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An ad for a 75 TH/s miner popped up today from a company I have not heard of before: FoxMiners, LLC  https://foxminers.com/ (https://foxminers.com/).

It looks like they released a press release today announcing the pre-sale of their equipment with no ship date mentioned.  The product sounds...unusual: It hashes both Bitcoin and Litecoin.  Its efficiency is about 5x better than an S9 on SHA256 with a 28nm chip.

Thoughts?

***  Foxminers LLC is a SCAM! If someone pays for their non-existent their miners without any well-known and trusted Forum Users 1st getting hold of one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***

Bet it comes with a pair of Unicorns along with their Perpetual Power Generator as well...

edit: to keep most blatant and obvious damning evidence easy to find near the top, here are some of the highlights from later posts here:

Point: 1st of all, they are claiming 75THs of BTC speed, using 1,500w all while using 28nm node ASIC chips. Physically impossible at that node. Period. 28nm tech hit its performance zenith in early to mid 2015. That speed/power spec is over 10x better than even the best 14nm chips (from BW) are capable of at this time.

Point: Frankly, the clincher of this being a fraud should be that their spec sheet <edit: is more than just specs. These are full data sheets detailing chip layouts and how-to-use the chips>  is a near exact copy of SFARAD's https://github.com/sfards/ASIC-SF3301/blob/master/SF3301_Datasheet_v0.51.pdf Logic structure, commands and even the ball map of the chip is identical. Oh, the date of that document? Feb 11 2015.

The only differences are the cover art, the chip name, and what they claim specs are. Oh, and the COPYRIGHT notice. They erased SFARAD's and put in one for them. Now THAT takes some balls especially since they have tried a (fake)  C&D on TheMerkel. For a side-by-side comparison https://draftable.com/compare/hYFmXGvTJdxh

Point: Foxminers emailed a fake Cease-and-Desist notice using a fake name and impersonating a real legal firm https://themerkle.com/how-to-expose-a-bitcoin-mining-scam/
They followed that with another fake email this time a warning of possible legal proceedings against TheMerkel purporting to be from one the many PR firms that Foxminers has paid to place their Pay-for-Placement news releases about their Wonder of the Ages miner. In both case the senders as-shown on the emails were directly contacted and deny any knowledge of sending the email in question.

Point: From another prominent BTC news site http://bitcoinist.com/foxminers-interview-dual-scam/
Edit: Well seems that has been taken down... Here is the Cached link http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BineOLq6v1AJ:bitcoinist.com/foxminers-interview-dual-scam/

Point: A nice little current wrap up article about these SCAMMERS https://news.bitcoin.com/alleged-mining-manufacturer-foxminers-accused-scam/

To keep this wall short(ish), grab your popcorn/peanuts and read through.
Spoiler alert: looks these are same folks behind the UFOminers scam. Just shovel the sh*t in a new sack and try under a new name I guess... That bits kick into gear on page 6.

75THs at 1500W??  That's either epic or scam, and epic is in short supply...  ???

"FoxMiners covers all the delivery fees including Customs Fee."

LOOOL

Epic scam sounds about right.

"You can order any amount you want."  ::)

Sly as a fox(miner).

Anyway, message sent. ) The chances are extremely low, but what if....  ;D

who lives near by go visit them.. see if they are for real.. it is a shopping center the address.

Most likely a scam.

"Horse shit"

Copy/paste from various legit asic manufacturers.


3. The following events will void the warranty:

     a. Customer removes/replaces any components by himself without receiving permission from Bitmain Foxshit first;

     b. Damage caused by poor power supply, lightning or voltage surges;

     c. Burnt parts on hash boards or chips;

     d. Miner/boards/components damage due to water immersion or corrosion due to wet environment.


5. Bitmain Foxshit will cover shipping cost when shipping a replacement unit to the customer within the warranty period.

6. If you notice there are some loose heatsinks when you receive the miner, please inform us by email to info@bitmaintech.com Contact@FoxShit.com within 3 days from the date the package is received according to UPS/DHL/FEDEX's website.



The datasheet is an edit of the SFARDS one, made with SEJDA, just with foxshit chip number pasted instead of SF3301, they even left the "preliminary" watermark...


I'm very likely wrong  ;) , but, if it smells like sh*t, if it looks like sh*t..., I wont taste it just to be sure.

Yea... looks like horse shit to me too  :P

Just did a quick icann whois search and even though all info on their website = USA, the domain is registered to a PO BOX in Queensland, Australia...

Sniff sniff.... ewwwwwwww

100% SCAM

- claim the 28nm chip is more efficient than 16nm ...  what a nonsence
- the price is so low (and including PSU) ... why the hell would anybody sell such 'awesome miner' so low?
-  as a bonus it is dual miner (just in case such super efficient machine would not be profitable in BTC mining)

if anything, you receive just big fat box draining 700 watts but 'working' even without the internet connection (just showing you the amazing hashrate on our screen without the real mining)

They went all out on this one, even registered the LLC with the state of California. PR releases all over the last few days.

Edit: This looks like the LLC's registered agent: https://nuwber.com/person/563a4e4f7686b0176bddfbbf
Who's going to call her and see if she knows it's a scam?

Ive filled their order form yesterday to check their btc rate and they called me 3 times yesterday, had to block them on my phone :)

Its a scam for sure, who on earth would spam their potential clients when you have by far the most advanced product on the market!


Just do the test, fill the form with your phone number, you will get call im sure :)

Well, they have guts, that's for sure.

Their office is about 12 minutes down the road from mine. Maybe I'll go check them out.

Unless of course they're in the McDonalds (which is what Google street shows).

Well, if they're in the US you could sue them into next year if it's a scam if they don't end up in prison.  My thought for acquiring a real world tester is philipma.  I think he might have gotten an antminer or some ASIC with no money up front with some clever arguments and his reputation.  And they do take Paypal, and there is at least a chargeback recourse there.  It does seem a bit crazy, that much gain, but I don't think you can completely write off advances in the engineering of a an ASIC that can run two very similar programs.  Even in more general purpose chips.  Probably every general purpose computer in use today is more powerful than the first supercomputers.  As to the algorithms, never count out a brilliant EE or programmer who finds another way.  History shows us this.

***  Foxminers LLC is a SCAM! If someone pays for their non-existent their miners without any well-known and trusted Forum Users 1st getting hold of one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***

Sigh. Oh the wide-eyed wonder of those who know nothing about how their shiny toys work and even less about the technology behind them... ::)

In this case: Yes we can write it off. NOTHING in their 'specifications' even remotely resemble what the physics behind IC's and ASIC's allows.

Speculation about what could be possible in the future is one thing. Out right lying about what a mature technology like 28nm chips can do is screaming SCAM SCAM SCAM knowing full well that there are many naive wide-eyed rubes out there waiting to be fleeced.

As for suing them.. Right... The only folks that get money out of that is the lawyers. Just talk to folks who sued KnC, Hashfast, AMT, Bitmine.ch and others.

It seems like the consensus is that:
1. These machines are too good to be true
2. They've blatantly cribbed marketing copy from several places
3. Their HQ is in a McDonalds
4. They harass you like they're selling a timeshare after they get your phone #
5. It stinks like horse shit

Did I miss anything?  I appreciate everyone taking a look.  Hopefully, potential "investors" stop by this thread before they send them any money.

That was kind of a crappyass response.  

If I remember correctly from a few days ago, and this is the same thing, I'll check my notes, but I think they claim they found they found a software improvement that kicked ass, and they've been working on it like FIVE years.

I read approximately half of their stuff, and this is speculation, but while doing so I did what I always do, consider remote possibilities.  We don't know what we don't know, but every once in a while someone discovers same.  I did spend a couple years in an engineering program and a computer science program before graduating and I've worked in IT for 30 years.  I do know how computers, code, and IC's work in their CURRENT state. That doesn't mean that can't change.  I need proof of their less understandable claims, which is why I suggested philipma try to get a demo model so that a trusted member of the community can evaluate it.

Additionally, their website worked damn well, and my attention to detail from many years in IT gives me a sharp eye for rushed crappy presentation work.  I always evaluate that as I spent some time in IT for marketing.  I consider it an important measure of professionalism, and I keep tabs on how companies and organizations present themselves..  If it weren't for world events other than the US I'd be the hell out of BTC completely.

The world changes every second.  I'm 'middle age' and I remember doing an activity my daughter hated when she was 12.  We talked about every electric or electronic device in our house that existed when I was her age.  Needless to say, but there wasn't a big list.

I'm not buying one now.  I merely made a suggestion on how their claims could be validated in the real world.  I'm not advocating that anyone try to buy the moon, but some people think we landed here.

Oh, and Google maps can't even place my house correctly, nor many other places.

Just discussing.

Would be kinda fun to fill out their form and leave the Los Gatos Police Department's phone number as the contact number.

Love the video, shows 3 shares accepted, all with difficulty of 0/0, and no work units. Kinda what you get when mining with the WRONG Kernel.

***  Foxminers LLC If someone buys this miner without a well-known and trusted Forum User 1st getting one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***

@ delicopsch56
That was a direct, factual, to-the-point reply. Not 'Crappy ass". It pretty much mirrors the sentiment of others who all say this is a SCAM.

With all of 4 posts and having been here since Dec 2016 you obviously know much more about mining than others here who have been in this game for far longer and have seen this type of SCAM pop up at least 2-3 times a year.

Since you wish to leave in a dream world, so be it. Now on ignore.

Did you folks read the chip whitepaper and ALL the product info for the one I'm assuming we are discussing, FOXMINERS F48?  I'm assuming that from the tech benchmarks in the OP.  The website states it does has 48 dual ASIC's and has some verbiage that indicates in a general way how they achieved that benchmark result with their software and hardware design.

If it isn't a scam or open sourced, you want them to release their full proprietary design and tank immediately instead of waiting a few years for reverse engineering and then tank?  I'm not going to list all the indicators I see that indicate it might not be a scam.  I've spent enough time on this for now, other things to do.  Read the whitepaper.  https://foxminers.com/FM9800DataSheet_FoxMiners.pdf (https://foxminers.com/FM9800DataSheet_FoxMiners.pdf)  A spot of grammar oops here and there but it isn't chinglish to me, nor is their site.  

Making a profit isn't evil or wrong.  No crowdfunding that I saw.  It's a common marketing practice to have a fake introductory discount price but it isn't really illegal.  Don't believe me?  Coke or Pepsi is ALWAYS on sale.

This article is somewhat illuminating.  http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?doc_id=1321536 (http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?doc_id=1321536)

I'm not trying to pump this unit, I have no connection to them other than it came up in my Google alert and I read quite a bit of it.  I think they've released a LOT of info on a new chip and it will take a very good EE\chip designer\coder to vet it all for possibility.  Or someone trustworthy enough to get ahold of one and validate with real world results and publish.

I'm not a big player in the cryptocurrency world but I worked for a considerable time in IT security and handling marketing PID, using cryptography, hashing, salts, and a few other goodies I can't remember the names of currently.  I'm primarily a trader but I keep up with cryptocurrency a good bit, just not reading every thread in this gazillion post DB.

I never do presales, not even for a hundred bucks.  I don't fall for scams, cryptocurrency or otherwise.  I won't buy a unit but I may contact the company and see if I can get one in a low risk fashion or talk to someone else who might.

Crapping on new cryptocurrency advances is very popular.  The zillion new 'journalists need something to do.

I keep a fairly low profile on the web on purpose until lately, when I changed my strategy some.  Like many cryptocurrency enthusiasts I value my privacy so I'm not a big forum poster.

3 unicorns for anyone that can assist me in getting a real world test going.  :)

Well, this thread is at least good for a hearty laugh. Let's recap:

1- a few losers with minimal knowledge of mining, hear about the explosion in BTC & Altcoin prices and decided to hatch a scam
2- after writing up some obviously contrived technical specs, they open a new account on various forums to begin to try to perpetrate their scam
3- newbie with almost no prior activity here posts obviously made-up horse-shyt... including the always laughable "I am not affiliated with this product" BS... trying to convince people this is the best thing since sliced bread
4- after countless, experienced miners call out what utter BS this "product" is, OP continues to go overboard trying to defend it... including referencing 3-year old tech articles that don't have shyt to do with the product, and contrived videos with obvious actors reading BS from cue cards lol
5- OP continues getting slammed and eventually goes away when they realize nobody here is going to give the BS company $1
6- OP and cohorts continue their career at local McDonalds, which is quite ironic given that's the address they used for this supposed company lol

did I miss anything?

