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at the moment i have 30 btc now i could sell in the highs and buy gold leaving me with 15 btc.

im starting to think btc wont survive long due being entirely digital the thing could be abandoned or worse internet might go down what you guys think i would look pretty stupid buying something you cant see or hold im torn to shreds right now.

ive listened to max keiser and proffs that bitcoin could be worth tens of thousends i think its the most sensible thing to do "dont put eggs in one basket" on all...

it draws a fine line... i.e. all that electricity to "mine" bitcoins pushing hardware to the max and with exchanges like crypsty and cexio mucking me around i just dont see the future help me realise this what should i do?

Is that 30 bitcoins all the money you have in the world? If you do then that's kinda crazy. Gold doesn't do it for me but you can't deny it's not going anywhere any time soon. I don't think you'll get a very neutral opinion about bitcoin here.

You have to decide that yourself, people here are likely to just be talking their book, myself included.

You could have picked a worse time to buy some gold, like the last 5 years... so there's that.

BTC has doubled since the 225 doldrums. It's also a fairly high risk bet just in general, so the "all eggs in one basket" warning is a real one. Flip side of that risk is that it could moon without you.

Diversify your assets, my man.  30 btc is a lot, but I definitely wouldn't keep everything you own in btc.  Gold is probably a good short-term bet, but I'd say look at the stock market too.  We're due for a correction, and you can probably scoop up some cheap stocks.  I think 15 btc is good to keep.

probaly not recommend for gold, unless gold price is on the low level which convinces you to go long, and gold is unlimited outside the earth. more recommended to go long with bitcoin for now. :) depends on your interest.

I'd keep the 30 BTC. There is much more to be gained with it then in gold.

In this generation where people live on the internet and never go outside anymore, if the internet does go down you have other things to worry about other then gold or silver, you need to get food,water and guns.

Then you can use the guns to rob people with gold and silver.

BTC is an investment with HUGE systemic risk.

Gold is an investment which has proven itself as a store of value for the entire duration of human civilisation.

BTC has bottomed out (for now) in 2015 for sure. Gold may have just bottomed out, or may still be bottoming out. Whatever happens, providing you are thinking in terms of a 5-10 year investment, now should prove to be a tremendous time to buy gold. Down almost 50% on it's 2011 high!

In terms of growth of profits, you are likely to see far more potential yield in the immediate future with Bitcoin, but if you fail to time your exit well, also far more potential for evaporation of profits.


I believe we are entering the final wave of the 'fear cycle'. Expect massive market corrections in the next 18 months. Usually under these circumstances, hard assets or safe haven assets do very well, as the fear, uncertainty, and doubt, drive people away from investments with counter party risk, and into things which are 'solid'. If the market can be tricked into believing that Bitcoin is a 'hard asset', then we may see blistering gains in Bitcoin compared to gold, but the core difference will always remain, that gold is real, it is formed within a very narrow band of time in the final moments before a star goes supernova, hence it's rarity across the entire cosmos. Bitcoin on the otherhand, is vapour, and one day, it will be revealed to be nothing more than that, whethet that is 5 years, or 50 years from now.

Gold is an insurance policy, BTC is about as highly speculative an asset as it gets. Do what makes you feel good/comfortable with yourself.
 

You can expect btc to crash real hard soon. Fear is really strong right now and growing rapidly, it's a matter of time before people start mass panic selling again. I recommend putting most in alternative and more promising investments. Maybe keep 1-5 btc.

The price will probably rise before the halving, and people will expect the price to skyrocket on the day of the halving. On that day the prices will not skyrocket. This will cause a massive panicking people will sell their Bitcoins and the price will drop to the 100s.

Gold I wouldn't call an investment, as it's purchasing power remains largely the same (ignoring typical swings).  What you could buy for an ounce of gold a century ago is pretty much what you can buy with it now.  The FIAT by which it is measured has seriously taken a dive however.

If you're feeling a little too exposed in BTC then Gold could be a decent option (but keep it yourself, and not in a bank).  Just don't expect any stellar gains with it, but more of a safety storage of your assets.

After the stock crash (whenever that will be), there will be some good pickings to be had, but if you wanted to buy now then it tends to be unethical investments that weather a storm better.

If the internet should go down, then society will be in a tailspin and BTC will be the least of your worries.

i would do 30/70, i would favor bitcoin, because it is really in the way to increase dramatically, you would profit much more than having 50% on something which is stagnant, and will remain stagnant

because stability = stagnation

Yes, even going 90/10 with the bitcoin and gold must be a wise decision in my perspective. But I never recommend to go hundred percent with bitcoin alone.
Diversifying our investment is must for portfolio management. But we can trust bitcoin to invest more.

i think your choice is good split investment with percentage 50/50 but if i'm it's you i would make 40/60 because i'm sure mid this year bitcoin price will jump high

yeah i agree i would personally do it in the way you said, but maybe the OP is more conservative, so i said 30/70

if i want to be honest i would invest everything in bitcoin right now, the trend is vastly different than what it was last year,

you would do a great error comparing it to 2014 for example...but i know that people tend to have difficulty to forget the bad things

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If you prefer to have the price stability of gold it would be good to invest 50% in gold.
If you can take the risks of holding bitcoins you can profit big time in the long run.

30BTC is a more than decent amount to have, especially for the long term. Due to Bitcoin's fully digital nature it doesn't mean it won't survive. At some point in the future the majority of payments around the world will be done digitally by people paying with their smartphones and such.

If you do want to spread your investments, then you surely can do that. 75% invested in Bitcoin and 25% invested in Gold isn't that bad of a spread of investments. I personally would keep all the 30 Bitcoins and keep it offline in a secure manner for the future. But you are free to do what you want.

I'd favour bitcoin, I switched some of the yellow metal for more bitcoin when bitcoin was somewhere in the $200's. I will get more gold when bitcoin is much higher than now. I think it is a good idea to switch some for gold but not yet. This bitcoin bull has hardly started.

