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OPTION 4 - (WILL BE MANUALLY UPDATED HERE ACCORDING TO THE POSTS IN THE THREAD)

Option 4 = I THINK IT'S OKAY TO BE CHARGED 3000% MORE FOR IOTA than ico prices.


If you want to vote option 4 then post in the thread you want to go for option 4.


Sadly I had to reset the poll because people were NOT following the rules. It was not designed for iota owners to say they thought it was okay to sell iota for 3000% to other people who missed the ICO. People were voting and not posting on the thread. Now if peope want to vote in favour of paying 3000% need just post on the thread that you think it's okay. I will manually update it and add votes to option 4.



CURRENTLY 31 OUT OF 75 VOTERS CONSIDER IOTA A SCAM!! - let's help them change their image and be fair to everyone. NXT2 is not allowed.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1393703.120


If you vote no  and you  don't mind paying 3000% over ICO then make sure add comment and post that you voted that way in the thread so we can see you're not already an I Own Tons Assholes  hoarder already. You meant to voting you don't mind investing at 3000% ico price not that you want others to give you 3000% interest on your BTC..

Do you remember NXT - you know the coin that was sold to a handful of people for NXT to nothing?? 21btc for the entire amount of NXT

They then sold it to you guys for millions and millions of dollars (1000's  X THE PRICE OF THE ICO)

Cool idea hey?

Now they have always been accused of terrible initial distribution  on this board. This board is all us crypto folk have. I don't blame them for not going out in the world and forcing people that don't know what crypto or even bitcoin is into giving them their USD for a share. That is unreasonable and unrealistic. However, surely they could have done a little better with the distribution than just a handful of different people. (We think they were different people anyway because they have different usernames on this board)

Time passes and not many people were involved in crypto back then...compares to now....


Now years later the same people involved with NXT want to try it all over again. They maybe dumped all those NXT tokens and want more of your BTC.


OK here comes IOTA. Seemingly great idea almost like NXT something - ahead of it's time.

This time though they surely won't try and keep it all for a very very small selection of this board. I mean they wouldn't for instance have such a small group of investors that they can again try and sell it to you for example 1000X  THE PRICE OF THE ICO.

I MEAN WE WOULD NEVER FALL FOR THAT AGAIN WOULD WE???

NOT BY  THE VERY SAME PEOPLE???


This is i believe exactly what I think they are gearing up to do. It is not even out and they want  30X ico and the pumping and hysteria has not set in yet.

They will tell you as all those who want to have 1000X their investment will tell you . That you are complaining because you did not get any!! You're butthurt and sour grapes.

THEY ARE 100% correct.

But you have reason to be. This was not like you had a reasonable chance to invest and chose not to.

Do you think you missed this ICO because you don't like the idea of IOTA?
DO you think you missed this ICO because you just didn't notice IOTA?
It's your fault right??


Wrong - if you are regular on this board you WILL see IOTA being pumped and pumped and pumped very soon.  You won't be allowed to miss the PUMP i can assure you.


If you are running an ICO on this board you will more than likely follow 1 of the 2 possible scams options.


1. The good tech scam - like nxt has desirable innovation.

The  Insta - ICO.

Quick mention - kept to their thread little or nothing on main board (in nxt day there was only the main board)
You will get no pumping during the ICO at all. You will not hear pumping from the few investors or devs. You will miss it if you are not searching for it. There will be no open ledger of investors like with NEM or any of those.

Now that the ICO is over and the tokens are concentrated in say 1% or less of the board members hands the pumping can start. Even better if it's not on exchange. The longer the tokens are kept off of the exchange the better especially if the hype may be larger than the product can deliver. Keep pumping with minimal release from the few hoarders.

Soon you can demand and establish a crazy price. Already IOTA is 3000% higher than ICO and not even released. I discuss the token only not the internet of things promised that apparently depends upon successful completion of a processor beyond the scope of intel and amd.

If the intial distribution was fair and everyone had a reasonable chance to buy in at ICO like they claim. Then how it is that now they can charge 3000% more? Did a lot of people suddenly have a change of heart?? didn't want to buy for 30x less but now they do? very strange since it's not out.

This is NOTHING. 3000% is not enough no.....they will have you pay 100000% if they can.

The pump hasn't even started yet. Be ready.


2. The NO tech scam

the second kind of ICO scam is where there is no tech nor innovation and the pump is during the ICO after all these people want lots of investors they are not hiding to hoard. They want BTC directly and now not later on. There is no later on their product is a sham. They get the BTC now and run.


Should we all have a fair chance to invest?

Should we advertise the ICO in sig campaigns and give rewards for face book and twitter to get some real good distribution going?

Since we are unsure of the people running it should the second ICO funds be held by in multi sig accounts by well know escrows and released to the IOTA team as they progress and launch a working product??


I Own Tons Assholes.

I had a chat with CFB in another thread where he mentioned the use of purchased hero BTT accounts.

I mentioned that I thought it could be possible that even the few accounts that did enter the IOTA ico could have been purchased. I mean these could be owned by just one person. Imagine reducing the distribution from tiny to miniscule.

Expecting him to say that would be terrible right ?? at least pretend that this kind of thing would not be good for the project??

He replied to me it would make no difference because BTT was not important???


The only way they can pull a NXT on you all again and force you to pay millions for what each of them paid 1000x less is if you let them release it with this kind of distribution and buy it for the levels they can dictate by totally controlling the supply.

Vote to have a 2nd ICO with funds held by escrows - I have no issue with them having more funds if they bring tech worth paying for at a reasonable level. Not being shafted by their crafty stealth insta ico into a NXT2 situation though.

Vote and have your say. However keep to the facts and don't make personal insults.

We are discussing the fair advertising and release of a second ICO.

If you think the distribution should be widened and would like to have a fair opportunity to invest at a reasonable level not 3000% higher... then vote for a second ICO.



After voting I would like to invite you to discuss things we can do on BTT to ensure wider  distribution and just all round fair play on this board.



If you vote no  and you  don't mind paying 3000% over ICO then make sure add comment and post that you voted that way in the thread so we can see you're not already an I Own Tons Assholes  hoarder already. You meant to voting you don't mind investing at 3000% ico price not that you want others to give you 3000% interest on your BTC..



Please in the discussion keep to topic and no swearing and profane language else it will be deleted. You should be able to express yourself without that.

wha?

This coin hasn't even reached the exchanges yet.  Wait until there is some liquidity, the price will come down.  What you are hearing is hype. 5 desparate guys trading in a very illiquid environment.  General economic theory at work here.

strange I see 3 votes for

I would pay 3000% but i see no posting here of 3 people??

must be owners of IOTA I guess. If not post who you are when you vote, if you vote for option 2 - that you want to pay 3000%

 So after begging, and begging, and starting new topics that were... you guessed it..... begging for Iota to have a second ICO, now you call it a scam.