***  Foxminers LLC If someone buys this miner without a well-known and trusted Forum User 1st getting one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***

Of course they fly to us and under the border radars. How do you think they can afford to 'pay' all shipping and Customs Duties?

Just strap the miners to their backs and feed them a bale of hay before sending them on their way :P

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To be fully  clear anyone that buys this without me showing a demo unit that works is a Moron
They have yet to offer a unit to me for the demo.



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If they are legit  they can pm me and send me a miner  Just like panda miner sent to me ..  up front I tested it I reviewed it.  I then paid them.

So Here I am send me one.

The difference here is  they claim to have  a god like /a genie/ a true wonder of a miner.

75th at 1500 watts vs 13th at 1500 watts.

No one would sell it they would mine  and get rich.

but they can pm me and I will test drive it for them.

3- newbie. Let me know what I can do to satisfy you that I'm not a shill or work for the company.  It's hard to prove a negative but you can try to think of something and I'll comply if possible.  I run a forum myself.  Post count on forums is for retarts that live in their parents basements.  

I've been learning and experimenting with Bitcoin and altcoins since 2012.  I have a friend that was in 2 years earlier that helped me come up to speed on the technology, and I'm getting much more involved lately in learning about all the coins, algorithms, 'reward methods', transaction fees, exchange trading, ICO's, contracts, hardware, etc.

I don't register for forums unless I'm going to spend significant time and really wish to post, or they obscure a lot of subforums from google.  I prefer google and a couple other engines for searching threads here.  Better filter options overall.

Don't wanna talk hard core electronic tech with details that I could verify, or converse productively, then I think y'all aren't qualified either, and I'll bow out of this thread.  Mine are just some mildly educated suppositions in a quest for opportunities.  I'm not saying anyone here is wrong at their guess about it being a scam.  I would just like to know why, beyond google maps and the supposed larger transistor size of the chip or whatever.  You know, exact stated facts and why they are wrong.  Y'all are essentially profiling this product due to the large scam prevalence in cryptocurrency dealings.

ETA: Thanks for posting philipma1957.  That's the kind of test I could accept.  Close to scientific method as possible from a person with much documented experience building and running the numbers.

No this is an assumption you're making that is completely wrong. Some of us are experts in this area and can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt their claims are impossible.

Hey guys, we just got a C&D letter from their supposed lawfirm. The only issue is I am seeing some discrepancies in the C&D information. They gave us 2 days to remove our scam warning which is quite convenient given the fact that the attorney they said drafted the letter from won't be in the office until Monday, so I can't verify that until then. Other discrepancies is the phone number he used is foxminers' support phone number not the lawyers phone number. Here is the copy pasted C&D letter:

Dear TheMerkle,

This law firm represents [FoxMiners LLC.]. If you are represented by legal counsel, please direct this letter to your attorney immediately and have your attorney notify us of such representation.

You are hereby directed to

CEASE AND DESIST ALL DEFAMATION OF
[FoxMiners LLC.]’S COMPANY REPUTATION.

Under United States law, it is unlawful to engage in defamation of another’s company reputation. Defamation consists of

(1) a statement that tends to injure reputation;
(2) communicated to another; and
(3) that the speaker knew or should have known was false.

Your defamatory statements involved https://themerkle.com/cryptocurrency-mining-hardware-scam-education-foxminers/.

Accordingly, we demand that you (A) immediately cease and desist your unlawful defamation of [FoxMiners LLC.] and (B) provide us with prompt written assurance within two (2) days that you will cease and desist from further defamation of [FoxMiners LLC.]’s Company reputation.

If you do not comply with this cease and desist demand within this time period, [FoxMiners LLC.] is entitled to seek monetary damages and equitable relief for your defamation. In the event you fail to meet this demand, please be advised that [FoxMiners LLC] has communicate to you that we will pursue all available legal remedies, including seeking monetary damages, injunctive relief, and an order that you pay court costs and attorney’s fees. Your liability and exposure under such legal action could be considerable.

Before taking these steps, however, we wished to give you one opportunity to discontinue your illegal conduct by complying with this demand within two  (2) days.
I recommend that you consult with an attorney regarding this matter. If you or your attorney have any questions, please contact me directly.

Sincerely,


Sack Rosendin, LLP
+1 408-877-8345

Actually their claim that it would be the world's first dual miner for SHA-256 and Scrypt and your (TheMerkle's) claim that it is outlandish are both wrong. The old Gridseed was a dualminer. Nothing new there.

Edit: Looking at their specs it does indeed look like bullshit. I wish it was real. Bitmain could really use that competition.

Well,they are located in California...15495 Los Gatos Boulevard,Los Gatos, CA 95032

Get someone to drop by & have them PROVE their miners are real!!!!  ;)

If they refuse,then it's an admission of guilt  ::)

They HAVE to have a prototype BEFORE they mass produce soooooo...........

And kudos for you bringing this scam to the public's attention!!!  8)

BTW,I googled these guys,they have press releases all over the place...but you can't leave any feedback or comments on ANY of those websites LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

The miner in the demo video looks suspiciously like an old Zeus miner chassis.
Their setup documentation mentions the device as a network appliance, however the demo shows some type of USB interface. Not to mention the video shows no signs of actual hashing or pool interaction. Just an instant initialization and immediately available 75th.

The supposed pool credentials are shown. I don't think its outside of the realm of reality to contact slush to see if there's any share data from this user to corroborate the claim.

Thinking about this obvious scam way too much.

I did some digging...

https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/CBS/SearchResults?SearchType=LPLLC&SearchCriteria=foxminers&SearchSubType=Keyword

shows the foxminer llc is registered under

BRENDA MAE LEE MORTON
634 WEST PARR AVE UNIT 117
LOS GATOS CA 95032

According to public records there is a brenda mae morton living in los gatos:

https://www.beenverified.com/people/brenda-mae-morton/

Anything seems off? YES! The fact that her age is 62 years old! How likely is a 62 year old woman to all of a sudden be responsible for producing cutting edge ASICS?

Good morning everyone from Spain, yesterday let me take the salary and almost bought the 4000 USD.

In case someone serves you in the end I did not do it because I decided to wait, but the strange thing is that I make the order and they sent me a BTC address to pay.

You do not get any type of backup email to pay, you only have 5 hours to make the payment.

And not only that is that at 10 minutes I called this number +1 408-877-8345 up on 2 occasions, claiming me to pay ... The man seemed to be drunk seriously I had never happened to me like that.

In the end I prefer to wait.

Sorry my english I'm using the google translator

DO NOT BUY THIS SHIT SCAM.

You are going to end up with losing money for nothing.

Seems like Cointelegraph did a much better job of structuring their language as opinion when they don't have proof.  They might still get a C&D too, who knows.

Looks to me like it isn't a McDonalds, it's a strip office\retail\restaurant building: http://imgur.com/Tucu19C

Google the business address, you'll find multiple business listings there.

This appears to be some pitchers of the interior and a couple exterior:
http://www.cityfeet.com/cont/ForLease/LN19161607/15495-Los-Gatos-Boulevard-Los-Gatos-CA-95032

I prefer the Secretary of State for business searches: https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/CBS/Detail
http://imgur.com/V7CxRDP

To my knowledge a registered agent doesn't have to work for the company, at least in my state.  Mine doesn't work for my corp.  Generally all that is required is someone who has agreed to accept legal or state document service for the company.  Easier than a notary.  Many use actual companies, accountants, law offices, title services, etc instead rather than a person. Lots of good legal jargonola but it does state that a business entity in Cali can't be it's own registered agent.  Don't know for sure if that applies to an employee of that company, I ran out of giveashit for the night.

I understand the proportion of stated tech advancement better now, thanks to someone who sent me a PM with a much more direct short explanation.  I can't accept it as actual proof that satisfies me either way, though.  I'd appreciate it if you folks didn't disparage me for wanting to investigate more.  I like to get as many verified facts as I can either way before I conclude if decisions I make are likely wise.

Thanks

I am assuming you are the person responsible for running this scam. If so, just know that nobody is getting fooled here. This company was set up using stolen identities to scam people who want to get into bitcoin mining. People like you are the reason bitcoin is at $1200 and not $12000

Don't try to dismiss the obvious. A registered agent isn't going to have random people's LLCs registered to her home address. How hard you are trying to defend this scam seals the deal for me that you are the "mastermind" behind this. May I ask where did you find the suckers to do the video for you on the front page?

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To be fully  clear anyone that buys this without me showing a demo unit that works is a Moron
They have yet to offer a unit to me for the demo.



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hey that is not right I am 60 and a man.  While I can not produce a cutting edge Asic  I could get a 40 acre solar farm for mining built.  When I was in the Navy  in computer schools  there was a girl in one class that would be 61  she was a mad genius so I think a 62 year old woman could certainly get it done.

So Brenda if you are reading this thread  send me a pm and send me a unit to demo.

same to  you have her send me a demo unit.
Sack Rosendin, LLP
+1 408-877-8345


this is not rocket science.
the seller below was not trusted everyone basically said fuck you

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1668461.0

I said this is simple I am well know dozens of people have my address and phone number.  Send me the gear upfront and I will demo it.

If I like it I will buy it.  If I don't like it I will send it back.

I wrote a long review I liked it I demoed it.  I purchased it.  I sold it to a local miner and made about 200 usd when all was said and done.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1733723.0  this is the review thread.

LOL.  Ah no.  I'm not your alleged scammer.  That research and recounting some of my learned life experience ain't hard.  Feel free to waste as much time as you want trying to prove it though.  I understand being completely objective is hard, especially in this particular 'world'.  I've always thought playing devil's advocate is an important tool in decision making.

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To be fully  clear anyone that buys this without me showing a demo unit that works is a Moron
They have yet to offer a unit to me for the demo.



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Talking Devil's advocate.

A nvidia 1080 ti rig with 6 cards  will do 4200h of zec  

power = 1400 watts  at 10 cents about 100 usd a month

  it earns about 765 usd a month so net =  665 usd a month

A rig can be built for 4k

this gear is 4k
uses 1500 watts  about 110 usd a month

should earn around 1310 usd a month or 1200 profit.



The Nvidia is real and has 3 year warranties the 1080 ti cards  were here  and I get a 9% discount

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zotac-Video-Card-ZT-P10810A-10P-GTX-1080-Ti-Founders-Edition-11GB-GDDR5X-352-bit-/132157486663?

Now none of us know about this gear  but  if I buy  t-9's  with psu's  I need 6

cost    = 8200 usd
power = 9000 watts
hash   = 75th

earns 1310  
power  648

net      552

I see something  and it :

 goes like this  20 billion usd in btc wallets   you only need a password to get the coin.

Nvidia  a 53 billion dollar company   is propping up Zec  as a way to access BTC wallets  legally and BTC owners are happy to trade away BTC.

This dynamic makes  people want to believe in The Foxminer.

Lets go one more step.  They send me a pm and agree to send me the miner.  And it really works!  What happens if this is the case?

All  miners are completely obsolete.  So how to compete against this Foxminer gear.  Simple bitmain floods the market with s-9's  We all know they could build more of them we all know they can sell well under 1000 dollars.  And if you have dirt cheap power  you can still be in the game.

So frankly I don't care if it is real or fake  I have zero public opinion if it is either.

But I can buy the nvidia  setup and get BTC cheaper then buying any real proven  asic miner in the world. FACT no BS

 So my position here is simple  I would not send anything to them upfront as I don't need the unproven gear.

They can send me a demo I will run it and show it. If I like it I will buy it. If I don't like it I will ship it back to them.

In the meantime I will be building Nvidia gpu rigs  to mine Zec to cash to BTC.

NotFuzzy had it right in the first place... IGNORE this moronic shill. 

I don't want to build or buy either.  I stick with my trading strategies.  As with conventional company stock trading (haha, there's the real scam for most now IMO) I learn as much as I can about the currencies and relationships of other things to what I trade.  That's why I'm here.  I have research on ZEC and what you stated is roughly part of it.  It's a risk AND an opportunity to me.  I mitigate my highest risk on several cryptocurrencies as well trading, I just don't buy or build rigs.  I think they're cool, and I used to build stuff a long time ago, but lost interest in actually doing it when life just got too damn busy.  