Id love to have 30btc but if you considor that we might not even be in the highs yet you might be kicking yourself in a few months if price does indeed skyrocket due to the halfing and other influencing factors. The price has been hovering around this price for a while now so it depends on whether or  not you expect it to plummet.

I'm going to gradually unload some btc for gold and silver, just for diversification.

Imho silver has more potential gain if they start rising, given the gold/silver price ratio overextended at about 80X, current price below mining cost,  almost no stock, etc.
But even with gold, I would not discard the chance of a doubling in price within 1-2 years.

Now both look like they've just bottomed, so risks of further major drops should be contained.
Whatever you do, at this time I would move gradually, and not forget to keep about 20-30% in cash at all times.

I would agree on everything you just said and I've always suggested everyone around not to go all in with Bitcoin. I'm not really sure about silver but regarding gold it will never lose its appeal.
Gold is not crude oil!

I am going all in with bitcoins because I hope that the price will increase in the long run. Still that's my view because I like to take the risk.

Agree with the above 100%

If you are considering gold, take a look at Xaurum. It is 100% gold backed and you can "melt" xau and receive the gold at your home. Not only you are fully covered by gold but the amount of gold grows constantly by mining of Xau, by every new direct purchase of xau, by every transaction (fees are converted to gold). Since the beginning of this year the amount of gold represented by 1 Xau has grown from 1,406154326 g/XAU to 1,448123884 g/XAU. This coin is in initial phase and it has big potential.

Ahh, aren't we all dreaming about cheap bitcoins. Please notify me when you are selling your precious coins at those dollar prices.

@OP
You should not think about absolute amounts but rather decide which percentage of your wealth you would like to have in Bitcoin. Adjust accordingly every 6 or 12 months.

It is personal preferences to like more gold or bitcoin, but personally i would invest in bitcoin.
Gold is more stable but we expect a higher increase of bitcoin in upcoming years.

Gold has been the best form of money for thousands of years but crypto can do some things better than gold, eg easier to store, easier to divide, easier to send. Market doesn't care that elements are created in the sun, only cares which is most efficient at filling the need for money. But yes crypto is still beta and in a huge experimental growth phase therefore much more speculative.

Its the amount of risk that the person wishes to take that will determine his rewards in the long run.

Depends on your goals. Either way if that's all you have you need to diversify I agree. Gold is always a good option and I understand your concept, I don't think it will ever happen but hey, if civilization crumbles to the point of no internet, then gold will most likely be your salvation. Just keep it close and not in a internet operated swiss vault hehe!

If it were me, I would certainly want to hedge with many more than two options; more like five or six+, which would include holding physical cash (low denominations in case of Greek-style credit controls, so you aren't handing over big bills for cheap items, and not getting enough change due to shortage of cash). I decided to get out of gold a year ago at the $1,300 high and am waiting for at least a drop below £1,000 before getting back in (possibly by March?), and I got out of BTC at the $315 blip before the $450ish high (playing too safe, I know).

As well as roughly 15% each in physical gold, cash and BTC,  I'd probably split the rest with land, DOW/SP500 ETFs (until just before the peak, possibly later in 2017?), some P2P loans (which combined give around 6% interest), including to deflation-friendly sector businesses and buying assets such as portable fine art, and "useful stuff": tools, machinery etc; things that could either be used to sell or barter with IF we end up with a severe downturn which affects infrastructure. Perhaps more likely to hit first where I am here in Europe before the States.

Just my take. Always interested to here other views.

As all other have suggested bitcoin price is likely to be rise just before halving and you can look at the trend (look on monthly figure) you will find steady rise of price. And there is halving and china huge buying force making good support at this high prices.

I'm 35% gold & silver, 60% bitcoin and 5% cash. ;)

I guess by cash you meant bank deposits. But I do not invest nay money into bank for interest gaining as in my country bank interest rates are very much lower than inflation rate. So, the worth of money's buying capacity is getting decrease over time if we invest  in bank.

it does not hurt, if you're less confident with the increase in bitcoin, you must take the 50:50, even as you play the trading, if the gold price falls, the price of bitcoin might be able to pay it, and vice versa

I would be very wary of keeping "cash" in bank deposits due to the likely Cyprus-style bail-ins on the way. As many of you will be aware, you don't own the money in your account, the bank does. You are simply one in a long line of creditors if the bank fails, so would most likely end up with little or nothing after any significantly financial event. Or, with credit controls in action, be rationed so much a week, as in Greece. For me, "cash" means the stuff I can actually hold in my hand.

Do whatever you feel is good for you. I advice you not to sell any of your Bitcoins as long as we aren't even close to the halving. After the halving you can secure some profits by selling a few coins. You can then buy yourself some gold.

I mean like investing in something with intrinsic value is better than investing in something without any intrinsic value. It's far more safer to invest in gold.

Intrinsic as in something physical? I find Bitcoin to have much more potential growth than gold. It's just how I think about it.

Wait for break 1200 before buy gold, it could be a classic bull trap. I'm on markets since 1999, and i think gold goes under 1000$ shortly

If I still had any BTC I would hang onto them for now, especially as the Chinese Yuan looks likely to devalue again soon, and BTC is popular there for parking assets - along with gold too of course.  Btw, I don't think you can necessarily count on a BTC halving occuring - though if it does, I'll re-stock. Of course, you can't rely on gold being the right price when you sell any BTC - it could either be too soon or too late.


I agree. Do you follow Armstrong at all? Depending on time, Feb/March looks like when it could happen, yes? I would prefer to start taper buying at $1000 and take it from there if it goes lower.

I'm thinking the same.First it's good to have both.And then it's one personal decision how much percent you go in what.
Bitcoin is definitely having the bigger potential for more growth, so if you want to take a bit more risk then choose Bitcoin.Maybe 60/40.

