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https://www.change.org/p/ethereum-foundation-members-of-ethereum-team-white-hats-to-return-etc-to-dao-holders

DAO Investors & ETC

On June 17, 2016, the attacker found a loophole in The DAO's smart contract. With a new smart contract, the attacker what able to drain most of the funded ETH into a child DAO called "The Dark DAO".

The event created great turmoil in the Ethereum community, Which forced the community to act within 28 days, otherwise the funds would potentially be lost. The community acted and with strong consensus and the opt for a hard fork.
While most people were happy, others felt did the immutability of the network Which compromised. Out of philosophy, the Ethereum Classic project was born, the project would keep the original block chain alive.Fabian fowler, lead developer at Dapp Ethereum, Stated in a public post:
"We know the curator of the Attacker DAO with 3.5M ether, now 7.2 ether are safe in a DAO where we THEREFORE know the curator. With a temporary soft Fork all this ether can be send to a refund contract and the nightmare is over! "

THE white hat hackers now have control of over 7.2 million ETC Which belong to investors of the DAO.
The address used by Ethereum's developers can be found here, and at press time, it had amassed more than 4m ethers, worth Approximately $ 48m.
http://etherscan.io/address/0xb136707642a4ea12fb4bae820f03d2562ebff487

HOWEVER, funds from The DAO havealso been sent to this address, though Whether it is tied to the alleged attack or is Involved with the ethereum developer efforts is unclear. This address had amassed more than $ 140k worth of ether.

https://etherscan.io/address/0x4613f3bca5c44ea06337a9e439fbc6d42e501d0a#internaltx

A third address has ran thus amassed funds from The DAO, collecting Roughly $ 820,000 at press time.
http://etherscan.io/address/0xf4c64518ea10f995918a454158c6b61407ea345c#internaltx
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Q: Who are the Ethereum/DAO white hat hackers?

A: The public face of The Goodies (or Robin Hood as referred to in Update on the White Hat attack) is Alex Van de Sande ( Lined out - Based On His Reddit Post). The other members have not been revealed to the public.

While he is not working on behalf of his employer as part of The Goodies, he is lead designer at the Ethereum Foundation. He is spearheading the Wallet and Mist project with the Go Ethereum team.



Q: How can the community be assured that they can be trusted?

While

Everyone in this group acted as an individual and did not represent or received the endorsements of their employers.
I, and most Ethereum users, have already given him (the public face of The Goodies) the trust as we are already running the binary programs on our computers to interact with the Ethereum network. He, and the colleagues he works with in his normal employment, is already in a position where he could engineer the software running on your computer to steal all the private keys from your computer, along with any other juicy information you hold on your computer.

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UPDATE 08/08/2016

Q - Who are the White hat group ?

"I wouldn't call myself part of the Robin Hood Group, not because I’m afraid of legal consequences or ashamed of it, but because I don’t think I’m worthy of that title. The guys who made the DAO counter attack were able to create attack vectors much more sophisticated than the original attacker developed, and created new ways to twist it so that the original attacker couldn’t counterattack. They set up active running scripts that at some point were constantly draining the dao to 1 wei, to capture any ether the attacker sent to the DAO to set up a new attack. I would never be able to do any of this. While I did a small part in helping the original counterattack, I’ve also been told that since the first attack most of the original group splintered and only a few kept pushing forward. I haven’t participated since that day, I don’t control any of the private keys to any relevant addresses, I had recent contact with them, but since the main goal was accomplish I don’t intend to keep contact and I certainly don’t want to be seen as their spokeperson for the next step..
Also, even the small part I did, I acted as an individual, not as part of the Ethereum Foundation. I never told Vitalik about my plans and when Ming, the Executive Director, asked me about it I refused to tell her, so that the Foundation wouldn’t be in any way implicated or active in this.
Last time I spoke to the White Hat Group about the status they had told me the attacker was able to run off with a big part of the funds and while they had recently won some battles, the funds were far from secure as they were still aware of possible attacks – which is why I didn’t want to make any public comment on that matter, otherwise the attention could jeopardize this whole thing. IMHO part of the reason they were more successful now was because the DAO had less value and was under a lot less scrutiny since the fork, I doubt such attack would be successful had the fork not taken place."

Alex Van de Sande statement can be read below .

https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/comments/4wnn3k/alex_van_de_sande_uavsa_and_the_rest_of_the_robin/d68wfen

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UPDATE 09/08/2016

The whitehats have moved funds into what looks like the bytecode of a wallet contract on ETC.

http://blocks.elaineou.com/addr/0x1ac729d2db43103faf213cb9371d6b42ea7a830f#tab_addr_3
  
BREAKING NEWS - ETC TO BE DISTRIBUTED BACK TO DAO INVESTORS  10/08/2016

https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/comments/4wyk47/re_the_etc_salvaged_from_attackdaos/

https://twitter.com/eth_classic/status/763202407400673280

"We, as community members and because of the impending emergency, volunteered to secure the ETC that was immobilised in the “attackDAOs” after the “Robin Hood Group” disbanded.
Our number 1 goal is to ensure that the funds are distributed in a fair, transparent and just manner. Attempts have been made to convince us to manipulate the market and the distribution of funds for private individuals’ profit. We have refused to do so and are committed to treat every concerned party equitably and in a fair manner. We have been, and still are, in the process of seeking legal advice.
Achieving this will take time and thought to consider all of the reasonable options in the interest of all the concerned members of the various communities."
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This petition sets out to call to the specific members who are part of the  Ethereum foundation/team to access the ETC funds & redistribute to the DAO holders. This would be the legal, moral and ethical route of action  especially considering the turmoil Which the DAO investors had to face.
Please sign.
Thank you
DAO Investor


Other related posts & articles

https://medium.com/@jackfru1t/the-robin-hood-group-and-etc-bdc6a0c111c3#.be2aj8pl7             - Good article which summarises events

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4xasg3/follow_up_statement_on_the_etc_salvaged_from/?st=irrtyomt&sh=ef321958   - Follow up statement by white hats for transferring funds to Poloniex

https://blog.bity.com/2016/08/13/the-white-hats-and-dao-wars-behind-the-scenes/     - Legal firm  - Bity






https://www.change.org/p/ethereum-foundation-members-of-ethereum-team-white-hats-to-return-etc-to-dao-holders

Huh ? The "whitehat" attackers, first of all, are unknown. Secondly, if these whitehat attackers, whoever they are,  earned their 7.2mil ether legit, they used the same loophole the first atacker did so what's the problem ? I mean, IF ETC community thinks first DAO attacker earned it honestly, why would they want whitehat's to return what they earned ? Why is it right for the first attacker and wrong for them ? It's survival of the fittest on ETC blockchain, the stronger survives, if he's better than others then he / they deserve it all.
Why would the foundation give their ETC to those that suffered loses because of the DAO ? LOL, ethereum foundation is not charitable foundation. Now there's ethereum, the main chain with the theft removed and the WILDWEST ETC. If you chose to stay on ETC and sold your ETH, that's a choice. Or you bought in what the shills said "ETC is the new ETH" and you were dumped on ?