Pathetic

Begging and suggesting can be confused. I can only try and help the IOTA ico seem to make an effort at some kind of fair distribution at ico price not 3000% mark up. I tried to help them seem less scammy after reading the poll results showing 50% classed IOTA as a scam already before release.

Oh how kind of you .... did you vote?

It seems the other (I Own Tons Assholes  owners) people who voted they wanted to by at 3000% for some reason rather than pay 30x (seems unreasonable) didn't want to leave their names.

I wonder why?

Please keep replying here on this thread. I'd like to keep you talking to me on here all day.

Yes we know
We know how confused you are

The funny thing is this thread confirms that most think it's a scam from the nxt people. Nobody thinks its okay to demand 3000% who will put their name to the poll. The rest want a 2nd ICO. Ha!

You are surely anti iota. Who else would bump this thread other than someone trying to destroy the project before it's off the ground.?

Come on be gentle on them. Let them continue scamming in peace on their own thread.

Now I've explained this to you you'll surely not post on this thread again will you?? I mean you were just confused and didn't understand this thread looks very bad for iota?

@cryptohunter
Have you bought Iota at Ico?

If searching for gold/ gems would be easy, everybody would do it and it would not have value.

Nobody is going to spoonfeed you information, the Ico was 1 month on BCT, lot's of time, totally transparant.

Investing in general and especially investing in crypto is a risk. Never invest more than you are willing to loose.

I agree, the ICO was there all of us know about it. Actually this argument is pretty much the same as in the case of NXT. The NXT ICO was open, it was here for a long time but only twenty some people was interested enough to invest some BTC in it. During the beta testing they also gave away a lot of NTXs for testers, for a while it was also sold between 100-300 sats here on BTT. When it later went to the moon a big bunch of people started accusing them with ninja launch and talking about fair distribution.

Look no amount of twisting can help here. Unless that is you want all ico to be given to 21 apparently different people??

A lot of people think ICO should be banned full stop. Is it because they missed out on ICO's that didn't even happen yet??

NO. They and everyone here knows how easy it is to rig an ICO here with no regulation and no transparency. There is no way to know who or what amount is bought. The only way to try and ensure it is not totally gamed by the devs is to ENSURE maximum advertising is done to give everyone a fair chance and taking part.

If it was mining you are arguing for the launch not to be advertised in advance with super instamining low diff at the start and a very short mining period. Doesn't sound fair to me. If that sounds fair to you then that's okay.


POW with strict guidelines is the only fair method of distribution. ICO are so open to be gamed and now you are saying that the only method we have to ensure they are not totally gamed is not important.

NXT - well yes back then asking for an entire btc was prohibitive to the uptake in the project. If you wanted distribution  why not say 0.1 BTC? probably get a hell of a lot more than 21 btc total and more distribution. They over did that and the initial hoarders knew they had to give it out a bit to others or nobody would bite at all.

You seem to be going to a lot of trouble to defend this project for someone not invested in it. So far your defence seems lacking.

Tell me now you want to pay 3000% for something not even released, not even sure it's going to function. No clear set in stone benefits. Based on iota super processor that looks to others very unlikely. Others now probably going to be first to market with zero transaction fees. You tell me you want to pay it even though you didn't choose to invest but knew all about it. Okay well you can tell me these things but I'm not sure if you are just kidding or not.

@cryptohunter
Please answer this one simple question:
Did you buy Iota?


1 whole BTC OH NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! This is outrageous!!

Bollocks. PoW isn't fair at all. A few guys with serious mining gear will grab the majority of the coins and then they can manipulate the market at will. What's the difference, if big miners or big ICO investors playing God on Polo and Trex?


When NXT started back in 2013 summer BTC was somewhere around $60-80 but even during early autumn it was something barely above $100 (it exploded in the second part of october and in november) that's doesn't seem to me very restrictive. Most of us were simply more interested in quick profits on LTC clones or on other crap, and by the time NXT exploded it was to late to jump on board.


To be honest I just simply don't like if butthurt people complaining about unfairness after not reading the ANN topics. BTW unlike in the case of NXT I've intentionally missed this ICO as I think it will follow the same path as NXT: good innovation -> zero marketing -> sink.
I'll go for a clone with proven good marketing folks around :).

Even a snail will come out of it's shell if it has enough motive it seems. Really all this battle because you don't like people being "butthurt and sour grapes" But really come on must we talk as children. Let's not focus only on our own personal likes and dislikes..

How can you even start to say POW can be as gamed as ICO. That is really silly. Try again please.

Here is POW

1 announced ahead of time and advertised launch time and date with wallets in zipped rars
2. low block reward to start
3. fast scaling diff
4. long mining period.

Tell me again how this is open to gaming like your ico with no regulation, no transparency. It's quite strange that you would even suggest it. Nobody knows who invested , what they invested , if devs just sent a load of btc to themselves a few times, it's a complete closed door behind which anything could be taking place.


The smaller and less known about the ICO is the far easier it is to game.

You've released some coins in the past right? what were they again?

(You are wrong about NXT - i jumped on board. I still hold all the cheap nxt I bought the day after the sale. I collect coins I don't often sell.)
Doesn't stop me saying it's a scam. I probably hold more nxt that you have ever done.

How about 6000%. Why is NXT scam? You don't believe in POS? You missed that too. NXT is still alive and kicking. I heard ETH intends to switch to POS :), and now these is suddenly best feature ever. Did you know that thanks to NXT  we have XEM, Crypti, Burst, QORA, Wave....  LISK is nothing but Crypti without main developer. Good luck with that.

OK fair enough :).


Well, how can I say that? Maybe because of experience? Using PoW as distribution method is of course a different approach, but you will end up with the same results as in the case of an ICO. Actually because of the limited availability the "pump price" will be higher. Can you remember the initial AUR pump, or the huge LTC pump and dump in 2013-2014? Several very fairly distributed (given away like COMM, or C2 and some others) went on the same path. After the distribution people dumped it for BTC a few people bought it in large quantities for 0.1 btc per stake (1million coin), pumped it to 200-300 sats and then dumped the coin down under 10 sats.

thanks, let's talk as adults and just deal with reason, logic and the facts.


