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I've been doing some research and funnily enough, I saw tons of shitty posts by kids wanting to make a few cents. Well, here's a message to you guys selling your souls for $0.001. And before you say "it's more in Bitcoin!!!", it's still a dust amount.

So first of all, this is to you... "farmers."

If you make 3 accounts, you'll need to get to Hero Member to make a decent amount via SIG CAMPAIGNS.

So if activity is based on this...


and the ranks need this much activity to reach...


Then you need to wait around 30-40 weeks. And that's assuming you make 14 posts every 2-week period.

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So let's talk about long term income. If you farm...

1 account (the stats are):

32 weeks before you can make an income. Once you can join a campaign, you'll make around 0.0008 BTC per post or 0.035 BTC a week.
Let's say there are 100 days left in the year once you join a campaign. That's around 14 weeks. 0.035*14 = 0.49 BTC.

In a one year period, you managed to make 0.49 BTC which is currently == 381.82 US Dollar.
Now let's figure out the hourly income long-term through the year doing that. (and day and week and month.)

Monthly income (3 months out of 100 days): $127.30 a month.
Weekly income (14 weeks out of 100 days): $27.27 a week.
Daily income (100 days out of 100 days): $3.81 a day.
Hourly income (2,400 hours out of 100 days): $0.15 a day.
Yearly income (381.82*3.10(?)) = > $1.2K (and the campaign is unlikely to run that long.)


This is assuming that you are able to meet the minimum requirements of 75(?) high quality posts a week.

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2 accounts (the stats are):

32 weeks before you can make an income. Once you can join a campaign, you'll make around 0.0008 BTC per post or 0.035 BTC a week.
Let's say there are 100 days left in the year once you join a campaign. That's around 14 weeks. 0.035*14 = 0.49 BTC.

In a one year period, you managed to make 0.98 BTC which is currently == 762.50 US Dollar.
Now let's figure out the hourly income long-term through the year doing that. (and day and week and month.)

Monthly income (3 months out of 100 days): $127.30*2 a month = $254.60 a month.
Weekly income (14 weeks out of 100 days): $27.27*2 a week = $54.54 a week
Daily income (100 days out of 100 days): $3.81*2 a day = $7.62 a day
Hourly income (2,400 hours out of 100 days): $0.15*2 a day = $0.30 an hour.

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3 accounts (the stats are):

You get the point.

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Now, let's compare those to a minimum job (this is in the US.). Even at part time, you would usually get 8 shifts (and this is if you get a crappy manager) at a place like McDonald's. If you're up for it, you can get up to 20 hours a week, more or less. Now with the minimum wage, and assuming you work 1.5* between the 8 and 20 shifts, let's assume you work 14 hours a week @ 7.25 USD per hour.

That would bring you up to around $101.5 a week. Now we take away 25% (taxes(?)) which leaves us with around $75 a week.

Weekly income: $75 a week. Amount of effort: MUCH less than making 150 posts a week that meet 10 requirements and a whole lot of eye strain (+ probably carpal tunnel at the end) for a 50% higher wage

So let's compare one more time.

McDonald's job at $75 a week (min wage + min hours(ish)) = 75*4
vs
2 BCT accounts @ hero rank making $50(?) a week with a HIGH PAYING signature campaign = 54*4

McDonald's = $300 in one month.
BCT = $216 in one month.

McDOnald's = Easier, more efficient and much better.

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"Okay 0x000010, what is your point?

Here's my point. You all need to stop wasting your life farming accounts on a forum for pennies and pissing the hell out of everyone else, and go find a job. Sure you might be living in a third world country but still, you could be creative and do somethign else with your time. Find a business idea, look at the many ideas online, if you can't get a job you have to find a way. You can't live the rest of your life scavenging off of forums. Even if it's just extra income, you're wasting WAY too much time on it (I know some people with 10+ accounts at a time in one signature campaign (usually in one, sometimes spread out.)

And my MESSAGE to SIGNATURE SPAMMERS

You guys are SO annoying. I see 500 people repeating the SAME bloody SENTENCE or copying and pasting off of another website on EVERY single thread, especially in the GAMBLING section. Or the lending section. It's BLOODY annoying. And for WHAT? A few BLOODY CENTS? Shame on you. If you're wanting money off of it, don't bloody SPAM like a retard. At least post in threads wher eyou can actually HELP someone out.

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RANT OVER.

