[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[DrkLvr_]

Nonsense. A worldly 15 year old can have more wisdom and experience than a sheltered 40 year old. In short, age is irrelevant, and you made yourself look foolish with your weak-ass argument.

Maybe you should refrain from posting on forums until you have a little more common sense and life experience.

Dash

[tungfa]

Darq Ep 12
(buster is back)
http://darq.io/episodes/ep12

[tungfa]

iPhone DashWallet Release
downloaded yet ?
 
https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/iPhone+-+DashWallet+v.0.8.8

[EdgarTheEdge]

iPhone DashWallet Release
downloaded yet ?
 
https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/iPhone+-+DashWallet+v.0.8.8

Do you need jailbroken Iphone to install?

[oblox]

this coin is far from anonymous

Shame you can't demonstrate that by de-anonymising a darksent address.

Well, being a lowly crypto nerd without the resources to either backdoor or subpoena the top three server providers for masternodes, unfortunately you are correct. However, the word "anonymous" does not come with the stipulation that you must be a lowly crypto nerd without those resources, it means untraceable. Considering the fact that the majority of masternodes are being run with unmixed coins, sending subpoenas to just a few server providers and perhaps backdooring a few other ones would paint a rather clear picture of a large number of individuals who are involved in this project (i.e. the ones who are mixing). Get your hands on that info, create db of all transactions related to those address.. and you start to have quite a bit of the people "mixing" exposed, which in some cases would completely expose your "mixing attempt" and in other cases just eliminate possiblities, identify new parties, narrowing down possiblities. Let a guv bot run through all that info and the word "anonymous" is not much of a proper fit.

* Throw in subpoenas to 3 or 4 US internet providers (bc you all set up your MNs all over the globe but almost all of you live in the US) as well as timing attacks.... that's all without owning any any coins. Throw in 17 nodes trying to mix and acting as sybil....

Masternodes were live and being paid before mixing was particularly functional on any level. From when there were 40mns to about 1000mns mixing was pretty much unusable, and almost everyone used Amazon AWS, for which you must provide your identity.

Isn't there also a potential problem for monero with all the mixin 0 inputs rolling around (http://moneroblocks.eu/stats). Yes, that will be resolved when the mandatory 2 (or 3) mixin min is set and the transactions have time to build various units of inputs but for the time being, it can be a struggle to find suitable inputs for larger sums. Or am I missing something? Then again, there's nothing to prevent someone from sending higher mixins with lower tx values (more common inputs) to multiple wallets under their control in the meantime before consolidating into one final wallet. *shrug*

[toknormal]

the word "anonymous" does not come with the stipulation that you must be a lowly crypto nerd without those resources, it means untraceable

No. Anonymous does not mean "untraceable".


It means that a blockchain address is not associated with a legal (individual or corporate) entity in the way a bank account is.

So called "backed" money requires to be obfuscated because it is only based on record keeping - usually that of the quantified level of debt or credit of the account holder who's identity is necessarily synonymous with the account.

Cryptocurrency, on the other hand, is not an electronic representation of bank accounts.

It is an uncounterfeitable token that is not "own-able" in any legally defined way because your name and address is not rubber stamped onto the blockchain. That is by definition anonymity and even when you buy 'crypto' on an exchange you don't own it in the way that you own your house. You simply happen to have control over a certain blockchain address, but not in any legal sense.

So there is no need to "hide" the blockchain to support anonymity. In fact blockchain transparency is essential for there to be money in the first place. What do people do when they think their wallet is lying to them ? They go to blockchain.info or some other public consensus block explorer to assure themselves that what they think they made happen on the blockchain - did happen.

You think they don't want to see the balance in the destination address accruing when they send a transactions ? You think they want to have to beg the receiver for a viewkey to assure them that they made a payment ? What do people do when they make an exchange deposit and their cash doesn't turn up in 10 minutes ? They go onto blockchain.info and check A. the sending address B. the receiving address C. the number of confirmations.