Is that the newest bestest brightest Nvidia card that has been discussed briefly in your 4-part rig mega-thread?  I'll take it on your rep that you pretty much know you can build THAT rig, despite a glitch or 5 as sometimes occurs when performing such an activity for the first of 19th time.  My guess is you are a bit concerned about nearly quadrupling (guess from memory) your usual rig investment given the usual obsolescence period of most computing devices and the fact that you aren't in real control of the currency exchange rates.  I recall you mitigate that risk in a couple ways, but 4K isn't pocket change to me either.

Your rough analysis of the Nvidia gpu rig (that you build) vs this Foxminer which is currently vapor seems to mean  it COULD be done, and if the thing isn't a scam you'd roughly double monthly profit using it.  My question to you is this:  Is the sole technical objection here about different transistor sizes, leads, etc between the specs for these chips in the two rigs, in relation to speed of light, moore's law, signal bleed at an ultramicroscopic scale, roughly?

I'm outta time, didn't ignore the s-9 bit.  Maybe more later.

delicopsch56 - what the hell are you talking about? 2+2 = SCAM.

and philipma1957 - why are you trying so hard to defend this dirty scammer? Did your old brain buy into this scam?

The moron is using a lawyers credentials thats FRAUD
The moron registered an LLC under a stolen identity FRAUD
The moron took a ZEUS Miner and slapped a sticker on it. FRAUD


Go and visit the Los Gatos headquarters. Otherwise if you keep on mentioning how it might be legit go and buy their 20k machine.

This forum seems full of idiots who can't even do basic google research.

Obvious scam is obvious, take a look at their checkout page address generation code (http://archive.is/H1KQJ) for proof.


They don't even bother to generate unique payment addresses for orders like any legitimate business would do, they just randomly select an address to show the user from a preloaded list in javascript. They wouldn't even be able to see who paid for an order since it's all done client side in javascript.

I don't care if it is real or fake.
I am not sending any coin to them.
If you read what I said I said please  pm me and send me a demo unit.

They have not sent me a pm.

So draw your own conclusions.  Based on my track record  they have zero reason to think I will run off with the machine.

If it is real they have 4000 reasons X their stock to send me a demo.

So far no offer to send a demo.

Last company in this spot sent me a demo that was pandaminer  they now sell out instantly.

So once again if this is real gear they would contact me and arrange for the demo unit to show it is real gear .

They did not  make the arrangement {b] so draw a conclusion from that.[/b]

BTW this has occurred about 20 times  with gear.  2 people send me working gear  18 did not.

the 2 sending me gear had real gear
One was  the panda miner
one  was a guy selling red fury usb sticks in 2013.

 all the other did not sell any gear.
They ripped people off.


So this offer I make has been pretty good at sniffing out real gear.

So far no pm or contact from them.

I don't care about anything but them sending me the demo unit for zero cost for the demo. I will pay them once it arrives and works okay. Or I will send it back to them if I don't like it.  If I send it back I will pay to ship it back and I will pay what they spent to ship it to me. So they will not lose out if I return it.

Once again no offer for the demo.

I am taking all science away as to if it works or if it does not work.

I am asking for the demo machine. to test it for all to see.



To be fully  clear anyone that buys this with out me showing a demo unit that works is a Moron


A suggestion to everyone see the line above  add it to the top of your posts every post I did now has that line.

If you want to you could put it this way

To be fully  clear anyone that buys this with out ( insert  a trusted name me , -ck, OgNasty , NotFuzzyWarm)   showing a demo unit that works is a Moron

You do not need to call it fake  just be honest and ask for a demo unit to be sent on every post. Put in a top notch name to demo it. I no longer say someone is fake I just ask for a unit to demo.

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Frankly, the clincher of this being a fraud should be that their spec sheet is a near exact copy of SFARAD's https://github.com/sfards/ASIC-SF3301/blob/master/SF3301_Datasheet_v0.51.pdf Logic structure, commands and even the ball map of the chip is identical.

The only differences is the cover art, the chip name, and what they claim specs are. Oh, and the COPYRIGHT notice. They erased SFARAD's and put in one for them. Now THAT takes some balls especially since they have tried a C&D on TheMerkel.

Now, MAYBE these folks bought the rights to the SFARAD's chip and marketing info. Fine. That they would have found a miracle cure for why the chip failed - eg found a way to massively increase speed while dropping its power usage and then have the financial resources to have the modified chip manufactured much less those specs being even possible at the 28nm node is what I refuse to accept without hard proof.

Original specs for the SF3301:
BTC mode up to 80GH/s with 0.31W/GH
LTC mode up to 1.89MH/s with 2.0W/MH

If they present a product claiming to be so far ahead of current tech they damn well either need to prove it or have asbestos underwear to take the heat. Provide a demo unit to a trusted person here for them to review.

Thank  you for the post.

Yeah, I definitely agree with you that the spec sheets are shockingly similar.  I did a comparison of the sheets on this site, lots easier than eye scan..
https://draftable.com/compare/hYFmXGvTJdxh .  Looks like their website said open source chip design, but if the 2015 thing didn't work or as advertised in the first place, there's a pretty strong sign, agreed.  I also noticed they pulled the power supply reference to another doc completely.  Somebody referenced a three year old document and I didn't understand what that meant, because I'd never seen the thing before today.

I've been somewhat involved in another emerging industry since 2008.  It isn't this complex but I did eventually learn it well enough I could smell a fraud or likely flop without full analysis.  The products were initially shitty and expensive, but the vendors\manufacturers did learn after a few years that they needed to do about the same thing, either sell betas at a very reduced rate, or send some out for free to trusted reviewers to build trust in their products.  But, I didn't really have a financial dog in the fight other than an informed consumer. 

So, I suppose I can understand why you guys are being so ... whatever offends you least to this new guy as I have seen my share of presale scams and vanishing funds from startups in other industries too.  I cannot speak this tech language precisely yet, so I've tried to write in higher level terms.  I'll learn it, with or without your help, but I'm just trying to learn more detail.  And I'll contribute on easier pieces that I know for sure while I'm here, as I already have.  I simply wasn't expecting this reception when I'm not the OP.  I saw some of the same stuff about this supposed new product on Google on the 21st I think, and came to check it out here.  The thread was here, I posted.  Sorry, in hindsight I'd likely have asked questions about a known working ASIC.

Perhaps at this level of complexity with the myriad of coins and algorithms and asics and coin features, phillipma has the most common sense solution.  Businesslike requests for demo units, loan, delayed payment, escrows, whatever to trusted guys that can tell for sure if it works from a real live run otherwise maybe just pitch the thread in an unconfirmed likely scam product thread. 

I frequent another forum that has immense power to recover actual unpaid monies through their long affiliation with the industry.  On the order of 350K a year for 15 years, and I believe them because I recovered money myself using their arbitration process.  Different situation, but big forums have power.  I saw that there is something of a scam process here, so the exact thing probably wouldn't work, these were companies that stayed in business, but I think this place could have the power to turn the tables on this kind of stuff and play offense rather than defense.

There are a lot of bad people  in the crypto game.

There are good people in the crypto game.

this is me

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=64507
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=64507

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=philipma1957


they are good credentials I have been on other forums

macrumors
anandtech


I make an effort to promote gear if it is good. 

Damn, looks like people are paying them

https://blockchain.info/address/1Ko6n7hC9aiHqbTDnSemfzAkrLUfh7i84N

Edit: and more

https://blockchain.info/address/19hgd15L8ZKWGtngEAXmiu5hVSr4wwSD1R
https://blockchain.info/address/178PUWErgp8VoSksLjxpLjC3Na3hXxTSvN

Look at this video from Fox miners: https://vimeo.com/210288662 (https://vimeo.com/210288662)

The company Foxminers LLC was registered on the 6th April this year, you would think that they would have been registered for years in order to offset the huge losses incurred  in the development of this wonder product. If this tech was possible you would just create a farm yourself, it would be insanely profitable.

201710410399    FOXMINERS LLC
Registration Date:04/06/2017
Jurisdiction:CALIFORNIA
Entity Type:DOMESTIC
Status:ACTIVE
Agent for Service of Process:BRENDA MAE LEE MORTON
634 WEST PARR AVE UNIT 117
LOS GATOS CA 95032
Entity Address:634 WEST PARR AVE UNIT 117
LOS GATOS CA 95032
Entity Mailing Address:634 WEST PARR AVE UNIT 117
LOS GATOS CA 95032
LLC ManagementMember Managed

Is it her https://www.facebook.com/brenda.m.morton (https://www.facebook.com/brenda.m.morton) ?

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So glad you saw the light :)
Ja, there is little tolerance here for folks who may even unwittingly defend or help scams. Just be glad the *real* scam buster folks here did not pick up on this! They tend to foam at the mouth a lot, go offensively nuclear and really rip into folks. At least we were fairly civil about it. Blunt, sarcastic, and definitely giving no ground, but civil.

I sent a complaint to Secretary of State in California.  since they claim to be located in California, the Department of State has jurisdiction to comply with Business laws of California.

So the C&D letter was supposedly from Sack Rosendin and his firm. I just called Sack Rosendin and he said he has no idea what I am talking about as his firm never had a client by the name of Foxminers LLC.

I am going to visit their los gatos headquarters today to dig up further as it is only 20 mins away from me.

I had pretty much the same experience, they have called me 3 times in the next 3 hours that ive filled the form, i had to blacklist their number.  But i never answered the calls.

Just did a check up and the phone number was matching their, so i knew it was them, but being called 3 times within 3 hours is also a red flag to me.

You have the best product in the world and you need to call like this, hmmm i don't think so...

Good job themerkle, but I don't think it's worth checking the place ... probably just some admin building where you can rent an office .. but it will be empty.

More interesting would be to turn their own weapons against them. As obviously they could have damaged reputation of the Sack Rosendin by claiming he's representing them.  Isn't that also unlawful ( i mean to falsely claim someone is representing them )?

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Since this is based on a rip-off of the SF100 and the SFARADS thread is still active may I present https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=985400.msg10735871#msg10735871 Dated Feb. 11, 2015

Would be funny to see how Foxminers explains that....
At least some SF100's were actually built and seems at least 2-3 are still around.

As for I would think that as part of due-diligence that the law firm would follow up on this by issuing a real C&D  -- against Foxminers LLC ;)

Edited for better SEO

I just can't believe that these scams keep happening over and over again, and there feels to be hard time for some people believing that this is a scam.

I'm just so tired with newbie, no background checking -people losing money and shitty scammers getting away with the scam all over again and again and again...

Thanks for the reply.  I'm over it.  I was incapable of researching the background fully here so I should have just watched.  I used to spend a lot of time at a forum where the side game was getting noobs to rage quit.  Hilarious place, but proper ladies didn't much care for it to say the least.

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If it helps any, I just Googled "Foxminers LLC" and this thread comes up as #2 on the hit list. Hopefully that will cut into how many folks get taken by these folks.  :)

edit: I just sent our favorite rabid scamhound Gleb Gamow a pm about these folks. Would be great to see what he digs up on them and their PR blitz. They have several new PR release in the past 24hrs...
Oh, and delicopsch56 I did let Gleb know you that you caught on so no friendly fire happens if this catches his fancy. Love that comparison tool ;)

Foxminers is a scam! I will remove this post once my standard 35 BTC is paid in full. Sorry, no escrow. Foxminers, please PM me if you desire my bitcoin wallet address so to timely remit the requested 35 BTC, else prepare to endure The Gleb.  :o :o :o

^^^ Big time happy dance ^^^
Sick'em dude! They really need your -- special attention -- before they get too far. :D
Google them, folks: been busy the last 12hrs or so with new PR releases... If anything keep links to this thread busy by clicking it from time to time...

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Oh good grief -- they are pitching even bigger systems per this page on the Wayback dated yesterday the 23rd https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170423212932/https://foxminers.com/products/

Bitcoin(375 TH/s) & Litecoin(10.5 GH/s)
$22500.00 $19000.00

Wonder who's miners are in that no doubt stolen picture they used?
For reference, using a nice round 13THs each it takes 28.8 s9's to = 375THs.


Edit: ROFL :D gotta love their FAQ #4 aslo on Wayback https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170423212944/https://foxminers.com/faq/  Actually, looks like the whole site might be archived. Nice for future reference eh?
   04. Do you accept PayPal or Credit Cards?

   Unfortunatly we don’t accept PayPal or Credit Cards, due to frequently occurring fraud practices.