Gold right now costs around 1,100 USD which 244% more than bitcoin, i could go with bitcoin before

Everyone has their own opinion about bitcoin and gold
I would put most of it in bitcoin
but it's like you said, don't put all your eggs in one basket
You never know what will happen, you might lose and you might win

I'm no geek on the subject, but I understand there are technical reasons why BTC can't scale big without compromising its decentralized state.


I'd go with that.

What you can do with your bitcoins is only your problem and no one have the right to judge your decision. The same with what you think. But in the same time even everyone have the right to tell what think about your decisions or previsions. Mine are totally against these you tell in your post. I wouldn't sell never 15 bitcoin to buy gold nor today and neither never. And not only gold but nothing. The best thing that can have someone who have bitcoin and which can be over it is only.... bitcoin itself. This is first.

The second is even more against than the first. How is possible to be worthless something that since the born 6 six years ago have known the biggest and fastest increase in value than everything else (currency, good or service). This "worthless thing" worth 450 times than the most strong and spread currency in the world named us dollar. This last currency is the most credible currency in the world and almost all the countries of the world use it as a irreplaceable currency in their monetary reserves which are used only or normally in critic economic situations. The "worthless thing" together with the "other finished thing" named internet, which, according to you will end soon, are the last most developed inventions of the human kind. The last one have changed radically the world of the last 30 years and the technology which has as the first materialization of it the "worthless thing" will change radically the world, at least, the next 30 years, but normally more than 50 years to come.

So my friend tell to them who have predicted to you the situation that make you to write your main post that must understand that being original don't mean to tell bullshits.

Is your choice no one is stopping you, but if I was you I would just do 30% gold and 70% for bitcoin.
I feel like that bitcoin will be more profitable, but is not my life and choice.
Well good luck than if you do 50/50 is nice to do if you earn a lot of money with it.

I would go for a diversified investment too.
Never bet on 1 horse. So fifty fifty is a good option. However i prefer the stock markets too, since they are less risky and offer a better ROI.

Taking in account a period of 3-5 years

No, i'm not follow Armstrong. I've a jewerlery since 1999. So i bought gold since it was @ 200$ or @ 1900$ too :'(. But gold market is really hard to understand.

Well, why not buy DOGE  wich is 99.99999% under gold? I think your idea is not really good  ::)

Doge is just like other altcoins which is not bad, i used doge in the past it is easy to use and has faster confirmation than bitcoin.

You can go gold, but don't convert what bitcoin you already/still have to do so. Find some other funds to buy gold with. Is $6750 going to be hard raise/put together? I mean, depending on your financials, you may as well keep that half in bitcoin.

I think this is a good bet. Gold is very stable in price and many volume.
Bitcoin has the same advantages since it is a future currency/investment

I believe I'm right in saying this is an old Samurai quote:

"Expect nothing, be prepared for everything."

That's a good saying but for me it's more then just expectancy. Like everyone I expect a return on my investment.
By splitting the risk becomes less and the reward becomes bigger.

Yes, both gold and bitcoin are solid investment.
They are strong and have potential. With bitcoin being my favourite offcource, i expect the most reward from bitcoin.

there are a good amount of people that think gold is somewhat safe as an investment. to a certain extend it is true, but with bitcoin you know how much supply there ever will be. with gold not.

Even gold and bitcoin are same kind of investments, bitcoin has many advantages over gold in short term as well as long term perspective to produce more returns. In past also, bitcoin has evolved multi time than gold in terms of value. So, investing in bitcoin is more wise decisions.

I guess, I would have gone 60/40 on gold.

It's because of gold that I came to know Bitcoin and therefore I will never disinvest my gold savings but, of course, knowing the rising value and appeal of BTC I started accumulating some. As many other people said the best thing is to have a mixed portfolio. There's a lot of studying that comes into place when one decides to start investing and I would say that studying and learning about these markets is mandatory to have a better financial future.

I would invest more in gold then bitcoin too.
This because i need security with investments, so far Bitcoin is not providing me real security.

If you seek more security it comes with the price of lowering your chance of profiting big time.

Bitcoin has a great potential return that is far bigger than what gold can offer you. If there was a time to buy Bitcoin, then the time would be right now. People will look back after 6 months from now and blame themself for not investing more in Bitcoin. (If they can afford it of course.)

I can recommend this.  Gold has been there for centuries. But bitcoin is 'new'
and yes i think they (bitcoin) needs to prove it more to be a solid investment.

With the current gold:silver ratio I think silver is a better choice.

Why not it's always good to diversify your portfolio. Also, gold will always be valuable. Never hurts to invest in it

Every investment involves great risks, and you need to plan responsibly each of your financial decisions because 30 bitcoins is really a good amount. It is true that there is great uncertainty about the future of bitcoin, but this uncertainty is equally applicable to all currencies, commodities and assets, but I would hold at least 10 bitcoins in my wallet.

thank all for the advise ive decided to go 20% on gold.  if bitcoin drops around 200 ish i will buy btc again and re sell if it goes to 400 ive effectively doubled my money this year so i think its a balanced move

depending on bitcoins success/failure i will monitor this and adjust ratio

it will not drop

i think people need still to understand how bitcoin work, there is no going back unless it is died, 200 mean thta mining is not profitable for miners

and no the argument that the diff will simply reduce because some miners leave, means only the died of the network

@OP:
it depends at what are you aiming. If you go for more risk (and more gain) then the bigger BTC part the better. If you want to preserve your capital then 50/50 should be about right. Both BTC and gold can go down, gold after straight four years of down trend, is much less likely to still lose more than BTC.

there is no need to wait for the price to go down that much, especially with the great outlook that bitcoin has in 2016 and further. it's your choice, but at this point bitcoin will only increase more and more. if you keep waiting for the price to come down to unrealistic price levels, then you will probably end up buying at a much higher price.