Q: Who are the Ethereum/DAO white hat hackers?

A: The public face of The Goodies (or Robin Hood as referred to in Update on the White Hat attack) is Alex Van de Sande. The other members have not been revealed to the public.

While he is not working on behalf of his employer as part of The Goodies, he is lead designer at the Ethereum Foundation. He is spearheading the Wallet and Mist project with the Go Ethereum team.



Q: How can the community be assured that they can be trusted?

While

Everyone in this group acted as an individual and did not represent or received the endorsements of their employers.
I, and most Ethereum users, have already given him (the public face of The Goodies) the trust as we are already running the binary programs on our computers to interact with the Ethereum network. He, and the colleagues he works with in his normal employment, is already in a position where he could engineer the software running on your computer to steal all the private keys from your computer, along with any other juicy information you hold on your computer.

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I don;t agree with your 'survival of the fittest' statement. The white hat hackers are very close to the Ethereum team if not in the Ethereum team.
Therefore they have the responsibility to give back what is not rightfully theirs. WE ARE TALKING MILLIONS & MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. ITS GRAND LARSON - ITS ILLEGAL, IMMORAL AND UNETHICAL.

I'm totally gud with the whitehat earning their ETC. At least they did it legitably with gud honest intentions unlike the dirty gud for nothing thief. I won't sign your petition and will continue to discourage others.

Really???

What is the definition of a 'white hat attacker'.
If the definition is to prevent a black hat attacker taking more funds so they can keep it for themselves then you have a warped version of the term 'white hat hacker'.
I don;t disagree with giving the white hat hackers a carrot - ONLY if they return ETC back to its rightful owners legitimising good/alturistic intentions.
OTHERWISE they are the same as the black hats!

Ethereum foundation is not responsible for ETC in any way, people / miners voted 90% in favor of the hard fork, and after the hardfork the real number was 99%, since the main chain had 99% of total hashrate, meaning people that didnt vote, went with the hardfork aswell, otherwise they wouldnt have updated their client and stayed on the non forked chain, or changed to a non fork pool. The argument that "at some point ETC had 30% hashrate" is irrelevant, miners move daily to different pools / projects if they become more profitable.
Dude, im all in for good / altruistric intentions, but you're being unreasonable. ETC, like ETH or bitcoin, is what they earned when they chose to spend all their time working on the project. ETC is also a part of ethereum foundation's funds, ETC exist because they developed it so far, now it's not their responsability anymore. If they decide to make updates for ethereum compatible with ETC, that comes for free and you should be thankful, but that's it.

Ethereum Classic is the original chain which DAO investors invested in. The fact it got hard forked & now some ethereum guys have millions of dollars of ETC (Which belong to the DAO investors)which they were meant to protect isn't right! ITS ILLEGAL AND  IMMORAL

If it's illegal then call the police. They are not obliged to give you anything. Ethereum also suffered loses because of the DAO, with it's value going to 50% of what it was. I don't ask for their money, do i ? You stupid fuck.

what has a percentage loss in Ethereums market cap due to sloppy coding/auditing got to do with ethereum holding millions of dollars of DAO investors ETC which they were meant to protect & return. Infact it would have been more beneficial if they didn't take the ETC leaving it at the hands of the black hat so that would damage Ethereum classics reputation more with the predetermined hard fork.

Go get some education. I hear kindergarden is a good start.

It has all to do with it you dumbass, because DAO was like a hedge fund, but with NO insurance, no one guaranteed for the investment's safety as in, like " if something bad happens we'll give you our own money " . And the hardfork was only viable because of the 1month lockup period of the DAO funds, otherwise not even that would have been possible.
Being "meant to protect" is not the same as insured money, like if a bank gets robbed doesn't matter much because the money / deposits are insured.
Now that i destroyed your stupid arguments, tell us your mains account on this forum, how many do you have ?

Facepalm - The Black hats funds were held in a child DAO too - the one month lock up period applied for his ETC too. So what was the POINT in the white hats( AKA ethereum-) if not to RETURN the funds.

Wait, what? So the DAO investors wanted the bailout and to get their ETH back, now they want to get some ETC as well?

There is an easy solution to that. Fork again and roll it back. Worked great the last time.

Because the "blackhats" funds locked in the dao were meant to give foundation time to come with a solution, and they did., HF was a resounding success. Problem with the "white hats" is, you cant possibly know how much of that 7.2mil ether are actually held by white hats, a part of them could simply go with " whitehat" to simply steal the money without causing too much panic. How many of the whitehat attackers admited they're the attackers and showed proofs ? How much of that 7.2mil can really be accounted in white hats hands ?
I don't say they shouldn't return the funds, i'm saying you can't know IF they are real white hats and i'm also saying they aren't OBLIGED to return the funds, because ETC community went with: IF the hacker got 3.5mil ether then that's his reward because the used the contract as it was meant, so i'll ask again: WHY is it right for the attacker and wrong for other atackers, be them white hats or black hats ?

No an easy answer to that is that members of the white hat Ethereum group redistribute the ETC which they have access to - to all the DAO holders adresses proportional to what they invested.

Ok there's no hope for you, you want them to give you their own money for your loses, as if they DIDNT lose ETC/ dao on etc chain. Stupid fuck. You could aswell ask chandler guo to give ETC for your loses, would be as stupid.

Becouse we know who the main white hackers are. They were a group co-ordinated by members of Ethereum.
Therefore the responsibility lies with Ethereum as a corporation to do the ethical act of returning ETC funds.
AND if they did lose Ethereum classic on the main chain - they can claim it back through the redistribution...