Um, ya. Theirs. Bet they got a few giggle writing that one... Emphasis is mine of course.
Made sure entire site is archived at Wayback for posterity :-*

Foxminers EXPOSED

https://themerkle.com/how-to-expose-a-bitcoin-mining-scam/

quote author=themerkle link=topic=1879542.msg18731643#msg18731643 date=1493088297]
Foxminers EXPOSED

https://themerkle.com/how-to-expose-a-bitcoin-mining-scam/
[/quote]

https://vimeo.com/212613185  these jokers

Did you go to the address behind McDonalds as well? That's the one they list in their footer.

That's my question too.  Not sure I'd go to that address alone myself though. 

Aliases: https://www.myrelatives.com/d/brenda-myers/G2506317619081935034

As for Jonathan F. ...

Look at what somebody just sent me:


In California it's a common practice for the locals to express $30,000 as 30.000 USD.  ::) My guess is that Jonathan partook too much of his medical marijuana when he penned the reply, hence littered with grammatical errors.

Okay, the piece of shit WILL be uncovered now. Jonathan uses Kraken. Somebody owes me a blowjob.  :-*

Nope I didn't. I went to the address that is registered to the LLC. The address in their footer is most likely a dummy address of some empty offices.

EDIT: Also, Gleb you know that Johnathan F. is a made up name. The guy already pretended to be a lawyer and a marketer. Ya think hes gonna sign with his real name?

1. Pre-orders are 99% scams until proven otherwise.

2. PO Box is a dead giveaway. When crap hits the fan, your lawyers will send their letters of demand to a PO Box?

Wait, what! Jonathan F. is not his real name? So when I Google "Jonathan F." and found a dude by the same name using Kraken, that's probably not the case?  ::)

Seriously, I knew that wasn't his real name from the get-go. It was by conducting blockchain forensic as to how I discovered that Kraken was used to process payments already made to Foxminers by Investards.  :-*

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Hush!
Don't start giving these scammers ideas like that... :P

They've already advanced from wooden crates to stone wheels: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1881795.0

UFOMINERS was a scam from day one.

There's definitely THC involved.

nslookup foxminers.com
Non-authoritative answer:
Name:   foxminers.com
Address: 144.217.250.220


nslookup 144.217.250.220

Non-authoritative answer:
220.250.217.144.in-addr.arpa   name = s13-250-220.thcservers.com.

Part 1 of a scam is collecting the money

Part 2 is designing the system and covering your tracks to make sure no legal authorities can find you afterwards

Guess we'll see how good they are at part 2 over the next few years

People are just too greedy for a quick buck and will pay off scammers. If it didn't work at least some of the time they wouldn't do it

So Bitcoinist.com decided to do an interview with that fraudster. According to some inside info this is what he said about me:

"Bitcoinist: What is your reaction to articles such as this one from The Merkle which claims "nothing about Foxminers is adding up" and that the company is "offering miners that are seemingly too goo to be true"?

EB: We have reasons to believe that TheMerkle take funds from one of our competitors to use defamation words against us, also we have some information that they paid reviews and forum users to do the same and we will drop them on public soon.

They claim to visit our headquarter in Los Gatos which is a lie, nobody visit us from TheMerkle, but they prefer to visit Brenda home address and verbally abuse her, she said that they act like mobs forcing and hitting the door, screaming "scammers", Brenda ask them who are they and they said "you think a C&D latter will stop us from take off your mask, you don't know who you deal with”.

She desperately call us and claim help, she thought someone trying to hurt her and she was crying on the call, we told her to call police and to stay inside and keep the door closed we are on the way.

Of course she call police but before they arrive to her address this abusers were left, Brenda said she don't know exactly how many they were, as she was terrified by their actions, but she heard 3 different voices 2 male and 1 female.

If they were so professional as they claim, they should take a camera and film the "interview" with Brenda which they claim they had, if not camera then record with cellphone or anything similar, but no, it's easier to claim things with presumption that people will believe what they said on article anyway.

They also used this technique against cointelegraph and cryptocoinnews accusing them of "scam their own readers", basically if they got paid why not to destroy their own competitors too!
I try to understand why they had that behavior, we drop it on marketing and  bad-advertising which is so often on business world, but they take it to a different level.
Shall i remind you of Panda Miners?
They had the same attitude against them, and finally after a while they prove to be legit"




I already filed a police report regarding this and also filed an ic3 report. Remember that this guy has already pretended to be a lawyer, and also a content marketer. If Bitcoinist publishes that interview then they are deliberately trying to defame myself and themerkle, I will have to get lawyers involved.

Reads to me like Jonathan F. can wait to get his hands on U$30K worth of BTC.


https://foxminers.com/


In California it's common practice to declare that you accept bank transfers on your website but not for real.

http://imgur.com/a/koBps

Report submitted along with the full email header where he pretended to be a lawyer. That in and of itself irrefutable evidence of IMPERSONATION FRAUD, a Felony in California.

I urge you to submit a report as well as that will get their site taken down faster.

 Chic gonna cry wolf now? Its her fucking name on it. Show someone a product, or stfu.

Scrapp' out

https://twitter.com/themerklenews/status/857481086867132416

Wait a second. If you call this number: 408-877-8345 (which is their support number supposedly)

Listen to the voicemail it says UFOminers.com!!! He didn't even change the voicemail to foxminers but left it at ufominers. We are dealing with a serial scammer here guys.

Quick aside, themerkle. Would you be interested in penning an article on your mag detailing BitPay operating as an exchange in spite of only having a license to operate as a third-party payment provider?

---

http://bitcoinist.com/foxminers-launches-revolutionary-mining-chip/


Using the same phone number is Roni Meron seen here as the model in red: https://youtu.be/TmYhFEucWWY?t=80

https://rehold.com/Las+Vegas+NV/MCBRIDE+DR


https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:CVOuZzHeVfAJ:https://trustednerd.com/2017/04/19/foxminers-launches-revolutionary-mining-chip/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us (sorry for the cache but the site was taken down for reasons you'll soon see why)



UfoMiners Address: 6390 W Cheyenne Ave, Las Vegas, NV 89108

I've spoken with Bitcoinist and me thinking they were going to tarnish my reputation like that was a misunderstanding. I should have known they wouldn't post libel about us. I also shouldn't have posted this interview on this forum as I had no permission to do so. It is too late now but I just wanted to get it out there that Bitcoinist did nothing wrong.

https://www.facebook.com/bitcoin.mining.79/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE&fref=nf

 Except back a bunch a bullshit.

 Am I held liable now?

 Scrapp out'

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Love the last 2 lines in the "interview":

And how did Panda, not to mention eBang and Hotmine resolve peoples suspicions? They accepted known reputable peoples offers to do a review of the equipment plus started their campaigns by demonstrating the gear at tradeshows. Ya know? Real hands-on proof.

As a business plan, blitzing the media without a single shred of physical evidence of their Miraculous Mining gear ever existing (much less being possible with foreseeable tech looking out a few years) is just plain stupid -- or of course the blatant proof of a scam in-progress.

Here on this front is a "national sport!" To mark everything that is new for fraud.
Many things that were labeled as frauds were true ... eg, Baikal miners and the like.
Do not let all vendors hang in one sack1
I know I can find a cheat, but why do everybody accuse me of being a scammer ???

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For a start, aside from the very obvious plagiarism of SFARADS SF3301 data sheet dated Feb 11 2015 there is the issue of no one EVER seeing that equipment in real life. Not seen at trade shows, no reputable people giving reviews, no evidence from pools showing SUSTAINED hash rate at real-world difficulties, etc.

Just as with Baikal, eBang, Hotmine and Panda, folks here will be more than happy to retract SCAM statements and in fact endorse the product WHEN THEY PROVE THEIR CLAIMS.

edit: @ jimbo, then why did you say "but why do everybody accuse me of being a scammer"?
edit edit: removed associations between jimbo and Foxminers. Translation error

I'm not a foxminer, nor will I be!!!!
I have expressed my mind no more.
Your wise speech is "valued"

edit: @NotFuzzyWarm I do not know English well, and I can write badly enough ;)

_VVV Reads to me like those fuckers are high as well. The address provided doesn't exist just like everything UfoMiners and FoxMiners put forth on official docs.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=684329.0


http://www.spoke.com/companies/cheap-web-hosting-558c35c0309360a97f000414


There is no 3865 Mulberry Lane in Miami, FL.

Fuck the subject matter! Call FoxMiners number and listen to the voicemail, introducing themselves as UfoMiners.

That, and why would FoxMiners have UfoMiners pics on its servers?

https://web.archive.org/web/20170427174335/https://foxminers.com/wp-content/themes/foxminers/img/gallery/

http://www.ufominers.com/oberon-miner-prime
http://www.ufominers.com/images/image3.jpg
https://foxminers.com/wp-content/themes/foxminers/img/gallery/product1.jpg


http://www.ufominers.com/nekros-miner
http://www.ufominers.com/images/image1.jpg
https://foxminers.com/wp-content/themes/foxminers/img/gallery/product2.jpg


http://www.ufominers.com/ethereum-rhinominer-prime
http://www.ufominers.com/images/ethereum.jpg
https://foxminers.com/wp-content/themes/foxminers/img/gallery/product3.jpg


http://www.ufominers.com/zcash-equinox-prime
http://www.ufominers.com/images/zcash.jpg
https://foxminers.com/wp-content/themes/foxminers/img/gallery/product4.jpg


Meanwhile, meet David Done ...

http://www.1888pressrelease.com/foxminers-launches-revolutionary-mining-chip-pr-612037.html


... and David Fero

http://www.abc-7.com/story/35202627/foxminers-launches-revolutionary-mining-chip


... and Alan Fleisher

http://www.todayontheinternet.com/2017/04/24/foxminers-offers-one-step-ahead-for-cryptocurrency-miners/

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Thought that might be the case. I removed reference to being part of Foxminers

Small but important language lesson:
"I" or "me" = the person talking. That is why easy to assume you were part of Foxminers.

You wanted to use the word "they" which = different person/company

Also, do not immediately defend a product without reading WHY it is called a scam. Discussion of that is over and does not need to be repeated. The first 4 pages provide absolute proof. Read them, then post an opinion.

This thread is now in Busting mode against them.

Hey, Fuzzy, I just noticed that you still have Zipkin's link in your sig where he was goin' to burn down my house and kill everybody in it. HAHAHA & Chuckles

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Don't be waking up users: bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=143804

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/seclog.php

http://steamcommunity.com/id/MustAntiyou

Look who recently changed their Twitter name: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:7cKlUNLi28QJ:twitter.com/178169296/status/846860995087753216+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Searching for rmb0719: http://openruby.com/bitcoin/pages/49979884-bitcoin-startup-21-unveils-product-plan-mining-chips-for

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Bitcoinist has joined the ranks of folks in screamin' SCAM! http://bitcoinist.com/foxminers-interview-dual-scam/

Per the article:
"An old lady called Brenda sent us an email and explain to us how she is able to create ASIC which can mine 2 algorithms at choice"

So now the person(s) behind this are now trying to shift blame to her, the only visible person so far....

Oh that is just hilarious :D
And the phone battery life will be just how many minutes? Even plugged into a good charger say, 2.1A, that gives 10.5w of power. Barely enough to run a single 2Pac stick from Sidehack @15GHs. Of course the phone itself will want some of that power as well.

Crap. There goes Physics getting in the way again... :P

You missed the THC Lab Cafe. https://files.shroomery.org/smileys/bongload.gif

No, just usually don't care about ads. Love that GIF site tho bookmarked and gif saved.
Damn -- back feeling twitchy again so time hit a roach https://files.shroomery.org/smileys/bongload.gif Nice having my MM Green card :)

To close out the night and make it easier for new eyes to get the gist of this thread right from the top of it, I tweaked my post #2. It now has some of the most irrefutable points immediately there and easy to catch.

Well,there is this address.................

https://www.google.com/maps/place/3865+Mulberry+St,+Lake+Worth,+FL+33461/@26.6072595,-80.1049603,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x88d927892472ca33:0xaa609825ed3e069e!8m2!3d26.6072595!4d-80.1027716?hl=en

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_to_Think_That_I_Saw_It_on_Mulberry_Street

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Hmm. Th article in Bitcoinist about the Foxminers scam has gone a-missing... http://bitcoinist.com/foxminers-interview-dual-scam/

Did anyone grab a Wayback of the page?

edit: damn it. Just looked and not archived. Crap.
Grabbing ones of TheMerkle articles before they possibly disappear as well.
Got them.
Both  http://web.archive.org/web/20170428231520/https://themerkle.com?s=Foxminers

Full 1st article  http://web.archive.org/web/20170428231713/https://themerkle.com/cryptocurrency-mining-hardware-scam-education-foxminers/

Full 2nd article  http://web.archive.org/web/20170428231238/https://themerkle.com/how-to-expose-a-bitcoin-mining-scam/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6865qu/cryptocoinsnews_and_cointelegraph_actively/

Yea and Bitcoinist removed their article....