If Bitcoin gets back down to $200 range. It will be a correction that even the most (reasonably) bearish of punters will not have expected prior to the halving. If you want to wait on a pullback (wise decision), then I think you would be better served looking for an entry in mid $300s.

Infact, I will tell you now. Bitcoin aint going back down to the $200 range before the halving.

I also don't expect to see sub $300 prices before the halving. Most probably, the zone between $350 and $400 should stop any retrace. Therefore, looking for good entries now, I would set the buy orders there.

Yeah maybe if i had 30 btc i will buy gold to because maybe in the future the bitcoin will down.
But for now im still collecting bitcoin to living..

I don't think bitcoin will reach $200 soon and if it does reach this amount, it will take another year most probably to increase. Since, I also believe in bitcoin investments more, it's good to buy more bitcoins than gold as it's as well quite profitable compared to gold.

Gold and BTC have been negatively correlated at -70%, so with a balanced portfolio is likely that most of what you lose with one you gain with the other -and jumping from one to the other could be even better:

https://research.tradeblock.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/XBT-Gold.png

https://tradeblock.com/blog/bitcoin-correlations-to-macro-environment-gold-and-yuan-standouts (https://tradeblock.com/blog/bitcoin-correlations-to-macro-environment-gold-and-yuan-standouts)

IMO the best bet would be to stay variable, like right now is the best time to accumulate BTC so have a larger bite of your portfolio leaning towards BTC I'd advice to keep 5-8% in liquid cash should something interesting would happen to the market - with that at least you'd be flexible.

yes you should do it but if you really like it because you have a great idea invest bitcoin for short term and invest gold for long term

Thanks for a nice picture. It looks very pretty, the trick is although the units are the same in the Y-axes, we are in very different values regions. Meaning, Bitcoin is much more volatile than gold. You may lose/win more if you keep it BTC-biased.

Correlation does not implie causation. The gold price is mostly made up of paper-gold valuation, which can easily be surpressed and in fact there is strong evidence that this is exactly whats happening.
Gold needs to be cheap as it's the most commonly accepted save-haven store of value. A low gold price therefore indicates that everything is alright and keeps the masses calm.

Bitcoin on the other hand tends to rise during economic uncertainty, mostly not because its seen like gold but for its capabilities to hide and move any given amount frictionless around the whole globe.

So the correlation can very well be explained by assuming that bitcoin is rising the most at exact those times when gold needs to be supressed the most for persaving more widespread panic.

I'm fully aware that this conclusion requires two strong assumptions and I could very well be wrong, but don't let yourself be fooled into believing that two graphs that show a similar pattern are proving a direct relation of the underlying effects.

Stay all BTC, you have a higher chance of becoming urber wealthy with BTC than with Gold. Gold is"safer" it can go down tooo

That's your choice I think. I do not choose someone because it looks like my debts.
You should do what you want and where you feel comfortable with.

Yes of course, and in previous years I had a definite impression of a strong positive correlation instead.
I found that chart interesting just for trading / asset allocation ideas (not certainties). Imho at this right moment gold seems to me a safer bet than btc (for who is interested to keep something on the safe side).

Interesting idea yours. But then the panic-fueled btc rocket now should be flying high (?)

Diversifying your investment is never a bad thing. So yeah both gold and bitcoin are good way to do that.
Mostly because they both are solid investments.

Buying Brent Oil is also very good right now.

That is clever indeed. But gold have I always think.
Bitcoin can be hacked because you and that's the disadvantage of making money online.

But it is worth a lot so that's an advantage. But the chances of both is that the price may fall. which is the risk.

You can do that indeed. But gold remains gold. Bitcoin is very risky because because it can often be very much change.
But this risk you should take. Because you never know what can happen.

Every investment has a certain risk, especially if you are a short term minded trader.

Bitcoin vs Gold from the last 30 days; This period was bad for your Bitcoin investment, but decent for Gold.

Bitcoin ~ -13.90%
Gold ~ +5.10%

Bitcoin vs Gold from the last 6 months; This period was fantastic for your Bitcoin investment, but very disappointing for you Gold investment.

Bitcoin ~ +40.65%
Gold ~ +3.10%

I think you need to invest all your money in bitcoins.
The future of the bitcoin is better and more profitable.
In my opinion bitcoin is also the future of the money.

no you can diversify but not with gold, but with other strong altcoin

i would do 50% bitcoin, 10% for eth, 10% for dash, 10% for doge(but only when you see a very low value <50 satoshi) and 10% for litecoin(but not right now, only in the eyar of the halving)

then you add another 10% on factom, seems promising

If you are young i would just keep it all in bitcoin, gold isn't go to go sky high anytime soon, maybe gold might hold its value.  You get one chance though and 30 bitcoin could change your life. Hold for the longest time.

I would go 50/50 because the worth of gold can drop.
Bitcoin is newer it's only rising in value but is can be hacked

If you want an honest opinion I'd advise you to just follow your head. It's probably not advisable to go 100% bitcoin. I'm not sure if I'd recommend gold though.

Maybe just be boring & safe & invest in the highest interest bank savings bond that you can on a 4 or 5 year fixed rate. Locking fiat up for a while whilst not great is safe.

Another option could be real estate, put a deposit on a small apartment & rent it out. It's unlikely to lose money in bricks & mortar in the current climate.

Personally I'd keep about 20 bitcoin's in cold storage though, you'd be devastated if we ever went to 10,000 USD per coin or something.

this is exactly what i mean when i say that bitcoin has much more room for potential growth. the short term is not an indication of something. the long term is what we need to look at. on the other hand, gold didn't give much return in the last 6 months, but over that period the price/profit remained nicely stable. good for people who use gold as a store of wealth.

I would go for Gold that's an option you can be more sure of.
The only thing is the rates are dropping of gold so at this moment bitcoin is the better option.

Gold has proved (I think) to be quite safe, and something many people do not realize is that gold has value in itself (ductile metal, needed for some applications etc). However you have to balance the expectation of profit. It is not much with gold, but very high with BTC. Perhaps not 50/50, but a lower percentage on gold.