Though I straightly see the reason for the kids to earn some BTC while they don`t know what to do in the IN, I don`t see the reason in screaming in the site like a girl about an issue that happens everywhere in the Internet

Are you trying to play "an aware and conscious boy" who knows the Holly Truth?

You are reminding me these useless kids right now. The same shit - different side

How old are you, screaming kid?

well it's better than letting spammers get away with it mate.

If they are copy-pasting content from the internet (without sources, e.g. Press section), then please report them. This warrants a permanent ban.

So I need about 100 accounts to become rich ??? Good plan!


/s

Well the minimum wage in other countries don't go as high as $7.25 (in my place that's only ~$4 USD). In poorer countries that is even worse. You have mentioned BCT members with 2 accounts can make $216 a month, which is already a good amount for those (and also other person earning online demanding an extra cup of coffee).

 I find it funny how you think people farm 3 accounts :D There are people with over 20 accounts. Those people do make a whole lot more than cents an hour. All you do is write 20 posts a day from each account. If 2 account makes 200+ dollars than it means that 20 accounts make 2000+ dollars. Thats a whoooole lot of money in many places of the world.
 
 For this , all you gotta do is bring your profiles to a decent rank and write posts with them , thats it.


 I still think they are spammers and I wish we could find them and ban them , but that doesn't mean they are not making money.

1. Not all country have the same minimum wage, for example in my country only $1 per hour
2. Not all users in signature campaign spends hours( or whole day) here in the forum (some only visit here on their free time and have RL job)
3. Some people don't want to work in McDonalds as they don't want other people to ask them what should they do (atleast here in the forum they can do posting in any time they are free) and not all people are fit to work.

"as they don't want other people to ask them what should they do "

 ??? ??? ???

For the real problem farmers who cultivate hundreds, if not thousands of accounts, you can see why it's worth it for them.  Especially if they are in lower-income countries.  From what I gather, the large-scale farmers only post in order to rank up the accounts in order to sell them.  That's the income they work towards and if they can earn from a sig campaign in the meantime, even better.  People who buy these accounts may only have 3 or 10 accounts, but they start earning on signature campaigns straight away without having to work up through the ranks.

What I'm trying to say is that I think it's naive to recommend that all these people give up what they're doing and get a job in McDonalds.  For the people involved in account farming and "professional" posting, it evidently is worth it.  That's why the forum has to take action to stop it.  The problem won't solve itself and will only get worse.


PS. This is and always will be my only account on this forum, and if I had to choose between working 12 hours on my computer and working 1 hour in McDonald's for the same pay, I would choose my computer every time  ;D

This thread needs to be stickied and you need to bold up the part where you explain what your point is.

Look, I get what you're saying. But see the thing is, they don't give a shit about anything other than themselves. Go on any thread in the gambling section or meta where someone asks a question.
The layout will look something like this:

OP asks question: "what is penis ??"

Answer 1: links 10 helpful pages, explains it in own words.

Next 10 answers from 10 accounts with 3 owners: repeating the answer. " penis when man love Woman much !!!!!  :-\ :-* tnx, for ask ,,,"

If they put some effort into their posts and actually contributed, it wouldn't be such a problem.

they might be doing to for more then just bitcoin dust, they could be learning about bitcoin as they go along and obviously their working on their typing speed and English.

That would be true if majority of the weren't in the gambling section repeating what someone else said or in meta/discussion threads posting basic knowledge. Yeah some people are in it for the good and I (as well as many others probably) have nothing against them. It's the spammers that we all hate.

'They' represents a smaller part of the total signature campaign participants. I'd say that there are more than 10 spammers (account wise) for every genuine poster.

Correct. They avoid anything that requires actually thinking and/or skills to properly contribute. It is easy to spew out half-baked posts in threads of lower quality (I should know).

I find it quite distasteful that the OP has no idea how much $200 per month is to some people.

I could list all of the stats about how many BILLIONS of people in the world live on less than this and the fact that one BILLION people live on less than $1 per day but instead I'll point out that there are many hundreds of thousands of people in the developed world who have jobs but do not have anywhere near as much as $200 per month disposable income. I don't know about you but I'd do all it takes to have a little bit of extra money available should I need to buy something for my family.