...
Yous are Waybacked for Posterity ;)
Looks like the Wayback has a record of them back to 2014. Hmm...
http://web.archive.org/web/20140417134402/http://foxminer.com:80/product-category/sha-256-bitcoin-mining-hardware/

I am sure the Foxminer guy is lurking here as well. Also here is an update:

I wen't to brendas address again today, knocked on her door and she refused to answer. That is okay as next time I will show up with 2 police officers and I am getting real tired of this crap.

Maybe before I thought she was innocent, but at this point I am 110% certain that she received compensation from this scam. She also went and told the scammer that I stopped at her door the first time because not 10 minutes after I left i received a threatening email from him.

This guy thinks he can get away with shit like that, well good luck with it when the feds start investigating. I filed a report with Brenda's name and address on it, if she doesn't want to deal with me she can deal with the cops.

Wayback'd your reddit post along with the pages from CCN and CoinTelegraph you linked to.
http://web.archive.org/web/20170428232919/https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6865qu/cryptocoinsnews_and_cointelegraph_actively/
Ain't pretty to see but is there about 1/2-way down the page.

The google archive cache is kinda hid for quite a while now but the bitcoinist article might still be there.  I think some other sites might lifted it verbatim too.  Props to themerkle for action.  While site takedowns could be somewhat effective if they could be had consistently, real law enforcement action might be a helpful deterrent.

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Was poking around the Wayback'd pages from 2014.
The specs for their 2.1THs rig dated April 2014 look - right. Totally on-par with what 28nm chips and rigs did back then:

ASICs: 28nm Golden Nonce
Guaranteed Performance: 1900 GH/s
Power consumption: 1 Watt/GH
Chassis: 480(W) x 170(H) x 450(D) mm
Cooling System: 3 x High-Performance Liquid Cooling Units
PSU: 2 x High Performance 750W Power Supply

A) Wonder if any were actually made and if so, delivered?
B) If 'yes' to 'A' then, are these the same folks gone bad or has the Foxminers name also been hijacked by these scammers?

Then again, the Golden Nonce was a chip from <cough> Hashfast.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/List_of_Bitcoin_mining_ASICs and we know how they turned out.... Birds of a feather and all that rot...

Here's the Google cached version, notfuzzywarm.  http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BineOLq6v1AJ:bitcoinist.com/foxminers-interview-dual-scam/

I don't know how to wayback stuff and gotta run, so I'll let you do the deed.

Narf...
Google blocks the Wayback crawler from them. In a way makes sense so someone does not make their own search site based on pilfered Google content...

Hmmm.  It's the little teeny green arrow by the end of the url in index search results now, btw.  So if you 404 you can always go back and try that.  

Here's the cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BineOLq6v1AJ:bitcoinist.com/foxminers-interview-dual-scam/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Save it now, bud.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1734098.720

Oh Brenda, that sweet old granny, went to visit her the other day, gave me cookies she baked using the heat of the  FM9800-XD1112, so good, gave me bitcoins too :)

Brenda Mae's Famous F.® FM9800-XD1112 Chip Cookies^TM - Haz just a DASH of [mined] Morton Salt.

Wow this is turning serious ... they obviously tried to threaten wrong guy. Good job themerkle, give those scammers what they deserve.

Is easy go to http://web.archive.org and take a look at their front page, Don't *have* to register or Donate but is of course nice to do to support them. Only restriction seems to be if a site blocks crawlers -- like Google's cached pages. Cointelegraph also refused allowing to be Waybacked.

There are a couple URL entry boxes to use, one is tagged to specifically add pages and is best place to start if the site/pages have not already been added by someone else.

1st, sorry to say but safe bet your BTC is gone forever...
2nd, how did you search? I just entered "UFOminers scam" and Goolge returned over 10 pages of links. 1st page of links are for Dec 2016 ....

The complaint form is for the Federal database of complaints against a company. Is the 1st step required if you try to sue them and/or have them prosecuted. If you do -- good luck. Be aware that YOU will have lawyer fees to pay. IF the people can be found/tried/convicted there remains the big IF and WILL they pay restitution.

LEO and FBI seem best case scenario at this point to me, especially since themerkle is local enough and is pretty torqued.  If you are in the US there are victim compensation funds for some crimes in at least some states if convicted criminally, but I don't know what crimes apply (maybe just violent) or the compensation that could be had.  FBI may not take it seriously enough due to low volume, they have scarce resources like everyone, and I imagine they are still quite busy with Nigerian Prince scams that have been debunked for an eon.

Worst case, as NotFuzzyWarm says very expensive lesson, possible tax deduction in the US.

Dammit, NEVER order presale anything without real serious terms and proof, people.  That right there is the best thing each individual consumer can do.

One thing you can do to hurt them: go to every 'news' site that has their PR release and leave a comment telling everyone your story. Start with the word SCAM.

For sites like TheMerkel that DO expose these scams, leave a comment confirming the company is a scam and again your story as to why.

Speaking of the 'news' sites that blindly publish these paid-for Public Relations stories...
WTF is wrong with you folks? You think of yourselves as legitimate news sites and yet blithely publish PR for what typically either screams SCAM or at a minimum is highly suspect to any person knowledgeable in crypto-coin hardware.?

You all have seen these scams many many times before so WHY to you publish these without doing a single bit of REAL journalism? You know -- checking into a company and their supposed Wonder of the Year miners to see if they are even real? Seems all these sites care about is if the scammers check cleared so they got paid  >:(

Tried that,the sites they picked to post on do not allow comments in any way......................................

Too bad you've only been involved in crypto since 2014 according to your Twitter account -https://twitter.com/VasilSopot/ - else you would've been able to recognize a scam from the get-go. Live and learn, I guess.

https://trustednerd.com/2017/04/30/foxminers-has-crossed-the-20-million-mark-in-pre-order-for-its-f24-and-f48-miners/

Jonathan Yaniv is a name I keep seeing around here. Anybody can get more info on him? I think other PRs published by Foxminers were under his name. Might be an alias for Johnathan F, which is supposedly their sales guy.

Press release form of same:

https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2017/05/01/975056/0/en/FoxMiners-has-Crossed-the-20-Million-Mark-in-Pre-Order-for-its-F24-and-F48-Miners.html

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Could be a bunch of tech article material to evaluate there on that site, regarding thoughts on 'trusted'.  I don't have the time to look for possible correlations, sorry. 

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Any more news on this scam? I am curious if police have been sent to her address yet.

Given that no police were sent to BFL's facility during the height of their money grab, I kinda doubt that they're gonna to take the time to knock on the door of a 62-year-old woman who has her name on some charter of a business that's 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% a scam.

On the other hand, if she was a homeowner with the last name Wagner who sold some bitcoins as a hobby, there'll be a SWAT team at home within hours making her young children lie on the floor and be quiet else their brains would be blown out.

Tell the police she's sellin Bitcoins to kids!!!!!!  ;)

Tell the IRS she's not paying taxes on her BTC!!!

Does anyone live near you and can visit this company?
I was offered to stop by and watch the miner F48.
Some near 15495 Los Gatos Boulevard, Los Gatos, CA 95032

they stopped by it was a residence not a company.

They lady that answered the door didn't realize a scam was running.

Thank you
Has anyone been to the police and makes an ad or does anyone know the address of the relevant police service?

I am in NY and I wrote a complaint the the California Attorney General.

Tell the police that kids are masturbating on her petunias while eating Morning Glory seeds.

The Los Gatos Blvd address is supposedly their office address.  I live 15 minutes away from that address, but wouldn't really know what to look for once I was in.  They could show me something that is all smoke and mirrors and I wouldn't know any better.  Maybe ask them to mine for you for 12 hours and then you can look at your pool page to see the result, that might be a way to show their system is working.

Not really.
You can either point several real miners at a pool using the same address or username and the pool reports it as 1 big miner or if using Avalons just point the one RasPi node at the pool and again attach as many 741's as needed to equal the supposed hash rate. Either way, the pool reports one user/address or supposed single rig as doing the work with no hint of the actual hardware pointed at that address.

The only reasonable non-hands-on proof is to see the CGminer display showing REAL SUSTAINED WORK. Not a 2-sec blip showing 70THs at zero diff. That is the systems sniffing each other to see how to work together. Display the CGminer header after several hours/days of running so we can see all the sustained stats. Sustained 70THs will be having a local work diff of around 50k or more forced on it by the pools. Sustain 70THs at that diff and then you may have something.

That would at least be a start. Can still be faked but judging from the computer/web skills so far displayed by scammers, well.... ::)

If a company wants to prove itself:
Display at some of the many Bitcoin tradeshows. Let it be seen, even in prototype format like Hotmine.io did. They demo'd running and near-finalized packaged miners. You know, real functioning hardware?  Hotmine built those 1st miners on their dime and publicly proved they are real.

They did not go straight to taking pre-orders for unseen/unproven tech much less use those same several years old recycled & stolen pictures of supposed Miracle Miners that are seen in every miner hardware scam over and over again.

After that - put demo units into the hands of known trusted reviewers for a month. Let them run/review it and then either return it or buy it from you.

That is how the likes of PandaMiner, Hotmine.io and Ebang went from highly suspected of scam to being at least reasonably trusted sources of hardware. They still need to build up a longer track record but all 3 are off to a very good start to being Reputable with a capital 'R'.

Pretty much exactly agree with notfuzzywarms real-life test thinking.

As a real suggestion to you folks physically close to where the LLC is registered, I believe there is more info on that company available via a real visit to the courthouse, sec of state, I forget now or whatever their required agency registration entity there in Cali is than there is online.  Could just be fake additional info, but maybe not.   I've never owned an LLC, but I recall for corp registration in my state there was at least notary requirements and significant reporting duties.  Yeah, that info could be a part of the con too, with further fake identities, but it might not be.  I feel like I have a dog in this fight, but I gots 99 now and I can't prioritize significant time on action this much myself.

Tax thoughts may have some value too.  Pretty easy to rat to the IRS on others I think. I don't like that idea for wimpy stuff or vengeance, but that certainly was Capone's demise.  If this guy actually is just collecting lots of bitcoin or other somecurrency of very significant amounts without reporting a couple different ways that doesn't fit my wimp criteria if he actually delves delivers junk or nada.

I have now scanned the header of my received emails from Foxminer at Http://www.iptrackeronline.com/email-header-analysis.php and received the following
http://up.picr.de/29105820fk.jpg
It looks like the scammer is sitting in Europe.
Does anyone else have any suggestions on how to get more information about this scam?

Never....they should have given proof.....no proof,no miner,simple.I'd rather be wrong than to promote a scam :P

Oh I'm not pissed,you'll KNOW when I'm pissed off  :D

https://i.imgur.com/h0DREqx.jpg

           :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Hate to pop your shiny glowing bubble vision of What Will Soon Be...  No, we won't and I for one will be damned before I support mention that something along those lines is possible today or even within 2 years. All it does is lend credence to scammer claims. They rely on that bright wide-eyed wonder to pitch their frauds.

Even back in 2013 when 65nm miners were finally moving out the door and 28nm tech miners were being hawked/pre-sold, the current 14/16nm tech had been in development for around 5 years and they had only recently succeeded in making viable test circuits of any sort. It took another 3 years before TSMC, Samsung, and GloFo finally started commercial production of 16/14nm chips.

The next generation of chips targeting the 10nm and 7nm nodes are in the same boat. Just because Bitmain et al say they have a road map to those nodes does not mean they will be soon seen. The very simple reason is that those nodes cannot yet be produced by even Intel or IBM much less TSMC and the others.

Earlier this year both Intel and IBM announced making test circuits at the 10nm node and test structures at 7nm. If past history is any guide that puts test-production of functional main-stream use (eg CPU/GPU) 10nm chips at least 2 years out and 7nm as huge???
edit: looks like the past few months have been a surprise for 10nm node!

I thought Samsung foundry just started to ship mass produced 10nm FF processors in the new S8's.  I remember reading about there advanced 3D transistor structure and big efficiency gains (like 30% better at 40% less power or so).  I hate going OT like this, especially since I think you're still 100% right, it doesn't really make any kind of sense to think miners are getting 10nm chips or magnitudes of better efficiency very soon.