1.The POW model as I described it can not realistically be easily dominated by any person or without them expending = energy per coin as anyone else. If it can then not in a great way. Your example still does not counter the version of POW I put forward. Not anywhere near the extent of an ico with no regulation or transparency. One person especially with a small ico say 50 people or 100 people could easily find numerous ways to get HUGE percentages of the total minting. Especially if it has no POW. Even a large ICO with no transparency at all the dev could take a lot of the minting there are many ways. Sending BTC to his own dev pot, making false accounts etc etc.

2. "Several very fairly distributed (given away like COMM, or C2 and some others) went on the same path. After the distribution people dumped it for BTC a few people bought it in large quantities for 0.1 btc per stake (1million coin), pumped it to 200-300 sats and then dumped the coin down under 10 sats."

The difference is. They had the choice. They had a choice to sell. The coins were fairly distributed to them. They owned those coins. They chose to give them away for nothing.

ICO - stealth insta ico = no choice to get coins.
ICO - huge advertised but run off with funds and no tech = no choice to get coins

ICO in crypto = turkey shoot for the devs.

Only hope for ICO = make it huge advertise advertise advertise it. Get everyone looking at it. The more real people buying in the harder for the devs to control it all. Add POW as a stage of the distribution.

NEM even listed share holders publically so you can see how many shares they had. Yes probably some sock puppets etc but far far harder for them to game it when public with ledger.

small ico = to easy to game.

Look at nas = entire minting to like 9 people. How is that coin alive. It was recently pumped to top 20?

Iota is not the worst out there. But they did it already with nxt. Time to bring in some more fair ICO or go back to POW.

You are confused.

1. NXT is a type 1 ico scam.

Type one have decent tech. CFB is not stupid. NXT tech is good it is still here.

We are not discussing the tech we are discussing the intitial distribution methods.

I am not as yet saying IOTA token is fake tech - although yes it is untested out there in the wild with lots of users. There have already been critics regarding certain areas of this concept.

I am saying the ICO was not advertised enough, it was fast, it is now being deliberately held up so coins are captive from the vast open market whilst they pump up hysteria here so 3000% is the expect price when it does go to exchange.

Get it on exchange let us see if it works well, then get something behind it solid to pump it about.

Because you didn't invest in profitable projects doesn't make it a scams.
The crypto ecosystem we are in is still in a experimental stadium.
Some project work, some don't but we learn and create 2.0, 3.0 etc.

My main interest is keeping up with the tech and what can be achieved, and I am also not against making some money.
Nxt early investors are millionairs, good for them, stop whining about it. If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.

whining...butthurt...sour grapes....jelly belly....

the three most common phrases used to describe anyone who questions the validity/legitimacy of a coin distributed only to 0.001% of the board whilst being touted as fair distribution.

Are you unable to process information?

As far as I know there are several PoW coins are out in the wild what used the same four principles what you described above (none of those were p&d proof) but indeed the miners were able to get it for the electricity price and had the choice to dump or hold. Also, more transparency around the ICOs would be really good. But actually with an ICO everybody have the choice to invest or not, dump or hold, however some forward thinking is needed.

Anyway I still think CfB is a very good programmer with unique ideas and great expertise, but very little sense for marketing and achieving big publicity for his coins. You see, he shared all necessary info in an ANN thread, he also made an ICO thread with all the needed information, and then nothing else just coding :). Personally I like more this approach than the "American style" all singing, dancing and shilling ICO/launch campaigns what we can see here, but as I have to think about my pocket too this attitude doesn't make his coins attractive for me. So, while  my "engineer myself" keep praising his work, my "greedy pig myself" will go for something else with better marketing :).

Well what can they do if 99.999% of the board doesn't care about the project. Like yourself for example, you knew about the crowdsale yet didn't participate. What they should've done more to distribute to you too? Would a sig spam campaign have done it?

Let's get it straight that I didn't know about the crowd sale. When I commented in the thread everyone who asked about the sale of tokens was told not to even ask or talk about the sale. It was like the project was going to be in the very distant future. By the time I'd checked back on it it was done and over.
Also we should be discussing it with regard the bigger picture - like everyone on the board. I'm not sure why you'd fixate on one persons experience rather than discussing the protocols that could ensure fairer and better opportunity for everyone on the board both devs and investors.

The fact is  that the smaller the ico the easier it is to game it. All icos should be advertised to the max using all possible advertising methods on here for as long as possible. There is no good reason not to do it for both the devs to get more development funds and for the board to give greater chance to research and invest.

If you can think of any good reason not to advertise the ico through sigs and social media then sure present your case.

Looks like you missed the big fat Sale thread Link in the OP of  the main IOTA thread, it can happen.

With an ICO people only have the choice to invest or not if they know about the ico. Hence why max effort to advertise is required. Also that does not stop the devs being able to buy their own to keep more of it or just to make it look like there are many investors or even just run with the funds.

It's fine if you don't like the all singing dancing shilling ICO. That's not the point though. It is surely harder for the devs to manipulate or retain a greater % of the minting the larger the ICO gets. Especially if done like NEM where you see the username and how much they have bought. Because the dev would need to create thousands of sock puppets to get 50% and inject thousands of BTC himself to get 50% but if there were only 10 people 5 sock puppets and a few btc would do it. So advertise it well let it run for as long as possible make it transparent as possible and add POW. There you have a far better ICO. Still not as good as POW though.

It was not there when I commented on the thread. Please re read what I said. At that point even asking about the sale was not permitted.

The strangest thing about those that invest in tokens of  questionable repute is that they lose all perspective. They will blindly argue for things that are obviously wrong like more advertising of an ICO and wider distribution and more development fund is a bad thing.

They will bump threads that are negative for their token over and over fighting over a point that is a just common sense.

I locked the other thread down so that Iota can get back to stealth mode on their ann in peace but still they chose to bump a thread that had gone to the second page. It is very strange. It is like they want more and more people to have opportunity to mull over the fact that Iota was not advertised through the main board, sigs, avatars, social media at all before or during ....but now see that the main board, sig and avatars are being used to pump and advertise it greatly now the ico is over.

I can't seem to find what you are talking about, can you point me to this discussion? I only see this:


the next posts of you are from AFTER the sale, so where again were you asking about it?

That's what I'm saying it was after the sale when I came back.

The problem here is that you are trying somehow to focus on me and divert from the point in question did the ico advertise enough or last long enough?

You can't seem to understand that we are discussing the ICO advertising methods in general can you?

This is why it is obvious that you know that theICO was too stealth and too quick.

Go back and re- read the thread.

The smaller the ICO the easier it is to manipulate for the devs. The larger and more advertised it is through sig campaigns, social media, the main board etc....the harder it is to game. If you don't see why then think about it.