I agree that low quality posts are an issue here but if you think that doing something part time to earn an extra $200 a month isn't worth it, you need a reality check.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I just see the bit I've bolded as the salient point.  They don't give a shit and we can't make them give a shit.  Why should they when they're only doing it for the money and they can get paid the same for a crappy meaningless spam post as for a constructive post that they'd have to spend ten minutes thinking about?  Admin needs to take a stance against this epidemic in a way that's going to either block them (block registrations/logins from the same IP?) or make it more trouble for them than it's worth (require participants of signature campaigns to submit copies of their ID KYC style?).  Just trying to appeal to the farmers'/spammers' conscience and decency is futile, precisely because they don't give a shit.

No I know how much $1 is. I know how much money is worth in third world countries. But the thing is if they get too attached to spamming on forums, what will they do if signature campaigns close down? Or if something happens and they need to get a real job. I'm not saying not to do it. No one is. But the spammers need to learn that there are BETTER ways of making money. They're throwing hours away doing nothing but posting shit for a few cents. And the funny thing is most of them just use the money to gamble. (Sure there could be people desperate for money, but the point still stands.)

I in no way think that making an extra $200 is a bad thing but if you want money at least put in SOME effort.

but still its a users choice where they want to post, campaign rules are not really required to follow. users should always remember signature campaign is not a job (though campaigns really help some people). signature campaigns is only an incentive while you are posting here in the forum and not paying you to make post, its not the same

And who says that signature campaign should not be considered a job?
I am not encouraging spammers by saying that they "need" to make xx amount of posts in order to get paid as they will be caught eventually, but if you are saying that we should not go by the rules if in a signature campaign, better not to join it, ah?
Signature campaigns should be treated as an assigned job as you are in because you are supposed to advertise them, obviously through contributing in a better way and not through spamming.

job
noun \ˈjäb\

1. a piece of work; especially a small miscellaneous piece of work undertaken on order at a stated rate

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Seems to me like it checks out. Signature campaigns are tasks that you sign up for - you fulfill a quota to receive payment. The pay rates can differ, but the principle is still the same. Think of most jobs in the world - they can be usually compared to signature campaigns. There are rules, there are managers, and there is payment for your work done.

In signature campaigns, you are paid to market to consumers. However, you aren't paid on clicks or views but rather the quantity of the number of posts you spit out - similar to renting out billboards. In this case, the user is the billboard and that is their job.

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But the problem is the sheer amount of spam. In real life, would you really just slack off in your job and crank out shit to fulfill your quota for payment?

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If given the opportunity to do so, a lot of people would. That's the problem. Spammers exist because they can; part of the blame lies on the signature campaigns that AREN'T cracking down on spammers and allowing them to exist in the forum.

I still couldn't think of signature campaign as a job, its is just a incentive as we are making post and discussing things here in the forum. Paid while posting and post to get paid are not the same

@actmyname that is if you want the campaigns to tell you what to do then it is considered a job but all campaigns dont tell you that you MUST only follow them and not your brain on where you want to join a discussion

Just delete all the spam posts and you'll see that the forum goes down in ranks and no longer would be the number one forum for crypto. Any post you feel to be spam just use the report button if they are spam then moderators know what to do.

Instead of discouraging this account farmers you were talking you just give them some info's to new aspirant account farmers good luck to you tho you have a point .

Haha that's what I thought after reading it. From a sociological point of view OP's post is very interesting. It proves that people around the world are completely different and can be really close minded.
Unfortunately, OP doesn't know the value of money and he shows that by saying sums like 760USD a year are dust and compares it to a $300 McDonalds job. A job he thinks is crappy.
It makes me think of that pic i saw on 9gag with $30 food http://9gag.com/gag/axD6ZOM It's really not difficult to find countries, where a hourly rate is below $3, you know ;)

Holy hell man, quit reading what shitty posts you come across then...simple as that.  Are you new to the internet? After skimming through discussion boards / forums long enough, the brain pretty much blocks out certain material, for example horrid english + lack of punctuation + repeating the same thing that has been posted 100 times already (aka 90% of this board's thread replies).  You do realize that you've landed yourself in an equally annoying category, though?  Those whom do nothing constructive about signature spammers, instead berate and attack them.  These threads lump everyone with a signature together as a result - over time, people assume all those carrying a sig are simply posting for the spare change it rewards.  To that, I say look at reddit...99% of those replies are shit, and the posters are doing it off the clock!  Some of us simply enjoy the community/internet boards/etc.  Having a sig doesn't hurt any, so why NOT get what few bits are available?  (I understand this is directed at SPAMMERS - but still, directed towards the 'lumping together' mentioned before)

The real users at fault are moderators, whom allow such desecration of the english language to continue.  It'd be easy as hell for them to identify and remove specific spammers without hurting the rest of us...