It is always good to stay diversified - metals are always a safe bet as storage and specifically in times of uncertainty and have been used for centuries.  Nice job on having 30BTC, I only wish  :)

Gold's currently tapping the top of the channel. We should be due a breakout now judging by historical patterns (not to mention global production is finally set to decrease this year). Even if 2011 proves to be the peak of the bubble, I would expect to see prices reach the 1400 range.  

Of course, an asset with a marketcap in the trillions is never going to experience any great deal of growth. Bitcoin has orders more magnitude of potential.

I will have 40:60, gold:bitcoin. But over the time, the bitcoin will crease in value much faster than gold, the ratio will change to 10:90.

You are right but when you are thinking about it long term its good to do it 50/50 because than you can make profit on both, and if you fail you can still make money with the other investment you have.
I think that is the best way to gain profit and get rich by investing in multiple things.

i was planning on the same thing, i wanted to invest some of my money in gold so i have a more reliable investment and have some profit but after looking at bitcoin and how the price is rising i decided against it cause i think the rise is so close now.

Its good to invest in the bitcoin and gold these days because they both will increase in the future, I'm pretty sure about that its just a matter of time.
If you invest in the gold you can do it for a long term and for the bitcoin for a short time so you can have two different investment ways that is pretty sweet right ?

Well you can, but i would go 70/30, since gold is pretty stable so i don't think that you will win something, while with bitcoin, risky but you can win alot

gold is a sure thing for investment and you will know that you can't lose so much if you invest in it.

but bitcoin has more risk that makes it more profitable, especially this year that there is a halving on the way.

so you might wanna change 50/50 to 80/20 on bitcoin.

Yeah, and its always good to diversify your investments as we don't know from which product we can get profit or loss, so its better that we invest in both of them.

Yes, because if one goes down atleasy other will bring you money, and if both will go up, then you will win alot

You are right and I think its pretty smart if you ask me because you can than gain a lot of profit at the end with them both.
You can do them both long term or one short term (btc) and one long term(gold), I think that would be much better to do in my opinion.

I will say 20% gold and 80% bitcoin. Gold is just a hedge against inflation, it will not rise in value in real terms.

It depends, Gold is being seen as safe haven by some people. Especially now people only receive around 0.5-0.7% interest on their savings accounts.  People are looking for ways to spread their money. Gold is very popular in that aspect.

yeah but it's not going to have the potential for skyrocketing like bitcoin can have in the future, at best it can reach again its prime($2k)

the marketcap of gold is already so big that i don't see any real improvement for the long term

I would say that the "real improvement" term is actually suitable for Gold and definitely not to any crypto currency.The fake pumps might be profitable to the people and might also be good for the coin but is obviously pre-planned.

Even if bitcoin doubles or triples its price, there could be some whales who can destroy any time they want which isn't possible for Gold.Stability is way too important than pumps.If its savings then i would invest more towards stable stuff.

indeed, no matter how high the bitcoin price is, whales/early adopters can change that within a few minutes. the higher the price is, the weaker the support gets. for example: right now if you support the price with a $1,000,000 buy order, which translates into around 2380btc, it will be a decent, but not very strong support. if the price is $2000, then the $1,000,000 buy order translates into 500btc, which can be sold through in a second. whales that keep holding their coins will end up getting even more control over the price than they have now.

i would say differently as bitcoin price is fluctuating a lot these days and no one knows if you will not have a huge loss because of that

if i were in your shoes i would most probably go 80 per cent gold and 20 on bitcoin because the walls of buy price are really small right now

It's expected that both Gold and Bitcoin will going highest prices soon, so i think it's profitable nowadays to invest with gold and BTC

Yes this is true, so its good to invest them both, also the fact you can use them as a sort of backup if one fails.
I think they will both succeed with profit on a long term.

well bitcoin will live for long i think, no idea why should it die in 10 next years, will rise probably only

and with gold/BTC, gold is stable while bitcoin is not, so going 50/50 on gold and bitcoin might be great idea, it's pretty safe so you won't lose a lot of money if something bad will happen

I really do not like gold it has maintained a strong image for a well but I think it will fade,I know Canada has totally dropped its gold reserve.
This seems to be a trend as we move forward,nothing wrong with owning a bit but total investment seems crazy.

Would put a bit in oil and I know that sounds like it goes against what I stated with gold but I see a rebound coming. It may dip again but say 1-2 years it should be back to $80 CAD per barrel. Currently 38 I believe after being down to 26.

Not even going to lie, selling off all the gold was the single most retarded thing that I've seen yet. If I remember it was a move to finance the campaign promises, and they still have to dip into another deficit instead of just backing off and having people wait.

I for sure would invest in oil, skip gold, and invest in Bitcoin when it hits a low point. There seems to be a bit of sliding with the market right now, though, so it might not be worth investing at this very moment.

yeah, i think i would take the risks as i believe in bitcoin and i hope that the price one day will sky rocket and every holder will become rich in small period of time

thats why im not spending any of my coins and i save it up in my cold storage, though it would be a huge loss for me if there will not be a price increase

Well it is always wise to diversify your investment. With bitcoin you can potentially earn a lot but potentially lose a lot too.
I for one spread it like this 1/3 savings, 1/3 bitcoin 1/3 stocks.

I think holding bitcoins nowadays would be a profitable idea, especially it's expected that the Bitcoin's price will increase soon after halving.

Yeah but its always good to invest your money into multiple products, bitcoin is looking good at a moment but we are not sure what would be the scenario in future, so its good if we invest our money in both of them.

I am agree with you, in fact we cant for sure pretend what's going to happen exactly in our future, so the safest way to invest in buying both Bitcoins and Gold and this way we minimize the risk.