I'm sorry, but if anyone thinks that users of crypto are going to accept anything less than utter transparency before they endow an unbacked monetary system with value then they are deluded to the point of disneyland.

What's great about Dash is this:

[1] - it doesn't compromise any of bitcoin's transparency - in fact it inherits it

[2] - it makes bitcoin perfectly fungible - directly, without recourse to obfuscation, loss of commercial compatability or transaction auditability. No other coin does that.

The implications of [2] are that electronic anonymity reverts to the level of true cash with all the associated implications for privacy and anonymity. One blockchain address is as visible, verifiable and accessible as the next, but simultaneously indistinguishable.

That is money. Not some trainspotter's cyphering system.

[g4q34g4qg47ww]

Isn't there also a potential problem for monero with all the mixin 0 inputs rolling around (http://moneroblocks.eu/stats). Yes, that will be resolved when the mandatory 2 (or 3) mixin min is set and the transactions have time to build various units of inputs but for the time being, it can be a struggle to find suitable inputs for larger sums. Or am I missing something? Then again, there's nothing to prevent someone from sending higher mixins with lower tx values (more common inputs) to multiple wallets under their control in the meantime before consolidating into one final wallet. *shrug*

Yes yes and yes. When considering this, concentration of money supply matters a WHOLE lot. Which is why bytecoin is a nogo and makes drk launch a little more painful.

*BUT, that other currency doesn't have the early adopters attaching ID to server company connection, which i see as the big one.

Anonymous does not mean "untraceable".It means that a blockchain address is not associated with a legal (individual or corporate) entity in the way a bank account is.

You make up jibber jabber and pass it off as fact...

"Anonymous is the adjective form of anonymity, the state of an individual's personal identity, or personally identifiable information, being publicly unknown."

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous

Then you go on to jabber about your ideas about currency, none of the rules or principles you state does that other currency, whose name I have not mentioned, violate in any way.

What do people do when they make an exchange deposit and their cash doesn't turn up in 10 minutes ? They go onto blockchain and check"

Verification of transaction is easily possible witht this other currency you keep comparing yourself to. Just dont enter the wrong address dummy.

I'm sorry, but if anyone thinks that users of crypto are going to accept anything less than utter transparency before they endow an unbacked monetary system with value then they are deluded to the point of disneyland.

It's called fungibility. And your ideal currency requires it as law. And your transparent part of block chain that you hold so dear violates this principle, and makes switching to the non-transparent part of the blockchain an offense, accounts frozen, etc, happening now with btc. Fucking look up "fungible". Your "ideal" currency is not fact, is confusing, and seems to just suit your needs rather than make any sense. If you want to talk about crypto in terms of legitimate currency, then use largely accepted conecepts to back your arguments, not just your day dream bs, which you seem to be the only one talking about, and on top of that passing it off as fact.

[bigrcanada]

iPhone DashWallet Release
downloaded yet ?
 
https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/iPhone+-+DashWallet+v.0.8.8

Sorry... But I didn't find a response to my earlier query... If there was/is a similar wallet available now for Android?

[raico]

iPhone DashWallet Release

https://dashtalk.org/threads/iphone-dashwallet-release.7123/

Nice Move~!

Looking forword to the Andriod version.

Congrats from China~!

[Solarminer]

the word "anonymous" does not come with the stipulation that you must be a lowly crypto nerd without those resources, it means untraceable

No. Anonymous does not mean "untraceable".


It means that a blockchain address is not associated with a legal (individual or corporate) entity in the way a bank account is.

So called "backed" money requires to be obfuscated because it is only based on record keeping - usually that of the quantified level of debt or credit of the account holder who's identity is necessarily synonymous with the account.

Cryptocurrency, on the other hand, is not an electronic representation of bank accounts.

It is an uncounterfeitable token that is not "own-able" in any legally defined way because your name and address is not rubber stamped onto the blockchain. That is by definition anonymity and even when you buy 'crypto' on an exchange you don't own it in the way that you own your house. You simply happen to have control over a certain blockchain address, but not in any legal sense.