Yeh but McDonalds don't pay in bitcoin, these here campaigns do, an' it's real easy work.  It's jist some'a these muthafuckas don' care about quality an' they cain't write an English sentence ta save they life.  The copypastez is jist stupid for doin' that.  That is tha lazziest way to make a few cents, an' the stupidest one too.  Y'all get banned right quick as Lauda say'ed. 

Most o' these fools buy they account first, an' the OP here ought to know that fact.  Most o' them don't take the time to log up they accounts.  Jist like scammin'.

according to the stats you came up with farming a dozen hero accounts could net someone an american minimum wage income or a third world middle class income and you think that's going to discourage anyone? sounds like a great earner and if i needed the money i'd be doing it myself.

To everyone saying it's helpful for the people in a minimum wage country...

Sure it is. But what are they gonna do after signature campaigns finish? Or something happens to their internet and they spent all their time farming posts like a bitch instead of looknig for an actual job or opportunity? What are they gonna do, kill them selves looknig for more BTC?

That is why people is actually abusing the signature campaign because as what you have said that we all do not know when would be the last time that this campaigns are going to earn. There are a lot of basis why people choose to work at home you should also try to think of what was the reasons do i have to state one? Finding a job is not easy especially if you do live in the third world countries ;)

If you have the ability to make significant money from spamming your signature, then I believe that you have the ability to make a lot more by monetising blogs.

This makes me wonder what age these sig participants are. Maybe they're too young for a fast food job or their still in school.

No. Stop neglecting the problem and indirectly support the spread of this infestation.

Copy-paste isn't even such a big problem (since it's 'ban-on-sight'). The standard spammers are.

I do not care where you come from, nor what you're doing/have done. Background information will not make you suddenly 'not a bad poster', nor should it except you from anything. Everyone should be treated equally in this regard: If you can't contribute in a useful way, then you shouldn't be contributing in said topic, section et al.

I've been getting PMs of people claiming to be kids, in various situations and with various diseases. Even if these 'stories' were true, that should not and does not affect my view of said users.

Age shouldn't matter. I'm still in school too, and I'm barely old enough for a job. Does that mean I make shitty posts all over a "high quality" forum for a few cents? The reason these people will never make a HIGH amount of money like you or I is because they would slave away for 1 cent. Just go to the services section and you'll see. Anyway, if they're too young for a job then wouldn't they have other things to worry about than spamming for a few cents? It encourages a bad type of pattern for them, and it's possible they'll get into bad habits like gambling.

Thinking about it, the internet right now is able to promise a lot of opportunities if you're unable to find a job in your local area. Think about software projects or graphic design tasks for example -- how easy is it to connect to others online? How easy is it to learn something that you can use as a skill, as a job for your future?

Then... why don't people do it? Laziness.

Signature campaigns offer the lazy man an easy way to gain money... unfortunately. And due to this, there's exploitation and farmed accounts start spawning. Why would you bother working hard, going through lots of work to learn about something when you can simply go onto the internet every day and recycle crap?

You can simply look at a couple recent posts, spout the same thing, and boom! Instant cash. Another problem with this is that these campaigns are usually linked to gambling - which is what participants may use it on (if they're not struggling for cash... or sometimes even when they are). Easy come, easy go.

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If someone REALLY is desperate for employment, they should learn to program and try to work online in that field. It's easy enough (to pick up) and rewards dedication. As opposed to shitposting, I think it's a far better career choice.

Do you have like specific stats to show this? Or is it just your belief.

Aside from the SMAS blacklist vs. total number of participants, or Bitmixer (number of participants vs. number of banned users), I can't give any stats. For example, in Bitmixer the ratio was ~1:8 (1 participant for every 8 banned users) last time I checked. It's pretty much impossible to figure out determine who is who (genuine vs. spammer) on a global scale (i.e. for everyone).

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Tl;dr: It is my belief based on my own observations / work.

So then its all suspicion. I do expect a lot of spammers come here to make a living but your 1:10 ratio seemed out of line to me. I'm sure its quite a lot but I doubt that many are spammers. It may just seem like that. Thanks for taking the time to answer me.