Do not lesson Kaiser he is Putin troll in any investment diversification is importent
gold is safe and gold input decrease do not lesson shit about btc halving
swiss frank can be good also thay will move away from negative rates but it is for saving
now to gain is gold btc is always risky better to not keep all money in btc
i will say keep btc but that pseudo devs are creating real danger

Its one of the best things you can do because the fact is that you can than make profit on both.
I would pick gold for a long term and bitcoin for a short term due to the halving.

with gold you're always making small profits if you compare it to bitcoin. bitcoin has a lot potential growth where the price may even reach a value of a few thousand per coin. with gold the profits are in the range of 10-50% where bitcoin can give you a minimum of 200-300% in the coming years.

no you shouldn't, you should go like 75% with bitcoin and 25% with gold because gold is stable while bitcoin isn't so with bitcoin you can win much more money then you could win from gold, also it have larger risk but you probably won't lose money with bitcoin

i agree, this is a much better solution for the time being. bitcoin is on the verge of a rise which can be a big rise leading to a rally so shifting the investment more into bitcoin is a better choice for bigger return.

Yeah with bitcoin you can get a much bigger gain than gold but the potential too loose your investment is more than in gold.

it depends. if you're a calm person with enough patience and not panic when there is a sell off, then you'll be just fine if you hold your coins for the long term. you don't lose anything until you sell your coins.

this personality is nessasary for anybody who wants to make and investment, doesn't matter what it is you should set some rules for yourself about when to buy and how much loss is acceptable for you before you are forced to sell and how much profit before you sell.

That is a good point to set some limit to yourself when doing trading,well investor can always go 50/50 its a safe way when trading in case you lost on one side the other side profit.

That is the right decision to make to diversify your investments in both the products, as both have potential to give us best returns on our investments.

When it comes to investment I have a safe setup:
25% goes into savings
25% goes into risky investments like bitcoin
50% goes to less risky investments like bonds or obligations from big companies and governements.

I will put the initial ratio to be 50:50. But I believe that the bitcoin price will be much higher, so it might end up with 99:01.

Good portfolio spread you have there. My portfolio looks like : 70% saving in my bank account and 30% in Bitcoin. If possible I would like to push my Bitcoin holdings from 30% to 40% this year. I also used to have stocks but I sold and have not bought any back as the stock prices are very high at the moment.

It is expected that BTC will rise significantly this year with the halving coming up, keep the BTC.

That is right. We will also have the block size increase in the next few weeks using the SegWit according to the forum comments.

Well because i like bitcoin more, i would choose bitcoin, main reason why, is that gold is pretty old now, and it's price last uears haven't change much, while look at price of bitcoin, it have huge potential so i would go 80% with bitcoin and only 20% gold

Yeah best thing to do go for both products and try to diversify your investments as nothing is guaranteed and anything is possible with your investments.

Yes, you have to go, as there is no bad in investing in both of these, both will benefit you, with gold you will have a long term trade and with bitcoin you will have a short term and long term both, but if you are expert in trade.

Yes do that since you are not putting all your investment into only one thing to depend on.
That is called getting diversified and that is what many bank people tell you to do so you can make more on your investments.

I diversify my cryto currency investment. I mine the Etheruem and convert most ethereum into Bitcoin.

I think you should add some Litecoin to your portfoglio in short term, if Bitcoin make new ATH Litecoin will follow!

50/50 crypto and PMs sounds reasonable to me.  I would say investing the same amount in both would be a good idea, but if you have lots of savings, you might want some less aggressive investments too, like stocks or other commodities or property.

Don't forget silver by the way, while the silver:gold price ratio is so high, Silver is worth investing in.

get silver instead

personally i have about 5% in silver and 95% in bitcoin.

yeah, not a balanced portfolio, but who cares, bitcoin all the way.

Though I'm considering buying another 20 oz of silver soon.

I think it is better to get the gold and the bitcoin. Gold is easier to store as the volume is smaller than silver.

Yeah gold is better than silver.. source of gold are decreasing and i think the price will increase more in the future..
And if you have 50/50 gold and bitcoin those investment is great and it will more valuable in the future..

That depends on you I do not invest in gold but only in Bitcoin so I do not know what to say about gold. I can only say that it would be a bad thing if you would invest in Bitcoin.

Gold & BTC: the perfect combo :D
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well that depends on how much money you have, if you have very large amounts of money, than silver is too cheap, but most people don't have so much money that that would be a problem

and in times of financial trouble, silver will increase in value more than gold.

Silver is also probably more undervalued than gold right now, so my advice is still silver.

It should be better if you are going to all in in Bitcoin and that is because Bitcoin will longer exist in the future so that is perfect also.
But you dont even know of course what will happen later with Bitcoin itself and that is the risky thing.

The choice is up to you if you want to invest in both then you should do it. But do not spend to much money because it is not sure that you are going to make money so take it easy.

According to recent bitcoin price performance, I think the bitcoin price will rise faster than the gold price.

That is not a bad idea because if one goes wrong you would still have the other one left that you can make money with. You will ahve to invest more time because you now invest in two instead of one.

Investing in both is good, but at this stage I would prefer only to invest in bitcoin as it can give me huge returns in quick time which is not possible with gold.

If you want to invest in both then that is your choice but I do not know much about gold. I think that I would only choose Bitcoin because 2 is just to much for me.

Gold is good in long run, but this is the moment to invest only in bitcoin only because of the upcoming halving event which will take the price of bitcoin to higher level giving best returns.

Yeah it is not a bad idea to invest in both of them because then you can make a profit at both of them and that is even better. Sow why not use both.

I guess it was not bad. You just need to be sure of what you want, maybe gold is a very good investment in the long term, whereas with bitcoin, you can benefit in a short time, but I guess it is a good plan

Its always good to invest in both of them as both are really good as an investment, one can take care of us in long term and other in short term which is best for any investor.

Diversifying your investment is the best thing you can do.
And to me Gold seems the next best thing after bitcoin.