I am done speaking to you mining1 untill you have something intelligent to say

Lol, corporation, another proof youre so much dumber than me or anyone else. Your FUD is so bad, you shouldn't log again on this new created account to FUD because you just embarassed yourself.
@suchmoon no dao investor in their right mind would ask that, this is just low quality FUD from ETC/bitcoin side.

i am aware its open sourced & not a corporation as such.
Ethereum as a brand would be a better term.
But i don't expect you to understand things from this perspective.
Morons generally don't.

You are posting everywhere? lol nice try and all but dream on, it won't happen.

why not?? if i was the white hat hacker i would. Why would i want to have any liability for the theft of millions of dollars of ETC. The legal implications is far far to great. The white hat hackers are known and respectable. Why would they want to carry that chip?

But it won't happen unless we let our voice known

Please sign the petition if you are a DAO holder and want your ETC back

Didn't DAO holders overwhelmingly "vote" for the ETH fork and to leave the ETC (original ETH chain) to die? Any such petition should have been filed before the fork, not that it would have made any difference though. You wanted a bailout, you got a bailout, I'm struggling to understand why the sudden interest in the the old "criminal" chain.

The reason i am calling out the ethereum foundation is due to this

Q: Who are the Ethereum/DAO white hat hackers?

A: The public face of The Goodies (or Robin Hood as referred to in Update on the White Hat attack) is Alex Van de Sande. The other members have not been revealed to the public.

While he is not working on behalf of his employer as part of The Goodies, he is lead designer at the Ethereum Foundation. He is spearheading the Wallet and Mist project with the Go Ethereum team.




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Therefore it is part of Ethereum integrity  to do the right thing and return the funds.

Sure its specific members of the Ethereum team, however members make up a foundation.
Ethereum foundation had a major/pivotal role in the white hack attacks....... I don't see how i can not bring them into this.



But thanks for the support & please sign the petition.

MEMBERS OF ETHEREUM TEAM (WHITE HATS) TO RETURN ETC TO DAO HOLDERS -- Petition title changed & so did the introduction page -

Thanks for your input

No, it's only the OP who is demanding his ETC. The real DAO investors don't want their ETC back as we categorically do not support the criminals coin and chain of choice, ETC. All my development and support is going into ETH, the official chain of the EF. The whitehat wearers worked together to try to resolve the situation for all and I'm happy for them to be paid in the shitcoinage ETC so they can dump for $$$$'s.

lol eth returned from dao is after the fork only, it cannot exist on ethc chain this is the whole point to fork. eth/c  left in dao is the hackers which was not carried over in the fork. all returned dao eth after fork there is no matching ethc.

 8)

DAO address ETH Balance:  2 wei (less than $0.01) 

https://etherscan.io/address/0xbb9bc244d798123fde783fcc1c72d3bb8c189413

DAO address ETHC Balance:  63.17

http://classic.aakilfernandes.com/#/address/bb9bc244d798123fde783fcc1c72d3bb8c189413

you know nothing about ethereum, do not pretend  :D

Legendary  ;D

it's hard to understand the mETH heads.... really hard.

So, the fork happend to recover the money from investors, right? So, why not give the investors money TO THE INVESTORS?

What are you whittering on about? The DAO investors got their investment back. I know, I was one of them.

And they did get their ETH back. The OP however wants to get ETC as well. The evil, criminal, dirty ETC. Unbelievable.

Just becouse there are criminals who use the dollar as a means of exchange, does that make the dollar evil criminal & dirty? Well thats a debate for another time - but no more than ETC in this situation. I put in ETC into the crowdfund (back then known as ETH) which i worked hard to earn and i want my ETC back, NOT in the hands of some tech savvy Eth devs who were meant to protect & return it.
Just becouse i was compensated with their new version of a forked ETH doesn't mean i am any less entitled to the original ETC.

If you are a DAO investor & want your ETC back - PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION

Actually yes, it does mean exactly that. Your investment was lost. Some smart guys invented a time machine and "unlost" it. You got your investment back (ETH) from the timeline where the hack (black or white hat) never existed. End of story. Stop creating space-time anomalies by demanding compensation from a different timeline, you'll get us all into a wormhole or a black hole or some kind of a hole.

My first question:
Have you redeemed your DAO tokens for ETH (or are you able to)? If so, then why would you expect any ETC?

My second question:
If ETC had died the way it was predicted (and expected) would you be asking for ETC? Are you only petitioning because ETC now has some value?

No, the solution is very simple.
The members of the Ethereum team who acted as white hat and created the child Daos will have access to the ETC funds at this point of time. Just as much as the Black hat who created a child DAO and is now moving his funds around.
Therefore the white hats redistribute the ETC back to its rightful owners AKA DAO holders.

No Wormholes or black holes needed.

Only integrity is needed & the realisation that it would avoid any future legal implications.

ETC is valued at 200 million dollars - 7.2 million ETC is worth so much money........18 million dollars at time of writing.
And its only Due to the DAO HOLDERS who got messed around through all this due to Ethereums shoddy DAO coding

So your saying that 18 million dollars shouldn't be redistributed back to DAO holder but kept in the hands of a small group of individuals related to the Ethereum team.
This is insane.

Why are we debating this ?!

With the complexity of this whole issue of both chains existing and some people having redeemed their DAO for ETH already, how would this even be achieved on a technical level??

Welcome to crypto

I would suggest that you go ahead with your "legal implications". Don't forget to update this thread with how that works out, e.g. did the lawyers laugh at you immediately or just after they took your money, etc (pun intended).

OP: I want to sue somebody for X million.
Lawyers: Do they owe you?
OP: No, I was paid back what I was owed, but they have something else that's worth so much money and I want it.

1) That's debatable
2) Who were the opportunists? Some say it was the exchanges

That's the most interesting question. I would think the token holders still possess their tokens on the original chain; but, someone with the actual technical knowledge needs to explain that.

18 millions dollars isn't a joke....
IF DAO holders wanted to sue - they could put up a really good case and it would then tie alot of things into the mix about using a new chain with an old brand. . I will be surprised if a whale doesn;t sue eventually especially if ETC rises in value more.
I won't sue as i am not a whale in by any means.
However i do want whats rightfully mine and if you do to - PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION

OK, it's time for ANALOGIES... (Yaay!)

Guy walks into Ford dealership
Buys Ford Explorer
Drives Ford Explorer
Learns that Ford Explorer is Deathtrap
Returns Ford Explorer to dealer mechanics and gets full refund
Mechanics pimp it up and sell the Ford Explorer to next guy very cheaply

Should original buyer get a cut over and above his original purchase price?

Or is this just crypto? Different rules apply.