So therefore ICO's should not hide in their ann thread then as soon as the ico is over come to the main board and use it to pump the coin whist a few people from the ann thread hold it captive and ransom it off for 3000%

It does not matter at all if 1 person was told 100000x a day about the crowd sale and didn't buy the token. It does not change the fact that a small ICO is easier to game does it. Besides your point that I may have missed a link on the OP when I came back to the thread means nothing. I never check again the OP if i have already read the thread to a certain point.

It is pointless to try to divert the conversation to one about my personal experience with this Ico since it is about the protocol of ICO in general. Was enough done to advertise it and was it long enough considering the lack of advertising compared to other ICO like Nem, Eth, maid or lIsk. no is the answer.

The only people voting no its okay i would buy at 3000% are iota holders and the only people arguing that a stealth ico or one that does not use advertsing methods freely and easily available to them on this board and it;s then okay to pump after ico using those same methods are Iota holders. As they are the only people that will argue that black is white to protect their investment when really they know they are saying anything to get out with 3000% scam profits. There is no logic nor reason to their argument.

If there is reason to why you are saying don't advertise your ICO outside of the ann until after the ICO is over then please feel free to post your argument so we can assess it.

But that's what this is all about. You're saying that you weren't allowed to talk about the sale, which is not true. There was a big fat sale thread sign in the OP. Everyone talked about the sale.

AFTER the sale you appear and start talking about why the hell there is no second ICO. How could you miss it? I mean you were apparently interested before and posted before in the main thread, why did you not follow the project?

No this is not about that. But obviously i did miss it like probably 99% of the board. Do you see the title saying should cryptohunter have free IOTA because he missed it? NO it says should IOTA have a second crowdsale for ALL people that missed the first crowdsale due to it not being mentioned on the main board with no sig campaigns and no social media. Should ALL persons who are just finding out about it now due to pumping on the main board, sigs and avatars have a chance at a second Ico.



This is about not letting NXT2 iota get away with it again. Else there will be NXT 3 and NXT4.

It is about what i wrote above

1. was the ico advertised on the main board, sig avatars etc (pumped through those mediums) only after the ICO  = yes. So should EVERYONE just finding out about it now have a chance. I would put should that have a second chance but since they probably never knew about it before it is their first chance.

Make if more fair like eth, maid, nem , lisk.

See ? starting to get it. It's not about opportunity for me personally. It is about everyone. You're only thinking about yourself hence why you dont want there to be a second ico and hence why you are arguing that the ico was fine as it was and no need to make it fairer like all the other big ico I mention above.

Sig campaigns
- are annoying
- make a lot of people hate whatever you're selling

Social media advertisement
- marketing to people who don't understand that there is a possibility these systems won't even work at all and who don't even understand what they would be buying would be very irresponsible



Because there was a separate thread dedicated for the sale and they wanted to stay on topic for that thread?

1 - the sig campaigns worked out great for lisk which raised nearly 20x times what iota did. Or maybe it was the main board which iota forgot about who knows?

2. social media -Hard to say how much that contributed to lisks ico... no advertising can really be classed as negative though.

3. main board??? you left that out? is that only for pumping after the ICO?


No there was no serparate thread dedicated at that time i posted. That must have come after. Again I don't wish to focus only on my experience. Let's examine the bigger picture for everyone on the board.

Aye. majority of your poll thinks that the ICO is ok as it is.

IOTA threads on the main board before/during the sale (search for more if you're interested):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1233568.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1216553.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1273040.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1271872.0

also nobody has voted for 2 yet that will put their name to the vote - obviously all iota holders.

You make no sense at all...

I'm sorry you don't understand

option 2 - if you vote option 2 your are meant to comment on the thread that you voted option 2. That is because the poll is not there for iota holders to vote that they think it's good for people to buy their iota for 3000% mark up.It is only iota holders voting for option 2 because they don't want to leave their name on the thread.

Does that help?

was it not over before dec? what dates did it run for ? 26 days? from when?

I even placed this in the German Mass-Media (eigentümlich frei) at the 29th of November please check also the picture... :
http://ef-magazin.de/2015/11/29/7999-iota-vorverkauf-bereits-gestartet

I also wrote several articles about the ICO including an Interview with David, everything before or during the ICO:
https://altcoinspekulant.wordpress.com/category/iota/

So I really tried to get people involved and was successful. There have been several investors that are invested because of my coverage.

You are all over the place. Your logic is flawed, unless you have clairvoyant capabilities to know who is voting what.

Cryptohunter stop hating on people gainzz man, stop being jealous and mean. Polls in this forum are non but spammed by a small group who have like 5 account each or even more.

I'd hate to bring you to my house if I ever get rich probably you would be hating on me because of that as well...

Edit : I did not vote btw because It doesn't matter what I do here people will still do what ever they want and I can not stop them from doing what they want.

I think you are missing the point of debating whether or not the ICO was too short lived and not advertised well enough. Your wealth or lack of is totally  unimportant to this thread.

You maybe have no idea of how these unregulated ICO's are operating on here. 

Butthurt. Trying so so hard with empty accusations. ICO was honest, it lasted enough, there was very informative site about it. I can't tell how many IOTAs were bought "in-house", but I do know there were big investors which came from aside.

Crypto-space is in big big expansion, no wonder there are investors which are easily gamble with 10s and 100s of Bitcoins, they are mostly early Bitcoin adopters. And right now, the space is thirsty for Bitcoin replacement because Bitcoin is so in turmoil I personally don't believe it will stay alive in long term. So people push their funds to any project with are having such a good appeal as IOTA is, no wonder ICO was pretty successful both in terms of how many people entered and how many they invested.

Also I don't see why NXT is a scam. I wasn't personally involved, but what we have here is pretty good looking and functional P2P system, fact there were too small number of initial investors doesn't make it a scam if the product delivered was good enough for price skyrocketing. But I'm not butthurt about it, if I look back I could've been billionaire with all the chances I missed but I never had such a strong urge to make empty accusations. Please come with something more persuading, like some real evidence, not that empty shit about how ICO was intentionally stealth. Actually, EVEN if it was intentionally stealth - that doesn't make it a scam!

I agree with you on the transparency and publicity of ICOs but partly disagree on mining. With PoW eventually you will end up with the very same results, only the way what goes there is somewhat different. IMO PoW isn't better as most (smalltime) miners are forced to sell for getting a return on their mining investments.

Anyway I still don't think that CfB intentionally neglected widespread advertisement on the forum, because of he wanted to grab most of his coins.

"Actually, EVEN if it was intentionally stealth - that doesn't make it a scam!"


OH.. okay. So slowly the acceptance of it being stealth is creeping in.

Yes, it does make it a scam now that it is now stealth turns to pumping for 3000% profit.