In a way it is the same (mining) but also the exact opposite.
While bitcoin is very volatile and can be considered very risk. Gold seems to be a less risky asset and it has been there for ages. While bitcoin is very very new..

Both products have their own advantages and disadvantages and if you can afford to invest in both of them then that would be the best for you as any one of them will perform better in future.

this is only my opinion, but  personally, i would go 100% with bitcoins only, gold price is pretty stable now so i don't that you should invest there, better keep those bitcoins

because bitcoin is not stable these days at all and it's price will only rise in near future so i am sure that you will get lots of profit if you will have bitcoins when price will be very large

I think it is not bad to get 50/50 of bitcoin and gold as investment, but before doing that think more as the price of bitcoin s going to increase more and more and the gold will increase only a few percent.

Yes go on.  As what they say, " Do not put all your eggs in one basket".  We can never tell how long bitcoin will be on its height but gold has been around for how many years.  We know how much valuable bitcoin has been but there are other cryptocurrency that rising right now.  Or maybe you can part your 30 BTC into another investment.

I think that it is a pretty smart thing to do by investing in both gold and the Bitcoin. This way you have somewhat a better chance. if the one is not as good you can still rely on the other one.
So check it out for a bit and see of it really works. It does not hurt if you try it out.

Investing in both of them is really a smart idea, as we all know gold will surely give us good profits in long run, and bitcoin allows us to make quick profits, so both are good as an investment.

I dontthink that is a very stupid idea because you also need to use the cash because not everything can be bought with bitcoins so 5050 is not a quiet stupid idea.

Well, if Bitcoin lives up to what people are expecting from it, then Bitcoin will outperform any kind of investment by a huge margin. That's why I prefer Bitcoin over any kind of other investment options.

It is good to have diversity, but I would disproportionally allocate more of your capital to BTC. Just my opinion :) 

Bitcoin has an potential to take over the gold in future, the only thing its lacking at a moment is the support from the people and the fact is majority of people are still not aware about the bicoins.

To diversify is important when you are investing, especially if you have an risky asset like bitcoin for speculation.
However Bitcoin with another asset at fifty fifty still looks very risky to me.  I would either go for 30% bitcoin or less.

Suppose the projects fails you haven't lost much.

I think its better to split money on two parts and invest them in two different things. 30 BTC is a lot of money now, I think if you split it on 3 ways its even better. Gold is safe investment in my opinion, bitcoin is risky but it can jump higher then gold for sure, so third thing should be something risky like gambling or trading with alt coins.
You will have your 66 % safe, for me both things should be long term investments. With last part try to make some big hit, choose some good gambling game or alt coin with future and try to make a lot of money. 10 btc can be splited on 2 more parts, 5 gambling and 5 to altcoins.
I would do it like that!

If you have 50:50 for the bitcoin and gold now. And you do nothing in the next 10 years, it will be 90:10.

With some gold on Vaultoro and CAT (see my links) you can trade BTC/gold back and forth all the time in auto mode.
In 10 years you can have much more of the same.

Below is the gains from the session that I started today. Not bad for doing nothing, hm?

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Yeah try to invest more in gold as gold is the most trusted investment product across the globe which will surely give you some good returns in future, same thing doesn't apply to bitcoin as no one knows how long it will survive.

You should have good diversity of holdings in Bitcoin,gold and fiat.All these are necessary to be available according to situation.The ratio among all three depends on your way of life.May be you need not more fiat or you need it more.It is totally personally but I go for these three.

Its always an better option to diversify your investments as either of any will perform better in future which will allow you to make good profits and it will also reduce your risks.

I will store both gold and bitcoin and also some Ethrereum. The problem with ethereum is that it is in some kind of crisis.

I guess that's a pretty good strategy. you can use bitcoin to increase your income, while gold can you save in a very long time, I think the price will increase. whereas for bitcoin, you have to make it grow by means of trading.

Diversifying invest is always good, as it will also help in reducing risk and even one of them performs better in future then we can earn good profits.

whether with the verification will ensure that the investment will provide a profit might just make people feel safe because when investments are collapsing they can claim a compensation.

It's good to diversify. Bitcoin is definitely more risky than gold but also has a bigger potential for big profits. the balance of the two depends on how much risk you are willing to take. I suggest only invest in bitcoin an amount that you are willing to risk losing.

it is always a better idea to diversify and invest in multiple assets insteado of just one if you are looking for reducing the risks and losses but also diversification can mean less profit because gold is not as profitable as bitcoin so i wouldn't do a 50/50 but instead more in bitcoin.

For time being, you can go 50:50 with gold and bitcoin, but in 10 years, with the bitcoin price rise, the ratio will be 10:90.

i think even right now it is not worth to buy any gold, bitcoin is the gold of the future and its worth is going to go up a lot as people will be buying bitcoins really fast

Bitcoin has an potential to take over gold in future and it can shine better then gold in future so I would prefer to invest my money in bitcoin at a moment for better prospects.

If I am yoz I would better go gold/btc 0/100 because now I dont invest nothing in gold because bitcoin is groeing much faster and that growing will be increased really fast when shops starts to accept bitcoim everwhere.

Id be more with bitcoin depending on your own personal finances.

But since the countries that need it the most - it allows prices can go upwards depending on if the country is dire in need of it.

It has always been for me very difficult to understand this strange tendency of  some people to ask for this important questions on public forums. Maybe they are looking for a general consensus to decide what is more convenient for them at the moment of deciding how to invest their capital?

People will choose according to their convenience if they are comfortable with gold then they will go for it and if they think that bitcoin is better then they will invest in bitcoin.

Many investors in bitcoin also invest in gold and silver. Gold and silver does not give any interest, but there are thousands of years of history behind it. In the future there will be a need for both, and they will complement each other depending on what you need it for.

If you think the bitcoin price will rise a lot, it is better to allocate 70:30 with the ratio for the bitcoin:gold.