I know of a 62-year-old woman residing in California that would disagree with you to your face if by happenstance she ever answers her door again.

No one is even close to shipping production sub-14nm chips. See edit. a big Hmm here...
Engineering samples of test circuits to begin characterizing what to expect from them -- maybe. After the almost-there for a couple years hopes the 16/14nm showed (and even though in now production are still producing horrible yields) most industry pundits still put any 10nm production from even Intel/IBM to be early next year. Even then they still follow that with - maybe.

Edit: Just did a search on Samsung and turned up https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/02/samsungs-got-a-new-10nm-octa-core-chip-with-gigabit-lte-for-flagship-phones/
And from March, http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1331504
https://www.xda-developers.com/intel-claims-next-chip-generation-ahead-samsung/

wtf? There has been NO mention about that kind of progress in the IEEE Spectrum feeds I get. Those cover beyond-bleeding-edge tech and last I read 10nm was still in test-mode so this bears looking into...

The specifications are unbelievable and I mean really unbelievable. I do not think that this is legit. It has been posted multiple times before, but more opinions are of course always better.

After going to brenda's address for the second time and her not answering the door I left a note. Here a week later I get a voicemail from her, here it is:

https://clyp.it/2ina4pj3

So I guess right after the scam is outed and people sent her thousands of dollars (I have a guy who told me he lost 25k) she "no longer has time for this"

She also won't return my phone calls.

Looks like Channel 4 was met with the same response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFEoMO0pc7k

You liked that, eh?  :-*

Almost like a Rick Roll  :D

Hadn't noticed this horseshit til today....

18. WHEN WILL THE PRODUCT BE SHIPPED?
We will arrange the shipment within 12-24 hours after full payment, you will receive it within 3-5 working days, except for pre-sale orders.
When the product has shipped we will email you with the shipping details and invoice.

Can't wait to see the "secondary" interpretation of the red...

https://foxminers.com/faq/


https://shop.bitmain.com/workOrderGuide.htm


It saddens be to learn that Bitmain Technologies is stealing FoxMiners's copy.  :'( :'( :'(

Publish your customer service policies like that.  Puhlease.  Don't take a PR genius to make the published negative perception on customer service as minimal as possible.  Some of that can happen with no fault by user.  I've had companies replace busted products where cause is indeterminate, both as high valued customer and first time purchaser.  Goodwill is all in customer service!

We need to keep this post alive! SCAM SCAM SCAM

What do you think now? When will the new miners be out with 10nm chips?

Kinda noobie question, I'm still on board with SCAM SCAM SCAM but I don't follow processor dev for years, and I claim no EE,  I think I get the basics of tough miniaturization issue advances on these chips at a high level.  But gen purpose Intel CPU changes sockets about every fucking 15 minutes <sarcasm> when they release a new chip\series\generation whatever.  Excluding I'm guessing slower signal travel, higher cost, higher power consumption, mo heat, etc, due to more transistors\etc are there other reasons why can't just release a slightly bigger chip with new socket?.  They are dinky ass chips already to this guy that hasn't been in a serious computer airlocked thumbprint lock room in 15 years. Paradigm shift near miracle in microcode advance is the only other thing I can guess, but I've looked at a bunch of crypto code that seems to my eye to have the slow computation in manual optimized assembler already and uses the on chip crypto code. If anybody can help me understand why those are general reasons or not for skepticism other than all the published documentation red flags on this miner it would help me understand the 'physics' comments much better.  Back in the day it was just cpu bound or i\o bound, and with many of the crypto functions on later Intel chips I have a hard time buying I\O bound for sure.  I get 'memory hard' on L3 cache with cryptonote and such very well, but with Bitcoin and Litecoin I just can't quite get why you folks more knowledgeable of ASIC and\or CPU chip architecture can see this as a big scam so easily.  Can somebody please explain the'why' basics of the believed impossibility to me a bit better? :)  I've tried reading hardcore EE stuff but don't know enough to parse it.

Giassyass in advance.

Simple...if it sounds too good to be true,it most always is...  ;)

Power consumption & hashrates were way beyond anything available ATM sooooooo.....................

FB site https://www.facebook.com/Scam-waring-Foxminer-121513041746669/
sprat this scam

That is a lot harder question than you may think as there are several layers to it... For one, no one else has anything approaching what they claim. The world of crypto ASIC design is very very small and frankly no one does anything without the others working along the same lines and being rather vocal about it. Since when it comes to the Next Wonder Miner all we hear from real makers is crickets, well....

On the physical construction and layout of an ASIC I have to defer to a member here with the handle 2112 who is/was an instructor in chip design. You might want to PM them about it. A couple papers on 16/14nm tech http://www.techdesignforums.com/practice/guides/14nm-16nm-processes/ and from 2013 http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1280773 Somewhere I have several papers from Mentor Graphics on their toolchains for those nodes...

As far as 7nm goes, this is that last I have come across https://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2015/07/ibm-unveils-industrys-first-7nm-chip-moving-beyond-silicon/ Do note that 'chip' is referring to an assemblage of functional test structures - not a usable logic chip.

To me the core <yes, pun> issue is, how many cores will fit in a chip? Unlike CPU's, crypto ASICS are extremely simple beasts. Each has serial coms, a smattering of working memory, and a buttload of hard-wired SHA logic cores. Whereas a CPU contains many different circuits for several kinds of IO, along with cache and math, together with the actual few to handful of CPU cores. The latest Intel Xeon has what, 12 physical cores in it? As I recall, Bitmains BM1387 chip used in the R4, s9 and T9 have 250 cores in them, the s9 uses 189 of those chips. In a way GPU chips are similar (high core count) but rather like FPGA their operations can be changed via programming but that ability again leads to speed and power penalties.

Since Bitmain has not released a data sheet for that chip, here is the specs for their last 28nm chip used in the S7 miner https://shop.bitmain.com/files/download/BM1385_Datasheet_v2.0.pdf to poke through. Much of it should still apply to their current 16nm chip

That simplicity does have a down side: Power density. Miner design moved away from large monolithic chips because it is very difficult to power and cool a chip which size-wise *could* these days hold several thousand cores and dissipate >1,000 watts. The BFL Monarch, Hashfast Minion, and a few other failures come to mind...

On the software end, it becomes fuzzier. There 2 things come into play, Stratum which works with the pools to create work and the miner software itself. Stratum docs https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557866.0

For the miner software, talk to -ck since he wrote cgminer which is what almost all miners use. Considering even the latest miners can run on a single RasPi-3 front-end that rather says then and there that optimizing code (even more as it *is* rather mature) will have little impact.

As for the Samsung 10nm processor: Read into the link and the one from Intel. To claim the 1st-to-market moniker the Samsung is kind of a cheater: Yes the gates are around 10nm but the metalization (connections) are the same 22nm they use with their 14nm chips. Intel tends to shoot for doing the entire process smaller - not just the gates.

*Could* Bitmain be working with TSMC to make a 12nm mining ASIC? (With the same 22nm metal layers they use in their 16nm FinFET's). Sure. When it comes to boutique chips like mining ASICS Bitmain is the one company that certainly has resources to pay for it. But makes no economic sense to me for them to do it: Their BM1387 is king of the hill with no competitors and after the beating the entire industry took finally getting 16/14nm to the consumer market coupled with the still-erratic chip-to-chip performance headaches they (and Avalon, and BitFury) have to deal with there is just-no-point to do it at this time. Even if they did, there is still the problem of boutique chips being last in line for the Foundry production priorities. Just as is still the case with 16nm chips first come the folks who financed ALL of the research involved eg, Apple, AMD, Cisco, Broadcom, et al.

Thanks for the detailed reply NotFuzzyWarm.  I don't want to dig much deeper, this old dog just flat didn't think about the multiple cpu\core overhead at all from a hardware design perspective.  But I can certainly observe it in practice for myself when I run too many threads mining on my x-way machines, and I observed it in practice too on the high dollar midranges in my software career.  Never intentionally run a conventional general purpose machine at 100%, even if it's all your resource to use, cause you will lose performance overall, even if you have tons of memory, you're gonna swap.  The different algorithms do have some different limiting factors, but you gotta leave some cpu free to account for that.  Performance generally decreases if you don't use n-1 threads against cores.  Bunch of cpus with buncha cores, that performance penalty would seem to increase the more cpus\cores you jammed in.  

In general software performance, my favorite zen answer for folks wanting to increase performance and asking me how was 'access less data'.  That would almost never work in this crypticverse if your code is very tight already, pretty much foiled by required algorithm work.  I studied Cryptonight and Wolf0's Monero code for cpu mining for quite a while before understanding I was never gonna get more than a ~2% performance increase with software changes, the only way I even got ~2% was native compiles with an optimization flag.

I get it good enough now, I don't want or need to understand it top to bottom.  Perfect is the enemy of good.   :)

Maybe now that I'm a Jr member or whatever I can embed my joke picture from a couple weeks ago.

Mining on a phone.

https://i.imgur.com/FhRz1pq.jpg

Cute: Looks like an old s1 without the RiPi on it ;)
Don't know if you caught the edit I did: As far as 7nm goes, this is that last I have come across https://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2015/07/ibm-unveils-industrys-first-7nm-chip-moving-beyond-silicon/ Do note that 'chip' is referring to an assemblage of functional test structures - not a usable logic chip. Again, is a couple years old but things have been very quiet in terms of news released by the Foundries.

Has several good links in it to other articles about wassusp

You may not like my answer, but I will be short and frank.

The primary reason has of your inability to understand has nothing to do with old age, not following the recent trends, etc.

You've simply received a horrible education and know nothing about the digital technology advances from made in the middle of 1950 decade.

You seem to only be aware of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_architecture first published in 1945 and you seem to try to translate everything into it, even if clearly the implementation uses different conceptual model. Bitcoin mining is a perfect example of problem better handled by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mealy_machine (from 1955) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore_machine (from 1956). Any discussion involving concepts like: caches, branches, CPU, I/O, threads, cores, etc. only shows that the person writing it doesn't know the technological advances from the middle of the previous century. In my school these are discussed in the 2nd or 3rd semester of education, literally during couple of of first lectures in the digital logic design (both theory and lab practice)

The primary advances in the power efficiency of the Bitcoin miner were:

1) to implement it as fixed program Moore machine on an FPGA. The FPGA device is itself reprogrammable, so it is still wasteful
2) to have the same fixed program Moore machine implemented without the waste of supporting reprogramming and take advantage of the fact that Bitcoin's 2*SHA256 is essentially self-testing, so even the standard chip-testing circuitry is not required.

Personally, I see no point of discussing advanced electrical engineering stuff without understanding of the basics.

When I was in school it was a common understanding that students with absolutely no contact with any computer are doing noticeably better than students who gained experience of computers via some horrible "home computers" programmed in BASIC with plentitude of GOTOs. There was this seminal paper "GOTO Considered Harmful" written in 1968 by Edseger Dijkstra and published same year by the Communications of the ACM.

I presume that you (and other otherwise educated people) suffer from some version of the above problem: lack of proper basic education in computer architecture. Sometimes I wonder how those people graduated with any real degree (not from a degree mill). But then I have to remind myself that nowadays there are plenty of accredited, real "humanistic/psychological/human-oriented" educational institutions that do grant real degrees.

 For Global Foundrys, there is also the "by terms of contract" amount of their foundry capacity that IBM and AMD have first call on, dating back to when IBM and AMD spun off their foundry operations into what became Global Foundrys.
IBM and AMD have absolute first call on a certain amount of foundry capacity (they also have a REQUIREMENT to use a certain amount of capacity as a minimum) that GF can NOT avoid without incurring some rather large contractual penalties (I believe there is an "acts of god" provision in those contracts however).

And that ^^ being right to the main point of why no 'new' way to hash faster is going to be seen soon is why I deferred to 2112. Only so many ways to skin a cat in hardware when it serves one and only one purpose.

I am not involved in the architecture design and strictly follow the node-size tech eg physical construction of the gates vs implementing actual circuits to explains 'why's' as part of the voodoo I do. My part comes in making it possible to efficiently pull the heat from the dies, Specifically making the systems that micro-machine vias into ceramic interposer/heat spreaders the dies get attached to as part of their packaging to become 'chips'.

Sure you can shrink gate sizes to pack more gates in. CPU, phone baseband chips, network fabric switches and such have the luxury of a bigger physical die size footprint to accommodate the plethora of connections also resulting in lower power-density from more area to spread out the heat/attach heat sink or other thermal route to. Mining ASICS -- sure can fit in more cores but methinks they are already at the point of diminishing return for packing density vs power needed to feed the die. That is why these are so bloody hot. With the BM1387 chips reporting die temps of 95C to 110C as 'normal, God knows what the real junction temps are.