So there is no need to "hide" the blockchain to support anonymity. In fact blockchain transparency is essential for there to be money in the first place. What do people do when they think their wallet is lying to them ? They go to blockchain.info or some other public consensus block explorer to assure themselves that what they think they made happen on the blockchain - did happen.

You think they don't want to see the balance in the destination address accruing when they send a transactions ? You think they want to have to beg the receiver for a viewkey to assure them that they made a payment ? What do people do when they make an exchange deposit and their cash doesn't turn up in 10 minutes ? They go onto blockchain.info and check A. the sending address B. the receiving address C. the number of confirmations.

I'm sorry, but if anyone thinks that users of crypto are going to accept anything less than utter transparency before they endow an unbacked monetary system with value then they are deluded to the point of Disneyland.

What's great about Dash is this:

[1] - it doesn't compromise any of bitcoin's transparency - in fact it inherits it

[2] - it makes bitcoin perfectly fungible - directly, without recourse to obfuscation, loss of commercial compatability or transaction auditability. No other coin does that.

The implications of [2] are that electronic anonymity reverts to the level of true cash with all the associated implications for privacy and anonymity. One blockchain address is as visible, verifiable and accessible as the next, but simultaneously indistinguishable.

That is money. Not some trainspotter's cyphering system.

I wade through all the troll bantering for posts like this.  Well said toknormal.

[raico]

It's obviously that trolls are getting crazy and nervous about the new achievements in Dash development. And they scared about the huge potential about Dash in future.
So They distort the facts, spead the lies and bicker. Although many my Chinese fellows, unlike me who willing to type some words in this thread, they just stay silence and enjoy to see the trolls struggle for their own "investment" which they know well that it will be doomed at the end. So they(The trolls) try their best to seduce ppl to invest in some trash which they hope that would save themselves. Nice try~

As the fundamentals of the Dash become more clear, we, will invest more in Dash~

Edit:

one of my fellow told me that someone doubt my nationality in my last post. Sorry for the late reply, because You are in my ingnored list

Here is the word for you: 天作孽，尤可赎；自作孽，不可活～

[g4q34g4qg47ww]

Anonymous does not mean "untraceable".It means that a blockchain address is not associated with a legal (individual or corporate) entity in the way a bank account is.

You make up jibber jabber and pass it off as fact...

"Anonymous is the adjective form of anonymity, the state of an individual's personal identity, or personally identifiable information, being publicly unknown."

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous

Hate to break it to you, but he's right, and you just supported it with that. It's not about not knowing money went from point A to point B, it's about not knowing the PERSONAL IDENTITY of the people involved...

If you stress the world 'publicly' then yeah, your neighbor cant see you bought porn with dash. I figure most people interested in anonymous currency would want a higher degree of privacy. And just because your nieghbor cant see what you did with dash, paralell case construction and information leaks happen.

[g4q34g4qg47ww]

Would have to be guv, they'd assign two half-autistic-genuis new kids that would map it out in 5 days and be bored the whole time.

[TanteStefana2]

I debate the "perfect" in your second assertion. It depends on MNs, which I think we can all agree are MOSTLY hosted in the US. If DASH becomes a problem for the government, i.e. they can't tell where transactions are going or coming from, they will issue a few national security letters and get root on most MNs, making it game over.

This is my only real problem with DASH that hasn't been refuted - the fact that it depends on PEOPLE running servers, not cryptography, to ensure privacy.

Actually, if you look here: http://178.254.18.153/~pub/Dash/Masternodes_Map.html  you will see that most of the MNs are in Europe Asia and Russia.  Actually, the distribution is great in the Northern Hemisphere, and could use a bit more in the Southern, yet still, very well distributed.  And the fact that one needs over 90% of the network to hope to decipher any information that's well hidden with 8 rounds of DS, you can see there is no way any single government could possibly do it.  Even North America  + Europe + Australia isn't enough.  I'd say there is very little hope for Governments to do this, ever.