Likely it would be a class action lawsuit and DAO holders could just jump onboard.

It actually might be helpful in the long run for lawsuits to take place. I've read multiple articles about the legal ambiguities the DAO represented. It can only be beneficial for some of these ambiguities to be sorted out so that both contract writers, white hat hackers and investors have a clearer idea of what they are getting into for future projects.

If the Ford explorer somehow managed to turn into two Ford explorers I guess we could try comparing situations then.

Well, then make up your mind. If you're not going to sue then your empty legal threats don't mean anything.

Have you even talked to the van-de-something white hat guy or do you just get the kick out of stirring shit on the intertubes?

You can't eat your cake and have. You people clamour for hard fork you have it, now ETC who knows what else you will demand for. The issue will surely drag on with no definite conclusion

I guess the point is - why does it matter what happened AFTER the customer/investor got a refund? He/she has no claim to the vehicle or the investment any longer, whether it gains or loses value or produces offsprings or disappears altogether.

The fork refunded the DAO investors. That's what they wanted, that's the solution Vitalik gave them.

Not sure what you mean by "kept & split". The DAO was drained by assorted hackers, black hat, white hat, whatever.

There was no insurance obviously, nor is there one in a lemon car buyback situation, or when you get a refund from Amazon or Walmart when you return something. And if somehow you tried do double-dip via insurance that would be obviously fraud.

I'm not saying that the "white hats" can't decide to distribute the ETC. They could, just like Ford could decide to give you extra $5k for pain and suffering. I'm just saying that OP's entitlement doesn't make sense and I doubt it would stand in court although I would like to see him/her try. Unfortunately the OP backpedaled from that so it's just words now. "I want it because it has value". Good luck with that.

Scenerio 1

Ethereum returns the ETC funds to its rightful owners. This causes an increased supply of ETC and therefore will most likely result in greater selling pressure. Most DAO holders will most likely cash out of there ETC position driving the price to the ground. Ethereum will no longer have a legal thorn by its side and can move on.

Scenerio 2

Ethereum Devs decide to keep the ETC. This proves Ethereum team can't be trusted & ignites a whole range of legal issues.

Scenerio 3

Ethereum Devs decide that they will not move the ETC and dispose of the private keys. ETC is now more scarce than Ethereum and they still have issue with legality of the whole thing.

IF the thief is able to have access and move his funds, why would the Ethereum team be reluctant to compensate honest DAO investors. ETC is now listed in all the top exchanges. This rash is not going to go away.

I think it does differ in one substantial aspect. The DAO investors made a bad investment. Under normal circumstances that would be the end of it. Even the US govt didn't bail out Madoff's investors. In this case the choice was either:

1) Do nothing, the DAO investors lose money, those not invested in the DAO don't suffer any losses.

or

2) Bail them out, no one suffers any losses, those not invested in the DAO may get a bonus if the non-forked chain gains any value (few could have predicted that).

The OP is saying that he/she is entitled not only to the bailout but also to the bonus. Perhaps the "white hats" should just burn the ETC and end the OP's suffering.

OK, when you gave the car to the mechanics they used some of the original parts on another dead vehicle and sold them both.

Do you claim part of their profit?

Take it as a windfall for their efforts. They were the ones burning the midnight oil trying to save ETH. Not any of us. They got lucky. Meh.

Which "respective ETH" are you referring to? The DAO ones? Those are the ones that don't have their "siblings" on the opposite chain. All others do.

And the OP hasn't answered a simple question. Has he/she contacted the "white hats" to find out what their intentions are? Going around with petitions and legal threats is a bit premature if there hasn't even been a response one way or the other.

That's why I wanted to know if the "white hats" have expressed any opinion on this. My understanding is that even though the coins are in a child DAO controlled by the "white hats" it would still require quite a bit of effort to fully secure those coins and success is not guaranteed. Probably not quite what the OP is claiming:

Ok so as I gets it, the OP is asking for someone, anyone apart from him, to code, implement and support a contract on the whitehat DAO that will allow themselves to withdraw the ETC criminal coin of whatever someone invested into the DAO ETH chain. Ok dude we is waiting on your skills. Why criticise others when you can't even produce yourself. Fuckin disgusting self entitled idiot. You are worse than a Spoetniktard sockie.

LOL - this actually made me laugh for a minute....
a) its no more criminal than any other currency being the dollar, shekel, franc etc....

b) You don't get it. It isn't my obligation"'to code, implement and support a contract on the whitehat DAO that will allow themselves to withdraw the ETC'". It is the obligation of whoever is holding my rightful ETC by taking it in the first place aka members of the Ethereum team ( who were trusted to return it). If the coders really want some funds to do this for their time, the DAO holders can compensate by giving some ETC from the pool of funds.
c) Yes, i could contact the individual who led the white hat but will it go anywhere??
Before making this thread i came across this only request on the ethereum stack exchange

http://ethereum.stackexchange.com/questions/7613/ethereum-classic-etc-and-the-dao-holders-will-the-white-hat-hackers-return-t

The question was put on hold as primarily opinion-based by Roland Kofler, eth♦ Aug 1 at 7:02
So no answers there.........

I also don't think that the white hat hackers should be rewarded 18 MILLION dollars for their efforts. That is ludicrous therefore stop making the narrative that they deserve it for trying to rescue the funds, which didn;t work out -  now they deserve to be filthy rich at the expense of the DAO holders. Its rediculous.

No, what's "rediculous" is your spelling AND your willy waving without even trying to do the adult thing and talk to the person involved. They are not "holding" your ETC. They have created a child DAO, which is far from being secure from further attacks.

But thanks for clarifying that you're not actually interested in any kind of solution. Happy trolling.

Great english

And yes i don;t think that it will go anywhere which is why i created a  petition. Dipstick. As was inscribed on my old cassacius coin - ' Vires in Numeris'.

It's called "Muphry’s Law".

The reason the white hat hackers transferred funds to their dao was to prevent the attacker from siphoning funds from the DAO. Now that it is all over my opinion on the matter is that the white hackers have the responsibility to return the funds they are holding. If they do not and plan to hold it for their own purposes then they are thieves like how some say the attacker is a thief.

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/ethereum-devs-hack-the-hacker-price-skyrockets/

Indications that something was under foot were given yesterday later afternoon when Alex Van de Sande, lead designer at the Ethereum Foundation, twitted that a whitehat attack on the DAO was under way.