Not exactly 'all suspicion. One can't create this conclusion for all campaigns and at all times (as obviously it will differ due to various factors). However, this is just upscaling of localized numbers.

I'm pretty sure that there are more than the majority seems to think. Just remember, we have several examples of 1 person owning over 10 accounts.

You guys just don't get it.  These aren't mere individuals spamming the forum for pennies as said.  This is a professionally run operation.  Don't believe me?  Read this article then.  I'm sure there's one or two operating in this forum right now.

The Bot Bubble:  Click Farms Have Inflated Social Media Currency
https://newrepublic.com/article/121551/bot-bubble-click-farms-have-inflated-social-media-currency

So the signature campaigns aren't really the problem.  The buying and selling of accounts are.  The sig campaigns just happen to be there for them to make a little extra.

Two words: free market. Forum pays for signatures, people start abusing it and making more accounts to earn more money. Same thing happened with Youtube and Facebook likes, solving captchas and many more.
The article is interesting, but this is only one of the many similar companies. I remember reading about a government agency in Russia, that was using the same tactic to influence forums.

This is the thing that makes us uncomfortable, everyone will make the signature campaign as income so that they do not regularly post and constructive.

Yeah.

I just want to see ONE quality thread where the replies dont look like they're being forced by people that have a gun to their head. One reason I miss other forums is because they had a strict enforcement on advertising other sites in their signature like how we do on here. I never got it until now.

You simply have no idea what a third world country is.
"A Third World country is a country whose views are not aligned with NATO and capitalism or the Soviet Union and communism. The use of the term "Third World" started during the Cold War and was used to identify which of three categories the countries of the world aligned with."
Please get your facts correct before accusing other countries to be poor.
As for Signature campaign spammers, the could simply buy accounts of Hero Members and keep spamming. The only possible solution is IP checks.

OP, you're being naieve enough to think that everyone here is an average US adult without a job who thinks that they will become rich of a signature campaign. The damn minimum wage here is $17 and I'm here, aren't I?

The way I see it, there are two kinds of signature users on this forum. Illiterate spammers from third and second world countries who try to earn a bit of dust in a quest to get to a better place but in turn ruining this forum, and people that genuinely are interested in the forum, and want to have some extra dust to play with.


That may be the original meaning of the phrase, but the term these days is usually used to describe their status in relation to the superpowers of the world. 3rd being not developing or doing so at a rate that will only make the gap bigger over time, 2nd being developing, a country that's GDP is growing at a rate that will catch up to 1st World countries, and 1st having a high stable GDP.


Proxies and VPNs (especially public and free ones) have a high chance of being marked and can earn you a unit of evil for your troubles.

Again...

"Here's my point. You all need to stop wasting your life farming accounts on a forum for pennies and pissing the hell out of everyone else, and go find a job. Sure you might be living in a third world country but still, you could be creative and do somethign else with your time. Find a business idea, look at the many ideas online, if you can't get a job you have to find a way. You can't live the rest of your life scavenging off of forums. Even if it's just extra income, you're wasting WAY too much time on it (I know some people with 10+ accounts at a time in one signature campaign (usually in one, sometimes spread out.)"

What will they do when sig campaigns end? Live with no money? Better to start now.

Half the signature spammers don't even know what Bitcoin is. They're just allured by the idea that they can make actual money from little physical work and in their case, little mental work too.

But I've got to admit, it's not as easy as it seems to apply for a job if you don't have the skills, especially in more... "Unfortunate" countries.

Hm... Why do you think faucets were such a success?

Why did you use your ALT account to write this? Is your original account red marked or SMAS banned for sig camp and now you are jelious?


You are wrong, 10 farming accounts in signature campaign worth 0.03-0.04BTC weekly is not few pennies, it is 1.2-1.6BTC/month, and with this bitcoin price it is a hell good money for just typing few words.
Maybe 1000$ from signature campaign is better then 200$ for hard work they can do in their countries, if they can find job at all.


You don't know shit you are saying kid. You have never been in situation where you can't find any type of income even small one.
Don't get me wrong, i don't like farming account spammers, report them if you find them, but the way you talk, it is just wrong.


 >:(  >:(  >:(

That's news to me. Who owns more then 10 accounts, is there a thread I can read to catch up on that?

There are threads such as this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1702409.0) where other users attempt to link accounts through blockchain and other evidence*. If you look at the first few posts you can see multiple users with several accounts each.

*None of it is hard proof, however it is fairly likely it is correct.