It's just a matter of how much you want to mix.

Can you imagine the trouble the governments have to go through to access so many servers?  They can't just do that, at least in the USA.  They have to have a warrant.  If they can't show they'll get more than a 1% chance of real information from a random mix/transaction (not even the transactions they're looking for) they won't even be allowed to try.

Also, unless the MN is malicious, and recording mixings, there would be nothing to find.

[volyova]

It's obviously that trolls are getting crazy and nervous about the new achievements in Dash development. And they scared about the huge potential about Dash in future.
So They distort the facts, spead the lies and bicker. Although many my Chinese fellows, unlike me who willing to type some words in this thread, they just stay silence and enjoy to see the trolls struggle for their own "investment" which they know well that it will be doomed at the end. So they(The trolls) try their best to seduce ppl to invest in some trash which they hope that would save themselves. Nice try~

As the fundamentals of the Dash become more clear, we, will invest more in Dash~

Edit:

one of my fellow told me that someone doubt my nationality in my last post. Sorry for the late reply, because You are in my ingnored list

Here is the word for you: 天作孽，尤可赎；自作孽，不可活～

Hello, friend. I was just messing about with Google Translate and it says : 天作孽，尤可赎；自作孽，不可活 = Days of sin, especially redeemable; regret, can not live. Stupid translator! Could you tell me what it actually means? Also, could you tell me...is Dash popular with Chinese investors? Just wanted to get your take on it. Thanks, V.

[toknormal]

I debate the "perfect" in your second assertion. It depends on MNs, which I think we can all agree are MOSTLY hosted in the US. If DASH becomes a problem for the government, i.e. they can't tell where transactions are going or coming from, they will issue a few national security letters and get root on most MNs, making it game over.

I'm afraid that argument's a non-starter.

It's been gone over hundreds of times.

[1] - It would be like trying to swat a swarm of flies with a fishslice. A masternode is just a regular wallet daemon and equally as decentralised

[2] - If Dash ever became such a threat that a government would go to such lengths, you'd have already been a millionaire several times over

[volyova]

I debate the "perfect" in your second assertion. It depends on MNs, which I think we can all agree are MOSTLY hosted in the US. If DASH becomes a problem for the government, i.e. they can't tell where transactions are going or coming from, they will issue a few national security letters and get root on most MNs, making it game over.

I'm afraid that argument's a non-starter.

It's been gone over hundreds of times.

[1] - It would be like trying to swat a swarm of flies with a fishslice. A masternode is just a regular wallet daemon and equally as decentralised

[2] - If Dash ever became such a threat that a government would go to such lengths, you'd have already been a millionaire several times over

Hooray! I like millions...

[smoothie]

I'm going to leave this here. 

I personally won't buy cloak because of the 7 day proof of work instamine.

LOL ^. But maybe to them it was a "FEATURE" hahaha


I guess instamining Dash in 2-3 days is GOOD....

than instamining Cloak for 7 days which is BAD 

[volyova]

I personally won't buy cloak because of the 7 day proof of work instamine.

instamining Dash in 2-3 days is GOOD....

instamining Cloak for 7 days which is BAD 

Dash's instamine was on accident, because Duffield didn't test the software before going live beause Dash is so important and urgent testing would have wasted precious time. 

God, Duff explained this like a thousand times already!  http://dashdot.io/alpha/?page_id=118http://dashdot.io/alpha/?page_id=118!!!1!

Cloak's instamine was on purpose, because c4shm4n tested his software before launching because Cloak isn't important because Dash is better.

How could you even compare the two?

You are such a troll smoothie!   

Shouldn't you be off, promoting the wonders of XMR to an unaware populace? Why don't you do something more positive with your life?

[toknormal]

Why don't you do something more positive with your life?

I don't think you quite understand. He's looking after his fertiliser. What could be more positive than that ?