After some tense hours, Sande explained in a public post that “a group of very smart people” which, according to Stephan Tual, were composed of “members of eth foundation, devs, security experts, ethcore, slock,” acting as individuals and not as representatives or with any endorsement of their employers, infiltrated “all open split proposals” and secured 7.2 million eth “now held in a child DAO” with the team holding “the private keys of the curator.”

Fabian Vogelsteller, lead Ðapp developer at Ethereum, stated in a public post:

“We know the curator of the Attacker DAO with 3.5M ether, now 7.2 ether are safe in a DAO where we also know the curator. With a temporary Soft Fork all this ethers can be send to a refund contract and the nightmare is over!”
There seems to be little, if any, controversy regarding the soft fork which has already been merged in Parity, one of Ethereum’s clients, and will be merged in Go within a day or two. According to an ethpool vote, miners are almost unanimously in favor, developers are in full consensus, and most users seem to be in favor.

However, the hard-fork, which has been subject to much debate, may be avoided. Sande, who has been against the hard-fork from the beginning, stated that the “[h]ard fork is unnecessary at this point.”

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These individuals have the responsibility to return ETC back to the DAO holders

SIGN THE PETITION IF YOU AGREE

They have stolen money! They have no right to stolen money. They should return it to who it rightfully belongs to, otherwise they are criminal thieves.

I signed the petition.

Thanks for your support

What i am  going to say to Van-de Sande.

Me - Hi MR Sande - Did you notice you and your 'white hat' hacker team which you curated still owes DAO Investors over 18 million dollars.

Van de  - No it must of slipped my mind

Me - Oh really, Gee, Thats why you and your chronies havn't updated anybody as to what your doing with the stolen DAO ETC.

Van de - Yes, well alot of things slip my mind , especially when you work for Ethereum

Me -  Yes really tough remembering to update people when you work for Ethereum and the ETC & ETH case has been ongoing for the past month.           ::)
        I mean its only a mere 7.2 million ETC-  So will you give back the ETC?

Van de  -- Well no DAO investor has asked for it back untill now

Me - Well look at the petition



PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION

A lesson in how to make friends and influence people.

Your attitude will always get closed doors. Get your money ready. The only way you'll get this ETC is in court. And I'll be supporting the defense all the way.

You misunderestimate lawyers' agility. ;)

All a lawyer needs is some reasoning-by-analogy that's the kernel of a plausible theory and he's ready to go. If the legal beagle gets the idea that the Ethereum ---> forked Ethereum + Ethereum Classic is like a split of a company into two, called a "spinoff," then he has a theory he can work.

1) Show that every holder of Ethereum before the split block received equal amounts of Ethereum-Fork and Ethereum Classic;
2) Show that Ethereum Classic has a copy of The DAO which contains Ethereum Classic, and that draining this version of The Dao does not touch the Ethereum-Fork DAO's holdings in the least, thus demonstrating that the Ethereum Classic in the ETC-DAO is separate from the Ethereum-Fork held by the "real" DAO;
3) Tie (1) and (2) together by showing that token holders in The DAO pre-fork have equal amounts of The DAO tokens for each blockchain;
4) Drag in the analogy relating the one-blockchain-into-two to a corporate spinoff, for which there are lots of precedents to show that all shareholders in Company X are entitled to their aliquot shares in both company X1 and Company X2;
5) Possibly put an insta-expert on the stand to demonstrate that a) the fork reduced the value of the "real" Ethereum and b) there's a negative correlation between the value of Ethereum-fork and Ethereum Classic, which tightens up the Ethereum-as-corporate-property analogy. [This one might well be superfluous, and it is risky because the insta-expert would be subject to cross-examination.]
6) Demonstrate that The DAO is a creature of the Ethereum blockchain, has no life or value outside of it, and demonstrate that The DAO has value with the Ethereum blockchain - and that The DAO-Classic has value in Ethereum Classic.
7) Conclude by adducing standard company-split precedents that all say that a company which splits owes its shareholders aliquot stakes in both new companies - and demonstrate that this analogy is exact with respect to forked Ethereum and Ethereum Classic.

So yeah, I'd say that a lawyer would take his money. :D


P.S. I'm no legal beagle myself, but I found this out when two mining-exploration companies were amalgamated into one (which became a producing gold mine, by the way) a long time ago. The two companies were called Golden Giant and Golden Sceptre, and they held deposits next to each other that were amalgamated into a new company called Hemlo Gold. As part of the re-org, which started off by merging Giant and Sceptre, each shareholder in each company got stock in three companies: Hemlo Gold, New Golden Giant and New Golden Sceptre. Never mind that the last two went nowhere; each shareholder was still entitled to a piece of all three because otherwise some corporate property from the temporarily-merged Giant-Sceptre company would have been unaccounted for.

The only risk with the above theory comes with the kernel analogizing a cryptocurrency to a corporation. But a capable lawyer could adduce the IRS ruling that cryptocurrency is property, and hope that the judge carries the ball the rest of the way by deciding that the analogy to corporate property is legally sound. It's not a sure thing, but it's a good-enough theory for a lawyer to take his money and sleep soundly at night. ;)

If the DAO black hat hacker does not return the ETC to the rightful owners, it will be worthless. So there is no need for the white hats to return.

Sorry, DAO was a disaster that spread across ETH, now they are trying to save face claiming the fork was a good idea when everyone knows they fucked up big, big time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGGW9ozE-ys

Excellent video to see both sides of the coin, and ETC objectively wins the debate.

But what would they charge for that??? Imagine the research involved. Better start a crowdfund/ICO for legal costs!

A lesson in tying humour into a BS situation.

I won't be in the court room, i'm too small fish to take further action on this but you can have fun supporting the defence if it comes to that.

The purpose of this thread is to raise awareness as so far nobody has come forward with a statement or anything regarding the ETC ( and hopefully get some signatures)

The amount of people on this thread who don't seem to understand that the DAO holders are the victims in this case is astounding. - They rather side with supposed 'white hat' hackers' who has shown no interest so far to return DAO holders rightfully owned stolen ETC. If they have - please post a link to this thread!

You're still completely ignorant of the fact that safely removing funds from the white hat DAO may require a soft fork. That's why you need to talk to people who actually know this shit instead of stirring it for your imaginary intertubes cred. Is ETC going to soft fork for you? Can someone figure out another way?