Just click report and you will ban? Sometimes many were reported but they still can spam.   ???

I wouldn't call it quite 'high'.

There are only two active staff members that can issue bans right now: Cyrus and hilariousandco. It's solely up to them whether someone will be banned or not.

Yeh fuck dat.  Laziness an' stupidity thrive in dirt po' countries,  an' reading what they write is an exercise in ponderous futility.   Them mothafukkas need to stop reproducin' so freely.  Mah point is, would you let a buncha homeless fools party in yo backyard an' use it as a commode?  Naw, I din't thank so!!

The fact is most signature spammers don't live in the US and probably have nothing better to do with the time or even unemployed.

You're right, that was also my point. Comparing forum payouts to US wages will, despite what OP thinks, still show campaigns as profitable. Even if you cut the payouts by half it wouldn't discourage people from spamming, because of wage differences. To give you a perspective, I've noticed some of the spam coming from Indonesian forum users. Minimum monthly wage in Indonesia is close to $100 according to this site http://www.salaryexplorer.com/salary-survey.php?loc=101&loctype=1 Even if they are wrong and it's twice that (200USD), you can still earn such money here. This means in some parts of the world an unemployed person can treat forum like a typical day job.

I thought the majority were people from the Phillippines. That's what I've noticed, but perhaps I'm wrong (selection bias).

An unemployed person can treat this as a typical day job, yes. However, if they are spamming, that is absolutely not okay. When you work for someone, you don't do a shit job and expect them to pay you. A signature spammer values quantity over quality... when does this occur in real life? (Maybe low-end jobs where you need to pump out crap) If a user can't even do their job properly, do they deserve it? If they're unemployed, they have the time to post quality content. I've noticed 30 posts is the quota for a lot of campaigns, so we'll simply use that number.

Let's say you post 4 posts on the weekdays and 5 posts on the weekends - is it that hard to find a worthy discussion that has a question/topic which hasn't been talked about over and over again to add some new information to it? If you have an entire day to write 4 or 5 posts, that's several hours you have per post. Even if you take an hour for each of those posts, that's a 30-hour work week.

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It shouldn't matter what their living conditions are. Spam is spam, and should not be tolerated... and I hate it when spammers attempt to feign ignorance by stating that they do not know if a post is spam, or if they claim that their English is poor and thus the grammar falls. Absolutely ridiculous. After skimming through the post, you should be able to tell whether it has substance or not; if your English is poor, you should go to a local board. I don't try to market products in China with shitty grammar, and they shouldn't market the signature in the English-based sections with shitty grammar.

(but then of course the secondstrade campaign is filled with spammers, giving them opportunities)

I second that. I wonder how captcha solving and faucet services became famous. I wonder how people can even make new faucets every day and wait for a large traffic but I am always proved wrong. Why do people waste days of hard work for few cents? The idea of Freelancing doesn't even cross their mind. To be candid, collecting BTC from faucets and waiting for giveaways is not my cup of tea. We can do much better than that using our brains.

Same goes for Signature Campaign. Some people randomly post on useless threads that are already filled up with the same posts. I am no exception to that. I had given my account to a friend and after a month, I came back only to see myself kicked from that campaign. I've seen many Newbies reading about BTC and/or hearing from their friends and hoping that they would be rich instantly if they're introduced to the Bitcoin world. They can go from scamming to falling as low as to beg for tips. They gamble away their earned BTC and blame the website for being rigged. I've seen how they take online money so lightly. Even 100$ seems nothing when stored online whereas they would do anything to bargain just a few cents from marts.

They are not unskilled or illiterate, it is just that they don't value online currency. They don't take Signature Campaign as an important job which can be displayed from their post quality.

You are making the mistake of thinking that McDonalds minimum wage applies in every country in the world... but someone making 380 ish dollars with 3 accounts posting on the internet is having a great deal in certain countries. Even in some European countries like in some parts of Czech republic or nearby, you could make a living in some non expensive area with that money.

Sig campaigns are saving a lot of people's lives. Let's not ruin something that has an actual direct impact on people's lives thanks to bitcoin. Some people hate commuting and having a boss telling you what to do, they may prefer to make less money and get the freedom of working at your own schedule in return, plus like I said before, in some countries you make more than minimum wage with sig campaigns (is not my case, for me is just a small bonus, im still doomed to work unfortunately).