I avoid this type of argumentation (back-end, physical) not because it is inherently bad. I avoid it because historically in the Bitcoin milieu most bullshit was using this type of argumentation. Some of it was intentional, profit-motivated bullshit meant to deceive. Some of it was plain dumbassery and fanboism with no actual ill intentions, just mostly lack of introspection and inquisitiveness. The profit-motivated bullshit has now shifted to other crypto-coins with various discussions of "ASIC-proof", "memory-hard", "branch-heavy" and other post-Bitcoin bullshit.

The reality of year 2017 is that it takes about $99 (for Digilent Arty FPGA experimenter board) and about month's worth of free evenings to learn and understand all the requited basics of crypto-coin mining. For Bitcoin the heydays of profitable FPGA mining are over, but all the technical concepts are still valid. All the required software (and knowledge) are either open-source or available for free from the FPGA vendor under chip-lock license. It clearly isn't a replacement for a full graduate degree in a related engineering discipline. But it is more than sufficient to quickly and clearly recognize bullshitters posting here and in other venues.

Well SCAM SCAM SCAM Foxminers SCAM SCAM SCAM have 3 days left then the presale is over

Don't mind MOST OF your reply much, actually.  No, I didn't have a horrible education, I opted out of CS in engineering school because I was cognizant that I was hitting a wall in hard engineering and wasn't trying hard enough in digital design, physics, calculus, etc, too busy having fun, and I had no $.  Reality check, almost everyone does hit a wall at some point where they realize they are just faking it if they continue to try to advance, learning how to do it pretty well but have stopped total comprehension.  

Did a different career for 5 years, went back and did CS business degree and had a very successful career in business software dev.  I pretty much quit giving a crap about hardware while mainframe programming for 13 years, because I was riding the fastest horse in the hardware world then, hardware not by me, but smokin hot MVS with serious capacity hardware for a many billions company and I focused on delivering high quality for my end users, and that went really well as I could actually communicate with them and deliver quickly and on target and with a low margin of error without 5 intermediaries like today's email writer management layers of bullshit overhead.

If ya saw no point, why did you reply? Did you read all my posts, or was it just time to be a dick to the new guy?

Ah! Greetings retired IBM-fanboi! In the IBM-universe I'm not a big MVS fan, I'm was more into running multiple copies of MFT or CMS under VM/370.

Let me start from the last paragraph. The reason I'm writing and responding to you is standard one for me: I know that for 1 poster here there are at least 10 readers who will read yours and mine posts with understanding. So when I'm personally addressing you (delicopsch56) it is more of a rhetorical device to address the plurality of you (named and unnamed readers of this thread).

In particular I'm writing for the benefit of young readers, who are still ahead in their life. They can still use their school time to "learn", not to "have fun". They can still avoid having "successful career" where maintaining employment was only possible with the help of regularly obliterating their own brain with alcohol (or other addictive substances or behaviors). I used to work in the entertainment industry and I can immediately recognize a bitter burnout. I've been on the meetings where people would small-talk about addiction rehab facilities like most of the employed people discuss vacation destinations.

There isn't much technical and mining-related to address in your reply. You've however very clearly and beautifully underlined the perils of technical fanboism. Most of the technical forums have fanboi discussion threads like Intel vs. AMD, ATI vs. NVidia, etc. delicopsch56 is an example of a dinosaur fanboi, from the days when various IBM-designed machines were bought under the assumption of "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM". IBM may even had "fastest horse" trophy for awhile, they still sell them under "z/Arch" moniker, but lots of people got fired for continuing to "buy IBM" where different, better, cheaper, faster solutions were available.

The simplest, easiest way to avoid burnout and being perpetually perplexed is to keep your mind open. Even if you don't have time or money to pursue a formal degree you can still greatly benefit from clicking around the "See Also" links in Wikipedia. And when you choose to "have fun", choose the activities that do as little as possible damage to your brain.

I want to personally "thank you" to all those people who gave the similar advice when I was young student in school. You most likely won't read it. All I can do repay it is to repeat it in an updated way, with modifications to match the changed technological landscape.

Great point, not just about me.  To clarify I burnt out on CORPORATE IT.  I still love IT, but the corporate part was trying to kill that love, and my soul (or whatever)  Not really bitter, in 20/20 hindsight quitting jobs have been my best decisions ever.  I contracted for a while, and that was mostly great, but 2008 financial mess came along and I no longer had my pick of companies\jobs.  But life is change.

I'm not really a fanboi on anything, generally not an early adopter.  I like stuff that works, makes sense, has very few release bugs, and doesn't break easily.  Best tool for the job is my general strategy when I get to make the choice.

I did enjoy MVS, very much, but in hindsight the coolest thing to me about it was when they went OS/390, Z/OS, whatever with it, I don't remember how they did it exactly, but it impressed me.  I was busy working, but didn't have to change a thing, and like flipping on a light switch you could be in unix land if ya wanted.

Certainly some of the engineering school issues were my fault, but at that time they were just busy trying to push engineering cs people out the door due to high demand, and by the time I was done with my Bachelors business CS degree I realized the way that said education structure was structured prerequisite-wise didn't fit my learning style for sure (either track).  

IMO with the hindsight again they should teach Boolean logic in high school.  It ain't just for tech.  

Some days my mind is so open I don't get a thing done, prioritization is a must. :)

Thanks for the reply.

***  Foxminers LLC is a SCAM! If someone buys their miners without a well-known and trusted Forum User 1st getting one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***Since sorta walking down memory lane but at least keeping this SCAM thread at the top for the perps to fret over, what the heck. If it costs them losing even 1 sale it is worth it. There. It's on-topic again :D

2112 you hit on soooo many good points. If you catch my other posts in other threads ya may have noticed I take the 'Teach a person to fish' approach to answering questions. LEARN folks! Don't just raise yer hand to get one specific answer, learn the why and ta-dum! things start to connect..

Again my profession isn't CS, since 1977 it has been design/application of industrial lasers. To me computers are just tools. Und damn we have come a long way from paper tape NC controls with literally relay based ladder logic...

The how/why knowledge of semiconductors themselves well, as a kid in late 50's was building vacuum tube toys and literally grew up tinkering with discrete transistors ect,, led to enlisting in the Air Force (dinna want to be drafted so choosing a service best option) > long haul microwave, ended up in the 1839 E&I Group out of Keesler AFB installing the gear for com sites- I tell ya, a tropo site is something to behold. Also most often on a tiny island in the middle of nowhere... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropospheric_scatter No large use of satellites back then. While in the military, got BS EE for the heck of it.

Out of the military -- moved up the spectrum into lasers and been there ever since. Only burnout was 2 years of 80hr weeks doing field service at my 1st company Photon Sources (now Lumonics). My instant 'In" with them was the multi-kw microwave power background and um, I had build a dye laser in Jr. high school. Another engineer there was tired of it as well so we started SLI http://www.synchronlaser.com/ and will be there until I die. When you love what you do it isn't work!

The laser biz is my link to wassup in the chip manufacturing world and a helluva lot of other industries. Pure how to make things. Comes with the turf: With bleeding-edge products intended to leapfrog how-things-are-done-today, the customer does not exactly know what they need for producing them, only what they want to produce. Guess who gets to figure out how to do it since no no one else has yet done it outside of a lab... 1st step - understanding to the nth detail what they make that requires - unique solutions -- vs off-the shelf so I can have a handle on how my systems may affect the desired result. For power chips it may only be an interposer/heat spreader but the dies care a great deal about their interface to it so understanding their construction is mandatory.

Damn this thread goes a'wandering...

Yeppers, but walking down memory lane is a nice way to quickly figure out if you are talking to children or not on the intertube, especially when anonymity is in play.  Important if you aren't just goofing around, but really want to get a read on something you don't consider yourself knowledgeable about to make an educated guess.

Forums are a good way to get better consensus on what to look at if you need to dig deeper, once you look at posters rep various ways and actually read stuff.
Part of the teaching yourself to fish process for me.  

When you believe you don't know enough to make your own guess in a vacuum, googling always produces the same answers to your question, YES and NO.

Just went through the same process on a herbicide question the other day, a dishwasher soap question a while back, I could probably list for years.  Those were easier because they weren't as complex or controversial or related to large sums of wealth\poverty for me, and the tube is not quite as filled with herbicide and soap trolls.

I don't need to flowchart that easier stuff to make a decision, which I can usually hit in 5-10 minutes, I just google and do it in my head.  I have to flowchart and document more complex and higher importance things just for myself sometimes.  My crypto trading\withdrawal\hedge\long hodl\short hodl\strategy activities are still on a giant pile of scribblies atm but has to happen soon.  That's about prioritization really, my list of high importance stuff is quite long right now, so I round robin through everything so nothing busts completely while I focus on one thing to the end.  But my crypto trading documentation has to get all pretty enough for my wife to follow soon or she will probably kill me.  She sees a bunch of money moving around in many accounts once a week when she does our books, and answering 50 why questions from her every Saturday is getting tiresome for both of us.

Everything leads back to trust.  My big mistake here was just opening my trap too soon without rep.  I do that sometimes just like I speak before thinking sometimes.  Not often, but it happens.

I just got a funny surprise, the guy that encouraged me to buy my first bitcoin hasn't logged in here since 2014, and I can't raise him on other channels though I've been trying for months.  At least I got a thirdhand confirm he isn't dead.  I suspect he's just gone deep and quiet, he was pretty early in and is probably just enjoying his private island.

Foxminers is a SCAM SCAM SCAM.

I live in Egypt and saw the add back then on coingecko.com with the added disclaimer
went to their site bought one just to see the payment methods page and guess what only bitcoin or litecoin, closed my laptop and went to sleep just to wake up again on an INTERNATIONAL CALL from them asking me to complete the payment << Who does that ?!! >>
He was definitely an African American guy with a gangsters ghetto way of talking (I'm Not a racist, I'm just profiling)
Hope i helped.

I was looking at several new types of aggregators today for easier research.  Check it out.  https://foxminers.com.cutestat.com/  Note there is a comment box.  I'm tired or I would have left the first one, going to bed.

Interesting that their site is hosted in Quebec and they use a name server located in France. Trying to make it harder for US law enforcement to seize their records? That is assuming the Authorities somewhere ever goes after them.

Looks like they change their btc adress every few days. Luckily the new one haven't received anything https://blockchain.info/address/1GgxKViZqPZtSeZpRQz24W18qCwNiP8T3v (https://blockchain.info/address/1GgxKViZqPZtSeZpRQz24W18qCwNiP8T3v)

So the presale for foxminers is over. They must start sending the miners now.  SCAM SCAM SCAM

Yeah, I'm done posting any more analysis, could be just helping them learn.

The scam seems to work.

http://www.wallstreet-online.de/nachricht/9538489-foxminers-has-crossed-the-20-million-mark-pre-order-for-its-f24-and-f48-miners

***  Foxminers LLC is a SCAM! If someone buys their miners without a well-known and trusted Forum User 1st getting one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***
No, that is a PAID-FOR PR release. Not to mention an old one...
I highly doubt that they have taken in anything remotely close to that from suckers who may fall for this SCAM.

Very few internet 'news outlets' actually verify anything anymore and at least in the crypto-coin world most never ever have. Pay them the $40 and they will print anything as 'news'.

Guys, fear not this miner.

Apparently, you can buy one for any amount you want. Here's a sample link if you proceed to purchase:

https://foxminers.com/payment/?product=Rack%20F48%20x%205&price=22500.00&quantity=1&discount=90&email=shit@yourass.shit


Note that the price (=22500.00) and discount (=0) are all plain text :P WOW GIFT!

So if you change the url to use, say 2.00 for price, um, you can buy it for $2, that's what you pay for your coffee plus donut every freaking morning!

Not satisfied?! Give your self a discount, say 90 (%), ok you can have it now for $0.2.

Want more fun?

how about F5 ten times so our dear fox supplier gets 10 orders to work on ;D

***  Foxminers LLC is a SCAM! If someone buys their miners without a well-known and trusted Forum User 1st getting hold of one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***
Don't know how I missed this:
https://news.bitcoin.com/alleged-mining-manufacturer-foxminers-accused-scam/
May 1st. Good Article.