That's like say an intentionally stealth POW release isn't a scam. It isn't a scam if you say we want all the coins so we can pump whilst we control all the supply a dump it on you for huge profits before releasing our next stealth release NXT 3.

Your just sad you didn't invest when you had the chance.
Make a note to yourself: Check altcoin ann thread at least once a week.   8)

Stop trying to divert and make it all about me. It is a broader topic here concerning the ICO and ICO's  in general. If you have something to add with regards the points being made previously comparing well advertised and broadlty distributed vs small ICO with narrow distribution then feel free to make your point and compare them on the thread.

It should not be essential to check threads once a week or you miss the ICO. eth, maid, nem, lisk, even bitbay  all gave you the dates of the ICO well before and advertised a lot more previous and during. Resulting in a much broader distribution. This is the discussion not trying to diver that to a single experience of one person.

Keep to topic.

That's a lot of typing for something that won't change. Good luck.

You are giving your personal opinion on how Ico's should be run, I'm just saying I have a different opinion and think you are sad you missed it.

Haha @cryptohunter, now you distorted the poll even more! Good one.
Wait I'll make a poll for you:

Cryptohunter:
a) has an agenda against iota and wants to give it a bad name with no arguments to back it up.
b) missed the ico which was his own fault and now hates iota because he is not rich.
c) is a paid shill

Seems as fair as your poll. Which option do you choose?

No- the poll rules were not followed. Out of 17 people that were meant to post that that they voted for the old option 2  guess how many posted ??

17? nope

14 ? nope

5 ? nope

0? YES - I wonder why that was. One could guess because they were all iota holders :)


Now try again. This time follow the rules of the OP the poll is fair. If everyone wants to vote for a stealth ICO where everyone else pays 3000% inflation a few weeks later they are free to do so. I will list their vote down as option 4.

Seems to me you haven't vote yet?

Let me take your vote now ?

Re read the thread. I am simply stating a fact that a small ico is easier to manipulate than a giant one where 1000's of people partake. This is not a personal view this is simply as fact unless you want to give me a reason why you believe it is not.

LISK just raised around 20x what iota did. Why because iota token (iota ico controller) said they did not waste money on cheesy advertising. Ha, well so instead of that they decided to raise 20x less. This is quite simply as case of failure to raise funds (not a great indication for the future) or simply a deliberate case of under selling the ICO so you have oversell and pump it now that nobody has any apart from a very tiny tiny % of the board.

Either way it's not good.

Let's bring back POW and some decent release guidelines. Or at least part POW part ICO that is widely advertised. No more sneaky hoarding all the coins for a few people to ransom to others for 3000% behind the closed veil of under advertised ico's.

Of course. Let me see, where is the option: I do not own iotas and think the ico was fair?
Or: I think the ico was transparent, but it's over so you have to buy at market price?
Or: Its cryptohunters fault that he did not invest.

i cannot find out anything about IOTA ICO. i was mildly interested in the idea and probably would have thrown a tiny amount at the ICO, but i found nothing on their site.

- where can i find ANY info on IOTA ICO?
- how much was raised in IOTA ICO?
- over what time period did IOTA ICO occur?
- what is the current supply/price of IOTAtoken?
- where is IOTA traded?
- wtf can u do with IOTA?
- is IOTA a rebranded clone of an existing coin (ie a scam) designed to fleece the dumbest people who wanna invest in IoT?

given the name and the sleazy ICO, i can only assume this is a scam.

It's a scam because of the name IOTA? Best one I've heard so far.

Please explain what you mean by "sleazy ICO?"

in the crowdsale OP it clearly says:
Duration and schedule
Duration: 27 days.
Date: 25th November at 2 PM UTC - December 21st 11:59 PM UTC.

thanks for this response, i'm reading some of the links right now. im actually capable of changing my mind when presented with the right evidence (unlike leftists).  but the jury is still out!

Cryptohunter I got to hand it to you, this shit is absolutely priceless!!

I just went back and read the first post of the topic again. Fuckin great stuff. I got tears in my eyes laughing so hard. Oh man, your so serious and its so goddam funny!!

I encourage all of you to read the first post again.

"We're not gonna let the SAME PEOPLE  do the SAME THING and take our BTC again" Omg, it's too late buddy. I can't stop fucking laughing!!

The funniest thing is you think this is a big deal. This isn't shit. It's a measly 4000 sat, 15 min market cap. A billion dollar market cap will make your "30 times ICO price" seem like free when looking back at this post in the fall.

That's another reason I can't stop laughing. You're gonna miss it again, after you knew about it, AGAIN!

Omg I can barely type. Oh, jesus Ah ha ha, where are my pills. Oh man!! :'( :) :)

Haha - a billion dollar market cap. Come on please be serious. Your coin without the super processor that amd and intel can't make is of no great importance. The tangle (dag) concept has  big question marks hanging over it's head already.

You fail to realise too many people know it's a scam already.

You talking of 1billion market cap now just goes to show how much of a pumper you are.

Please stop with all your silly pump threads on the main board you are just damaging iota's already poor image.

You've already apparently scammed some poor chumps to pay 4000sats for the stealth ico 130sats tokens. However, most of these people are probably sock puppet accounts pretending to buy. I mean who would pay 4000sats for 130sats ico coin that nobody can prove willl work at all. If it works it brings limited advantages and some disadvatages. Has issues with consensus and centralisation. Has no working processor which has been promised and according to those no chance of every having one since that would mean creating something intel and amd can't even do. Is now considered a scam by a huge proportion of the board.  So now it's going to have a rise 30X greater than ethereum ico prices by your speculation.

Where are your pills? I don't know but please find them.

The butthurt is really strong in this one.

And then the voting options jeez.

Pro tip for you:

Stop playing with altcoins and just hodl btc.

Thanks for your 'pro tip'

We've all heard the butthurt , sour grapes, ...why not try and communicate as an adult. These are the trademark statements from those involved with scams.

Re read the thread then feel free to comment.

Why not explain start with a comparison between the ico's of iota, eth, nem, lisk.

Perhaps explain why ico's are better than pow?

Just come right out with it and say why a small, under advertised ICO with no POW is the best way to go.

Once you explained that then we can just let the topic drop and iota can get to pumping their tokens from 130sats to the 4000sats they are demanding now. That is already more than ethereums rise from ipo to where it is now and it's not even out? okay.

This line alone made my day.

PS: Who has reset the poll and why?

cryptohunter changed it, so that all answer options support his competent opinion.

I recall FrictionlessCoin with his Imagine Fairness threads. And missing him. Today envious trolls are not that hilarious.

It's just more precise now so that we have a clearer understanding of what is being voted for.