You can wave your petition all day long but if you don't know the technical details, aren't willing to do the work yourself, and don't intend to go to court despite throwing legal threats around - you're just wasting everyone's time.


touché

 Its NOT my obligation to do any of that. Its the obligation of whoever has my ETC. If they want to be compensated for their time - the DAO holders can reward them with ETC from the pool of funds - as i said previously.

Analogy - So supposedly trustable & respectable white hat theives (who are associated to a 1 Billion dollar SAFE & Security Corporation) take your diamonds from a safe to prevent the black hat theives from taking it and put it in their max security safe. Now as the diamond owner - it is my obligation to find a way to remove the diamonds out of the 'white hats safe' - Despite not knowing the password, the location, the mechanisms of the safe, the thickness of the metal, the amount of security guards protecting it etc etc. The white hat theives know all of this yet its now my responsibility.LOL

Pretty sick of everyone crying if things don't go your way...move on and adapt. Deal with the new "new".

No the fork was a gud success. It's the muppets like yourself supporting the ETC criminal coin that's at fault.

Unfortunately they are not your diamonds any more. You bought the diamonds previously from a diamond merchant who fulfilled their moral obligation by giving you a FULL REFUND for the money you spent purchasing the diamonds (when they found a flaw in the safe which meant a thief had locked up your diamonds within the vault itself). You have a new account which leads me to believe you agreed with the HF (you don't want to use your old account which will tell the truth about where you stand on the HF).

Now you want to be refunded again, claiming the items you received the refund for are somehow still yours.

If you want the ETC then agree (in writing in your petition) to give back the ETH you received as refund.

(but I can 100% bet that you have an excuse for wanting to keep both!)

Agreed

Stinky lover is now a self proclaimed moron

So says the but hurt goon who thinks he's entitled to the hard work and endeavours of others.

Great analogy except it has no bearing on the actual situation. All you need to do is talk to those guys and find out if they can help you or give you the information needed to proceed on your own. Even if you get your petition done you'll have to deliver it to someone. Why not just contact them now?

When you need food do you send a petition to the grocery store or maybe first check if they would be willing to sell it to you at a mutually acceptable price?

StinkyLover - they don't need to forfeit the ETH but the thing is that the hard fork path was chosen in part because it was deemed too complicated/risky to recover the coins via the white hat path. Now the fork is done but someone still wants to do the white hat recovery anyway. I'd say more power to them except this petitioner only knows how to yell "give me my money" and doesn't want to spend even 5 minutes on research.

Something for the OP:

https://forum.daohub.org/t/ethereum-classic-etc-and-the-dao-holders-will-the-white-hat-team-return-the-funds-on-the-etc-chain/6398

See... I'm not all that bad! :D :D :D

(and the OP there is honest about motivations, no BS about principle)

Why do you keep saying criminal coin? When in fact it was Vitalik that has done the biggest crime in the cryptosphere by tinkering with the transaction history for the benefit of the few. What happened to his core values as a supporter of decentralization and anti censorship? That all is flushed down the toilet because why? MONEY.

If you can convince the DAO hacker to return the ETC, there is no need for the hard fork to get back the coins.

I signed the petition.How wil be the return.

i guess you are right one of the DAO Holders should report to the police. i am certain they get there ETC back .

The question is which police force is responsible for investigation and catching the thief? The FBI or Chinese police?

The FBI and the Chinese police should work together to proffer a solution, but I believe the issue on ground tilts more towards the Chinese police than the FBI.

yes its unbelievebal what moral those eth fork suporters have.

i guess you have no clue of the situation.
if a person says this black hat attack is theft . and they take that as a reason why they destroy integrity of ethereum prefork, it should use this moral standarts for the persons own movements and then the white attack was theft too and they shall return the ether in there to the holders of the dao.

or the dao holders or one should do a police report.
or start a crowdfunding
in the threats i am sure they will suport it
right now 7.5 millions of etc are in the ahnds of the ones that like etc to die .


and if you say they got enough repay with the rollback well they should get there etc too like every other prefork eth holder.

or are there 2 sets of eth holders for you ? they ones that shut up and the ones that are bullied becouse they dont shut up?

I think Nxtblg made a valid point. And given ETC price right now, it's a several mil in white hat DAO. There is a real possibility of lawsuit against Etherium Foundation, if they decided to keep these money for themselves.

the EF are not the white hatters. FFS

Someone above mentioned, he (white hat hacker) is a member of dev team. It's seems that at least he is affiliated with foundation. Anyway, in my opinion foundation should lawyered up. Because, in the case of legal action, it's not matter what you think, it's matter what you can proof in the court of law.

If you want your DAO money back, go to ETH, not ETC

You must be joking?

Another noob who doesn't get it.

why don't you actually read some  of the posts here such as by OP , Smargada & Nxtblg.

Erm... Who is the noob here?? Did you see the ranking before posting that or are you so full of hopes of free money that you insult anything that comes your way?

That is right. The ETC should be worthless any more. So the hackers will not get a penny. But somebody want the hacker to be rich.

Alex Van de Sande speaks out on the white hats funds.

Hopefully this draws a line under these rather distasteful demands of the ETC criminal coin supporters:

https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/comments/4wnn3k/alex_van_de_sande_uavsa_and_the_rest_of_the_robin/d68wfen

though i dont think that dao users will report it to the police, i think that nothing will happen, though i hope that etc is going to grow pretty huge