EDIT: In light of the WannaCry worm, even though so far it can only hit XP systems I must STRONGLY SUGGEST that when visiting scam or possible scam sites:
A) Close your browser and reopen it in Private Mode. Be sure that your Private Mode does not allow saving data/cookies/anything!
B) TURN OFF all Java/Active-X functions
C) TURN OFF Flash
D) TURN OFF all animation
When done of course clear all History's, cookies, etc. before closing the Private browser.

So far all initial infections have been on XP systems that visited a hacked website. As part of the 'normal' website activities allowed by XP and Active-X, the worm was let in.

I published your article on the FB page
https://www.facebook.com/Scam-waring-Foxminer-121513041746669/
hope this is okay for you.
On my requests when the withdrawal of the ordered and paid Miner starts I get for days no more answer.
I reporting to the police last week.
If someone still has tips what you can still do, please also write on the Fb page https://www.facebook.com/Scam-waring-Foxminer-121513041746669/

actually any windows os (xp, vista, 8.x, 7 not sure about 10) can get hit if they are not patched. ms patched it in march but we all know how well typical users patch stuff up ::)

If i say no would you remove it from fb?

The SCAM is still going strong: http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170516005702/en/FoxMiners-Pre-order-Period-Closes-Units-Ready-Delivery (http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170516005702/en/FoxMiners-Pre-order-Period-Closes-Units-Ready-Delivery)

I sent an E-Mail to the person that wrote the story referencing this thread.

And they're comedians, too!!

According to Mike Harish, “Specifically, the units deliver 75TH/s mining power from an electricity consumption of 1500W. The energy efficiency is improved further by the chips being endothermic-they absorb energy heat from the surrounding rather than give it off.”

Endothermic IC's!!  ROFLMAO!!  This should have been an April 1st release...

***  Foxminers LLC is a SCAM! If someone buys their miners without any well-known and trusted Forum Users 1st getting hold of one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***

Rut-ro! Better keep them away from my s9/t9's or they will absorb all the heat and go China-syndrome on us! Oh wait -- I bet the thermal energy then travels into a quantum singularity in the center of each chip to emerge in another dimension.
Yeah. Thass it!

Apparently their minds have taken a total break from reality....

https://i.imgur.com/wQBwAhA.jpg

                 :D ;D :D ;D :D


Worse yet,you know someone will be bragging on how that could be real  :D

exothermic units in the winter, endothermic units in the summer. BRILLIANT!

or set then face to face and let them fight each other.

/s

ROFL, what a revolution in BTC mining :D  ... do the endotermic version needs to be pluged in socket at all? Why don't just leave it on the red hot roof to get the energy from the sun.
Any other revolutinary news? I think the only missing is golden flakes flying off the air outlets while mining (and silver ones when in standby).

It's doesn't need electric, it runs on unicorn farts!!

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/foxminers-rife-scam-allegations/amp/ 

maybe they're using di-lithium crystals, anti matter, or some kind of cloaking device??

I wonder if it was our very own Master Bates.

Finally hit my google alert

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170516005702/en/FoxMiners-Pre-order-Period-Closes-Units-Ready-Delivery


There goes the myth! There's more than one Investard born every minute.

Found him! Follow the link following the pic: https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=Mike+Harish&init=public


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwTZ2xpQwpA

Bonus vid saved for July: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBdFA6sI6-8

Fuck you Gleb, dontcher want a miner that can air condition your house and make yer lektrik meter run backards ?   :)  LOL. 

I'm not even gonna say what I know this violates, delusional piece of shit, he's gonna put himself in the pen somehow now.  I was glad to see the SEO relevance hit finally, it is a very basic daily search.  I only scan the headlines of top 30.

Is 'studied at' synonymous with flunked out?  I love it when people say they are gonna sue me.  Meet ya at the courthouse, moron.

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Waybacked at https://web.archive.org/web/20170520231534/https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/foxminers-rife-scam-allegations/amp/

Using the following press release as an example -> https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2017/04/20/962830/0/en/Foxminers-Launches-Revolutionary-Mining-Chip.html, you know what I like about it?

This:


Thanks to KYC laws et al., Karen's gonna have mega explaining to do if she doesn't have proper vitals of the chief principal behind FoxMiners when it goes south, given that she continued to blast PRs after made aware of FM most likely being a nefarious actor in this space.

For all we know, the nym Mike Harish is a member of ISIS and is using the moneys from bogus purchases so to blow something up. Think about it! Twenty million dollars buys a lot of endothermic blasting caps.

There's a disturbing lack of KYC\AML memes.  I don't always get pissed off when no one's done my work for me, but....

Check out this guy:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=105744

that question mark in the thread title wtf? it should be an exclamation point ferchrissakes! (fixed)

Drunk sentence logic profiling complete, Gleb.  All signs point to yes.

Meet Mr. FoxMiner: https://twitter.com/drgreenpower

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/dimon-kendrick-holmes/article96804922.html

Does this go well

I do not think so.

***  Foxminers LLC is a SCAM! If someone buys their miners without any well-known and trusted Forum Users 1st getting hold of one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***

Well, Monday is here so Foxminers: Where are the Miracle Miners you said would be shipping today eh?  <crickets>
They have however issued another press release today: http://www.einpresswire.com/article/382472489/foxminers-cryptocurrency-mining-rigs-ready-for-delivery

Wayback location https://web.archive.org/web/20170522143551/http://www.einpresswire.com/article/382472489/foxminers-cryptocurrency-mining-rigs-ready-for-delivery

Did you guys miss this??

"FoxMiners has designed the chips with SHA-256 and Scrypt algorithms. Therefore they can mine both Bitcoin and Litecoin. In future, the company plans to design chips for x11 as well."

These guys are genius's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe Obama will give them his Nobel Prize for being so helpful decentralizing Bitcoin & LTC & X coins!!!! ;)

global warming/climate change? SOLVED.

genius i tell ya, genius!!

***  Foxminers LLC is a SCAM! If someone buys their miners without any well-known and trusted Forum Users 1st getting hold of one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***

Well since they do not care about blatantly breaking Copyright laws and outright lying about them inventing this Unicorn in 2017 despite ample hard proof of this being a rip-off of the SFARADS chip circa 2015, why should they care about breaking one of the laws of Thermodynamics? ;)

Will it be referred to as Shooter x11 2.0? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373678.0

You mean teh third law, of course.  Crystals powah.

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/wwfeatures/wm/live/624_351/images/live/p0/2v/bl/p02vblm1.jpg

Crystal Power Miners is saved for FoxMiners' cloud mining venture, soon to be accepting pre-orders where only repeat customers can employ the wire transfer method for payment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziglw2mXbS8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziglw2mXbS8)

-Dave

Foxminers video at :49 mark -> https://vimeo.com/212613185

Stock footage -> https://www.videoblocks.com/video/it-technician-works-in-computer-server-room/

And that's how you supposedly pre-sell U$20M worth of vaporware.

My next piece of evidence is probably a stretch, but I'll present it anyway.


http://www.istockphoto.com/my/photo/computer-chip-gm177252639-19494004


Mr. Getty Images is proud to announce his iStockMiners capable of mining Bitcoin and LiteCoin simultaneously, and the miners don't put off any heat while using minimal electricity. In fact, if it weren't for the over 100 needed capacitors, iStockMiners wouldn't require any electricity from the wall once the units fire up.

Mr. Images said that his company already sold over ten million dollars worth of miners and they've yet to pen their first press release. "I think we have an employee who violated our NDA, hence having all the interest to date," said Mr. Images.

When pressed to reveal the location of iStockMiners' plant, Mr. Images said that he may do such in the future, unwilling to provide the info now due to the still uncertainties of cryptos in certain markets. We fully understand and Respecto-rama-dama-ding-dung their stance.

Wow,down the rabbit hole folks!! Freakin amazing how little work was required to set this whole scam up................  :(

Mike of FoxMiners must have the sorest asshole in all of Cryptoland, given that's where he sourced all them press releases that don't amount to a hill of beans.

I'd like to thank this forum and the many posters who contributed to this topic.
I was actually thinking of wrangling the money for this, cause at 375 TH/s with all the calculations I've made it looked like some easy ROI.

So the good news is, I won't get scammed.
The bad news, hehe I won't profit either.

Real shame...

Glad that I didn't ignore my gut instinct and decided to research this supplier as best as I could.

Over $20M worth of FoxMiners sold and not a single person who purchased one has come forth to brag about their super-duper money machine. Fuckin amazing!

They are too busy mining unicorn turds!!!

I got 3 of em!!! I ain't telling you scumbags anything!!!!!

I'll be a BILLIONAIRE in a month!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  8) ;) ;D

At least tell us what pool you're using in making all that green.

Damnit,you found the pool I'm mining in!!!!!! You fokker you!!!!!  :D ;D :D ;D

***  Foxminers LLC is a SCAM! If someone buys their miners without any well-known and trusted Forum Users 1st getting hold of one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***
Well then score 1 confirmed scam order killed for us :)
Und sounds like it was a big fish they lost ta' boot :D
Given ^^ then look at this way -- you DID profit by ~$22k by not dumping that money into the very gross and smelly toilet called Foxminers LLC ;)

Yes, Mike, you forgot to mention that the dude behind FoxMiners is named Mike. And why did you remove the link to your site from your profile page? -> https://www.blogger.com/profile/16087535592842663955

ref. https://web.archive.org/web/20130306224200/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=27014

It is worth reading the whole forum!
You can save a lot of money !!!
Just why I've just seen it !!!

Thanks guys

Any new news? Why is the website still up? Is it that easy? SCAM SCAM SCAM

Rumor has it that those keen enough to buy U$20M worth of FoxMiners have been making big money and are too busy spending it, thus don't have time to report back to this thread to post a positive review. GOD BLESS THEM!

Website still up.  ??? :o :-\

Looks like in America you can do what you want

If it has to do with Bitcoin.....yep....that applies to ANYWHERE,not just Merica  ;)

This is one reason why Bitcoin will not make it to the public...no refunds or any kind of protection...

I'll stick with my Paypal for purchases thank you!!!!!  :D

Shame they still operates and they have 41k income in their wallet adress...

Thanks to you guys and themerkle!

Found you and themerkle articles when I was looking up foxminers on Google. First I Found the endotherm article. 😄
All the scams in the last months and years with all those coins or mining Equipment leads in most cases to bulgaria and romania, I think there is a possibility of a connection. I made it a Hobby to collect all the information and read every article, comment and forumthread. That's why it hits me now about those countries, I read it over and over again. Best example onecoin.

OneCoin is so yesterday. In vogue today is EthTrade-cum-Ethereum Plus.

Thanks for you work
i have a fb side https://www.facebook.com/Scam-waring-Foxminer-121513041746669/?modal=composer&notif_t=page_fan_growth_drop&notif_id=1503857387042833
please what you found out.
I'm still getting inquiries

Thank god my dad showed us street smarts. I stumbled upon foxminers looking for litecoin miners and i was like holy crap! Then i was like holy crap they have them in stock! Next i emailed them to ask for electrical specs which i found unbelievable for a 1500 watt psu driving a whole rack of these. I even asked myself why are these guys even bothering selling these things. You would make more money just running them at your house. After i emailed them, which im still waiting for a reply, i started calming down and was like wait things like this dont happen to me? Crazy efficient miners that are in stock and i stumbled upon this?! my blood pressure went from 190/110 back down to my normal 120/70. Did some searching, found this thread and now i know my claims that god has made me his comic relief is true.

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Glad to hear they lost another 'sale'. :D

Sooner or latter Karma will come around to these folks and when it does....http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/horror/throat-slash-smiley-emoticon.gif (http://www.sherv.net/)

I'm from Bulgaria. And that's the reality here. Everyone is thinking about some kind of "dalavera" . That means doing anything to make some profit no matter legal or illegal way. And we are also very creative at it. And at the end that is why nothing is working properly in our f*cked up country.

everyone should read the latest ASIC tech and then u can decide which in true selling or just a fake fcuk scam website

100 % Scam please do not believe it

woww 35TH Bitcoin miner OR 1GB Scrypt!!!!!!!!! LOL

***  Foxminers LLC is a SCAM! If someone pays for their non-existent their miners without any well-known and trusted Forum Users 1st getting hold of one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***
Bump since it seems there are still a lot of idjits out there who do not know how to Search...

ı think about Foxminer is really scam because i can't see any users or pictures and videos.

It's confirmed scam.
Read through this topic. Guys called and even visited the lady who suppose to be their contact.
It was very funy (ain't nobody got time for that ...  :D  hilarious)