There was no distinction before between those that did not own iota who thought paying 3000% more was okay and those selling itoa for 3000% more than what they got it for thought it was a good idea.

There is now more of a distinction.

The only imagined fairness is in your mind.

Actually though I know even you don't really think the iota ico was well advertised and fair. It's a simple matter to compare it to NXT1.

If you try to compare your ico to ethereum, nem , lisk, you soon start to see that is was totally lacking.

Lisk raised 20x what you did...so either you're terrible at advertising your ico or you wanted a small ico. After NXT1 it was obvious you should have marketed this ICO to the max. You didn't and now you are joining in with the pump threads on the main board when you never hardly mentioned it on here before or during the ICO. Trying to persuade us these tokens should be sold for 30x ico price. What even justifies a 100% increase? not 3000%??
Tangle/dag can be used by any dev this is not your tech only. It has been said it could issues with consensus. The processor claims have been written off as laughable by some. So yeah I see why it has gone from 130 sats ico to 3000-4000 sats. Anyone buying at such prices for such little improvement is crazy.

If you released it on exchanges now it would sink like a stone hence why there is no eta to put it there.

I would stop bumping these threads and get a grip on the "investors" try to pump this on the main board. It is only making iota look more of a scam.

You can't pump it without releasing it to exchange whilst only a very tiny % hold the coin demanding 3000% ico. It's a scam.

I made a serious study, paid for it with my POW mined BTC. I wonder why we do not discuss about the BTC at the beginning of 2010 was CPU mined with few of peoples? Why make BTC more than 40x within a few months after appear at Mt.Gox? Are you affirm, the BTC is scam?? Why a huge amounts of BTC owned by early adopters? It can be easily proved watching on these accounts. Some of it own 1 million BTC. I think they have done a very bad publicity for the 7 billion people living on earth. Maybe it was a bad distribution? Do you really think, the BTC is a scam? Really?  :D

I made a serious chart relating to distribution. There I bring in the 4th option because you changed the rules. Please study it very seriously.

I will try to help you the best that I can. You chart was fun - well done.

Firstly the poll. You're an Iota investor so the 4th option isn't really for you. You may as well choose the 2nd option since you of course think it is okay to sell your tokens to people for 3000% increase. You are by your own admission an iota NXT2 investor.

Secondly this board did not exist upon the release of bitcoin so how can you make comparison to an ico which I affirm did not do enough to advertise itself on this board compared to other big ICOs on here like ethereum, nem, maid, lisk.

You are trying to employ a tactic many of those do who want to justify poor initial distribution on this board ... Making some reference to the other 7 billion people. This is of course unreasonable verging on impossible unless you had unlimited funds for marketing and even then it would take  huge amounts of time and planning. We have to be reasonable.

To reach the other 7 billion people would prove almost impossible and of course they would not perhaps be interested even if told about the release of a crypto coin.

This can not be compared to reaching out on this forum with a few sig campaigns, main board announcements to people that are already crypto enthusiasts. The very same forum you are running the ico in a sub section. The same board you are spamming the main section with iota threads now.

Please don't make ridiculous comparisons in the hope of justifying an under advertised ico that is open to rife manipulation.

Stick to trying to sell you 130 sats tokens for 4000 sats. I don't blame you for trying.

I wouldn't keep bumping this thread though. It makes you seem almost anti iota. The facts are plain.

1. Iota did not advertise at all well compared to other big ico's
2. It raised a tiny amount compared to the big ico's
3. It has not released yet on exchages and is already trying to command gains on ico price greater than ethereum has reached even now.
4. It's success relies up creating a processor that intel and amd can't create.
5. It is currently having pump threads made in the main section -will iota be top 5, will iota be 10000 sats etc etc by blatant pumpers who own iota already
6. It's from the same people that made NXT and did the exact same thing before.
7. The only thing iota can say in it's defense is - butthurt, sour grapes, envy and that Bitcointalk does not matter because others will not know about the poor initial distribution outside of the board.
8. It is held by a tiny tiny tiny % of the board and is not even on exchange(this means you can control supply whilst trying to create demand) perfect for pumping
9. The entire concept of dag could have consensus issue according to some experts.
10. The ico price was 130sats - they are now claiming (with nothing to show for this raise) it is worth 3000-4000sats.

Let's just let the thread die out and stop spamming the main board. I am tired of repeating these facts over and over.

Release the coin on exchange and make it useful then we can see about perhaps 500% returns not the 3000% to 4000% you lot are already demanding.

Less pumping more releasing to exchange and seeing how it goes. Let's forget the fact the distribution is so narrow and see how it does when it is actually released into the wild.

It does not matter how many funny graphs you make nor how many times you say those that dont own iota are butthurt you can not change the facts I have now listed for you. So face those facts and get on with releasing it on exchange. Stop pumping demand whilst holding back supply. These are scam tactics.

Eth is currently at about 36,5 x ICO. Currently lowest sell order on IOTA is 0.00003333 so about 25x ICO

Hey cryptogay!

I didn't buy in time Microsoft shares ( 20 years ago ) BUT I WANT TO HAVE SHARES OF MICROSOFT AND I WANT TO BUY IT ON PRICE WHICH WAS 20 YEARS AGO!!!

If you-cryptogay, will be kind enough to manage for everypeople cheapest shares of Microsoft that's ok.

BUT IF MICROSOFT DOESN'T WANT TO SELL THAT SHARES FOR PRICE WHICH WAS 20 YEARS AGO- IN THIS CASE -

HEYYYYY!!!! MIRCOSOFT IS SCAMMMMMM!!!!

Did you see result of your poll???

Have a look! This is big cook exactly for your ass, cryptogay!!!

Enjoy your f... without normal people which don't want to hear your shit...

Hey :)

Great you could make it here. Hope you voted :)

Yes, thanks I saw the results. They indicate that only those that bought Iota think it's a good idea to sell them to others for 3000% mark up.

The other people that voted think it's either a scam or should be sold at 130 sats.

The thread also show that the people most concerned about the poll are iota holders...which is very telling.

Thanks for bumping - this was already on page 2.

Now head back to the iota thread. You've done very well.

Come back soon. Don't let this thread leave page 1.

I want to buy bitcoin at .01 a bitcoin.  It is not fair they launched on some other forum without telling me many years ago ...  ???

Please don't make ridiculous comparisons in the hope of justifying an under advertised ico that is open to rife manipulation.

Stick to trying to sell you 130 sats tokens for 4000 sats. I don't blame you for trying.

I wouldn't keep bumping this thread though. It makes you seem almost anti iota. The facts are plain.