That's not our problem. People should try to acquire some actually useful skills rather that mindlessly posting garbage around here. For example, it is not that hard to pick up some programming language for some entry level position.

Again, not our problem. People that are genuinely contributing will continue to get paid. People that are posting garbage just to get paid will eventually keep getting banned / blacklisted / etc. We need to prevent them from diluting this forum; the average posting quality is already worrisome.

If they were actually doing their "job" properly, then I'd say that this problem would be much smaller. However, these people usually don't care about Bitcoin nor the forum and just want the money.

I agree with Lauda there, yes maybe you earn maybe around 380ish dollars with three accounts posting here you still shouldn't it is still the same as disobeying the rules, the law, the word of the master. It is clearly stated that it is allowed to, but earning from it is discouraged. The point of the OP is the quality of the post and abiding with the rule. Like Lauda sid you should try learning some skills to have a job to earn for a living. *programming is one of it

Developed country citizens don't need to farm accounts actually, their wages are high and it is not worth, find a normal job is paying much than campaigns. Only developing country citizens spam. Sad.

It's not the Country where the spammer is located, being a spammer is a behavior problem. You'll be surprised to know that there are even students around here who are joining those signature campaigns that are having a hard time withdrawing their earnings because of identification issue or they cant provide an ID that is considered and only have library cards or school ID on hand.

I like how subtly you're defending stuff. :) You sure terms like "unemployed" won't offend folks here from the 3rd World country ? I think not.Logical fallacies anyway.
Most of the scammers do come from the US though.


I'd beat you down if you want to have a discussion about global economies and how "Developed" countries have exploited resources from so called "poor countries" to fulfill their greed leaving the poor countries in dire circumstances.Unfortunately,you're too unimportant for that.

Right, you can find a number of forum users, who come from so called "developed countries" and used to profit from account and trust farming, account trading, abusing campaigns and giveaways and more.
$200 a month from a campaign is a significant sum, even if you're earning over $1000 per month. If you don't agree, try asking in the street for $20 or $10, and you'll see most people won't give you anything, because even that $10 has a value to them.

OP, your a "junior" member here? You don't know how this works.
Or just one shit account of many? Deflecting attention away from your vast profits.

You say "I've been doing some research..". I can assure you, as a junior member, your "research" into "farmed" accounts is inferior to mine.
Unless you are farming these accounts, unhindered by theymos, in which case i have a few questions for you.

I have an unpublished list of 90+ accounts, farmed over just 2 days, on 8/9 August 2016, that i found in an hour or two looking at my data base recently.
These 90+ accounts are controlled by 1 person. All posts are by 1 person.
Looking at their posts, Sig money is now small change.
Now promoting Wings, ARK.io, STRATIS, chronobank.io, and on..
(pay theymos to advertise any scam here and get 100 shill accounts with immunity from admin? am i close)

How much will 1 person with 90 accounts be making?
1 person with 200 accounts, how much are they making? (already shown elsewhere to be lots more than your research suggested)

Trouble is, 90+ accounts is 3 pages of A4 for me copy out on forum. 4h work. Hampered by theymos. Bummer.
And i got other lists too. (i've already published 600 accounts with no admin interest ffs)


Oh well, i will do it over the next few days.

Do you know why I joined a signature campaign? Gives me a nice pocket money just enough to buy coffee and breakfast and yes, I do have a job, I work at a shitty car wash, everyday. mon-fri from 8am to 4pm, sat from 8am to 8pm and sun from 8am to 2pm and all that for 16k RSD a month or close to 150$ a month... is it worth it? no. Can I find something else? probably but it would be same shit. Why can't I find anything better? Because I've finished only high school and currently in college. So yeah, just because it doesn;t mean anything to you because your forum is getting clogged :'((( doesn't mean that it doesn't help out anybody else, faggot. Just blacklist/ignore the users that bother you.

 Also, thanks for giving me negative trust for a really stupid reason, it was a misunderstanding and I gave him a collateral, a Sr. member account that surely is worth more that 20$. Ban me, I don't care. Fuck you.

Props for the hard working schedule mate.Must be hard being a college student in which ever country you're from.

Or simply follow DannyHmilton's Ignore list.

Well that's quite rude mate.No need to make multiple accounts to harness the freedom given to earn from signature campaigns.

I understand some of you work hard, I do get it.

But think about it, you're wasting time for nothing. I'm barely old enough to get a job here and I'm still in school yet this week I managed to make $1.1k to buy a laptop with and I still have $150 left in btc.