This is very interesting and i have updated the original thread with a link to this reddit post.
I respect Alex Van De Sande for speaking out and giving clarity of the situation( finally).
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I wouldn't call myself part of the Robin Hood Group, not because I’m afraid of legal consequences or ashamed of it, but because I don’t think I’m worthy of that title. The guys who made the DAO counter attack were able to create attack vectors much more sophisticated than the original attacker developed, and created new ways to twist it so that the original attacker couldn’t counterattack. They set up active running scripts that at some point were constantly draining the dao to 1 wei, to capture any ether the attacker sent to the DAO to set up a new attack. I would never be able to do any of this. While I did a small part in helping the original counterattack, I’ve also been told that since the first attack most of the original group splintered and only a few kept pushing forward. I haven’t participated since that day, I don’t control any of the private keys to any relevant addresses, I had recent contact with them, but since the main goal was accomplish I don’t intend to keep contact and I certainly don’t want to be seen as their spokeperson for the next step..
Also, even the small part I did, I acted as an individual, not as part of the Ethereum Foundation. I never told Vitalik about my plans and when Ming, the Executive Director, asked me about it I refused to tell her, so that the Foundation wouldn’t be in any way implicated or active in this.
Last time I spoke to the White Hat Group about the status they had told me the attacker was able to run off with a big part of the funds and while they had recently won some battles, the funds were far from secure as they were still aware of possible attacks – which is why I didn’t want to make any public comment on that matter, otherwise the attention could jeopardize this whole thing. IMHO part of the reason they were more successful now was because the DAO had less value and was under a lot less scrutiny since the fork, I doubt such attack would be successful had the fork not taken place.
Before you guys talk about what they are going to do with the funds, notice that this group had absolutely no obligation to keep doing what they were doing, yet kept doing it anyway. They worked hard for the fork to happen because they wanted all the DAO investors to be made whole – and they accomplished that – but then the Ethereum Classic community made its central tenet that such a solution was morally wrong and we were all corrupt for doing it. The blackhat hacker tried their best to ruin any chance of counterattack, negotiation or ceasefire) yet I’ve seen posts in this community comparing them to Satoshi Nakamoto. These guys have done what no one else was willing or capable to do, yet they are constantly harassed and whenever I read a question about the White Hat Group’s ETC funds, the first answers usually mention lawsuits or assume malice on their part. I wonder how many DAO token holders today are even the same people who believed the original vision and participated on the launch and how many tokens are currently held simply by people who wanted to buy them for a chance of an arbitrage opportunity. Now, of course, this doesn’t represent the full community, I’ve been in contact with people from the Classic mod team that are trying to change the tone, but my recent experiences on this community haven't helped to change my opinion on it.
To make it completely clear, while I appreciate the irony that the same people who claimed the Dark attacker was the rightful owner because “code is law” are asking the opposite of the white hat attackers, I don’t endorse this idea: my understanding has always been that they would do their best to give the money back to the community, otherwise they would be no better than the black hat.
I do not know what they intend to do now and I learned that the recovery was successful via reddit like everyone else. While I believe they have the best intentions they are also at risk for a lot of legal troubles and costs. On a personal note I’ve lended them DAO tokens for the attack, which I haven’t seen since. I’ll be asking them for the eth-dao to be returned, but I’m donating the etc-dao to them.
My main point is this, they could have washed their hands of all this the day of the fork and let it all be taken by the thieves you applauded. If anything is ever recovered it’s all due to the tireless work of these people. So instead of constantly debating how much the white hats owe you, ask yourself how much you owe the white hats.
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My thoughts on the sentence highlighted in red

They deserve a carrot only IF they return the funds -  NOT 18 Million dollars of DAO holders ETC.

Good question. ;)

As I said before and will probably say again, I'm not a lawyer. So, my thinking-as-the-plaintiff's-lawyer is prolly defective in subtle ways.

To gab about the defense side, it occurred to me that there's a two-pronged slam-bang defense that any real lawyer would bring up in the initial interview:

Prong 1: The Good Samaritan defense. The white-hat hacker team had no motive other than to rescue The DAO stakeholders and worked for free during their rescue operation. It's not enough to claim that they did so because they themselves were stakeholders - not as long as they got the exact same aliquot-share reward as someone who occasionally cheered them on at Reddit but otherwise did nothing. In order to impugn this defense, the plaintiff has to prove that they got compensation over and above what they got as DAO stakeholders. To put it bluntly, the plaintiff would have to show that they were either a) paid for the work, which would render the Good-Samaritan part of the defense moot; or b) that they were bribed to do it. Either attempt requires the plaintiff to have evidence; speculation won't do.

Prong 2: "We Haven't Touched The Ethereum Classic Blockchain" defense. This one's intriguing, because a court would have to regard the Ethereum Classic blockchain as a separate entity. If the defense can demonstrate that they haven't touched the Ethereum Classic blockchain, then the plaintiff's job becomes harder. Plaintiff would have to argue that the white-hat-hacker team had an affirmative responsibility to return the Ethereum Classic to the now-Classic-DAO token holders. This could be done, using that corporate-spinoff analogy I riffed on above, but it would have to be done carefully. A judge might well decide that the people who incurred the liability were the dev team behind Ethereum Classic!

In fact, Prong 2 might well suffice on those last grounds.

So a real lawyer for the plaintiff would ask: 1) "Can you prove that the whit-hat hackers received special compensation over and above their share as DAO token holders?" 2) "Can you prove that they messed around with the Ethereum-Classic DAO on or after the time of the hardfork?" If the answer to both is "No," then said lawyer would decline the case.

Or recommend that the plaintiffs sure the devs of Ethereum Classic! :o

It's pure greed, they want both. The funds should be destroyed.

Who are 'they'?

I know your not too bright so it's the original DAO holders. Duh

Well then you are incorrect on both counts as I was a DAO hodler and I don't want both. Never assume or generalise because it makes you look even more tardish. As if that was even possible.

Prove it burn your etc.

There is no need to burn your ETC. Sell it to the people who love it and give them the chance to grow it.

The whitehats have moved funds into what looks like the bytecode of a wallet contract on ETC.

http://blocks.elaineou.com/addr/0x1ac729d2db43103faf213cb9371d6b42ea7a830f#tab_addr_3

That could be the reason for the recent ETC price drop, there are more active seller than the buyers now.

TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.  ITS ON EVERY PAGE @ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559630.new#new

The most vile and disgusting post I have ever read on Bitcointalk. Take it down immediately. I hope the relevant legal services sue your ass for that defamation.

BREAKING NEWS - ETC TO BE DISTRIBUTED BACK TO DAO INVESTORS

https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/comments/4wyk47/re_the_etc_salvaged_from_attackdaos/

https://twitter.com/eth_classic/status/763202407400673280

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Of course it was always going to be. The white hats are the fuckin gud guys in all this shitestorm. The fact that you and others resorted to threatening them is sickening really. Hope you are happy now and can move the fuck on.

There's also reports that the white hat hackers has gone "rogue". They have allegedly transferred some ETC to Kraken and Poloniex. I do not know what to believe anymore. Can anyone confirm if it is true or not?

We, as community members and because of the impending emergency, volunteered to secure the ETC that was immobilised in the “attackDAOs” after the “Robin Hood Group” disbanded.
Our number 1 goal is to ensure that the funds are distributed in a fair, transparent and just manner. Attempts have been made to convince us to manipulate the market and the distribution of funds for private individuals’ profit. We have refused to do so and are committed to treat every concerned party equitably and in a fair manner. We have been, and still are, in the process of seeking legal advice.
Achieving this will take time and thought to consider all of the reasonable options in the interest of all the concerned members of the various communities.