That is not a bad idea because then you can make money on both platforms which is somewhat better because you have then 2 sources of income.
So if you want to do it then do it I think that it is a good idea.

But the bitcoin is still in the early stages of development. It is still much more riskier than the gold.

So it is better to have 10:90 with bitcoin : gold. But I saw the Ethereum is also rising. so may be 10:10:80.

It seems a pretty good distribution of assets/personal wealth to go 50/50 with gold & bitcoin.

Anything that remotely holds value or has the potential to increase in value is better than shitty fiat bank interest rates, they are appalling at the moment.

50:50 is quite conservative. If you are a risk taker and want to be rich quick, it is better to allocate more bitcoin.

Definitely you should. The less btc you own the more secure your investments are. An exchange gets hacked out of nowhere and bitcoin meets the floor in instant. If you are selling your btc's without any loss, then it is a wise move to buy gold. Gold prices are the same with back in 2012 right now, which looks like a good deal to me.

If you hold the bitcoins in your own wallet, there is no risk of being hacked like what happened to the exchanges.

Yeah its always better to save bitcoins in your offline wallet as they are very safe and its not easy for anyone to hack or steal your coins from your wallet.

although creating an offline storage can be a little bit hard and time consuming especially if you want to do it on a linux (like what i did) and have little linix knowledge. but it is worth the time because it will save your funds in the end.

it is definitely the best idea, i would just buy all of the bitcoins possible and then just hold it all in my offline wallet what would allow me to make big profit

Right now gold seems to be on a tear, so what OP has proposed probably isn't a bad idea.  If he'd gone 50/50 he would have made money on both sides, because bitcoin and gold are higher.  Hindsight is great, isn't it?   Lol

yes it was a good choice, and not have to put a lot of money on bitcoin. but if just holding me think it's very safe and good enough to put a lot of money, except for investments.

Holding bitcoin for future is the safest way to make profits from it as holding doesn't involves any risks and you can sell it whenever you see  higher price in future.

Gold and bitcoin prices seem to be closely correlated, except btc moves way faster. I'm going with a setup with gold/stocks/btc to hedge my worth regardless of market movements.

I think it is a good idea to hold the bitcoin and gold 50/50. But the bitcoin price will rise faster, but it is riskier.

If you compare the profits from bitcoin and gold then I am sure bitcoin will give higher profits in compare to gold, and bitcoin will also take care in short term to make quick profits.

The bitcoin is much riskier than the gold, but it has more potential. For me, I can take the risk and invest more in bitcoin.

Buy low, sell high. Rule of thumb for every kind of trading that exists. Bitcoin might be risky, but a lot of the woes can be avoided and alleviated. As long as you manage your money and watch the market, the risk can be turned into value.

Its a decent investment strategy, but if I was young and I had no debt I would forget about gold and go all in on bitcoin, if you want to make it big you will not do that with gold.

That is right. If you are you and can take the risk, the bitcoin is a better choice. It will rise faster in the long term.

Yup and bitcoin will also allow you to make higher profits in compare to gold as everyone is hoping that price will even touch to $10k in future so if you have descent amount of coins saved then you can get best returns.

Bitcoin’s got an enormous upside. It seems to be moving just smoothly  than gold. So it is good to collect as many bitcoin so that you can make good profits in future.

Bitcoin is getting more popular day by day, and people who are using bitcoin at a moment will continue to invest their money into as future price will allow them to make some really good profits from it.

I agree with that. There are more bitcoin infrastructure development and more people are using the bitcoin.

The only people that are making money from gold are the guys like Peter Shilft or whatever is called, that hoard and pump it for years and have big business in selling gold to people.

We cannot say bitcoin is too popular at a moment but definitely its growing and getting popular with a higher pace and once people will be aware about it they will prefer to invest in bitcoin.

everyone has a different opinion, but I think it is a very good thing to do, especially if you like the investment in the short and long term. Well, bitcoin can realize investment in the short term you want, and gold can realize an investment in a long time, and I think it will really bring benefits in the future

Yeah and its always good to diversify the investments and invest in both of them to minimize the risks as bitcoin can give3 us profits in short term and gold will always be there in long run.

naah, just go with bitcoin and nothing in gold, that would be the best option to do in my opinion because the bitcoin price will grow so you will make money

i do agree that bitcoin is by far the better investment option compared to gold, but people keep sticking to gold as they see it as last resort currency when fiat has no value anymore. it's quite a doom scenario, but some people think it might happen at some point.

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But the fact is people are not aware about other investment options apart from gold especially with bitcoins, as not many are aware about it and that is an major issue.

Other investment option could be stocks. But the stocks price is too high at the moment. They will decline soon.

Bitcoin is a great alternative for people looking to invest in something different, but the altcoin market is full of empty promises as the majority of the altcoins dry out within 6 months. It's basically a gamble to put money in altcoins. Bitcoin is already risky, but risk that altcoins have is simply too high for traditional investors.

In my view, bitcoin is best than gold, because it is depend where you are living, actually in my country gold has a normal value, also you can see in Arab countries, gold price is not too much high, it is normal and a huge peoples are doing gold business because in these countries are full of gold, so thats why i will never refer to gold into Bitcoins, also bitcoin is easiest earning way instead of gold.

It is always good policy to have multiple holdings so 50/50 in gold and Bitcoin is really good. We don't know how things will unfold in future as we are living in most uncertain era of our times. New new things are knocking at our door whereas gold is all times most trusted asset. We can not predict nothing better do diversity in investment. I also have little gold and few bitcoins along with fiat reserves.

my suggestion is not to go 50/50 with bitcoin and gold but instead spread this 100% among multiple investments.

these can be bitcoin for sure, gold since you like it in this topic and we are all taking about it and also because it is one of the oldest and most reliable investments, altcoins if you are interested in them they are good investments, and in the end stock market if you are into that.

this way the risk is lower while the profit is the highest.