3 days. $1.2k. No spamming, no job, no bullshit.

You just need to find something that works for you

I think some of your numbers and assumptions are off a little bit. Although it does look like the signature market for lower level accounts (under senior member) is very depressed.

I would say that it would probably make the most sense for farmers to make 1-2 posts every activity period, then once they have enough potential activity to become a senior, they join a signature campaign for 'members' and post enough to become senior, then join a campaign for senior members (which appears to pay >0.001 BTC/post generally -- nearly $1/post). I have not really observed this, however I would guess this is what they are doing if they wanted to be more economically efficient with their time.

It is obvious that the farmers are making enough money to make it worth their while, otherwise they wouldn't be doing what they are doing.

I've had something that worked for me untill I got neg trust and got kicked out of sig camp.

This is achievable if you have some good skill which can give you nice income apart from that what OP wants to tell is ok but their are users from country where the fiat conversion is high and they are earning more then their day work that is why their are so many signature spammers.

I find quite ironic that you are suggesting this. Given that you are on that list too. You want him to ignore your posts too?
Personally I don't find Danny's ignore list to be accurate representation of people who are spammers/idiots.
He admitted that at some point that he added everyone wearing signature to his list. I find that approach to be highly biased behaviour - no different than judging book by its cover.

When you work at the shitty car wash did you ever do a half-assed job instead of what you were supposed to? Think about that for a second, then think about the kind of posts that you've made, even before you received the first piece of negative feedback in October.

When you do a shit job, you are punished for that and it will affect your chances to be hired in future jobs. There's the red trust.

If you're trying to tell me that you do post quality content, then justify these posts for me, please.

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This is the 1229th post in the thread.


This is the 827th post in the thread.


This is the 16th post in the thread. Firstly, you are not answering OP's question (which already has been answered, by literally the first reply) and secondly you are also not contributing anything new or even half-relevant because the post directly above yours mentions this: and signature campaign might help you to do some activities to earn bitcoins.



This is the 739th post in the thread.


This is the 254th post in the thread. It was also posted only 2 minutes before the above post.


Post #702


Post #283, the last two were made in ONE MINUTE.

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and the list goes on, and on, and on.

If I work somewhere and do a shit job, I'll be fired and my reputation will go down. Likewise, if you spam that should (and does) impact your likelihood of being accepted into a new signature campaign.

If you try to argue and state that the negative feedback was simply because of a loan gone wrong, I have only this to ask of you: why would you not create a new account immediately to clarify the situation?

And uh, hey... did you see this post?


If you want to see if you can rectify the situation, paying back 0.09 to lihuajkl might help in removing your red trust. If you care, that is.

Well when the signature campaign is offering 20 posts max per day, why not take adventage of that? Hate the game not the player. And everything was working out. Why didnt i create anew account to clearify? I already said, i gave up on this forum and bitcoin and didnt return here for 2 years...  Why should I repay him if Ivr gave him a collateral? Shouldnt collateral be the one to cover that? So by that logic, if the first post in the new topic answers the question, that topic should be locked and deleted, because its pointless to post anymore?

I don't really care to repay him, I have no reason to because collateral should cover that, so take neg trust from that account so he can sell it and bam, problem solved.

What the fuck are you saying? I was in the signature campaign besides working full time job because ot gave me money on the side. So now being registered at a forum is a job? Yobit told me nothing about my posts. Yes, Ill admit that posta before were a lot worse than the most recent ones.

Also, ok, Ill make a new account and post 7 page reply with theory and youtube videos as a practical proof so i don't get red for spam, so then again, why are topics still open even tho question is answered?

I ain't paying shit because I don't have any money and i can't get any money because im flagged... Also, the neg trust? So it should prevent me from trading? Even tho im not flagged for scaming and never scamed anyone asyou can see in my feedback... As I said, you might aswell ban instead of giving people neg trust.

It's an extensive list, and there's nothing ironic about suggesting it. Until someone quotes your posts and DannyHamilton stumbles upon them, then it is not likely that you will get unignored (unless you attempt to explicitly request this via PM). I was also on that list in the past. Let's just accept the fact that there are too many people generating useless noise in signature campaigns in comparison to people that are generating content actually worth reading.

Ranting here and creating consecutive posts (which is discouraged as per forum rules) won't really help you.

I was on mobile phone and found it easier to go back and post another one than trying to tap the edit button