UPDATE - Lots of rumours circulating - Large amount of DAO ETC Funds Have Been Moved To a  POLONIEX Address - POLONIEX is aware of the situation

https://twitter.com/eth_classic/status/763341172265848832

Well, congratulations: you got your wish. :)


Without the need of a lawyer, I should add...

Now if only the actual DAO thief would show such honour.

Yes we won't be hodling our breaths.

But the ETC criminal coin lovers don't want the DAO goat hacker thief to give it back, or show such honour. It is his (according to the code laid forth in The DAO contract). "LOOK!" They said, "he is only doing what the code laid forth in the DAO contract"

So now he will sell it all, and take profit, as is his right.

I know sir that you are correct. But thankfully after the successful hardfork the only money he will be stealing are the gullible ETC criminal coin fools. As the saying goes, an ETC criminal coin fool and his money are easily parted.

There is no ETC community that thinks that the attacker earned anything honestly. There may possibly be a small number of individuals that think that way

Me too. Once the coins are sold, we will have ETC which will be clean and untarnished and Ether which had a Hard Fork, and people can decide which coin they prefer

What is the update to this? It is like ETC holders and supporters are in denial of this and they are ignoring it. They all hail that the ETC from the white hat hackers will be returned but it might not be true. Is this the reason why ETC is going down this quickly?

I'd say that is the reason, as people like to avoid uncertainty.
But once the coins are sold we have clean blockchain

The ETC of the Ethereum Foundation and some big holders should be sold to the people who like to own that.

ETC criminal chain will never be clean because of the way it's come about and the type of criminal elements it attracts.

Should? You cannot make them sell what they do not want to sell. It is also better for them to hold a stake in ETC in case the platform becomes successful. Trying to destroy it will only be a waste of resources.

http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/08/11/white-hat-hackers-could-have-crashed-ethereum-classic/



Its unbelievable that Ethereum gave a statement of securing 7.2 million funds in the case a HF didn't gain approval.
Now the situation is that nobody knows what the hell is going on with DAO ETC which is being sent around. Furthermore i don;t even know whether to trust the White hat who claimed to have secured it. I just don;t understand why he would come public with his identity if he isn't going to return it therefore i am giving this situation the benefit of the doubt.

I don't really know whats going on, I will update when the situation is clearer.

What a mess of a situation, I had so much hope for the DAO when i invested - and its just led to a bunch of BS.

How much did you invest in DAO and have you received your refund in ETH? I also invested and now have my refund in ETH. I don't think it's quite as simple as you imagine to return the white hat DAO ETC criminal coin as you just with the click of a finger/moose. I also believe that the white hats deserve something for their endeavours.

You would expect the White hats tp be pretty transparant about what they are doing with the funds before sending them. They know the funds are being watched closely.
They would announce that they are sending the funds to X address & Y Address for this reason or that.
So far - Nada.
We'll have to wait and see how this plays out i guess.

Maybe the white hats don't want to risk revealing themselves. Afterall the black hats, who having shown their truely disgusting nefarious colors, would more than likely go on to target them in some way.

So the white hat cannot sell the ETC in exchanges if they want to remain anonymous. It can donate the ETC.

More update:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4xasg3/follow_up_statement_on_the_etc_salvaged_from/?st=irrtyomt&sh=ef321958

The apologist on the Reddit thread are hilarious, it's almost impossible to defend this action or hold it in good faith. There was no need to do this; this was a malicious and possibly illegal act before the exchange froze the coins.

this part was the best:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4xasg3/follow_up_statement_on_the_etc_salvaged_from/?st=irrtyomt&sh=ef321958

yes, people are too stupid to take care of their coins, so we will do it for them. riiiiight. of course peeps were stupid to invest in the 1st place so maybe that does make sense.

FULL DISCLOSURE: i tossed some coin at the dao.

The Ethereum foundation have lost the confidence of the people. Especially the people here in the forum who knows what is really going on. They are as black as the DAO attacker. Now I think it is all a sham from the beginning. If that is true then ETC and ETH could only be selling dreams and fantasies and what it could do in theory. In practice it is only a toy that Vitalik knew will not work and there was an argument from a chatlog with Gmaxwell that says that Vitalik's ideas under the hood of Ethereum will not work.

Any update on the pre-fork DAO tokens? Is it going to be refunded to investors?

As the tokens have lost their backing (the ETH/ETC underlying the asset), I think they are worthless and not quite a priority at the moment. It would be like redistributing used stratch off tickets. Eth Foundation is too concerned with the multiple millions of dollars of ETC in its possession, those DAO tokens have been put on a very high shelf for the moment. Also, I don't think people will speculate on these knowing they are flawed and valueless, but I have been surprised before.

For the ETH DAO tokens, they have been returned to the original holders. For the ETC ones, some of them will be returned.

Good article.

https://medium.com/@jackfru1t/the-robin-hood-group-and-etc-bdc6a0c111c3#.be2aj8pl7

Very good article. But are the things written here all true? It could be that they are because they have posted all over reddit about being involved one way or another. A very sloppy job by them. They expected the original chain to go away that is why they did not have any interest in the ETC by them. Now that it has survived they tried to dump it on Polo and Kraken. :D

The article cites a lot of sources and verifiable facts. At the very least you can look at those and make up your own mind, unlike with the Bity explanation for the dump attempt, which was mostly opinion and speculation.

Some more ETH drama and another change to make some nice money on a flip? Sign me up.

I am not sure about future events, but it seems some ETC pumpers have made good money out of the lose of some holders.

I sold all my ETC when the price was $0.5. Maybe I should sell at a higher price. But I am happy that the price should be 0, so I have made some profits.

While now the price is 1.82$ and at some point was even higher.

Yes. They have posted many things on reddit and corresponded with the community about it so they cannot deny anything anymore if someone wants this to go to court. Maybe that is why they are hiding behind Bity SA for legal advice. Which brings me to another question. What is Bity SA and why is the white hat hacking group using them for legal advice?

Will anybody in the world bring a case against the white hat hackers? Will that be also a public prosecution?

They are returning the funds therefore there will not be a need for that.

How about the black hat hacker? Will anybody in the world bring a case against the black hat hackers soon?

Well the black hat(s) tried to dump whereas the contract winner is not hurting the eco system in the least as opposed to the black Hat "RHG" That tried to use misappropriated funds to crash a market and cash out and only changed their mind when they got caught.