.22! **************** - DS Speed Improvements : Darksend should be lightning fast now on mainnet. We're going to delay the implementation of masternode blinding because there's two separate mobile wallets that are in the process of implementing Darksend and the reference implementation needs to be super stable during this period of time. Once we have the mobile wallets done (which should have Darksend and InstantX support) we can move back to improving Darksend. The new masternode blinding system is SO impressive he couldn't figure out how to implement it :( Instead, Evan decided to tell everyone Masternode blinding is delayed due to excuses, then never speak about it again. #FAIL #LIES Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: smoothie on November 29, 2015, 11:47:14 PM There is NO issue with Darksend, in fact the new masternode blinding system is quite impressive. In that context it sounds like he is talking about code that someone else wrote. Perhaps someone that is working behind the scenes. My guess would be that Evan has people to help him where he doesn't know what he is doing working for him (as he pays them). Nothing bad about that...just the fact that he makes it appear that HE is the one developing all of this on his own is shady. not to mention all of the other things like peer review that does not exist for Dash. Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: smoothie on November 29, 2015, 11:52:37 PM .. Masternode blinding is working ;D It's super fast, secure and should reduce mixing time by 80%+ https://github.com/darkcoin/darkcoin/commits/masternode-blinding There is NO issue with Darksend, in fact the new masternode blinding system is quite impressive. ************ Please Update To 11.2.22! **************** - DS Speed Improvements : Darksend should be lightning fast now on mainnet. We're going to delay the implementation of masternode blinding because there's two separate mobile wallets that are in the process of implementing Darksend and the reference implementation needs to be super stable during this period of time. Once we have the mobile wallets done (which should have Darksend and InstantX support) we can move back to improving Darksend. The new masternode blinding system is SO impressive he couldn't figure out how to implement it :( Instead, Evan decided to tell everyone Masternode blinding is delayed due to excuses, then never speak about it again. #FAIL #LIES From the outside looking in it appears that Evan does the following: 1. realizes that anonymity is the hot topic .......BETTER DEVELOP ANONYMOUS CODE! 2. anonymity dies down as a hot topic... 3. speed is now the current hot topic.... BETTER DEVELOP FAST TRANSACTION CODE 4. speed dies down as a hot topic... 5. scalability is the hot topic (given bitcoin's block size issue)...... BETTER DEVELOP SCALABLE CODE! .... You can guess what is the next step... Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: bigfryguy on November 30, 2015, 12:16:07 AM not quite sure why keeping a project current is a bad thing. almost seems like a good reason to buy some.
I agree the premine sucks, but does anyone have any evidence that the coin is now unfairly distributed? Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on December 01, 2015, 01:04:26 PM not quite sure why keeping a project current is a bad thing. almost seems like a good reason to buy some. I agree the premine sucks, but does anyone have any evidence that the coin is now unfairly distributed? Please explain how Evan posting in March about masternode blinding being "ready and working great - it's really quite impressive" then in April "we're delaying implementation due to excuses" then nothing more about masternode blinding heard in 7 months is "keeping a project current" More like premature hyping and the realization that it didn't actually work after all. of course Evan can't disappoint his cult followers by admitting his "quite impressive" blinding was actually a big fail Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on December 01, 2015, 01:12:36 PM Evan starts a sham vote !
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=525093.0 Although there was a hard cap of 84M, Evan chooses to lie in the vote selection by claiming an infinite supply in order to manipulate the voting. When asked about this in the thread, Evan never responds again. This one is so scammy i think it deserves its own thread. I am lost here. I thought there was a hard cap at 84 million, yet the red line increases forever. Did that cap never exist? Dash :( Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: illodin on December 06, 2015, 09:54:08 AM Did Dash create more coins out of thin air? :o :o :o :o No. If it did, it would've been a hard fork and miners and users would've had to choose which fork to support. And by the looks of it, not many would've supported the new fork. Did duff wanted to hide his shady dealings?? Depends on what you mean by shady. Given the agenda you're driving you probably imply a scam, which it isn't and wasn't. You wouldn't want such a merge plan to leak because scammers would game the markets before the valuation date of the coins that determine the percentage each holder will get the new coin. A coin that has 10% of the marketcap of the other (can't remember what the exact percentages were back then but around that number I presume) can easily be pumped by 100% or 200% to get unfair gains that don't reflect true market value. Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on December 06, 2015, 01:45:19 PM Looks like illodin aka illospin is on scam defence duty today
Of course DASH is a scam run by scammers. What else would you call an intentional scam instamine then lying about it being a bug? Some more proof of fraud below. My personal favorite is the sham vote, now that's classy. But the hyping of exchange buys while selling OTC is also an instant classic Daesh Developers setting up sham votes ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1256392.msg13120093#msg13120093 ) Daesh Developers hyping the coin by announcing publicly they're buying on exchanges while actively selling OTC? ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1220204.0 ) Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: illodin on December 06, 2015, 01:51:28 PM Looks like illodin aka illospin is on scam defence duty today Well if you don't like FUD being refuted by simply posting facts it's not my problem. Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: DrkLvr_ on December 06, 2015, 01:55:42 PM Facts are fine. My statement was in response to this:
Quote Given the agenda you're driving you probably imply a scam, which it isn't and wasn't. Anyone denying Dash is a scam at this point is either - blind - stupid - has an agenda of their own - all of the above Title: Re: [DASH] The Perpetual "Darkcoin DASH and their lying community" Thread Post by: illodin on December 06, 2015, 05:04:56 PM Facts are fine. My statement was in response to this: Quote Given the agenda you're driving you probably imply a scam, which it isn't and wasn't. Anyone denying Dash is a scam at this point is either - blind - stupid - has an agenda of their own - all of the above Ok so if it is so clear to you please explain how would merging 2 coins be a scam? |