1. Iota did not advertise at all well compared to other big ico's
2. It raised a tiny amount compared to the big ico's
3. It has not released yet on exchages and is already trying to command gains on ico price greater than ethereum has reached even now.
4. It's success relies up creating a processor that intel and amd can't create.
5. It is currently having pump threads made in the main section -will iota be top 5, will iota be 10000 sats etc etc by blatant pumpers who own iota already
6. It's from the same people that made NXT and did the exact same thing before.
7. The only thing iota can say in it's defense is - butthurt, sour grapes, envy and that Bitcointalk does not matter because others will not know about the poor initial distribution outside of the board.
8. It is held by a tiny tiny tiny % of the board and is not even on exchange(this means you can control supply whilst trying to create demand) perfect for pumping
9. The entire concept of dag could have consensus issue according to some experts.
10. The ico price was 130sats - they are now claiming (with nothing to show for this raise) it is worth 3000-4000sats.

Let's just let the thread die out and stop spamming the main board. I am tired of repeating these facts over and over.

Hey miner fool

Please read the thread first then comment later.

The question here is to compare ICO on this board with ICO on this board.

See - not too hard is it.

The fact you want to buy bitcoin at 0.01 btc is rather worrying. Think that through a little more.

Okay. Sounds like fun.

Even so, please keep to topic and discuss the facts only.
Also no swearing and bad language else you will have to be deleted.

thanks for keep bumping this thread to the top. Iota must be very impressed with your efforts.

Well, Is it true that you are blackmailing dev. of IOTA, to have free IOTA?

Can you say me your opinion- IS THE LISK BIGEST SCAM IN OUR LIFE???

Why do you think that IOTA is not so good??? Do you really have info?

Do you have any understanding of IOTA TECHNOLOGY?

P.S. What do you think about kickboxing? Do you like it? Would you like to test it?

Can You understand the big different between just nothing( right now) LISK and NEW TECHNOLOGY LIKE IOTA?

Right now-  LISK and other sorry shit just tokens, but IOTA CAN BE USEFUL right now in m2m technology!

Why not to do moderated thread about LISK? I think lisk is just fraud...

And soon, instead of big profit which you would like to have from LISK you will find nothing in your pocket! Believe me! Have a deep look there.

You are loosing time here, while money from LISK are going much more farthest from you ;D

Enjoy your fall ;D

Your logic is flawed 100%. There is no such thing as under-advertised ICO. Important thing is whether you believe in developers, in technology, and not how many and how much was invested into. ICO is ICO, whatever it is, small/big, advertised/not-advertised, it's the technicals of the project that will bring something down or up, market will tell. I invested in IOTA because it seems like it's a honest thing, aiming for a big market, not in any way scammy in my opinion by now. Even if there were NO advertising for ICO, I wouldn't consider it as a scam. You get my point? Even if they done self-investment to make things look bigger, they can't do anything and it's worthless without good technology.

So putting stealthy ICO (in my opinion it was not stealth at all) for the reason why IOTA is scam is ridiculous.

1. how can I blackmail him? if there is nothing to hide. I am simply saying run another ICO to allow the rest of the people that missed the first ICO a chance to invest at ICO prices.

2. Lisk - For it to turn out a scam I guess they would have to run off with the funds and abandon the project. Is their concept any better than iota. I don't know. Initial distribution and fair opportunity to partake is the only interest of this thread.

3. I have no real opinion on the iota technology - it sounds interesting though.

4. No deeper than most here - no.

The issue here is not the concept of iota (although the trinary processor and possible consensus issues previously brought up by other experts can make it seem doubtful until proven otherwise)

The issue is I think is they should not be pumping it with blatant pump threads on the main board when we hardly heard a peep out them before or during the ICO and whilst such a tiny % control the supply and it is not even open to the free market on exchanges.

I am  commenting on this thread only to reply to iota supporters false accusations. I would suggest to iota bring it to exchange and then if it works, and if it brings proven improvements in real world usage then let the price adjust naturally. Don't store it all away and suffocate supply whilst pumping it up on unproven dreams and fantasies. They are already charging 3000% increase from 130 sats to 4000+ in some sales. That is already more returns or similar returns to ethereaum. Ethereum gave a huge ico opportunity (which i did not take) but also gives plenty of time with POW and it was only 100-200% over ICO price for months. Iota demanding 3000%+ already and it is not out and even proven to work and no processor which is the core of their plans. This 3000% demand is only possible because they gave such tiny distribution and even now it is not on exchange.

Let this thread sink. Stop the constant spamming of the main board and let's see it on exchange and see iota working first in the real world with more than a handful of users. Let's see the phantom processor and yes then you may get your 3000% if it is deserved.

Keeping bumping the thread to justify or explain the small ico and 3000% inflated prices is not doing iota any good at all.

Let's hope future ICO will advertise more and release their coins to the free market before pumping them.

 

BTW

This is very interesting... How it is possible to write so many shit every day?

I think that you are very fat, ugly person which envy all world- Do you know why? May be you have not never sex in your bad smell life?

You are so fat that cannot move enough, that's why you are sitting on your fattest ass and just writing, envying and eating ;D

Ha ha ha ha, the thread is self moderated and he removes comments that are 'mean' what a fucking loser. No time for this pathetic child.

That is so funny.

One day at some crypto show or other we shall perhaps meet and you may compare our physical forms. I can assure you that you will be more than shocked and eat your words.

Let's wait and see :)

Although, no more off topic or you'll be deleted again. Diversion tactics not allowed. Just discuss the facts please regarding the ico.

Do you even remotely realize how stupid this sounds?

You found a good scam this time. Keep with it.

If you wish to discuss the facts about the ico you can stay. If not you have to be moderated.

I hope you understand.

No, please explain it to me.

By replacing yourself in the position of the early ICO buyers, you will realise that putting the second ICO at the same price is unfair. 3000% is also way too big. 125, 150 or maybe 200% sounds a lot more reasonable.

Fair enough... let's allow them 100% or even 200% profit. Let's start the iota ico2 at 200%

390 sats buy in. The coin is not released yet. Let's generate some extra tokens for late ICO2 investors.

Why would they say no?? more funds for their project right?

There is no second ICO, and IOTA doesn't need more money. No idea where all the morons here get the idea that they have some kind of 'right' to buy things at a price of their choosing.

Allow? Dude, you need to go back to whatever communist commune you come from. Free market doesn't work that way. We don't need more money for IOTA and there are ZERO plans for another ICO. So, snooze = lose.

Here's your case: You're accusing IOTA team for a scammy ICO behavior, but you give them another chance for redemption because actually you do believe in honesty of IOTA, but you're crying now you didn't notice it? Pathetic man, do a reality check, you have no evidence IOTA is a scam, no one has it by now. Your accusations are empty as empty can be.

Don't be so rude ! I'm not interested in IOTA so I don't care about all the ICOs that could happen. This was just an idea.

Where do you get the right to tell the rest of the board they can not have opportunity to buy in at a price you bought in just because the IOTA ico was not advertised like other big ICO's?

Why would you not want more funds to go into the software that you supposedly bought with no expectation of price inflation? :)

Do you not want the project to succeed? you could raise more funds?

NO, you and the tiny % of other hoarders just want to dump out as soon as you can for max gains.

If you were really interested in seeing IOTA have the best chance of success they you would vote for more BTC to be invested in the project through and ICO2.

Are you pretending to not get the point ?

The tech could be legit. The ICO was not legit. Get it now??

Read the OP concerning type1 and type 2 ICO/IPO scams then comment.

I don't need to believe in the personal honesty / dishonesty of individual devs. This is the point of crypto.

The dev should be forced to do the right thing to get any gains himself.

So you are deleting comments about the fact that there is NO 2nd ICO, and never will be. Ok, you are cute. Go ahead and invest some more in Beecoin instead.

I love that your point is that the ICO was not legit cause you missed it.

So first time they claimed they sold all coins in ICO1, but now they should make some new phantom coins for ICO2, to be able to sell them. What kind of credibility would this give to whole IOTA project? Can't you get the proportion of ridiculousness here? :)))  You're giving me a really good LOL time, thanks.

ICO was not legit - it wasn't advertised enough! (C) by Cryptohunter


I will make a frame and put it on my wall to make me laugh every morning I wake up. LOL LOL LOL.

No I'm deleting your comments because you are not keeping to topic. Keep to topic and you'll be fine. If you want to compare the iota ico to other big ico's then feel free to do so.

The fact you are trying to distract away from this to other areas is not allowed on this thread. Stick to discussing the need for a second ico and or why the first ico is fine on it's own.

Beecoin? this has no bearing on anything. It was a fairly launched POW coin that people lost interest in because nobody could pump and dump it several years back and the dev abandoned it. This has zero relation to the need for a second more widely advertised ico for iota.
Don't try to divert and take the thread of at tangents else you will be deleted again.

i think you will find a lot of people missed it due to not hearing about it. I missed ethereum but because I chose not to invest. I am not moaning about ethereum.

Don't try again to divert. This is not just about 1 person. This is about the iota ico in general compared to other big ICO on here.

Any future postings constantly repeating the same things answered already 20x in the thread will have to be deleted. The personal butthurt, envy, sour grapes has been covered.

there are exactly 2 reasons why people want another ICO,

Greed and jealousy.

I think I speak for a lot of poeple inside the IOTA community when i say,
If the only reason why you want IOTA is because you want to sell them at profit
then we dont want you.

Choosing not to invest in Ethereum tells a lot about your expertise. That was single most promising project out there in last several years. There wasn't many brains needed to conclude Ethereum was very safe and profitable investment.

What is your weight and tall by the way? I want to try worry

And be sure! your any bad words anywhere about OUR GREAT IOTA PROJECT will bring many pain on your fattest body)))

What do you think about kickboxing??? Would you like to test black belt??? ;D

Oh really? then more investment into Iota through ico2 would please you? I  mean how can you not want more funds for the project?

I'm glad you you think so. Others with more in depth knowledge have said it is an over hyped conceptual nightmare that will grid to a halt under load of more than a few 100k users.

Let's wait and see.

But yes. I hold a little now. But not too much.

Not sure i understand your point, please elaborate.

Do you mean the IOTA-devs should get more funding to help development?

Or may be you prefer to test your own shit? Do you think I'm joking???

Well I won't go into technical details because I just don't know about it, but everything tells me Vitalik is a brilliant mind because I was reading his in-depth articles from Bitcoin Magazine from the start. My best guess is that it simply cannot be true - he was surely thinking of scalability, too.

No he just believes that he somehow is entitled to buy IOTA for ICO price cause.. I don't fucking know, he's 12 and will hold his breath if he cant?

Let's wait and see. It is interesting none the less I agree.

I know you're not joking. I will smile and imagine you with your proud face jumping around flapping your arms and legs being a black-belt.



Although entertaining... this is not on topic. You can create your own kickboxing ninja black belt threads elsewhere. Stop distracting with these amusements. As charming as you are you must stay on topic please.

Yes, that is where the ico2 money raised would go isn't it?

why did they only want a few hundred k....Lisk just bagged up millions.

iotatoken answered this, IOTA thread page 118+

No answers there... only excuses to keep the distribution small and amongst a tiny %.

They have not released anything yet they know they will make more by hoarding it and trying to pump it than do an ico2. That is why.

The only way they can try and charge 3000-4000 sats for some 130 sats tokens is to strangle supply whilst pumping. They will keep doing this as long as they can before dumping out and moving to the next ICO.

Anyway no need to go over it all again. It's been said. If you have any evidence to the contrary or want to compare this ico with other big icos go ahead. Otherwise no point going around in circles.

Keeping bumping this thread does iota no good. Unless you have some hard facts to contradict the points I've mentioned.  Review up thread to see these points. Otherwise just get iota to exchange and stop pumping it until then it looks scammy. Just let the devs launch it, then we see how it works and what real world advantages it will have. Until then it is all dreams and pumping.

unlocking thread due to continual scam pumpers of iota on the main board.

I was wondering why you would lock it. Don't like the results (truth)

why would I not like the results?
All I see are iota hoarders voting people should pay 3000% hostage fees.

Anyone else voting is saying they want a second fair ICO or it is a scam?

ah ha


Well thats interesting

Ha Ha this is great!!

What a total weirdo!!


He is really in love to hate this Iota coin!!! :D :D :D :D

lol, maybe satoshi will launch bitcoin all over again just to give YOU a chance!

I cant imagine all the ranting and raving Satoshis inbox endured

Is this dude for real man?

supply and demand in the present makes the present Value. The supply and demand in the past makes the value it was in the past.

Seems to be quite a heavy concept to pick up for some

IOTA's prospects are measured by the prospects of the sphere that it is called upon to serve. Back in 2015, the Internet of the Internet of things was estimated at $ 1.6 trillion. By 2025, the industry is expected to grow to $ 6.2 trillion, and the number of active devices will exceed the $ 50 billion mark by 2020.

Still I am not clear what to do with IOTA coins they are not performing well, not able to say about inside news of IOTA, why is it still stagnant.

 there is so many projects going around here right now so it is highly difficult to consider what is a scam and what not

opening string because of persistent trick pumpers of particle on the fundamental board.